>be me>maga loving cis girl>hang out with commies>70% of them are trans>start thinking about my gender>"maybe I'm trans">see a shrink about it>"you have gender dysphoria">stop hanging out with commies>find a new online friend group, all right wing guys, no trannies>5 years later>still feel ftm/ like I wanna be a man, only now I hate jews
>>83441891>chud to incel pipeline but for females
>>83441891Imagine morphing based on who you hang around, organic portal behavior
>>83441891>still feel ftm/ like I wanna be a man, only now I hate jewsFalling right into the Jewish trap. You only made a bigger mess of yourself.
>>83441914>Energetic Synthesismore like noetic ablation
>>83441914never became a commie>>83441906tbf jews are fucking awful in pretty much everything the do to everyone else >>83441923I haven't taken hormones or chopped off my tits or anything, I just hate that I'm not a man and feel more like a man and sometimes daydream about taking hormones and chopping off my tits. Realistically I wouldn't do it unless I thought I only had like a year or something to live. I wanna have kids some day and I don't want them to have an abomination as as parent. If that wasn't an option anymore, like if my fertility was fucked, then I'd consider it. Alternatively if there was ever a button that would just turn me into an actual cis man, like 100% full stop, Id immediately press it.
>>83441997>I wanna have kids Please for the love of God don't have kids until you've cleaned your head of this crap.
>>83441891You're hanging out with pseudo-commies. Outside the Anglosphere, commies don't put up with this bullshit.
>>83441891you just proved that you are indeed a pooner ftm, only men are sincerely antisemitic. women don't understand it enough to truly hate the jews
>>83442045you act like demand people use pronouns or respect my trans identity or something.
>>83441891I don't really get ftms. Mtfs at least try to dress up as women, but all of the ftms I've met only have short hair and still act like girls.
>>83441997you should never have children either way. you have those kinds of thoughts and doubts about your own identity? that shit's genetic, and you are a weak link. Even if you femrepped forever and had a kid, whose to say that kid won't just be another little you, but with the balls to actually do it and to prove you a coward.
>>83442111t. chaser
>>83442086*you act like I >>83442085It's insane to me that more americans don't. Our country is a slave to israel and the jews. They run the media so make themselves more sympathetic, all while fucking ruining our couture and just fucking everyone fanatically. It will eventually fuck them over too but they don't care because all they care about is the short term. The biggest eye opener was reading into the holocaust and nuremberg trials. What a fucking joke. The fact that in so many countries they make it illegal for you to even question it.
>>83442085kys soicuck retard
>>83442121i fuckin wish you could fuck the troon out of ftms. god knows i've tried.
>>83441997>never became a commieNTA but clearly referring to the "ftm" thoughts just because your troon friends were doing it. Ironic, considering that's common female behavior in social settings.>I wanna have kids some day and I don't want them to have an abomination as as parent.At least you had the sense not to go forward with it. Once you've stopped being chronically online you'll make a real man happy one day, having his children, raising a family, and being content with your womanhood.We all get confused sometimes Nona, no shame in it as long as you live and learn.>>83442187Many of them actually have a kink for that.
>>83442187oh I would fuck it out of mtfs too. I share your frustration.
>>83442107I mean the alternative is chopping off my tits and taking testosterone. I don't want to be a "trans man" I want to be a man. The amount of dysphoria it would solve, at least for now, wouldn't equate to the amount of shit I would have to give up. Idk maybe if science progresses some how. I've seen FTM "dicks" they gross me the fuck out. I don't want to do that to my body I want to have an actual dick. The other thing is cutting your hair and dressing in guy cloths just makes you perceived as a tomboy because its socially acceptable for women to do all that stuff. So yeah, I'd conder doing more to pass if the things that made me pass made me man like and not just a pooner freak. If the world was ending, or if I only had a bit left to live I'd consider it, but otherwise it feels like throwing away what I have for something that isn't half of what i want.
