>>83439268
eat less and do cardio its not that hard cartman

>>83439268
>Fitness freak
I've used ECA stacks (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin).
You can do a Google search on it.
Just make sure to stay below max levels and take a break from it. I do an ECA stack cut every year before beach season.

>>83439268
You should get a lot of advice in this thread, since pretty much all of America is already reliant on meth to get by each day. What I can tell you is that my customers and colleagues report that legal varieties of amphetamines (generally, but not always) work very inconsistently. I actually recommend you look into using non-prescription drugs to enhance your life if you can't be talked out of using something. Take some ephedrine to get a little boost each day and carry on. Do NOT be stupid and intoxicated yourself, under any circumstance. Many incels (like myself) would benefit from small sedative or opioid doses to cope, but you have to be very careful not to get carried away.

>>83439286
I can't stop eating like a fucking pig, tried changing my diet multiple times but I'm just a gluttonous piece of shit, I do plenty of cardio at my shitty blue collar job but it doesn't really help, I need something chemical that supresses my appetite, also I drink a lot which increases my calories significantly.

>>83439319
I think ephedrine is illegal in europe.
>>83439336
I'm planning on taking very small doses that don't get me high but only reduce appetite and anxiety.

>>83439319
>He takes drugs to get ready for beach season
GET THE FUCK OUT OF /r9k/ normalcuck swine! Does no one on 4cuck remember how much better it can be here? What a disgrace.

>>83439404
every male gets a natural instinct to get pussy man, otherwise you are just a s()yboy cuck

>>83439360
>>83439268

>speedmaxxing

It's not the worst idea in the world, but it didn't really work for me because the amphetamine/meth euphoria was very tempting, and my life is generally shit, so it was almost impossible not to tweak/go overboard, have my blood pressure go critical, be sleep deprived etc.

If it's meth or similar, it won't work because it basically makes it impossible to sleep for days on end.
If it's an amphetamine or similar, it might work out for you.
Again, IF the temptation of euphoria doesn't overpower your productive plans.

Give it a shot.

>>83439360
>fitness freak that posted earlier.
Once you get used to eating less your body adjusts. I know. I was a fat kid and my extended family still sucks with meal portioning.

Keep low calorie food around to snack when your body has cravings you cant resist... like pickles, celery and carrots.
After a while your body will get outright disgusted at the thought of eating unhealthy food.

>>83439404
It was better because there were no women.
Now there are, and it sucks. They intentionally disrupted the culture, they were directed here to do concensus cracking.
His normiedom is a drop in the bucket.

>>83439404
Dude.
Ever thought maybe I was like you once, and the reason I stick around is to help people like you?

>>83439433
True.
I've just recently flipped my habits and therefore my body's cravings like that.
Can be done, but it's far from easy.

>>83439453
Do you believe people are capable of being helped/changed by external actors?

>>83439431
Yeah I'm afraid of that since I am an alcoholic, but still I would prefer to go on a speed bender for 3 days and only drink only water instead of drinking for 3 days and eating a bunch of high calorie slop in between, as I said in the OP I have nothing to lose at this point.
>>83439433
idk i get disgusted by myself every time i look at the mirror but at the same time I can't resist some good old slop, eating and drinking is my coping mechanism for anxiety so I hope to substitute that addiction to amphetamines

>>83439483
Absolutely, maybe for you this place is just an echo chamber but some people come here for genuine advice

>>83439504
Maybe take it before work so that you don't have access to additional doses during the day.
Then you will be extra active at work and have no appetite. Come home, eat a little, crash.

TAKE ASPIRIN WITH IT NIGGER.
DO NOT SKIP NIGHTS OF SLEEP.

>>83439532
I'm not the same anon that criticized you for being a "normie". But I do earnestly wonder how much one can actually change.
Both in my own life and what I observe in others, it seems each person is trapped in a pattern. Some are constructive, some are destructive, but the overall patters seem extremely rigid over the years.

>>83439360
When you get an urge, you inscribe it as part of a narrative identity. This is wrong. Unironically, "just be aware, bro". Notice how the urge is trying to push a certain way. Ask yourself "how could I modify this feeling?" and test it. With time, you'll notice what cues trigger it and you'll be able to avoid it for the most part. You'll also know what it takes to lower it when it does come up.

