Uuuhhh.... Third official thread...!!!!!!Anyways, what did you bots think of Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger????Did you finish it?Did you enjoy the process of reading/listening to it?Any favorite battle, moment or reflection?Did you learn anything about WWI, war in general or trench warfare?Any unrelated reflections you want to share?...>POLL TIME!!!VOTE HERE: https://strawpoll.com/e2naXWJEpyBPick 3!Only *1* book will be read.A tie? The shorter book wins! So we know that more people are able to finish it. It's one way to break up the tie, if you have any other idea just say so!For the synopsises of the books, check here : https://www.goodreads.com/search?q=&qid=If you don't know how long a book will really be even when looking at the audiobook time then consider the fact that an anime episode is around 20 minutes long and do the math from here!If the thread ends before the end of the poll (or if I messed up the timer on the poll). Just refer back to the poll to know which one won, you can get the link to this thread in the archive by typing "sbr".>REMINDEREvery book rec gets snapped out of existence like in your favorite Marvel movie every thread, so recommend the same one you recommended before if you want to be able to vote for it next time! Or some new ones!
--PRESENTATION-->What is SBR?SBR stands for Some Bots Read (previously known as Project: Stop Being Retarded)>What is a Bot?Someone from the Brotherhood Of Tardation (B.O.T), a member of SBR (you, maybe!)>What is the point of this thread?Book club. By retards, for retards. We vote on a book, read it, discuss it once a month (always on weekends). All so you end up maybe slightly less stupid and illiterate>Do I HAVE to read the same books?Yes! But also no. Everybody who reads is welcomed to shill what they want, but you won't be a part of the broader discussion and you'll get the book we're reading spoiled for yourself. IF you're talking about an unrelated book's plot points please use the spoiler function. You're also free to ask more personal literature questions to other Bots, but if you seek responses from people who *actually* read then feel free to go on /lit/ instead, or make a new thread on /r9k/>Do I HAVE to finish them?You don't need to finish them if you don't like them, but if you want to discuss it and tell us why exactly it wasn't your thing, be prepared to get spoiled the rest of the story you did not finish (obviouslyy)>Where do I get my books and audiobooks?Has everything, including non-English : https://fmhy.net/Most popular place to get EPUBs and PDFs : https://annas-archive.org/Most popular place to get (English) Audiobooks : https://audiobookbay.lu/
>Reading on your phone?Install ReadEra or any other e-Reader. You might also need to install a dictionary app (and link it up to the e-reader application for ease of use)>I-I can't finish it!! I can't concentrate!!It's normal. Try disconnecting from your computer (I know, I know) and try reading either in the morning, or at night if you're relaxed and not sleepy. If you use your computer before reading you probably won't be able to concentrate much. Also whispering the words can help you stay concentrated. As well as putting some non-intrusive music (check "dark academia" or the Helder channel on youtube). Audiobooks also help a lot, you can read them while walking or even while playing some mindless game you played a thousand times like minecraft. Now add some music in the background and you can safely consooom it and miss like a fourth of it, but hey, you could say you read it!>Discord?No>Original thread :https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/82289868/#82289868>Thread number 0:https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/82304249/#82304249>Thread number 1:https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/82633702/>Thread number 2:https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/82910439/>NEXT MEETING : Saturday, the 20th of December 2025. Mark you calendars!Begun, the SBR thread has.
>>83184679I already said this on the reminder thread, but I will repeat anyway for the sake of bumping your thread.>what did you bots think of Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger????Ukrainian drone footage>Did you finish it?Nope, but I will finish it this year. I promise!>Did you learn anything about WWI, war in general or trench warfare?Actually no. Not yet.>Any unrelated reflections you want to share?...Cats are very entertaining both in peace time and war time.