>>83441997>tbf jews are fucking awful in pretty much everything the do to everyone elseif you're a rightoid woman your entire purpose is to be subservient to a man and you aren't supposed to act on your thoughts at all
>>83442350okay jew>>83442221>Once you've stopped being chronically online you'll make a real man happy one day, having his children, raising a family, and being content with your womanhood.when is this going to happen? I'm in my later 20s. Reasonably speaking I don't have much time left.>>83442111I've considered this. It just makes me sad. In a world where a lot of meleinals and zoomers say they hate kids and would never want one, being someone who would love to have kids and still having all these reasons t not (between that and finances) torments me. I love children and I've always dreamed of having a family of my own.>>83442025see above
>>83442231>>83442187i don't think it works that way. Wish it did, that would be a much easier solution to my problems.
>>83442452>okay jewwhatever you say
>>83442231ooof this is a mood.....
>>83442477repressing your sexuality probably isn't going to help you get over this mental issue, though.
>>83441997>tbf jews are fucking awful in pretty much everything the do to everyone elseI don't do anything bad to anyone and neither does my family. Your hatred is the only evil thing here. I am amazed at how mentally ill people, who know and admit that they are mentally ill, still trust their own perception enough to hold such ridiculous opinions. Maybe, your retarded opinions and views are another consequence of your mental illness, as that's literally the nature of it.
>>83442262you know you can wait on top surgery or just not get it right? it would suck to have fat tiddies, but if your small, you might be just a moobish dude.also T changes you nearly perfectly every time. you'll be some dwarf viking chud at 5'4 and hair all over your body.
>>83442452>when is this going to happen? I'm in my later 20s. Reasonably speaking I don't have much time left.never. if it hasn't happened yet, it won't. just face it chuddette your ngmi and gunna have to kys
>>83442515>jews dindu nuffinoh yeah then why did hashem exile and holocaust you bazillion times. if the goyim give you so much tsuris maybe that's a message to you from your god.
>>83442548>schizo babble You're just proving my point.
>>83442557pure projection.
>>83442567Ironic, coming from you. Take your meds.
>>83442580>pushing drugsyou must've been popular at yeshiva.
>>83441891Alright since you want to be a retarded little faggot how about i show you your place?
>>83441891am a jewish twink, ironic.
>>83442486>jews are bad for XYZ>"yeah well as a WOMAN you shouldn't know about this stop asking questions about it!!!"note how he can't actually dispute the anti jew claims so his immediate response is to deflect and say "you're not allowed to ask." I wonder where else jews have done this... How peculiar.>>83442515Do you think it's "mentally ill" to question the holocaust? I's all about questioning the ruling class until people have pattern recognition then its "shut the fuck up and stop being a mentally ill bigot"It's not mentally ill to question things that seem sketchy and the fact you insist it is makes YOU the problem.
>>83441891You actually sound so based but you're not trans. Just a tomboy. But you should go back to hanging out with commies.
>>83442585I don't know why you're so hateful. I wish I could do something to keep people like you from becoming that way. You only proved my point, though. So whatever. Hopefully you get better without having to mutilate your body.
>>83442611>Do you think it's "mentally ill" to question the holocaust? I's all about questioning the ruling class until people have pattern recognition then its "shut the fuck up and stop being a mentally ill bigot">It's not mentally ill to question things that seem sketchy and the fact you insist it is makes YOU the problem.The holocaust has been questioned plenty of times. I think it's mental illness what causes the hate. >pattern recognition One of the key simptoms of Schizophrenia is to see "patterns" where there aren't any. Questions about the holocaust are not born from "pattern recognition" though. They usually don't happen naturally in most people, but they happen to see a piece of propaganda on the internet and then start repeating it. Questions about the holocaust, in particular, never stand up to scrutiny. >they couldn't have gassed and cremated 6 million! That was never the claim, you're deliberately twisting the fact. >there are no records of orders from Hitler!As if a single man not writing an order was such a difficult thing to accomplish.Etc.>it makes YOU the problemFinally, the very sentiment of your post proves my point. These "questions" aren't actually a rational endeavor born out of curiosity. But a way for you to justify your anger at the jews. It is anger that makes you have those thoughts, not intellectual curiosity.