I'll also say working memory is ridiculously limited. I haven't experimented with this a lot yet, but you can basically DDOS it. If you're spiraling about something starts loading a bunch of unrelated crap in memory and it will just eject you from the spiral. Need more testing on my part though, but I don't spiral that much anymore.

>>83439268
Dude you will fuck up your whole entire body & brain if you take that daily & it's gonna stop being effective. Use it sparingly if you insist on using it

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>>83439268
> eat healthy
> exercise
> take care of your mind
> no alcohol, no sugar
> make money

focus on these 5 for years and you will become successful and good looking

>>83439268
If you're balding why haven't you taken dutasteride/finasteride and minoxidil

>>83439574
That's the plan, I already take melatonin pills for sleep since I have minor imsomnia from anxiety so if anything I will have to increase the dosage on that, but also I can go trough the whole day of work with 1 sandwich and coffee and cigarettes but I get very hungry in the evening so I will probably need another small dose after work.

>>83439617
Unironically masturbating has helped me with the mental side of that, again I'm substituting 1 addiction with another but it kinda helps so I will implement that in my journey, before getting this fat I wasn't that anxious so it's the main issue I have to tackle in my improovement journey.
>>83439635
if only it was that easy I would have done that years ago, I'm psychologically broken so I need some compromises.

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>>83439726
life is not suppose to be easy
these 5 things are hard
thats why people who do those 5 things over and over
for many years
are admired

>>83439617
Works in theory, not in practice

>>83439678
If you are fat and alcoholic and a smoker, you are likely impulsive. This makes temptations extra hard to resist.
Like I said, I tried speedmaxxing a couple times in the past to get fit and be productive. It didn't work for getting fit because my sleep was destroyed and my heart and circulation were fucked by the amphetamine vasoconstriction.
I was productive with graphic design because the speed made it pleasurable to lock in and work for hours in a row. Also managed to start learning a language. Talked a hell of a lot on the phone.

Speed is the best drug for someone like an accountant to have a breakthrough week when it matters.
But as a lifestyle modifier, I dunno.
Try it. I do think you're fucked either way, and would encourage you to take heavy risks now or nothing will change. I broke out of inceldom around your age

>>83439742
>>83439635
Just kys man

42917

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>>83439759
life will be hard no matter what stage you reach
learn to live with pain, use pain to move forward

> eat well
> exercise
> take care of your mind
> make money

start today, not tomorrow, leave this place

>>83439726
I'm no psychiatrist, but I don't think stimulants are the solution to anxiety. To me anxiety comes from an agitated mind. Stimulants agitate the mind. When you feel an urge, try to figure out how to still the mind.

>>83439748
I agree that having stakes makes things more salient. The problem for OP is that it also raises anxiety, and he struggles at managing it.

What I proposed works in practice too, but it does take practice.

>>83439772
>muh epic Marcus Aurelius whitepill chungus
>tfw literally guts from Berserk

OK see you tomorrow, retard.

>>83439801
Nah, what you proposed kinda works for those who are already predisposed to that stuff. Muh mediation is bs, you see everyone praising it and doing it in short bursts but not changing much. Cause it's placebo.
An already meditative person will obviously have a good time playing around with meditation. A different build will find it useless long-term.

>anxiety
He's low-value, fat, stressed, has an unhappy past and no future. What the fuck do you expect him to feel if not anxiety?
If something starts changing in this life, his anxiety will go away.

I fucking hate you retarded nerds so much

>>83439360
Just stop buying more food than you need

>>83439748
You are probably the only one on this post that kinda understood where I'm at, the few times I've taken it recreationally it made me feel amazing socially, like I could start my own business instead of working in a small factory as I do and cut deals with clients even if I'm actually an anxious loser, the goals I have right now might not be that feasible (weight loss etc.) but I really have nothing to lose, my life sucks and I'm so depressed that sometimes I think about killing myself, maybe speed will give me a kickstart or maybe it will be a lifelong addiction and I will be dead by 30, anyways worth a shot
>>83439801
Amph has always erased my anxiety while under the influence, it comes back twice as strong when I come down and that is another issue I will have to address.

>>83439268
Is this like the new superstition? The new "nofap"?

Dude, guys who are popular just have a better looking FACE. The guy in the very pic you posted has a good looking symmetrical, balanced, flawless and aesthetic face. That's what goes into being popular and especially popular with women, and growing up that way is what gives them confidence, personality, "aura", "rizz", whatever the fuck you want to call it.

