At least not mattering that much. I've frequented "incel" forums for years and one thing that never clicked with me is the obsession with looks. Yes, there are some incels who are THAT ugly and THAT short, but we all know that is a fucking tiny minority among robots. Most of us are just MENTALCELS. It's all about not having the charimsa, the social skills, the connections, the magical "le confidence and humor", and about always having been the loser. The real problem in modern society is women having way too high expectations when it comes to personality. Having high confidence and an "adventerous" personality is not realistic expectations for most women. I always thought the obsession about looks was a cope. From observing reality most anons should realize that's not the entire truth, one sees average looking and average height guys with girlfriends, even hot ones, all the time. Being autistic or weird is a fucking cursehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktXm7CRXbsE
>>83478243Looks matter. Women's attraction is likely more narrative-based. But if you look attractive enough, that is basically building the narrative for you passively.Mid men who are successful basically mastered love bombing and lying to women. Fabricating a narrative that makes them interesting. Marketing themselves.Women love that shit and then wonder why the men who initially seemed so good turn out to be shit. It's because they willingly fall for lies.
>>83478319Thing is that at least 95% of men are "attractive enough" for a relationship. Not neccessarily with the hottest women but not total uggos either. The reason a lot of men fail is because the expectations for confidence, social skills and interest have become completely unrealistic these days. Again, I'm not deying that there are some unfortunate genuinely ugly/fat/short people who are held back by their looks, but those are a tiny minority among robots.
>>83478346Sure, I think that's true enough. But the focus on looks is likely because it's a thing you can genuinely improve and get feedback on, and it for sure helps out.Improving personality is way harder to quantify. And the most effective way to do so ends up in you becoming a manipulative person.I think women in general just have absurd expectations due to how privileged they are socially. They don't even really know what they want. They don't put in the effort to self-reflect or become interesting themselves and want constant external stimulation. So they want a man who helps alleviate their boredom, instead of learning to entertain themselves.Plus, the old provider expectation still exists, the stoic man expectation still exists, but men are also expected to take on more of the feminine roles. While expectations on women is shrinking.
>>83478420Point is that women really do not care about appearance as long as you're about average.>I think women in general just have absurd expectations due to how privileged they are socially. They don't even really know what they want. They don't put in the effort to self-reflect or become interesting themselves and want constant external stimulation. So they want a man who helps alleviate their boredom, instead of learning to entertain themselves.Yes we all know this and it's a problem>Plus, the old provider expectation still exists, the stoic man expectation still exists, but men are also expected to take on more of the feminine roles. While expectations on women is shrinking.Modern women actually hate stoic men in general, they want charismatic jesters, not genuinely masculine men. Problem is most men are naturally stoic.
I agree desu
>>83478243It's relative to your group.If woman has choice bettwen you and better looking guy she would choose better looking guy every time.
>>83478243I'm an attractive schizoid and incels are largely right. I had like a dozen different women trying to message me every single day during high school and early college before I deleted social media completely. I am not charismatic or good at texting either, I gave them mostly one word replies.