>>83185137Thanks for the bumperino cutiepie. But you don't have to finish it if you don't want to lol. Though I have to add to what I said before; I discovered that the translation of the physical copy I had was one with a lot of nationalistic sentiments edited out (and maybe other stuff too, like when he calls the French just as dirty as the German, and he's less blood thirsty during certain moments it seems). There's a lot of different editions of the book so if you're interested enough in finishing it you might want to spoil yourself a little and look at the last page and if it ends on him getting a Pour le Merite/ Blue Max instead of continuing on about his thoughts on the war and nationalism then you might want to read another translation (what I put in spoilers isn't spoiling much, but if you don't want to know anything about it then don't click on it I guess lol, but I guess you won't know if you've got a stinky version)Thank god I decided to listen to the audiobook when walking somewhere outside otherwise I wouldn't have noticed the difference. There's a chapter that's completely altered too.>Cats are very entertaining both in peace time and war time.True, it's the one thing that the English and the Germans had in common. A cute cat going from trench to another iirc. I also googled some WWI images with cats for my edits and apparently 300k of them were sent to the frontlines to boost morale
>>83185232>But you don't have to finish it if you don't want to lolI've been meaning to read this book for years. I will do it!I'm reading the Howard Fertig translation from 1996. At some point the author himself points out how he decided to remove certain opinions out of the book so it could be more of a description of the events. If I'm not mistaken, he re-edited the entire thing in his 30s because he didn't agree with some his past views any more, so this one must be translated from the neutered edition.>300k of them were sent to the frontlines to boost moraleAnd eat the mice, I suppose.It seems a very short book will win next months poll so I will read that one first in a couple of afternoons and return to this one after.
>>83185399>I've been meaning to read this book for years. I will do it!Alright then have fun reading it!! It ends on a pretty great note as the last few chapters are the best ones imho>At some point the author himself points out how he decided to remove certain opinions out of the book so it could be more of a description of the events. If I'm not mistaken, he re-edited the entire thing in his 30s because he didn't agree with some his past views any moreDamn so yours is different from the two I read too. It seems like he changed his mind every decade because I just looked it up and apparently there are 7 different versions lol>And eat the mice, I suppose.Tru tru>It seems a very short book will win next months poll so I will read that one first in a couple of afternoons and return to this one after.You never know what might happen! Poll's not closed yet!!! If a short book wins thoughever it might be good to breathe new life into the threads for a month or two before they go on life support. Hope you have fun with the book you'll be reading aldougheverbeit
>>83184679I dont have much time so i am just gonna bump the thread quickly: One can safely guess I liked it through my name. My favourite part were the chapters about the Somme, pure chaos and hell. And aside from learning about WW1, you can get a bit more of a realistic idea of how everyday life at the front is, some practical knowledge about how trench systems are built. You can draw comparisons of today vs back then, people have changed for sure. Junger was a chad and can also serve as a role model if someone has problems with fear, neuroticism and draws inspiration from others. Also he decided to convert to catholicism shortly before dying which is interesting.
>>83185544Hello Mr. Storm, punctual as always. Hope you'll be having some ebin funerino today; much more important than being on le chan. I am quite shocked to learn that storm isn't your actual last name doughever (the primal need to write though at the end of every sentence).>My favourite part were the chapters about the Somme, pure chaos and hellI really enjoyed them too! Which is why I loved the last few chapters too, especially during the great battle, because it seemed like the most chaotic battle yet, where even Ernst Junger loses his cool.>And aside from learning about WW1, you can get a bit more of a realistic idea of how everyday life at the front is, some practical knowledge about how trench systems are built.Yes tru, you're really able to say at the end of it "I know what it's like to be a German soldier during WWI". It's a historical document. God sent Ernst to write it (hence his plot armor). Habent sua fata libelli et balli>You can draw comparisons of today vs back then, people have changed for sureYeah I told myself the same thing. They had great respect and sportmanship for each other. Difference with the Ukraine war where everyone is a dick to allies and foes alike is night and day.>Junger was a chad and can also serve as a role model if someone has problems with fear, neuroticism and draws inspiration from othersYes I heard too that he started really disliking Hitler at some point but his works were never censored because Moustache man could only (mentally) kneel in front of Chad Stormofsteelcock. It's insane to think the dude was younger than me. He was incredibly brave, composed and intelligent (as a leader at least).>Also he decided to convert to catholicism shortly before dying which is interesting.Yeah I saw an interview where he said he started reading the Bible during WWII, because when horrors are happening, fiction isn't enough to pull yourself up. So that's when he must've started believing in it
Bumperinoino.