If you see a guy with a good looking face and think anything like "he looks like he drinks water!", "he knows how to live!", "this guy is so confident!", you're helpessly incapable of understanding cause and consequence. And if you're thinking of taking drugs to be more "confident", then you're about to make a very dangerous choice due to said lack of mental acuity. Don't fucking do it.

>>83439930
>Amph has always erased my anxiety while under the influence, it comes back twice as strong when I come down and that is another issue I will have to address.
You could have something like ADHD. I know everyone and their mother thinks they have it now, but stimulant do not calm normal minds. I recommend you get checked out if you can, because they could actually prescribe you the right kind of stimulants if it applies to you.

>You are probably the only one on this post that kinda understood where I'm at
Because he reinforces your identity/self-narrative.

>>83439878
>Muh mediation is bs
Only insofar as you should observe your mind. I'm pragmatical, not into woowoo.

>>83439922
another genius that thinks obesity can be solved with "le just stop eating" nigga you think all fatties wouldn't do that if it was that simple?

>>83439984
If you eat less, you will lose weight, yes.

>>83439930
>like I could start my own business instead of working in a small factory as I do and cut deals with clients

By the way I also did this. I would pop a couple Adderall and go cold calling IRL, very successfully too, for a cleaning business I started with my buddy. A bunch of them signed up for our services.
Amphetamines are absolutely fantastic for that.

It's like you can use speed for sprints. But weight loss requires a longer sustained effort, that's where my doubts come from.
At the same time, while you are fat your life's on hold. We both know this is true. If you've become fat, getting back to being fit/muscular is the number one priority in life, excuse it shits up everything else.

>>83439930
Man I can tell you right now, I'm sure there's something about your face that you don't like, but think it's not that big of a deal. Well, it is. I got surgery and noticed how many aspects of my life were due to being ugly, not a lack of confidence, not something about personality, just me being ugly. And now that I'm not used to my previous face, I see it and see that I was MUCH uglier than I thought pre surgery.

I'm not saying you should get surgery. You can just cope, go ER or rape. I'm just saying if you're "not confident", "socially anxious", it just means people hate you because of what you look like.

I know you won't like this and will ignore it or mock it. I know you will prefer posts who agree with your fundamental misconception and give you advice that's easier to digest for you right now. I'm just hoping I can plant a seed that will help you much later, maybe years from now.

>>83439994
*BECAUSE it shits up everything else

>>83439990
>>83439922

You should kys good buddy

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>>83439846
ive been working on myself for last 10 years, i come from darker place than you can imagine

now 2025

making 6 figures from home
eat well
exercise
my mind is clean

every day is struggle but i am used to this

im dealing with levels of stress you would not be able to handle if it was dropped on you all of a sudden, learn to use stress and pain as fuel

path to success is one step at a time, you cant jump to success and stay there, its earned, every push up, every good decision you make, it adds ups and compounds over time

you will be ok anon, start changing your life today

dont wait

leave this place

take care of yourself

happy holidays, i wish you the best, fren

>>83439974
I was actually good looking before I got fat
>>83439981
>You could have something like ADHD. I know everyone and their mother thinks they have it now, but stimulant do not calm normal minds. I recommend you get checked out if you can, because they could actually prescribe you the right kind of stimulants if it applies to you.
I don't think I'm just a normie with ADHD (but to be fair you can say that's what every normie says) and I'm extremely afraid of doctors
>Because he reinforces your identity/self-narrativ
He didn't really reinforce my idea but kinda understood that I'm ready to sacrifice my longevity for a better life rn.

>>83440039

you sure make a lot of claims for someone too retarded to read the room or meet people where they're at.

>>83439431
i have no idea how anybody does anything but Fucking Goon on stimulants

>>83440058
>I was actually good looking before I got fat
How good looking?

"4chan chad", as in, some girl smiled at you and she may be interested?

Or an actual chad who gets hit on by women very time he goes out and takes it for granted?

And through what ages? Did you go through your teens being fat?

>>83440067
>read the room
Oh, so you're one of those autists on reddit who tell each other to "read the room" all day.

Good luck in life buddy.

>>83440008
>>83439974

Gotta be somewhat lean to even tell what your face is like though.

