>Rent controlUm, Objectively bad economic policy. Why are populists so brainrotted
>>83486141a better economic policy would be to kill the landlords but we're willing to compromise
>>83486159One of the many retarded takes of commies is the idea that economic realities are caused by moral deficiencies. Limited housing must be rationed. If it isn't decided by prices it will be decided by connections. Kill the landlords becomes kill the party officials when people realize the same thing happens with a different name for the class in charge.
>>83486305>economic realities are caused by moral deficienciesThis is true.
>>83486141>objectively badNot in regard to his desired outcome, which is political brownie points by saying he is helping the poor by forcing jews to keep rent prices low
>>83486305>One of the many retarded takes of commies is the idea that economic realities are caused by moral deficiencies.Incredible bait. Poe's law territory. I was actually annoyed for a moment. Really good stuff
>>83486305There is no limited housing you massive fucking retard
>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST LIMIT HOW MUCH JEWISH LANDLORDS CAN CHARGE THAT'S ANTISEMETIC
>>83486317Its not true, the moral deficiencies is the agents acting to further advance their own bottom line at the expense of others and restrict others from entering and advancing in their sphere. The old need to die so the young can take the reins, but society is built around prolonging everyones lives as long as possible and reducing any and all risk for those who already hold the chips
>>83486141>Um, Objectively bad economic policy. Why are populists so brainrottedbecause the average person is brainrotted.
>>83486141The rent is too damn highOREGANO
>>83486141Populism is brainrot. I hate them with a passion, both on the left and right. It's a sign of actual low IQ.
>>83486141Hmm ackshually I think you are a populist and you're just trolling :^)
>>83486534Social populism is different from legal populism. Saying "I am a racist just like you" is different from "I am on your side in this economy."
>>83486305>One of the many retarded takes of commies is the idea that economic realities are caused by moral deficienciesno communist ever said that
>>83486551It's not. It's the same sentiment, the same logic, the same lies, and the same motivation. Brainless retards.
>>83486561It's not the same logic. Saying "deport all immigrants" doesn't fix the economic situation, but improving the economic situation for a majority of people does.
>>83486551Actually>I share your social interestsAnd very often social interests are deeply connected to economic ones. This is the basis of certain ethnic movements, like the BLM in the USA or we could go further with less myopic ones like the Kurdish resistance.>I share your ethnic interestsEntails increasing economic and sociopolitical power for the ethnicity, for example. The only domain in which it becomes "stupid" or "irrational" is when it doesn't align with your subjective moral view.
>>83486305That's true. Leftoids want to steal away the hard earned wealth of landlords.
>>83486565That's a retarded equivalency. Populism is saying that a small portion of society, immigrants, cause most of your daily problems, and removing them will solve said problems. Populism focuses on making an enemy out of a small group, and pon the blame of all of society's ill on that group, creating a false dichotomy. After this, it focuses on telling you how much better you, the majority, are than this small group ruining everything. And finally, it makes retarded promises that appeal emotionally to the majority, like:>remove all illegals and the housing market will be fixed! >it's landlords' that keep proces high! I will fix it by freezing them! >those greedy jews, they ruined the economy! It is designed to appeal to wide, generalized groups, making broad statements that can't be actually translated into policies, or making incredibly stupid policies to hold up said promises. Saying "I will improve the economic situation for the majority of people!" Doesn't actually improve it. And rent control worsens it. But retards like you fall for it, because it plays on your notion of le ebil landlord taking advantage of the victimized majority. You don't seem to know what populism actually is.
>>83486574I disagree; a rising tide raises all ships.
@83486607Sorry fag, I'm not reading all that retarded shit.
>>83486141Rent control is easier than trying to fight the horrible zone regulations in the US and boomer home owners who will kill you if you even attempt to build more housing.
