>tfw no communist gf
>>83446174you mean as a girl who shares her pussy with everybody?why would you want a gf like that?
>>83446174Why would you ever want to date a commie?
>>83446954>copingAll american zoomers do that, unless you believe your GF is 'pure hearted' and 'NatSoc' like you, right?
>>83446954Good point. Wouldn't a purist socialist society discourage monogamous relationships? I would even go as far as to say a pure socialist ideology would keep women as breeding cattle since that's the task they're best suited for while everything else is best suited for men.
>>83447283Women are more than just baby dispensers. Women are teachers, scientists, engineers, artists, doctors. Women are part of the working class and we share a struggle against oppression. We share a vision that all human beings are created equal.>>83447331One day, comrade.
>>83447432All the positions you enumerated can be done significantly more efficiently by men while women can conceive more children to improve society, unhindered and safe being kept as cattle. Isn't that what socialism is all about? From each according to his ability?
>>83447432I truly want to understand the appeal of socialism/communism so pls reply. What incentives would a guy have to become an engineer only to the same pay and status as a guy who mows lawns?
>>83447612you get a nicer apartment or something
>>83447482>All the positions you enumerated can be done significantly more efficiently by menOr trannies>>83447612The idea is that all your basic needs would be met. Strictly speaking, you don't need a lot of money to be happy
>>83447637WOWZA I'm a communist now
>>83447872Trannies require roids on top of the basic needs required, and even then still won't be able to perform as well as men.>The idea is that all your basic needs would be met. Strictly speaking, you don't need a lot of money to be happyBut what if having my basic needs met and maybe some extra on top isn't a big enough incentive to become a brain surgeon?
>>83447927>Trannies require roidsNot all troons are on hormones. Nowadays, you can just put on a dress, call yourself a she, and liberals will allow it>>83447927Incentives can come in other forms, such as praise from the community and extra resources. Socialism doesn't require subsistence living; it just requires everyone's material needs to be met
>>83448010>praise from the community and extra resourcesOk, and what if I use said influence and extra resources to buy property, land, amass wealth etc?
>>83448031Doesn't matter if the proletariat is taken care of. A common misconception about Marxism is that it attempts to flatten hierarchies completely. The actual goal is to flatten unjust hierarchies.
>>83448059>doesn't matterAnd what if I rent out the property, hire people to work my land and lend my resources while charging interest?
>>83448083Now it's time to call the vanguard >:(
>>83448089Hmm, then there's no incentive in becoming anything other than a blue collar grunt. As soon as I have any use for my "extra resources" the government would just take them anyway.
>>83448111Yeah, that's a real shame, isn't it?
>>83448136It is. Socialism is a system doomed to fail at its very birth.
>>83447612Thats one of the resons it failed, people literally lost the desire to participate in society
>>83447612The tip of the rifle is a good incentive anon, it worked for a long time in the ussr until the soldiers holding them also got sick of the shitty system.
>>83448275So basically just trample your most intellectually gifted and enterprising citizens to the ground until there are none left and your country crumbles under the weight of utter incompetence. Hmm, why does this theoretical scenario sound so familiar?
>>83448157Greedy people like you are going to destroy the world. The revolution can't happen soon enough.
>>83449258sorry socialists already destroyed the world
I see plenty of people who never read theory and just fell for amerikkkan red fear propaganda
>>83449681why would you read "theory" for something that has never once worked when implemented?
>>83449692to stop believing in that propaganda.
>>83449715but your propaganda is even worse?
>>83449715The latter half of the 20th century was dominated by an economic, military, scientific and cultural race between Capitalism as represented by the United States, and Communism as represented by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.What happened?What is the not propaganda answer?
>>83447612Socialism isn't when everyone gets paid the same.Socialism is when the working class takes conrol of the means of production from the capitalist class, who already appropriates most of the profit workers produce.Under a socialist society, the state is controlled by workers for the interests of workers aka dictatorship of the proletariat. The value of work might be lower/higher depending on the profession, but it's in the interest of all workers to at least have their basic needs taken care of.
>>83450598I urge you to read the whole conversation string then.
>>83450620I've read it, and it really doesn't reflect socialism/communism. It's just a bunch of misconceptions.
>>83450598What's the next step after the transitional dictatorship of the proletariat? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_stateA sign that communism is working as intended, at least according to Marx and Engels, is the withering away of the state. According to this concept of the withering away of the state, eventually a communist society will no longer require coercion to induce individuals to behave in a way that benefits the entire society.Which communist country was able to reach this phase of Communism, where things like the state or money withered away and became irrelevant. Was it Stalin's Russia? Mao's China? Ho Chi Minh's Vietnam? Kim's Korea? Castro's Cuba?Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge?
>>83450649Is wealth and the means of production centralized or not in a socialist society?
>>83450655Being myself from Castro s Cuba, I can attest it didnt achieved anything of that, all I did was pick up potatoes in the potatoes field without getting paid or getting pussy, so fuck communism.
>>83450739I'm very familiar with this phenomenon. The vast majority of people that lived in communist countries say that it has been absolutely miserable. It's only retarded westerners that romanticize it.
