Which is the better life?
Well I'm employed but I still can't afford to take care of myself so idk
>>83519739they're different flavours of shit. depends which one is more prefferable to you
>>83519739That probably deeply depends on your personality, lifestyle, and what kind of job you have or how you obtain money while being unemployed.
>>83519739During the holidays I start going to the gym, dieting, programming, reading and writing books. When work starts I do fuck all. I don't have the energy.
>>83519739I'm an unemployed man that really wants to be employed. I'm "free" but broke so it's not like I can really do much. I'm not respected and considered mentally ill by others because my bedtime is 4 in the morning. No place wants me though, can't get an interview. I'm unemployable.
>>83519739Employed for sure because I can't get any gibs. I don't want to be homeless and starving.
>>83519739I've been NEET for years and I've worked for years. Working is better. Sometimes you prefer you weren't working but having the money and something to occupy yourself with that's productive and something you can improve in is much better for your mental health. The guy in the webm is a drone who has begun to idolise his routine though. I would not want to be him. I bet he would eat ze bugs und live in ze hive
My fulltime job doesnt pay a living wage but being an unemployed incel is way worse than being an employed incel
Employment doesn't look like that anymore, that's about 5 years outdated.What it looks like now is working a shift at 3 different locations and then you come home to roommates.
>>83521451>source: I just made that shit upUnless you're an unskilled shitter? You have worked towards being valuable and not a grocery bagger... right?
idk dude the street samurai made me change sides
>>83519739I was generally unemployed from 2008 until 2017, and managed to not only avoid homelessness, but even living abroad (with my parents). I feel it's better to be employed, mainly because>I have my own place, thus my own rules>I can stay up and be on my computer/vidya as long as I want>I rely on NO ONE>I can go anywhere I want any time I want, and I don't have to answer up to anyoneYeah, my boss kicks me in the teeth every week, but at least I don't have to deal with my Boomer parents' constant bitching anymore. They're going to divorce soon anyway.
I've had a full time job and also long term neetdomunemployed is better. Maybe that's just me though. I hate interacting with the world and I literally did nothing with excess income except spend it on more alcohol. I'm probably an outlier though. I could live like a neet forever. I could have a small apartment with the bare necessities for my entire life and be content.
>>83521734>I could have a small apartment with the bare necessities for my entire lifeAnd how are you going to get this without working? Who is going to provide this for you?
I don't mind working, I just hate having a job.Call me immature, but I do believe I'm smarter than the people I have to answer to, I hate not being able to take a break whenever I want, I hate having to appear busy even after my work is done, I hate that I'm judged for being an introvert etcBut I'm not just complaining, I've been working on something of my own and time will tell who's right, me or everybody else.
>>83519739What kind of potion is he making towards the end of the video
>>83519739Employment desu. As dreadful as it can be its nothing compared to being home all day living like a scumbag and having nothing going on with your life.
>>83519739Both suck ass but unemployed is better the same way freezing to death is better than burning to death, you're broke as shit but at least you have freedom 24/7
>>83522876Your analogy is fucking retarded anon. Are you coping or stupid?
>>83519739Unless you somehow have a good and reliable money stream then your unemployment is temporary anyway. But that aside, they both have good and bad things about them.
>>83522879>Are you coping or stupid?That's the question you should be asking yourself, I don't expect much from a single digit iq nitwit like you to understand how this analogy relates to the topic, but the point is that being employed vs being unemployed is a pick your poison scenario, however it's pretty much better to choose the unemployment poison rather than choosing the employment poison, similar on how freezing to death is less painful than burning to death. Now do you understand retard?
>>83522896>provide analogy>it's like DYING>but dying in different ways!Yeah, I get that retard but it's a false equivalence. How are you going to support yourself whilst unemployed? The analogy is retarded because without support whilst unemployed, you will starve. However, whilst employed, it is sometimes uncomfortable but you will have the means to support yourself and live. The analogy does not fit.>inb4 yeah but both suck and i'm a histrionic bitch so being uncomfortable is LITERALLY like death to me
>>83522924>How are you going to support yourself whilst unemployed?Live with your parents and do whatever you want from that point, you're not homeless but you'll have a shit ton of free time and be very bored with your day to day life but the freedom comes when you can choose to do whatever you want even if it means choosing to be a wageslave. Being employed (which most people are involuntarily) means you're under a totalitarian system you cannot rebel or escape from otherwise you are thrown into the streets if you don't have parents to NEET with (which most wageslaves have that circumstance). Anyways I'm tired as fuck so goodnight nigger faggot.