>>83486326>>83486141>>83486159did you fags get coped off of pol. commies having a melty lmao
>>83486607>>83486608>Populism is saying that a small portion of society, immigrants, cause most of your daily problems, and removing them will solve said problems.No, it doesn't. This is not what populism is.>Populism is a contested concept[1][2] for a variety of political stances that emphasise the idea of the "common people", often in opposition to a perceived elite.[3] It is frequently associated with anti-establishment and anti-political sentiment.[4]Many populist movements target small populations perceived to be, essentially, aristocracies, whether they are thought to be racial, political, or economic aristocracies enriched by the elite.To the populist, immigrants constitute a sort of ethnic aristocracy which is enriched by their tax money at the expense of the common proletariat and to the benefit of the ruling class, whether this is Jews (in a ploy to harm "le heckin' white people!") or the "elites" (to drive wages down and break unity). Whether you believe these are not true is a different problem entirely, and ruling class politicians certainly emphasize single elements of the problem (mass immigration) to deflect from themselves, but this is not what creates the definition of populism. The definitions of populism are not these specific one off policies, because populism is simply the appeal to the common populace at the expense of other groups. All specific policies reflect the particulars of a given political environment.Russian Communism in 1917 was populist. It targeted multiple groups of what it considered privileged elites, including the aristocracy, industrialists, kulaks (landowners) etc., and whether you want to believe it was good or bad, this economically focused populist movement was an utter disaster, and the Russians did not increase their standard of living faster than other capitalist nations, even ones racked by war. The rising tide ultimately did not raise all ships.
>>83486607>>83486678Now before you argue on certain theoretical frameworks for the form that populism takes, again, populism is not tied to immigration. The only way in which the two necessarily interact is that new groups (like immigrants) represent a new social and economic interest group that make compete with the economic and social interests of the "general populace" to which the populist movement appeals. This is why some writers say anti-immigration rhetoric is tied to populism, but again this is not universally true nor a definition of populism, and any number of economic or social conditions can invalidate it; the focus on immigration is a symptom of the unique situation of mass immigration in a globalized world, so of course this will be a concern.Whether that concern is stupid or irrational is solely whether it aligns with your morals.
>>83486678>but what about ships stuck on shore? gotchaaaaaI still disagree! Thank you for your valuable input.
>>83486678>No, it doesn't.>proceeds to explain exactly what I saidSee? I told you populists are retarded. It goes beyond though, gaining the support of the majority is done by exploiting the antagonistic sentiment towards this "other" group. And making deliberately false promises, using a vague language, like: I will fix the economy! Idk why you are mentioning the "one off policies". I said the support for something so utterly stupid as rent control is because it exploits the same sentiment. Rent control is seen as one way to stop the privileged elite from taking advantage of the people. Rent control is only a detail, a symptom, a shape of populism, but not the entire thing. Holy fuck.
>>83486708This is not an argument.>>83486714I am only telling you it is not attached to immigration, and then go further to explain why populism is not stupid or irrational because of individual policies or the straw men you have of populism, e.g., that>Populism is saying that a small portion of society, immigrants, cause most of your daily problems, and removing them will solve said problems.>remove all illegals and the housing market will be fixed!>it's landlords' that keep proces high! I will fix it by freezing them!>those greedy jews, they ruined the economy!These are all not necessarily true nor necessary elements of populism, and even if a particular populist government takes any one of these positions, it is not stupid or irrational. You flatten populism into these strawmen like>"I will improve the economic situation for the majority of people!" Doesn't actually improve it.Because populist governments do have particular solutions and reasons for their solutions, which may be inadequate for achieving their aims but no less so than any other political movement's intended policies. The actual opposition to immigration follows many concerns and there is as little belief that deporting migrants will fix the economy as leftists might have that increasing taxes will fix the economy. The problem is much more complicated.>And rent control worsens itYes, and this is not necessarily a move that populist groups will make. But we do agree that rent control is insanely stupid.
>>83486752Yes, I recognize that simply disagreeing with you isn't an argument. I recognize that you believe that giving poor people money wouldn't help the economy, but I believe the opposite, and so I must continue to disagree with you while recognizing that you have your own viewpoint. You have not changed my mind, nor do I think that I could change yours. I am willing to agree to disagree on this matter.
>>83486767This is only where rational discourse breaks down. It is fine where it comes to a matter of morals, e.g., you believe it is good to give to the poor regardless of the outcome (fiat justitia ruat caelum), but where there is the possibility of inquiring whether this is true or not, it becomes a will to ignorance.But at least it's not "bad." It is just a way to avoid critically thinking about your own positions.>heh I already do I'm just not going to do it on an anime board with a heckin' stupid troll!Fair enough, but I doubt that you really do.
>>83486305Ah yes, the only group of people dumber than communists: libertarians.
>>83486801It's axiomatic, dawg. You can't prove everything until you do it and it works to some degree.