>>83442611>>"yeah well as a WOMAN you shouldn't know about this stop asking questions about it!!!"yes, as a right wing trad woman you're supposed to just go along with whatever your husband saysso you fit right in
>>83442528thank god I'm not that short I would kill myself. I'm thankful for my height at the very least. As for the top surgery thing I have more dysphoria about my chest than I do my voice (and body hair, general structure ect) , so though I realize getting on T was easier, if I ever transitioned they would both be high priorities. I used to be almost flat when I was younger but now my tits are fucking huge. I need to lose weight among other things.>>83442540If I do I wanna stream it or something. Dying alone in a apartment seems too boring. Nah but really though, if it's that hopeless and I'm that fucked why shouldn't I just try to transition first? Got nothing to loose if you're right.>>83442599I'm good! thanks for the offer though! >>83442600i don't watch the show, just liked the image.
>>83442629get well, fool.
>>83442629yeah uh OP here, that guy wasn't me but you can go fuck yourself either way>>83442680Let me ask you this one, do you think it should be against the law to question the holocaust? >>83442681If I felt like a woman I wouldn't be here dumbass. Again insisting I just shut up and stop asking questions is so telling.
>>83442756>insisting I just shut up and stop askingwhen your right wing friends win guess what will happen
>>83442756>do you think it should be against the law to question the holocaust?No. It's not where I'm from. Although you're probably doing this very common dishonest tactic of hiding denial behind the veil of "questioning", hiding your already made-up conclusion behind the guise of innocent curiosity. But I'll go even further, denial shouldn't be illegal. It just outs you as a retard. >you can go fuck yourself So mad lolYou keep proving me right.
>>83442818look man, I'm willing to hear you out. I'm not so jaded that I'm closed off to the idea of being wrong. I've just seen so much evidence. I'm happy people are becoming less pro israel. israel has always been awful and people are just waking up to it now.>>83442804I can still ask them now, so I will keep doing so. If the left took over it would have that plus a fuck ton of other bullshit. Its hard to give a shit anymore.
>>83442877>I'm willing to hear you out. I'm not so jaded that I'm closed off to the idea of being wrongThat's good. But hear me out about what? I'm not really interested in debating the holocaust. >IsraelThe more people hate us, and fall for denial and other such conspiracies, the more they prove the need for the existence of Israel. >awfulI don't think it's awful at all. The jews have always been treated as an outside nation, either by themselves or others, so it makes sense that they have a nation of their own. Mosf of the religion itself is tied to the land. Scholars agree that, many of God's "powers" or authority is only effective on the land of Israel, as per the original reading of the texts. Later interpretations make it more universal, but the territory keeps being extremely relevant. The existence of Israel as a country is not an issue of debate. It exists and will keep existing for as long as the jews do. You can criticize it's politics and actions, but, just like in the US, calling for the abolition of the entire state just outs you as a hateful radical. Nobody takes the "abolish the US and capitalism" people seriously, for the most part, at least, it should be the same with Israel, as it is in many other countries.
>>83441891Yeah look maybe there is a chance you actually do, but most of these people do not have gender dipshoriaI myself am a victim of this shit.>be me>european equivalent of maga loving cis girl>hang out with dudes>start thinking maybe me dude?>self diagnose with gender diswhatever>go see a shrink, after 1 session im told yep totally you got that whatever you think it is you got it>instantly get put on trans pills and all kinds of shit and start being talked to about surgeries by the dogthors>never once did anyone for a moment stop this or slow this down and try to maybe talk me out of it or see if i really have gender dysfuck>be me year later>constantly feel like shit>constantly loaded up with drugs>constantly unhappy>boobs off surgery scheduled in 2 days>sit down with mom and look through old album photos in the evening>she starts crying and says she misses her little girl and then starts apologizing to me for being "transphobic" for a moment>Finally something wakes up in my brain and i realize this is the biggest pile of bullshit ever>Cancel all shit and start de-transitioning as fast as i canApart from a lightly deeper voice which i hate, im fine now. But holy fuck i was almost mangled by a surgeon.Not one single person for a second tried to sit me down and talk me out of this, or make sure im ACTUALLY trans aka have the mental illness where one feels like he is born in a wrong body.They just saw a confused kid walk in, instantly shook head YES to everything i was confused about, and gaslighted me into spending tons of money on useless garbage drugs that did nothing but cause me endless list of health problems for a year. Like i would literally feel safer in a predators van than anywhere near these "medical proffesionals".Dont listen to fucking shrinks about being trans. They dont care whats in your pants or your head, they care about whats in your wallet
>>83442946idk where to even start with this. 3.8 BILLION dollars to you and your first world nation. All we do is give you people money. Can't you have it without taking our money every year? Furthermore can we have an ethnostate? Or just you people because you're the biggest victims in the world apparently.