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>>83440067
i dont know what that means fren

i like pushups, making people feel good, staying in shape, eating healthy and making money

i wish you the best, try reading the room less and focus on yourself more

wish u happy holidays fren

>>83440102
That's fair of course. If he's fat enough, he could have gains comparable to a surgery by losing weights. And if he went through his teens that way, it's plausible that that's why he's anxious. Maybe he doesn't need surgery after all, but, if it's truly that hard for him to lose weight, isn't it ovER anyway?

I know an obese guy, like, truly obese like doesn't feet in the back seat of a car, chairs break under his weight, etc, who has been trying to lose weight for years. Apparently he got that way due to an illness before I met him.

>>83440082
Between 19-24 I was "heroin chic", then I moved to another country and started drinking and eating from stress and went from 70 to 120kg, also started balding due to stress and probably genetics, went from a tall baltic twink to a fat balding uggo.

>>83440081
You either get the urge to, or not.
It can make you into the ultimate goober immediately (in this case there is no reason to ever touch amphetamines again), it can make you really want to have soil to soil conversations on the phone, or it can make you into a hyperfpcused autistic who finds cleaning his room or doing some intellectual task, or his menial job, to be the most exciting thing in the world.

>>83440097
You're just not very bright, so you spew generic "advice" and think you're jolly and whitepilling, whereas you just come off asdumb and annoying because you fail to take their specifics into consideration.
You're the redditor here, wholesome chungus bloomer retard.
OP will feel whitepilled when he manages to shift his situation somehow. He won't get whitepilled because your dumbass is in a good mood.

>>83439974
I have a strong chin and decent jawline but since I became fat and balding it just all became round like humpty dumpty

>>83440127
fuck off yo
Wanna be a "fren"? Say something useful, then people will thank and respect you.

>>83440163
Soul to soul conversations *

Fucking autocorrect

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You are idolizing a faggot btw

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>>83440184
i already gave you everything you need to be successful at life

some people are just losers and will never get out of mindset like yours due to lack of action

i will continue to grow and become more successful, i wish the best to all anons

> eat well
> exercise
> take care of your mind
> make money

doing this alone over many years will make your life great

weak frens who choose inaction and crying will remain with your mindset and stay losers

to all real frens, happy holidays, start making changes in your life today, life is not suppose to be easy

>>83440163
OP here yeah I can't really get hard on amphetamines but it really helps me to get focused on stuff that I actually want to get done, when I'm sober I just browse here or doomscroll insta reels, don't even get any satisfatction from vidya or anime so it's meth or rope at this point lol

>>83440162
Ok but I think your teens shape your personality more.

If you truly grew up good looking I have no idea how you ended up on r9k and also socially anxious. Anything is possible. But I think you're likely embellishing the story, I've noticed people embellish their life stories to unbelievable extents.

But anyway that doesn't matter, because if you're that fat, if you just lose weight that'd be a massive looks improvement and will help you feel better already. Just forget about the drugs and get on the obvious problem.

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>>83440229
>just have a good mindset bro!

>>83440131
If you're not a dumb straightforward positive character like >>83440127
, losing weight is a fucking epic battle because it ties in with your depression and anxiety. It all becomes one giant fortress you have to somehow figure out how to storm using all the tricks, motivation, inspiration you can muster. It isn't simple in the same way that it is for simple people.

HOWEVER

It can be done, and does get done all the time, and oftentimes life gains renewed beauty from looking good again. Also, when you're fit, your body and mind just send different signals to each other, so you feel mentally better even while doing nothing. Your happiness chemicals are always pumping (unless you're overtaining/burning out)

>>83440200
Probably yeah, saw a clip of him on some tanning peptides that made him look like he's in blackface lol
>>83440229
nigga your advice is more generic and useless than ai

>>83440162
>70 to 120kg

Yeah bro this is the one and only thing you should be taking care of in your life. Literally deprioritize everything else until you are fit and muscular at 85kg.

Also
>Baltic
You are genetically very depression-prone people.

>>83440229
cool, are you done?

