Ex-robot here, or possibly just an aging anon.I'm 32 now. At 30 I finally had enough and began a rapid transformation of my body. I lost 50 pounds at my peak, actually looked somewhat jacked, began a thorough and expensive skin care routine, and dropped about 14,000$ cumulatively on two different looksmaxxing surgeries. I have had no girlfriend for my entire 20s, but this last year I have dated two different women.Long story short, I left woman #1 because she was too annoying. She wanted me to talk to her constantly. If I woke up, worked a ten hour shift, left the work and went to the gym for two hours, I had just spent 13.5 hours doing things I don't want to do and don't enjoy. She said if I wanted to play a video game or watch a show at the end of the night, that I was "addicted" to a game and should pay attention to her. She started a gigantic fight with me because I told her not to gain weight or I would leave her.I left woman #2 because she would not stop eating junkfood. I dated her for four months, and in that time she had noticeably gained weight. Keep in mind, this is while I am a competing martial artist who works out multiple times a week and pay for a personal trainer. She stopped in the mall to eat cinnamon rolls while I stood there hungry and just looking around at all the other more attractive women. It made me depressed, I thought to myself "Is this what all the work was for? The nights I went to bed hungry? The hours and hours of exercise? The pain of recovering from surgery? Just to sit here and wait for this woman (My age) to finish her goyslop sugarrolls while I look around at all these younger, skinnier girls that mog her?"I left her two weeks ago so I could spend my entire christmas vacation gooning to pornography and playing video games in my room, and I don't regret it. This is significantly more enjoyable than having to pretend to enjoy being around her family or pretend to enjoy watching shitty TV shows together.I prefer escorts.
>>83490916>She started a gigantic fight with me because I told her not to gain weight or I would leave her.>I left woman #2 because she would not stop eating junkfood. I dated her for four months, and in that time she had noticeably gained weight... Yeah, standard female behavior now a days>Hey, don't do this one thing or else I have no reason to stay with you. >REEEEEEEE FUCK YOU I'M GONNA DO IT 100X MORE NOW AND YOU BETTER TELL ME I AM STUNNING AND BRAVE FOR IT>REEEEE WHY DID YOU LEAVE! I HATE ALL MEN! GRRRR!now to call out your cringe >Ex-robot herethis isn't an incel board. they are here, but this place is way more than that and not all robots are incels.
uhh. did you really wasted that 14 grand of usa doler.?
>>83490989>this isn't an incel board. Yes, it pretty much is. Increasingly moreso overtime to be honest, but it pretty much always has been. >... Yeah, standard female behavior now a daysI still can't get over how much she seethed about this. It was funny. Again, I preface this by saying that I have a personal trainer, I take martial arts very seriously because it saved my life and helped me stop being a complete loser who was weak and overweight, I am extremely active and if I wasn't, neither woman would have spoken to me or gave me a chance. I didn't even demand weight loss, I simply said do not GAIN weight. I was 31-32 during these instances, and the women were my age, so I made it clear I was dating with the intention of a long term relationship with someone who would become my wife. I didn't do all the work I've done just to end up like the depressed guy in the plapjak memes. >>83491010It wasn't a waste. Both surgeries gave me more confidence, more self esteem, more preparedness for the world, and to be honest have probably literally gotten me laid at this point. I'd directly suffering using money and pain (recovery, wound care, etc) to level yourself up in real life. Very few things honestly are more valuable than that.
>>83491025okay listen. hope that's not your dads retirement fund. you know surgeries are literally useless though? i am a chad without any. you need to inherit good genetics. nothing else to be done.
>>83491042>okay listen. hope that's not your dads retirement fund.It was money I inherited from my father dying when I was in my late 20s.>you know surgeries are literally useless though? i am a chad without any. you need to inherit good genetics. I agree with this blackpill to be honest. what you say is true. I have to devote hours of my time every week to skin care, working out, and pay for expensive surgeries just to occasionally get a small taste of what Chads are born with. You're right. However, my options are to die alone, never get any pussy, never feel good about myself, and be immediately forgotten by the world or I can grind, level up, lose the weight, gain the skills, clean up my skin, clean up my wardrobe, work on the career, ALLLLLL THAT for YEARS AND YEARS just to have the OPTION to OCCASSIONALLY get to touch a 6-10 girl without explicitly paying her for it. I guess that's what I am complaining about to be honest, that's the essence of this thread. Literally years of consistent, hard effort, just to have to deal with obnoxious 30 year old women who are slightly overweight. However, I have noticed something sad and disturbing after "touching grass" and "getting out more". I see accomplished, jacked martial artists at some of the tournaments I go to. They literally are in great shape, some of them 6+ foot tall white chads, lots of friends, interesting hobbies, etc. Half of those dudes still have obese girlfriends. It's a massive blackpill. Unless you're like, a literal kid in school or college and under the age of 25 and dealing with women under the age of 25, it feels like fucking 85% of these cunts are obese. I didn't devote years, YEARS of my life to transforming myself inside and out just to become a plapjak who has to fantasize about porn stars to actually cum to my mid tier obnoxious girlfriend who I only "settled" for because I can't get anything better. (She only settled for me because she couldn't lockdown a Chad earlier in life).