>>83522553work in the public sector, I do whatever I want really>clock in between 6am to 10am, leave between 2 to 6, whenever I wish>get flexi time so can leave whenever I want if I'm bored of work>3 days wfh>take breaks whenever, no one monitors me, can log in then go take a 40 minute shitting session, can even go for a walk around outside>no one monitors how long I'm on break for>targets so low that I exceed them monthly without even trying, get bonuses because of this>have access to youtube, books and any streaming whilst in office, if not in office do all my work in 2 hours then do whatever I want such as gym, guitar, vidya, cooking etc>management is very friendly>the actual job is interesting because I'm accessing peoples criminal history and get to read all the detailspublic sector is based
>>83522971lmfao. So not only do you change the dynamic to being an unemployed parasite but you're also so stupid that you think your parents can and will support you into perpetuity. >I'm tired as fuck so goodnightHahaha hard day of nothing hey buddy?
>>83519739It genuinely depends on who you are as a person. Just as a NEET will never understand a workaholic, a workaholic will never understand a NEET. One thrives on productivity while the other thrives in idleness. Which lifestyle is better for you depends on where you fall on the spectrum.
>>83523024How does a NEET support itself? Seems like it is ultimate slavery, beholden to the whims of whomever is sustaining it. There is no future. Some NEETs like to claim their time is valuable but it really isn't. They can't purchase anything or, if they have very limited funds from scabbing from their parents or society, they're increasingly unable to consume due to price increases. They live cheaply, will never own valuable assets, will never begin to experience what someone with money can experience. But they can watch cartoons and play Pozzed Vidya Slop #29 on their outdated rig because AI has made RAM, GFX cards and storage too expensive for him. It's not even about being a workaholic or enjoying idleness. There's absolutely nothing to enjoy because they have nothing and never can have anything. It is a prolonged physical and spiritual death.
>>83523060And that's why I say some are more suited for it than others. Not everyone can be content with as little as they have, with no desire for more.
>>83523070That really ignores the point. If you are content with nothing then why do you exist? It's not a consumerist question, it's a teleological question. It sounds like what you're doing is making do with what you have whilst you wait to die.
>>83523089Not that whole anon but your entire premise falls on the "must be productive or life is pointless" philosophy which I don't support, as a neet of almost 20 years. That's how you end up with people working when they are elderly to "get out of the house because they didn't know what to do with themselves" even after retirement. I don't live to work and it's only when absolutely necessary I work to live. I don't have to justify my existence with x amount of labor
>>83523060There are a shit ton of different ways to make money without a job. I'm literally doing it right now. >Donate plasma twice a week = $100>Collect cans and bottles from bins (10 cent deposit in my state) = $15 to $30 a week, more in the summer time>Snowblow sidewalks = $20 each>Mow lawns = $20 eachI don't even do metal scrapping since I can't be bothered to learn all that shit and I don't want to make my yard look like a mess, but I know dudes with no jobs who just do that and make pretty decent money. Selling drugs is another way, you can easily make money selling weed and adderall to people.
As a neet i can do stuff like: workout, eat healthily, go to sleep and wake up when I want, go to a coffe shop in the middle of the day, draw or just watch youtubeThe main issue with a job is im low energy autist. I know for sure when I have a job I just lie in bed all the time im not working cause im 0 energy Neetdom is temporary ofc I'll end up being a bum on bennies but than again, working means in my case having no energy for nothing else including a gf
>>83523089>If you are content with nothing then why do you exist?The key word here is content. While you look at their lives and see nothing but emptiness, they see themselves as having everything they could ever want, hence their contentment. They are not miserable, so they have no reason to want to kill themselves. What you have to remember about true NEETs is that they do not think like normal people do, or want the same things as they do.
>>83519739I was on strike for 2 weeks in April and I was happier than I'd been in years. Getting to live like a 19-year old again was kino.
>>83523106>i sell my body and dig in bins like a rat for money>btw I also work small jobslmfao I sweat this board attracts absolute brainlets>>83523133>they see themselves as having everything they could ever wantBut that's not true and is a cope. If you offered them something new or more money to purchase what they wanted they would accept it. What you're describing isn't contentment but resigned acceptance.>What you have to remember about true NEETs is that they do not think like normal people do, or want the same things as they do.>NO TRUE NEET! Just such low tier arguments.
