Nihilism won. Meaninglets coping. Play video games and await extinction.
That's the plan, chief.
>>83275112I'm really badly hoping humanity is gone within a thousand years at least.
>>83275625Humanity can last however long it wants, I won't be contributing though. The world ends with me.
I don't understand why people react to the concept that there's no INHERENT, TRANSCENDENT meaning to life with complete defeatism, or equate it with just playing videogames until you dieIt's just an observation of reality. No religion with any following got it right. No objective morality can be conveyed without appealing to the subjective and blatantly immoral whims of a tribal storm god. The only thing that can be said for certain is that 99.9999% of people don't like being harmed so you should try to adhere to the golden standard in general
>>83275773Fair. But I choose to allow defeatism to win. A bit of comfort will do, no more grand ambitions or hopes. Most people do not like to be harmed, so not having kids will stop that from happening to countless future generations.
>>83275794I didn't say defeatism was bad, I'm just tired of the people on this board treating them as the same thing. Shit sucks right now and might never get better. I'm right there with you.
>>83275773that's the only meaningful meaning. subjective value and golden standards and shit are arbitrary rhetorical tricks.
>>83275818the only meaningful meaning comes from believing a book that states clearly that bats are birds, whales are fish, and livestock that mate by striped reeds bear striped calves?
>>83275829yes, but it doesn't have to be the bible. any true religious belief in the absolute or transcendent.
>>83275841NTA, but I'm done self-bullshitting. Every drive is a god, you don't need anything external or "more" absolute. The conflict between inner gods is more than enough.
>>83275841If it can be any religion, then they're all equally (in)valid.
>>83275845it's not a god if it comes from you, or if you're aware that it does. it needs to be external>>83275848yes, except for the one you believe in the absolute truth of
>>83275862esotericism is bullshit, moving on.
>>83275867moving on from what to what? you think i'm promoting a cult? i'm atheist my man and not even mentally unwell
>>83275112Nihilism will never win because I'll just play video games and await extinction.
>I'm atheist but subscribe to a religion I'm begging you we all need to be religious it doesn't matter which one just PLEASE JOIN A RELIGION PLEEEEEEASE
>>83275862>it's not a god if it comes from you, or if you're aware that it does. it needs to be externalWhat if there is no "you" beyond these drives/gods?
>>83275873yeah we're all engaged in a constant thought-war for your allegiance, there is no other reason anyone ever posts online. christ man, can't even post my thoughts on what is meaningful without people shitting themselves over their loyalties and assuming ulterior motives. you can do what you want, i just like to talk.>>83275879i think that's fine? i approached it from the other way round, that anything in some way based on or derived from yourself, will be artificial and arbitrary and, ultimately, unsatisfying. that you yourself can be reduced to drives, if that's what you're getting at, is not something that worries me.
>>83275905>. that you yourself can be reduced to drives, if that's what you're getting at, is not something that worries me.I guess what I'm getting at is that any "external" absolute will take the form of whatever drive creates it. Which is why the Abrahamic god can be vengeful, cruel, merciless, loving, merciful, judgmental, forgiving, etc. depending on what animates any particular worshiper.
>>83275926That's just scriptural cherrypicking. The god of the bible is objectively vengeful, cruel, merciful and judgmental. There's no argument against it, that's literally most of the passages, countered only by "god is really nice and you should appreciate what he does for you bro" passages in the NTThe only non-hypocritical abrahamic people are the ones who own people, stone people to death over clothing and words, and dedicate every second of their life to praying for mercy from the war god
>>83275933I don't know about that, it's an argument as old as religion itself, it feels like. It seems obvious, yet there are tens of thousands of denominations, all with their weird quirks. It's also a common argument among Islamists from what I know (that there's a simple objective non-negotiable interpretation of the Quran), yet they have Shiites and Sunnis and Wahabis and who knows who else, and they tend to hate and kill each other. I'm more inclined to say that the nature of truth/reality is pluralistic because you can always give it some kind of spin. Some more convincing than others. What if God changed his mind at some point?But by this point it's like trying to argue about whether one should worship Zeus or Jupiter. Nihilism won.
>>83275926oh yeah, i was gonna mention that but i wasn't sure if i'd misunderstood you. coming from a place of no belief, my idea is of course that we do construct our gods and religions as individuals, and so they are derived from us just like anything else. that's why faith is necessary. with a true belief in a god, it seems separate from us, and so it can grant us a sense of actual, absolute and transcendent meaning. to actually achieve this separating faith would require some kind of self-brainwashing or rewiring beyond what i've been able to do, but i think this is the one way out of nihilism. (to be clear, it wouldn't need to be a literal god or a church-type religion.) am i being coherent?
>>83275958>what if god changed his mindliterally shouldn't be possible for an omniscient being to change his mind, experience guilt/regret, et cetera, because every single thing has been accounted for at the very beginning, every death is planned before birth. So how in the hell does something like the flood of Noah happen, or the Tower of Babel, or the Garden of Eden, or the regret he felt at making Saul king after Saul showed mercy to a couple kids and cattle during the Amalekite genocide? He knew it was going to happen, and orchestrated it all.
>>83275966Yes, I get what you mean, but in some sense all ideals transcend us, even if they're not independent living beings so to speak. It's just that you cannot "worship" all of them at once, since they contradict each other. But that approach seems much more useful to me than trying to convince yourself that an arbitrary Lovecraftian entity exists and wants you to sacrifice your pubic hair because it just does.
>>83275973That's already assuming a lot about omniscience and its relation to time. Maybe time is not linear and thus not set in stone. God knows every possibility, but not every outcome.
>>83275996THE BOOK SAYS HE *PLANNED* EVERY LIFE AT THE BEGINNING OF TIME IDIOT.
>>83275989yes, maybe. but how can those ideals and drives stay meaningful for you when you, every day, feel and experience how fickle they are? how dependent and conditioned they are?
>>83276010You can interpret that in many ways.
>>83276045okay jordan peterson, while you're in cloud cuckooland I'll be here using words people understand and have definitions for
>>83276020Technically, you can train them through repetition, but it can only get you so far. We're material beings, after all.
>>83276048Well, if God has everything planned out in a fully deterministic manner from the start, why would he ever ask anything from humans? Is it just one big prank?
>>83276053Ego. He's a jealous god.
>>83276062But then why not make it impossible for humans to worship any other god?
>>83276072Because he was written by fucking idiots maybe? Because this is all fiction and he definitionally could not exist under any circumstances?
>>83276096what a cop out>>83276052yeah, i see. that's reasonable. i still feel i need to unreasonably chase my external ideal, your way hasn't felt like it worked for me. good luck anon.
>>83276102I am telling you why it's impossible for him to exist because he doesn't, and you think "Hmmmm, must be a copout"You're fucking retarded