>>83442946I do actually wanna know, why is it that the whole world hates israel now?I thought Hitler was supposed to be the bad guy, why are we now switching sides?My best friend is an israeli IDF soldier and he is the cutest and wholesomest boy ever, i love him so much. And whenever i mention him ppl are like "ur bestie is a terrorist". Like wtf
>>83442515>>83442680>Your hatred is the only evil thing here.>I am amazed at how mentally ill people, who know and admit that they are mentally ill, still trust their own perception enough to hold such ridiculous opinions. Maybe, your retarded opinions and views are another consequence of your mental illness, as that's literally the nature of it.>I think it's mental illness what causes the hate.What a load of tripe. A moral belief which is based on rational enquiry is not a mental illness, whether you believe it is right or wrong. For instance, a flat earther may come to the false opinion that the Earth is flat based on epistemelogical uncertainty, but this neither means they are irrational nor mentally ill. "Someone said it," "the experts said it," or "most people say it," are all insufficient for knowing something with any certainty. They become irrational when they circumnavigate the globe or their shipping boats are taking an inexplicably large amount of time relative to their competitors, who instead of traversing around Africa, India, and the coast of China to reach Japan before going around the same way and through Panama to reach California, just go straight to Japan through the supposed great ice wall.Now you say that having a mental illness is de facto a reason not to hold an opinion. Liberals and leftists tend to have worse reported mental illness than those on the right, with this study attempting to see if it is a result of a difference in how the two see mental health:>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12043138/Indeed, the study shows that the two have similar moods, but conservatives are more likely to report better mental health regardless of mood. This the researcherd admit does not mean it is because of conservative attitudes:*>Mental health and overall mood are not perfect synonyms, thus it may be true that conservatives have better mental health than liberals, but perform no better than liberals when it comes to overall mood.
>>83441891>be mentally ill>discover that you are mentally ill>time passes>still mentally illwow.. this has never happened before..
>>83442515>>83442680Which is understandable. The hedonic treadmill is the tendency for individuals to return to a baseline level of mood with respect to increasing or decreasing stressors or quality of life:>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmillIt is noted that subjective satisfaction changes, but overall mood trends to a similar baseline. In the former study on differences in mental health between liberals and conservatives, the reported increase in mental illness can be just that, a difference in mental illness. This can include transgenderism (yes, most transgenders are leftist and suffer from a mental disorder known as Gender Dysphoria, if you like) and this being a mental illness precludes their political views from being valid.If mental illness is the distinguishing factor in whether a political view or an individual's particular view is valid or invalid, why not examine the tendency for mental illness to be self-reported and diagnosed more frequently in leftists? Why not examine the very real tendency for transgenders to be more like to be leftist?You may say>Not enough research!>Maybe there are fewer diagnosed conservatives because of a stigma in conservatives against mental health treatmentPerhaps, but your statement did not have any sort of evidence to preclude OP's beliefs on basis of mental health. Any argument in this vein will only be turned back against you and used to justify OP.Many educated persons have questioned Jews. There is nothing inherently irrational about it. There is also nothing about "an idea that causes hate" that makes it irrational or mental illness. Communism often causes hatred of the bourgeoisie, but does this make it irrational? No.*Before you say something retarded, I already know self-reporting is different from real diagnosis. Leftists are diagnosed more and self-report worse mental health. The study itself admits mood is not mental health.