>>83519739I fucking hate working so really for me it comes down to money. I will work and save/invest like crazy until my inheritance kicks in and I retire. But if I'd been born rich enough to never work, I would have never worked. I simply don't want to spend 8h every day working and I view it as slavery. The world never really moved on from slavery, the elites just dressed it up a bit and gave us distractions to take our mind off the fact they're oppressing us. Unless you have enough money to opt out of slavery, you are fundamentally not free.
Being a NEET with some disposable money is the best. I get 200 bucks a month to spend on whatever I want, and everything I need is covered for by my parents. I can usually just ask "hey can I get xyz" and they'll allow it so I tend to spend the money on dnms on drugs to make life a bit more enjoyable. Ideally I would like to go back to uni, but right now am far too mentally ill to do so. This is also why my parents support me, my mental illness prevents me from doing much of anything, including socializing which really sucks because that's probably the worst part about NEETing.Overall I'd rank itUni>Job with degree>Leeching>Waging>Broke NEET
>>83523256>i sell my body All jobs are selling your body in some way, retard. At least by donating plasma you're helping people who would die without it. I just watch TV shows on my phone the entire time I am there anyways so it isn't even work to me. >btw I also work small jobsTemporary odd jobs, yes. That isn't the same thing as employment.>lmfao I sweat this board attracts absolute brainletsYou made a hasty generalization about all NEETs, acting like we all have literally $0 in our pocket at all times and can't buy shit, just begging for food scraps or something lol. I upgraded my PC like five months ago. I have $4,873 in my bank account right now and have never been employed in my entire life.
>>83523385>All jobs are selling your body in some way, retard>I'm going to be a pedantic little bitch and nobody can stop me>At least by donating plasma you're helping people who would die without it. I just watch TV shows on my phone the entire time I am there anyways so it isn't even work to me.>I save shitskin lives and I can do it whilst watching netflixslop on my phone>Temporary odd jobs, yes. That isn't the same thing as employment.You have a job, you pedantic retard.>acting like we all have literally $0 in our pocket at all times and can't buy shit, just begging for food scraps or something lol>I upgraded my PC like five months ago. I have $4,873 in my bank account right now and have never been employed in my entire life.Yes, anon. $4,873 is nothing. You have scraps. If your car dies, your fridge, your washing machine (unless you're American, they seem to have a weird culture regarding laundromats), your PC, you get sick and need hospitalisation, etc., you're financially ruined. I'm not even shitting on you (even though you are probably a leech). I'm this >>83521424 retard so it's not like I haven't lived the NEET life for years. I did it years ago and the most I ever had was $6k. I felt like a King. But, if you're currently young (under 25), you'll come to realise how much NEET life fucking sucks, it kills your soul and you become a husk of a person. If you're older then I bet you already feel it to a degree. Start studying anon, and get a skill. Get the fuck away from being a NEET. You'll thank yourself later.
>>83523504>$4,873 is nothing.Not him but having almost 5k makes him richer than the vast majority of normies, who are debtfags living paycheck-to-paycheck. They are in an even worse situation than anon if an emergency happens. 59% of americans don't even have $1000 saved for an emergency. Like you, I've also been a NEET and a wagie and so many people don't realize that your actual wealth is not how big your paycheck is, but how you manage it. A NEET who is smart with the donations he gets from his parents is still going to be financially better off than a retarded normie who jumps into a 30yr mortgage and buys a bunch of garbage using Klarna.
>>83519739Both are equally shit for different reasons. I alternate between NEETing and working fixed term tech jobs. 1 year on, 1 year off for the last ~8 years. When I'm a NEET I tell myself I'm going to lift and study and meditate and work on creative projects all day, but end up just sliding back into gooning and 16-hour MMO sessions. When I work I tell myself I'm going to enjoy the income and start treating myself, but the frugal boy lifestyle is so ingrained that I still just live like a NEET, eating rice and beans and never spending a penny.