>>83490916In my case, been with my first GF since 24 for now 4 years. I've only recently decided to start taking care of my health and lose weight (I was very skinny before I met her), while she's only lost weight and gotten hotter. We get along well and every argument ends with compromise and a solution. I think you deserve a hot gf, but you also gotta realize that all the looksmaxxing just gives you more opportunities, you still gotta learn how to deal with girls and how to date them.
>>83491103I never had a single fight with the Cinnamon Roll Girl in 4 months. Not once did we have a nasty or heated disagreement. I was with her until I realized I simply wasn't attracted to her anymore and I was out. It actually caused me to self reflect a lot in the last week. I've realized that a woman could be as comfortable and easy going as possible and I still won't want to be with her if she is less attractive than the strippers working the pole down the street from me. If a woman cannot compete with an evening of video games and pornography alone in my room, there's simply no point. There are times I would sleep over her apartment and not touch her because I enjoyed myself more jacking off to stuff I found online. That seems like it's more her fault than my fault. I'm just saying the average woman, no, the vast majority of western American women, are literally not worth giving up your solitude to be with. If you've reached your late 20s, mostly alone, and have conquered your mental trauma and have learned how to be happy, healthy, and productive on your own (all the things needed to actually get to a point in your life where you can attract a woman to begin with) then all adding a woman to your life will do is give you a bunch of chores and wasted time and money. It is unironically preferable to just be an escortcel than it is to date the average American woman. I know that there are women out there that are net positives and not net negatives, but I think really only 20% or less of women fall into that category. And those are almost all scooped up by top genetics Chads. Certainly none of them are single past the age of 26.
>>83491154>We never argued in 4 monthsI gotta tell you that 6 months to a Year is usually the Honeymoon period. If you had stayed with her, she would've eventually gotten comfortable (even more) and argued with you, part of relationship is being able to deal with conflict eventually. I never had a single argument with my GF until a year or so in, but for a period afterwards we would argue constantly - until we learned that there were usually better ways to figure things out.>Women can't beat videogames or pornYou're right, but they shouldn't have to compete. I love playing games for my GF to watch or watching TV together and discussing it afterwards. It's nice to share a hobby with someone who actually cares and listens. I've never watched porn with her, but she's never ever complained about me looking at it.>Women are workYou're absolutely right here. You should only get one if you're ready for extra work. But on the other hand, extra work can bring big benefits to you, just like exercise or a job. In this case, having intimacy and motivation to do better are life-changing if that's what you're missing, at least in my case. It's helped me start working on my life, my job, my finances, it just helped me care more about life in general.Though you should take time for yourself, like I said, relationships are only worth it if you want one.
>>83491025>Yes, it pretty much is. Increasingly moreso overtime to be honest, but it pretty much always has been.It isn't or else I wouldn't be here. I even talked with the board before the 4chan hack about how this feels like the only place that isn't botted to hell and I always thought it was an incel board and was told what I am telling you now.Best way I can describe /r9k/ is its /b/with a spam filter and effort requirements to reply. I will say it is a lot more relationship focuse than other boards, but I like the topic of relationships so I like it here.
>>83491224I've been coming here since 2012, you're just simply wrong. There's no need to discuss it further since I've been coming here almost daily for over a decade now. I've seen it with my own eyes, I've been participating in it. >>83491222I think a significant difference in our lived experience is that we are in completely different places in our lives and have different priorities.>It's helped me start working on my life, my job, my finances, it just helped me care more about life in general.You needed a gf to push you to improve or care about those things, as well as your health. I made the journey entirely on my own. If you got with a woman at 20 and I got with a woman at 31, you'd have been a young man learning how to navigate the world and find your place in it (And to be honest, if you're 24, you still are) while I'm done with all of that shit already. There isn't anything I NEED a woman for, I already have my shit together. Technically, I don't even need a woman for sex, I know how and where to find the kinds of women that will take care of those things for me for a price. Perhaps the final blackpill is that when you reach this age, around the time that women hit the wall HARD, men also hit a mental/emotional wall. I unironically feel too self reliant to take any women seriously. I have my shit together at this point, I'm confident, happy, secure, etc, but it's exactly because of all of that that NOW at this middle stage of my life I simply will not settle for any of the women that are close to my age. I did all this work so I could fuck attractive women. If I'm going to have an overweight woman in her 30s to cuddle with at night, I would unironically enjoy myself more just gooning to 10/10s and playing video games and watching anime. It's honestly pretty fucking sad.