>>83443075tbf I saw my shrink for a little over a year before I got the diagnosis and I was around 23 at the time iirc. That and I've "given it some time" for going on 7 years now knowing I feel trans but not transitioning at all. My feelings haven't changed. That being said, I appreciate your warning. I have met multiple people who have detransitioned and it seems like hell. It's part of what keeps me can doing it bc I can see myself feeling the same way.
>>83443151>>83443159>>83442680So for a final point, it is ironically you making the irrational arguments, that particularly being that "you think" if a view causes hatred it is mental illness,>I think it's mental illness what causes the hateWhich is just your particular moralism and has no bearing on the reality of political positions, who believes them, and why. Does a Communist hate the bourgeoisie? Maybe or maybe not. But neither his belief nor the system of Communism is invalidated on the basis of his supposed hatred or the hatred the belief may cause. This is a very wildly irrational view from you.
>>83443107>3.8 BILLION dollars to you and your first world nationMost of that gets invested back into the united states. It's a mandatory part of the "grant" that this money is spent on US weapons companies. Over 250k US jobs are directly tied to this relationship. The US also gets to test their own weapons tech on real combat scenarios. The US has the strongest military in earth and to maintain that status, regular testing and innovations are extremely important.Grants to Israel don't even amount to 1% of US GDP.You could argue that this money should be spent in the US, which is a fair point. But not as simple as it sounds, as the money IS being spent in the US economy and furthering US interests. You could then argue for different uses, but then you should be specific and have a proposal.Israel has been having an argument about weaning off US economic support for a while, as the US has a lot of power over Israel. Netanyahu himself said not long ago that the plans to stop depending on US aid for are already in motion. None of this is ever mentioned when people "criticize" US grants to Israel. You only hear the amount of money and are shocked by a big number, without any context or anything else. >why can't we have an ethnostateIsrael is not an ethnostate. 2 million arab muslims have full citizenship, they make up 50% of the doctors, they serve in the supreme court, they serve in the military - high ranks too, etc. Mizrahi jews, Ashkenazi jews, Ethiopian jews, Indian jews, East Asian jews, Sephardi jews, all have very different ethnic makeups and racial differences, sure, they have the commonality of being jewish, but overlooking all the other differences is just nonsense. Israel is probably one of the most diverse countries in the world. Converts also have a right to citizenship, so people who don't even have any jewish dna are welcome, as long as they hold they same traditions.
>>83442515>>83443205I also suspect you are shaking and on the verge of spilling your spaghetti crawling through the study linked; I am not saying that there is a certain and unambiguous link between the left and mental illness. Only that there is enough that someone who believes mental illness should preclude political beliefs (on some unstated basis):>>83442515>I am amazed at how mentally ill people, who know and admit that they are mentally ill, still trust their own perception enough to hold such ridiculous opinions. Maybe, your retarded opinions and views are another consequence of your mental illness, as that's literally the nature of it.Would have more evidence that leftist beliefs should be critically analyzed on the basis of mental illness than this one (1) particular example from one (1) thread on one (1) board.