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>>83440255
after lifting for 5 years
eating healthy for 5 years
focusing on himself for 5 years
making side business for 5 years

unironically nothing wrong with him fren, less call of duty black ops, more healthy calorie dense foods and exercise, that guy is prolly super giga chad by now

>>83440278
maybe you should talk to ai about my advice, this way u can be a happy fren if you get some sort of special advice

> eat well
nobody ever gets worse from eating healthy food

> exercise
nobody ever gets worse from exercise

> take care of your mind
nobody ever gets worse from sharpening their mind

> make money
nobody ever gets worse from having too much money

if you dont know where to start, or have physical illness that prevents you from doing these, i wish you well fren, i hope u find what works for u

happy holidays

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>>83440200
>millennial boomer didn't know this video was ragebait

>>83440305
>unironically nothing wrong with him fren
honestly man you're hopeless

i mean, sure. there's unironically nothing wrong with him. but society wouldn't agree, and, like it or not, relationships and interactions with other people, will shape whether a person is happy or unhappy.

society loathes ugly people. they're disgusted by us.

and there's nothing this guy can do that will change his fundamental facial features, even surgery would only mitigate it.

>>83440241
I'm really not embellishing the story but as you said it doesn't really matter, I was always tall but I was of baltic/russian origin but grew up in italy. Looking back at myself now that I live In my home country I was almost at model level but Italian school girls liked more brown haired tanned guys, height didn't really matter. all that made me very insecure, add childhood trauma from a bpd mother and other life issues that came up later on in life here I am, a fat balding loser on the verge of suicide, I'm thankful for getting some support on this thread and I'm gonna try amphetamine to do some improvements in my life. Might not be healthy but I'm a fat alcoholic so I'm gonna die from a heart attack in a few years anyways so might as well risk it.

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>>83440303
maybe fren, hope i was helpful

what would make you feel jolly these holidays?


>>83440329
why do u care what society thinks fren
happiness is for children and women
men dont get to be happy

focus on yourself fren
dont worry about others
love yourself
improve your mind
improve your body
start making money
stop caring about low iq opinions
remove low iq normies from your life

start making changes to your life today
dont wait until tomorrow
time is currency
dont spend it on r9k

i love u fren, happy holidays

Taking shrooms honestly changed my life for the better

>>83440377
Took shrooms and lsd multiple times and sometimes it gave me the illusion of a "breaktrough"but when I sobered up the next day I would feel even worse than before.

>>83440370
all the stuff you say is 100% right but imo it only works with people that are already in a good position from the start, def won't work with broken people like op and some others on this thread

>>83440370
>happiness is for children and women
>men dont get to be happy

I heard that caring about what you look like is for young people and women. That free time is for young people and women. Even that self respect is for young people and women. But this is a new one, even happiness is only for young people and women? Men can't even be happy?

Fuck you. Men matter.

That's the best way I can put my reaction to all those kinds of claims.

>>83440367
My 2 cents, summarized:
It can only work if you manage to do speed at work but not at home, in my opinion. At home, the temptation is too great and it will make you dysfunctional, a sleepless tweaker. Doing speed at home, you will choose to sacrifice everything for 10 minutes of paradise, because how could you choose the shit that was your life over that?

So get into a routine where you work high, then come home and crash. And for God's sake don't forget the Aspirin, and get a nitro spray in case you get acute cardiac issues, carry it with you.

It might work, yes.
I'm so sorry things are dark like this bro.

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>>83440444
i never said you dont matter fren

the entire premise of 'happiness' does not result in a good life
you have shit to do, shit needs to get done, doesnt matter if you feel happy or not
basing your life around being happy will lead to drugs and bad life
you need to perform regardless of how you feel
you have to eat well
you have to exercise
you have to clean your mind
you have to make money
these things in return give you powers to make others happy
happiness of others can result in you having a good time and a lot of fulfillment around you

happy holidays fren

xoxo

>>83440444
>trips trvke
men might not experience the joyful happiness that women or children experience but they are still entitled to good experiences in life.

>>83440516
I think we are entitled to the joyful happiness that women or children experience, actually.

>>83440494
>>83440367

It's funny, a few years ago, before my own attempt at speedmaxxing, I made a similar thread

>>83440510
You're not making any sense. You know you're wrong, and that life is not that simple. Someone can be ugly and they will be unpopular and unhappy no matter what. Someone can also be poor with no hope of improvement. Etc.

You're playing the normie. I think that you know popular people are stupid, so you try to act stupid because you associate it with social success. That's one of the most pathetic things I can imagine, but even still, you're doing it wrong and just sounding autistic.