>>83450656>Is wealth and the means of production centralized or not in a socialist society?Wdym centralized? Centralized in the hands of the working class as a whole, yeah. Not centralized in the hands of individual owners.>>83450655>A sign that communism is working as intended, at least according to Marx and Engels, is the withering away of the state. Socialism is a transitional state between capitalism and communism. Essentially, socialism is the process to putting the means of production in the hands of the working class. During this period, the state serves a similar purpose as a capitalist state, to reflect the interests of its ruling class, only this time, the roles of reversed. The working class becomes the ruling class and the captialist class becomes the oppressed class (their assets are seized, etc etc.) Eventually, the capitalists are absorbed into the proletariat, and the state becomes more and more redundant for its purpose until industry is fully developed under the control of workers and it withers away entirely.
>>83446174Really? They're fuckin everywhere.
>>83450764I forgot to put that capitalism is a global system. As long as capitalists still control the means of global production, socialism must counter them.
>>83450739Didn't you love the rustic feel of 1950s style cars?
>>83450764>Centralized in the hands of the working class as a whole, yeah.I see, that means the working class democratically decides how the means of production are run right?
>>83450762Indeed, in reality it is just a tyranny, there is no next step or any equality at all, the higher ups live like pigs while everyone else lives in the shit, and that includes the worthless bitch who always supports it, this is probably the only good thing about it, the worthless hoe that tried to use the state to enslave men by collectivizing his productivity so she can be whore to Chad while being still provided for, ends up living like in the shit like an actual pig
>>83450812Nope, I love the extreme cooling AC of the dodge challenger 2025
>>83450764So who got to >eventually a communist society will no longer require coercion to induce individuals to behave in a way that benefits the entire society.What communist society didn't use force or coercion to compel people to act? Who didn't have Gulags and forced labor camps. The Soviet Union had classes, the Nomenklatura. There was the permanent shortage of consumer goods and services which resulted in the corruption of Blat and exchanging favors, and the Nomenklatura insiders got the most favors
The best way to do communism would be to shut capitalists out of a few key areas while letting them do whatever in the rest of the economy.BankingHousingFoodEnergyWaterComsArmsTransportHealthcareIf they want to sell plastic tat they can knock themselves out.
>>83450845Are all communists this fucking retarded?
>>83450845The best way to do communism is not to do it at all, as a liberal (free man) capitalist, I would rather not live anywhere near you, civilization away from your stupid crap, we auto guns surrounding our respective borders.
>>83450865Cool. Can we shoot bankers for fraud or do you believe that slavery is ok?
>>83446174communism bad. how many times do you need to be told this? how many more millions need to die just because capitalism isnt perfect? as if anything is
>>83450879Ok, we shot all bankers. Who runs the banks now, the cousins of the bankers we shot that run the government?
>>83450879There is nothing wrong with the business of banking in a truly free society, but this one isnt it, so we can shoot the commies bankers that use the central bank or federal reserve (in case of the US) because they are traitors to freedom and competition, they just send their orders to the money printing machine, what the actual fuck.
>>83450902No, have to shoot them also.Basically don't stop shooting people until you get a bank that doesn't work by printing infinity bucks and lending them at interest.This would solve the majority of economic problems.
>>83450879Economic freedom leads to prosperityBurdensome regulation leads to stagnation
>>83450925>This would solve the majority of economic problems.How? The world would literally collapse in a matter of hours and you'd be left at the mercy of looting niggers and other subhumans.
>tfw no nazi gf(male)
>>83450902>>83450925Have you seen in practice systems without bankers in power?It is a system where money provided by the state is worthless, and one where foreign currencies like US greenbacks or neigboring countries money are used for buying food paying rent and loading up your car with gas.Why do you not look at history, and how these past experiments worked out in practice?
>>83450973zimbabwe is not a realistic measure of anything. black people run zimbabwe, of course it's going to be dogshit.
>>83450952It worked astonishingly well for Hitler. So well that every central banker on earth went all in to destroy his country.
>>83450985https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_early_Soviet_Russia
>>83451009Is invading your neigbors and stealing their shit causing your other neigbors to unite to stop you from stealing shit really that surprising?The Munich Agreement made Germany's control of the Sudetenland legal. The invasion of the rest of Czechoslovakia in March of 1939 was illegal. As was the invasion of Poland on September 1st 1939
>>83450973Wouldn't that be because those societies recently collapsed owing to mismanagement by bankers and have yet to recover.Every instance of hyperinflation has an over enthusiastic banker behind it.
Thank you for bumping my post, anons. This increases my chances of finding the communist girlfriend of my dreams. You have no idea how much this means to me <3.
>>83451038Striking first given the inevitability of war isn't stealing anon. Its also tangential to the fact that shitting on the bankers turned Germany from a basket case to almost defeating the entire world in a few short years.
>>83451009Ok, you got rid of fiat currency and banks. How will you pay your debts to other countries? How will the citizens of your country gauge value of anything? How will you pay your military to protect you from the countries you owe money to? Is everyone on this board brain dead or something?
>>83451078Hitler didn't get rid of fiat currency. He just seized the power to print at 0% interest and spent money into the real economy with rebuilding and retooling.Reindustrialisation anon. You know, productive capacity as opposed to inflated asset prices.
>>83451073The real economic miracle was after 1945, not before itYou make a lot more money by being friends with everyonehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WirtschaftswunderThe Wirtschaftswunder was during the 1950s, not the 1930s or 1940s
>>83451121WikipedophilliaBe serious.Capitalists should know that you get more of what yoy subsidise. So factories or stock prices anon, what'll it be?