>>83186706Mamma mia signore, we're speaking full Italian now?I think most bots died in the trenches with this one. Maybe I should restrict it to shorter books because it was the longest one so far and it's a bot hecatomb
>Anyways, what did you bots think of Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger????I liked it a lot, Junger's writing is very pleasent.>Did you finish it?>Did you enjoy the process of reading/listening to it?I ended up procrastinating to read the whole thing, which made it tiresome.>Any favorite battle, moment or reflection?Same as this reply >>83185626, to be honest.>Did you learn anything about WWI, war in general or trench warfare?Yes, history is something I really need to study more and this book gave me some good info on the life of the soldier and why people described it like hell on earth.>Any unrelated reflections you want to share?...The war looks like something incomprehensible for those who haven't experienced it. while I was reading, I imagined the Storm and the chaos of the battles as some sort of immaterial pillar of light, rain and wind that turned the space into something metaphysically different, something prob'ly related to Junger's love for Deutschland and how he makes crystal clear the fact he's fine with risking his life for something greater than himself.
>>83184679>Anyways, what did you bots think of Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger????it was good, read it after reading Mine Were Of Trouble, which i did prefer desu>Did you finish it?yes>Did you enjoy the process of reading/listening to it?ye it was a good read from what i remember, didnt feel like that much of a drag>Any favorite battle, moment or reflection?i remember liking the parts where he wrote about his brother for some reason>Did you learn anything about WWI, war in general or trench warfare?not really desu, should probably re-read it>Any unrelated reflections you want to share?nah
>>83187189 >I liked it a lot, Junger's writing is very pleasent.That's good! I personally thought his writing in itself was more of the dry side. It probably didn't help that my translation made things harder to understand, it's as if everything was implied. I had to check another translation when I couldn't understand. But otherwise it was more than good enough to not bore me at all even if the book may seem repetitive at times, since it's day to day, week to week, battle to battle stuff.>I ended up procrastinating to read the whole thing, which made it tiresome.I can imagine lol. I am proud of you for having read it in such a short amount of time. I would never be able to do it.>Same as this reply to be honest.Oh shoot sista that's me. Let's go bestie. It was very interesting when he burst into tears and became enraged during this battle.>Yes, history is something I really need to study more and this book gave me some good info on the life of the soldier and why people described it like hell on earth.Yes me too. I don't really know much about the details of WWI and I only vaguely knew about trench warfare from documentaries and Celine but I learned plenty of stuff.>The war looks like something...I get it, the constant apocalyptic decriptions really make him seem like he's just a tiny man within a larger historical context. It's not just about fighting for a nation or a cause, but about aligning himself with something that transcends personal survival.>Posting from your IP range has been temporarily blocked due to abuseFUARK. Who keeps messing with my IP??? Anyways by copy-pasting this I uncopied the response to the other guy DOUBLE FUARK I have to write it again
>>83187259>it was good, read it after reading Mine Were Of Trouble, which i did prefer desuNever heard of that bookerino desu senpai.>yeshell yeah>ye it was a good read from what i remember, didnt feel like that much of a dragYeah it was surprising to me because since it was a diary of trench warfare I thought it'd be more of a drag per moments but no it never was. Always a new way to attack the ennemy, a new reflection, a new apocalyptic scene...>i remember liking the parts where he wrote about his brother for some reasonMe too. I liked how he put some paragraphs from his brother's journal and you can see from his pov that he thought Ernst was dead. Also when he's looking at his brother being taken away, fearing for his life. Which put into perspective how overconfident in oneself one can be, and how fragile he actually is.>not really desu, should probably re-read itLook at Mr. Knowitall>nahSuccinct and to the point
>>83185527>They had great respect and sportmanship for each other. Difference with the Ukraine war where everyone is a dick to allies and foes alike is night and day.The Kali Yuga got kalier and yugaer.>It's insane to think the dude was younger than me. He was incredibly brave, composed and intelligent (as a leader at least).Reading and watching stuff about his life really makes me want to go outside more and experiece the world. Better break my chains while I'm young.