>>83443200well the most important part to me is that time. That you got time and years of seeing the personI dont know how good i portrayed the scary rapidness of how it happened to me, but it was not years, it was a matter of DAYS1 single therapist visit, and i was already told "yep you better start transitioning right now or ur head explode tomorrow"and within 2 days i had the drugs in my hand. Horrible, body and mind altering drugs, given to a 17 year old within days because i came in and said i was curious about trans stuff.Its crazy scary that this is legal and shit that we actually promote as "good and progressive".It literally took my mothers tears of sadness and disappointment to defibrilate my brain and realize i wasted a year of my life being a guinea pig for medical companies
>>83443159>If mental illness is the distinguishing factor in whether a political view or an individual's particular view is valid or invalid, why not examine the tendency for mental illness to be self-reported and diagnosed more frequently in leftists?This is a very strong argument against leftist ideas, yes. However, mental illness is not the sole distinguishing factor. I am merely pointing out that, often these hateful ideas are more common in people with mental illness. Mental illness being characterized as a distorted thought pattern, irrational beliefs and/or delusions. And so, political beliefs commonly held by mentally ill people are likely to be just another symptom of the illness itself, as they also often happen to be based on emotion first, and the emotions and thought processes of a mentally ill person are not to be trusted, as per what I explained above. >>I think it's mental illness what causes the hateThis is a fair criticism and I wrong in putting it like that. But the broader point still stands. >>83443240>Would have more evidence that leftist beliefs should be critically analyzed on the basis of mental illness than this one (1) particular example from one (1) thread on one (1) board.Many, in fact. Every single tranny advocating for child hormones, is an example. Foucault is another example. Even Marx himself is an example of such things. All people who started from a conclusion and then tried to intellectualize their way into it. >I suspect you are shakingIdk where this came from. But it sounds more like projection to me, wither that, or you were offended by what I said and want to picture yourself "epickly winning" an internet argument.
>>83443296I see. Then we agree and I retract all of my insults. I apologize for such a hasty assumption of you.
>>83443240You made 3 posts because you kept finding more thing to say, and ran out of characters, all to basically just say >yeah, there's a hugh correlation between leftist ideas and mental illness.While correlation doesn't mean causation, this should still be analyzed and scrutinized. Furthermore, my point wasn't about leftist ideas in particular, but hateful ones. Key emphasis on hate being an emotion, and mental illness being something that affects emotions as well as thought patterns, thus making the paradigm way more accurate than how you portrayed it. Finally, I don't even claim that all leftist ideas are born from mental illness, perhaps the more radical ones. Most people, including me, aren't really coming up with their own ideas. They retain and advocate for that which appeals to them, hateful, irrational ideas appeal to mentally ill people. This is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, one which has only been proven correct here. Not all the people who advocate for these ideas are mentally ill, but most mentally ill people advocate for them. It's pretty logical and plausible.
>>83441891Is it maybe that you think that if you'd look different you'd be treated better? That's kinda why I'm into crossdressing, though it's also about meeting ppl where they are for me.
>>83443340>but most mentally ill people advocate for them. It's pretty logical and plausible.Actually, idk about this. This was a reach, my bad.
>>83443352 (cont.)Also I didn't like myself to the extent that my face would warp and look like a hole in the mirror for two years or so... I just worked on other things and mostly didn't look in the mirror. But that could've been considered a body image issue.
>>83443311Fair enough. In a less antagonistic tone, I think that sometimes brilliance can be confused with mental illness, and just because most people don't see a pattern, it doesn't mean it's not there. Mental illness also offers new, different perspectives, which can sometimes lead to beautiful art in any form. It's complicated, as even the very term "mental illness" is a relative one, as the standard for what is desirable is somewhat arbitrarily chosen by the collective, although this doesn't immediately invalidate it. It's overall an interesting topic, imo.
>>83443340>You made 3 posts because you kept finding more thing to say, and ran out of characters, all to basically just sayI wrote the first three and added the last because I remembered that most posters copy and paste into chatgpt, get the summary, and then chatgpt usually performs a rhetorical trick to say something along the lines of>The research shows no... and its an assumption that...Without really comprehending the purpose of the cited source.>>83443357>Actually, idk about this. This was a reach, my bad.Yes I was about to say this. Actually, you are mostly right but I would say for a different reason. Normal, well-adjusted people tend to cluster their beliefs around what is safe and socially approved, and these happen to be things that, according to our present political environment, aren't "extreme."So I'd say it's more that being mentally ill, disenfranchised, etc., removes the motivation to be safe, not necessarily that mental illness is the reason for extreme beliefs. But because naturally normal people cluster to what isn't extreme, you will note that extremists tend to be more mentally ill.>>83443388Agreed. Also we may have very different political views but at least you are intelligent regardless of our differences.
>>83441891I'll top you regardless of what gender you identify as cute tomboy