>>83440494
As I am right now I can only rot away sitting in front of my pc, getting anxious by the simplest task as for example going to the store. Next week I will get my 2-FA and we will see, maybe i will just become a speed-freak or maybe I will manage to get things done either way I'm tired of all those years of lurking and doomscrolling.

>>83440536
Well I'm gonna try I really don't have anything to lose anyway.

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>>83440572
fren, i know you are out of shape and have no money

in real world looks dont matter

money rules all

u try to hard to type proper grammer u give off vibes that give girls eeeek, thats why they go for good looking boys, at least they have looks, those stop being relevant once you get out of school and stop hanging around losers

you smell poor and desperate through TCP IP

you are overthinking it
life is not about school

ignore females
focus on making money
focus on improving your mind
focus on improving your body

everything great will come to you if you keep doing this for many years non stop

if you want to become unstoppable learn to be alone and have a good time by yourself, remove negatives from your life

apply raw action to your life today
no bitching, just action
start working on improving your life
leave this place, its not good for u

>>83440595
>>83440573

I understand, I am like you and did the same. Have the necessary shit on hand so you don't die.

Godspeed bro.

>>83440636
>AI pic
>AI reply

>>83439360
Ozempic was made exactly for this retard
Why would you take amphetamines in its stead

>>83440645
Thanks, knowing myself tho I'm gonna be too cheap to buy something in case the heart doesn't respond correctly to the speed and I'm gonna regret it if the time comes.

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>>83440677
you are very good at spotting AI images fren, only you have such skills, good job!

reply is human, but dont be afraid of AI
your IQ is so low right now AI could raise it by good 20 points making you almost human

is that your only skill in life?

identifying obvious AI images and being so afraid of AIs seeing real text as AI?

fren you need to leave tihs place its damaging ur brain

>>83440706
same if not worse side-effects without the anxiolytic effetc and way more expensive.

>>83440721
Nitro spray is like 5 euros

>>83440636

Lmao. You kinda dropped the act here by calling me ugly and poor. I think calling you out on intentionally acting stupid because popular people are stupid hit the nail on the head. I mean, it is pathetic.

Imagine going on the internet and thinking, consciously or subconsciously, "if I act dumb, they will think I am a jock type frat boy". It's laughable.

I give off vibes that give girls eeek? Oh no! That's not cool! And I try hard to type properly too? Ohh noo what a nerd I am! That's so uncool!

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>>83440805
you can change being 'ugly' and 'poor'
thats a lot of bitching and moaning
im getting incel vibes and the eeks from reading this, my god if i was a girl id stay away from you
you have formula to successful life infront of you
kindly fuck off and improve your life
people dont like u cuz ur personality is shit
nothing to do with looks or money
clearly you dont have either
you are not smart in any way
you have a very long way to go

here is my holiday gift for you

> quit 4chan
> quit social media
> stop stalking girls
> start improving your mind
> start improving your body
> start eating healthy
> start making money

repeat for 2 years, only then consider coming back to r9k

such loser energy makes me want to go work and exercise

im gonna have to do that now, just a reminder that incels like you dare to ignore life advice and continue wasting time of others make me want to take action

happy holidays to all frens who want to change their life for the better

dont wait, act now, dont be like this disgusting nigger

happy holidays

>>83440967
You are abysmally dumb lmao

>>83439404
>he doesnt like the sun on his face
>he doesnt like the sand between his toes
>he doesnt like the wind in his hair
>he doesnt like mogging the fuck out of dyel normalfags
Brah...

>>83441047
Do you really think he mogs dyels lel?

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>>83441011
Pepe knows what he is talking about, you are natural born loser anon, I am so sorry.

>>83441116
Gr8 b8 but ur very l8

>>83440967
Opened the thread, read
>im getting incel vibes
sopped reading and closed the thread.

>>83439268
Weed honestly changed my life, I would've continued if it hadn't had made me extremely paranoid and make me feel like I was constantly pissing myself

>>83439268
Never really tried stims but dissociatives definitely helped me to be less of a sperg

>>83441185
Used to smoke a lot when I was in school and at some point it only gave me paranoia too, without the pissing part though.

>>83441281
I was hard on ketamine when I was 19-20, wasn't much of a sperg at the time though if anything tripping on that shit kinda made me into one lol, maybe it was just brain damage though, biggest trip I ever had was on 0,9g of ketamine and 4 ecstasy pills.