>>83187528>The Kali Yuga got kalier and yugaerEspecially yugayer. Hopefully it means we're almost done with it>Reading and watching stuff about his life really makes me want to go outside more and experiece the world. Better break my chains while I'm young.Same. I need to get my ass up and find something to do and experience, but everything is so uncool. I'd go in the trenches if I knew I had his plot armor. That might be why I like memoirs/autobiographies of cool peeps. I live vicariously through them.
>>83184679Thanks so much for reminding me to read this book OP. I'll start today, I have no excuses anymore.Anyone else here write by the way? Speaking of the Ukraine war I'm actually working on a short story about it and about drone footage consoomer culture. Also got a novel in the works that I've been fucking around with for years.
>>83187628>Thanks so much for reminding me to read this book OP. I'll start today, I have no excuses anymore.No problem anon, it was in your backlog for way too long, I just had to remind you personally of it. I live inside your walls btw.I think you'll very much enjoy it if you've got the slightest interest in war or the time period. Watch out for the different versions of the book doughever.>Anyone else here write by the way? Speaking of the Ukraine war I'm actually working on a short story about it and about drone footage consoomer culture. Also got a novel in the works that I've been fucking around with for years.I try to write for fun but it's too hard for my brainerino. I spend 3 hours on the same paragraph, think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, then revisit it some time later and it's just awkward. Anyways I do find though that ideas come more easily to oneself when you actually start writing. I'm able to conjure up metaphors or analogies I'd never be able to if I just thought about while walking or something.Couldn't imagine writing more than a short story or novella myself, seems like a lot of work and you gotta make sure your interest in your novel doesn't wane. I don't know if you ever plan on getting your works published but if you do I wish you good luck anony. The premise for the short story is at least something that would interest me if I saw it in the store
>>83187758>Watch out for the different versions of the book dougheverKek I did what was suggested here >>83185232 and it turns out I do have the "wrong" translation. It's the Michael Hoffman one. This shit's hard for my retarded ass. I'm enjoying the opening of the book though, not much else to say for now. >I try to write for fun but it's too hard for my brainerino. I spend 3 hours on the same paragraph, think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, then revisit it some time later and it's just awkward.God, I know this feeling so well. The only advice I can give is, just write. You can edit "awkward" writing to make it better, but there's nothing you can do with writing that doesn't exist. It's normal to re-read your first draft later and think it sucks, what matters is that you actually put something out into the world and can now turn it into something kino. Problem is I myself don't follow this advice for shit and also tend to hyperfixate. >I don't know if you ever plan on getting your works published but if you do I wish you good luck anony. The premise for the short story is at least something that would interest me if I saw it in the storeThank you so much for your nice words anon. I managed to get a couple of things published in online magazines but I'd like to do more if I don't suck too badly. Good luck to you with your writing as well.
>>83184679Gogol had better win, It's Christmastime and he's the best author among the Christmas books
>>83187953>it turns out I do have the "wrong" translation. It's the Michael Hoffman one. The nationalistic version is the 1929 translation. I think it's in the public domain so it should be easy to find online and compare if you're ever curious.>This shit's hard for my retarded ass. I'm enjoying the opening of the book though, not much else to say for now.If you're speaking of the difficulty of the book then yeah at the beginning I had some troubles with it, especially since there was a lot of military vocabulary I wasn't familiar with, but you quickly get used to it once he starts using these words more (though I don't know if it was because of my translation).>God, I know this feeling so well. The only advice I can give is, just write. You can edit "awkward" writing to make it better, but there's nothing you can do with writing that doesn't exist. It's normal to re-read your first draft later and think it sucks, what matters is that you actually put something out into the world and can now turn it into something kino. Thanks anon, that's very nice to hear and helpful since I tend to only write in bursts and focus on the same small parts. I really need to just write slop and refine it into kino.>Problem is I myself don't follow this advice for shit and also tend to hyperfixate. Well we both have the same hurdle to overcome kek>Thank you so much for your nice words anon. I managed to get a couple of things published in online magazines but I'd like to do more if I don't suck too badly. Good luck to you with your writing as well.Damn good job anon, if you got published that means someone must've liked your story well enough to accept it so it probably wasn't stinky. I imagine you write a lot too since you're working on two things and got published already, so that also helps unless you're 'tistic. Good luck to you!!>>83188121It ain't looking good for Gogolbros
Nobody is doing that, so I'll suggest some books for the next pool.>Ferdynand Ossendowski's "Beasts, Men, Gods">Machado de Assis's "Posthumous Memoirs of Braz Cubas">Yukio Mishima's "Confessions of a Mask">Yukio Mishima's "Sun and Steel">Edward Bernays's "Propaganda">C. S. Lewis's "Abolition of Man">Friedrich Nietzsche's "Twilight of the Idols">???'s "Beowulf">Carl Jung's "The Undiscovered Self"I might add more books to the list later. Prob'ly not.