>>83486752>You flatten populism into these strawmen likeNo. You aren't understanding what I'm saying. You built up your own strawman. >I am only telling you it is not attached to immigration, and then go further to explain why populism is not stupid or irrational because of individual policies I never said this. I understand why you think I did, you missed the point. >These are all not necessarily true nor necessary elements of populismYes, they are. Populism is an attitude, a strategy, not a particular movement with a defined ideology. That's why it can happen anywhere in the political spectrum. My criticism of the policies put in place by populists is that they are based on the false dichotomy they had previously established, friend/enemy, and in order to garner support of the majority they had to propose retarded policies that appeal to the emotional majority. Rent control isn't a policy born out of populism, support for rent control is. These policies are ALWAYS insanely fucking stupid or extremely radical and, when put in practice, they worsen the overall situation. >inb4 autistic reply about me saying "always"Fine, 90%. All populist political movements have failed and worsened their societies.My issue is that people are utterly incapable of recognizing populism for what it is, a cheap attempt at feeling empowered and garnering support.All political campaigns have populist elements, but only some of them are to be defined as a populist campaign. >>83486767We aren't even discussing particular politics, anon... we are quite literally speaking in different planes of analysis.
>>83486767>>83486801And if you want my actual belief outside these strawmen that get thrown around, I do believe it's fairly obvious that giving money to poor people will help the economy, without any doubt at all. Stagnant capital (money held but not used except for the accrual of interest) is toxic.
>>83486818>Yes, they are. Populism is an attitude, a strategy, not a particular movement with a defined ideology. That's why it can happen anywhere in the political spectrum.And this is why I say it is not attached to any particular policy. You need to stay on track, you are losing it. I am not arguing any of these random points; this idea, that populism encompasses any part of the political spectrum, is what I already said by including white nationalism and the October Revolution.Think before you post.
>>83486830>. You need to stay on track, you are losing it. I am not arguing any of these random points; this idea, that populism encompasses any part of the political spectrum, is what I already said by including white nationalism and the October Revolution.>Think before you post.Anon... I am telling you that this was my point from the very beginning. You're the schizo who started going off-track. But I'm done with it. You're literally just now realizing what I meant since the beginning.
>>83486141Don't worry he won't follow through on anything. Then you'll have retards lap it up as 4d chess because he fooled the doomsayers or whatever. See Trump, Obama, anyone who ever wins through populism, etc.
>>83486830Let me make it simpler for you.>>83486607>Populism is saying that a small portion of society, immigrants, cause most of your daily problems, and removing them will solve said problems.You say populism includes various particulars of policy. You want to argue that this was a generalization extended from>Populism focuses on making an enemy out of a small group,But then you would not be inventing particulars later on, which is what you are trying to avoid.>>83486678I say it does not.>>83486714>And making deliberately false promises, using a vague language, like: I will fix the economy!You then give several other particulars which are not necessarily true of populism. This is what I respond to:>>83486752>These are all not necessarily true nor necessary elements of populism, and even if a particular populist government takes any one of these positions, it is not stupid or irrational.I tell you again that these are various particulars that you are making up, for example, particular policies, and now that they make "false promises using vague language." These are not necessary, they are only strawmen.>>83486818You now say I don't understand your posts, when what is happening is that you are saying contradictory things.>My criticism of the policies put in place by populists is that they are based on the false dichotomy they had previously established, friend/enemy, and in order to garner support of the majority they had to propose retarded policies that appeal to the emotional majority.Which is again not necessarily true. You then say>>inb4 autistic reply about me saying "always">Fine, 90%.Fair enough. But now we are not discussing anything except your opinion on what you think is reasonable or probable and how much you like immigration or hate rent control. I am not interested in anything but detaching particulars from the concept.>>83486848You can read above if you want.
>>83486877Did Obama run on populism? I though he ran on that "HOPE" poster mostly
>>83486889Hopopulism
>>83486141He should put tarrifs on the landlords and then take them off, then put them back on, then pay the renters the money collected from the tarrifs.
>>83486582but black dynamite houses are supposed to be a human need, not a chip for boomerjews to use in their speculative casino
>>83486305>economic realitiesIt's so tiresome arguing with rightoids because none of you retards have anything resembling curiosity. Something is a certain way and that's just the way it is, pay no attention to any attempts to try to do it another way, especially don't pay attention if that other way has better results. Just let everything continue to get worse, don't do anything about it, obey the "invisible hand" of the free market even as it's squeezing your neck.
>you wanna lower the cost of housing? heh... you're just as bad as people who support the government kidnapping people>muh populismFaux-moderates are cringeBiggest example of Dunning-Kruger imaginable
