ITT: we meditate
What is the point of meditation? I've never felt anything but boredom while meditating.
>>82947182when it works you actually feel like a completely different personrefreshed
>>82947137sensation-watching and other self-hypnosis is not right meditation.
brother wojak, you missed my fight
>>82947137>>82947182I meditate every night. 20 Mins of me (mostly) focusing on my breathing and chakras, or 'praying' to the Monad. Toward the end of my sessions, I seem to start a 'dream' session I didn't intend, living out a story that seems to have generated on its own. It's weird.
>>82947237symptoms of self-hypnosis, not meditation.
>>82947182I don't believe in any spiritual stuff but sitting still and doing nothing is useful for getting over the addiction to overstimulation that comes with being on the internet all the time. If you sit with the boredom until you can accept it and feel okay doing nothing, it frees up your mind a bit from that constant need to scroll and refresh and consume content.
>>82947213Share with us some wisdom, bhante anon.
>>82947137we dont buy
>>82947182When I meditate my life is better in just about any way I can imagine, but I dont want to force something on you that you dont want.Boredom is more akin to distractions, and meditation is trying to minimize distractions in most cases
>>82947137im going to ask the local monasteries if i can attend or do a temple stay idk if i email or just show up or what
>>82947253I don't spend all that much time consooming internet slop, and I've never had problems with attention or focus. >>82947287I've kept up a meditation habit for months at a time, but never noticed any effects on my life at all.
>>82947254being head-strong and disagreeable is underrated in buddhist circles.meditation is cultivation of discernment of what is unwholesome and the natural resulting dispassion, aka sense restraint, aka sila. then there's various results of this (downflow from purification of virtue) and some study and contemplation needed to course-correct small initial misunderstandings.the correct object of contemplation is self-inquiry and particularly the topics, "what is right view? do I strive for it or do I not strive to become a member of the arya sangha? if I want it, how would I attain it?" etc.. this is the minimum to be a lay follower in sutta terms, of course to be a buddhist "by the book" you need to study the suttas too and not just go off my micro summary + eating one the less cookie each week, it's not "set and forget" but about self-transparency and vigilance, about not growing complacent and not accepting less than a good-enough understanding.good enough for what, a good enough to not be afflicted with suffering by any less-than-satisfactory sensation.
>>82947446Thank you, bhante anon. It took me a while to understand. What is the nature of the satisfactory sensation? What is it like and by what traits can one identify it?
>>82947137>be me>meditate>fall into a profound state of relaxation>see a weird alien mask>see all my memories from the past 22 minutes flash before my eyes>wake up staring at jupiter in the sky>something explodes in its orbit, sending out a streak of light flying>ah shit, here we go again...
>>82947417Did you try changing your life when you were not meditating?
>>82947137https://youtu.be/dp7_cely8IA?si=-c6LY8ebQAwR_FJVwhat school of Buddhism do you subscribe to, anon?I fucked up because I *want* to believe in Buddhism but I keep circling back to this Zen quote>"if you meet the Buddha, kill him"iykyk, man
>>82948065Incidentally, this was answered in this pic rel: >>82947237
>>82948065I am in no particular school, I take from all schools freely. I have practiced from Buddhist, Taoist, Hermericist, Chrisrian and Hindu teachings, there is no one true way before the Source
>>82948127Om~I feel like, for me to believe I have to not believe, if that makes any sense>>82948131Oh shit man, you're a brethren of mine thenBig into theology/philosophy since you were a kid huh? Religious trauma gave you your first few steps towards your journey?
>>82948191Welcome friend. No religious trauma moreso a lackthereof from my lapsed Catholic parents. Early access to the internet and 20 years of studying any word with -ism attached to the end of it.It has been a fun journey though and continues to be
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNHoqLKGAuI
>>82948191It makes sense and your hunch is correct. You have to believe in the right view, but not by examining it with any wrong views, because a belief system informed by the wrong view will spew out more wrong views and misconceptions and send you down all the wrong paths and waste a lot of time causing confusion instead of understanding.To believe correctly, you have to believe in the right view from the perspective of the right view, which can't be done until you have the right view in the first place. Thus, "if you see the buddha, kill him". In the proverb, "the buddha" is a projection from a mind that is perceiving the right view incorrectly, which implies using the wrong view, and getting back on track requires getting rid of that wrong view, aka killing the buddha.And thus begins the journey. Attaining the right view without having the right view to attain it with. This is where the sutta, the sangha and a good teacher can help.
tl;dr: Kill your idea of the buddha. Seeing him implies you're being informed by wrong view. Kill your idea of the practice, not the practice.
>>82948222thank you for sharing this brother pepe