>>83188639>poll
>>83188639I'd love to re-read Confessions of a Mask with you faggots
>>83188639A big list for a big boyI'll add'em
>>83188188>The nationalistic version is the 1929 translation. I think it's in the public domain so it should be easy to find online and compare if you're ever curious.Thanks so much anon, I'll make a point to look for it.What I meant by being retarded is that there's too many versions of the book, thankfully I'd done some research into WW1 and general military logistics for other projects before but I would definitely have struggled at times otherwise. >I tend to only write in bursts and focus on the same small parts. I'm very similar. I get the urge to write in very unpredictable bursts where I just hyperfocus on some small thing. Other times I can barely force myself to. And writing necessary scenes I don't feel passionate about is a constant active uphill battle for me. >unless you're 'tisticKek unfortunately you've caught me out there
>>83188816No problemo amigo.>What I meant by being retarded is that there's too many versions of the book Oh yeah well don't worry I don't know about the other versions either. I was just reading the translation of the book in my language, then I went for a walk and decided to put the english audiobook because might as well since there wasn't a version for my language, then when I sat back down to find where I stopped on the physical edition I noticed all the changes, then googled why. Don't know all the changes throughout the different versions thoughever. >thankfully I'd done some research into WW1 and general military logistics for other projects before but I would definitely have struggled at times otherwise.Oh I see it's gud then, it'll go smooth sailing even for a smooth brain.>I'm very similar. I get the urge to write in very unpredictable bursts where I just hyperfocus on some small thing. Other times I can barely force myself to. And writing necessary scenes I don't feel passionate about is a constant active uphill battle for me. Yeah it's also why I think I'd struggle a lot with writing something long. Writer's block, low motivation and having to focus on scene that don't passionate me to get to the good ones would annoy me. It's probably about habit, gotta make it second nature. Also experience both in life and in writing to make things go smoother. I think at some point things are bound to become easier, unless your brain deteriorates into goo.>Kek unfortunately you've caught me out thereDamn. A real cameleon. Everybody's just some sort of retarded nowadays anyway, you just have to be king tard. That's what I tell myself anyways. No matter how much of a zoom brainlet I am, with the competency crisis of today I could probably get away with being called a genius by the stupider people of my time
I want to keep this thread alive so it dies after the end of the poll.So... do you guys have any suggestions for the book we'll read in January?
>>83189792The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis was recommended to me recently and sounds fun.
>>83189792Arigato por etto bumpu desu or somethingI (the OP) have no recommendations to give to myself to add to the poll thoughever. The book I've started is probably a bit long for these threads. I shall see in due time if some ideas pop up.>>83189839I can add it to the poll if you wanna
>~~~~~~~~~RESULTS ARE IN!>WE HAVE A WINNERWE HAVE A WINNER>WE HAVE A WINNERWE HAVE A WINNERSince the tie-breaker depends on the length of the book as stated...A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens wins the fourth poll on the /SBR/ general!!What a close race that was! Two books with 13 votes!OMEDETOU DICKUENS-KUN!!!!>*pachi pachi pachi pachi*See you everybody on the 20th to discuss it!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY >~~~~~~~~~
>>83190199He also wins the award for the most annoying hair to photoshop btw. Didn't think it could get worse than Dosto and his beard
Hey, do you plan on bringing back thread themes?I noticed only now that there was something missing here.I would suggest some traditional British Christmas songs, but I don't know any :/
>>83190254FUARK someone noticed.I thought nobody would.Since I did it last second I was like fuck it yolo nobody checks it anyway but I get somebody did lol. I'll bring them back and will def look into traditional British Christmas songs don't worry nonnon
>>83190279>I getI guess*