>>83523543>Not him but having almost 5k makes him richer than the vast majority of normies, who are debtfags living paycheck-to-paycheck. They are in an even worse situation than anon if an emergency happensThis just isn't true. Normies have sick leave and annual leave to draw on in order to continue receiving an income if an emergency happens. A percentage of normies will also have income protection and health insurance, whether purchased or as job perks. They're not even close to being in the same position. They also have the potential to recoup their losses more quickly due to their ability to earn. The difference between 1k and 5k when you're working is a couple of weeks.>Like you, I've also been a NEET and a wagie and so many people don't realize that your actual wealth is not how big your paycheck is, but how you manage it. A NEET who is smart with the donations he gets from his parents is still going to be financially better off than a retarded normie who jumps into a 30yr mortgage and buys a bunch of garbage using Klarna100% agree with you here to a degree. However, unless the NEET comes from rich parents, he'll never be able to become self-sustaining without working. I used to live off of NEETbux pre-COVID. Post-COVID, that shit is not enough to get you a house by yourself anymore. The retarded normie is still able to declare bankruptcy and start again. They have avenues to save them from themselves. Regardless, I think this distracts from the original question, which is not about financial literacy, but about work and its benefits per se. The worker with their options, even if limited relative to other workers, still has more choices available to them than the NEET. Additionally, the number of those choices is more likely to grow whilst the NEET's number of choices is likely to reduce over time.I'm just trying to present an alternative opinion because I spent every day on this board for years.. I wish I had started on my career then, rather than now.
>>83519739I WANT A JOB SO I CAN PAY FOR SCHOOL AND MENTAL HEALTHCARE WITH TRICARE AND TA BUT I HAVE ADHD AND ALWAYS STRUGGLE COMPLETEING ONLINE APPLICATIONS!!!I WANNA PAY FOR MY DOG'S HEALTHCARE, GET DENTAL, FIX MY DIET, DRESSUP LIKE IM NOT HOMELESS, STOP RELYING ON MY MOM!!!!WHY IS EVERYTHING ONLINE!!?? GIVE ME A FUCKING PEICE OF PAPER!!A
>>83523588>Normies have sick leave and annual leave to draw on in order to continue receiving an income if an emergency happens.Maybe if you're in Europe like me. In the US from what I hear, you can get fired for not showing up to work because you're sick. Also, in my country sick leave is not your full wage, but like 70-80% of it.And you have to factor in that NEETs tend to be debt-free and with no wives/kids. They can survive with no income a lot better than a normie who gets sick and suddenly he has to pay his mortgage, support his kids and keep his wife happy from 80% of his paycheck... I agree it's best to stop being a NEET if your parents aren't filthy rich, but once you get a job, the best thing you can do is keep living like a NEET and invest/save most of what you make. I got a job 2yrs ago but I still live rent-free with my parents. It's crazy how easy it is to save money and multiply it when you don't have normie bullshit like a mortgage and kids slowing you down.
>>83519739One will kill you. The other will make you wish you were dead.
>>83523626>Maybe if you're in Europe like me. In the US from what I hear, you can get fired for not showing up to work because you're sickThis is where we might have issues because we're speaking hypothetically. Regardless, we're both not American.>Also, in my country sick leave is not your full wage, but like 70-80% of it.Different to here which is 100% but, even then, if a normie is sick for a week and receives 70-80%, they're still likely to earn more in that week than the NEET might in 2-4 weeks.I think this is just pedantry though because>the best thing you can do is keep living like a NEET and invest/save most of what you makeI agree completely. I've got normie bullshit like you said but we're still saving. I'm glad you escaped the trap anon. I hope you're happy bro
If you are a true neet chances are you have some kind of mental illness or developmental disability that made you give up on interacting with society. With the right doctor and diagnosis you can make a disability claim assuming you aren't in a shit hole that doesn't recognize those as disability. For me it was autism. A lot of you terminally online types that gave up on society are likely to have autism. Our way of thinking and low social skills makes you universally rejected so it's only logical to give up.
>>83523679>Our way of thinking and low social skills makes you universally rejected so it's only logical to give up>Autism's raison d'etre is to satisfy othersHuh, who knew?
>>83523679>just become dependent on a state that hates you and will one day randomly cut your bennies for being white and male Dogshit take. Better to be a 120 IQ burger flipper than dependent on the state for handouts.
>>83520472>During the holidays I start going to the gym, dieting, programming, reading and writing books. When work starts I do fuck all. I don't have the energy.I know this feel and it feels fuckingawful.
>>83519739They're both shit. This guy is just a boring loser no matter whether he's employed or not.
I hate working and I hate having a job, I don't even spend money outside basic necessities and in my spare time I'm home either playing vidya or jerking off.I wish I was a neet again
>>83523718isn't this pic from that song Ferris Wheel?
>>83523689Why do you think Chris chan lost his mind and went schizo? He couldn't please anyone no matter what he tried so he ended up inventing characters that he could.
>>83524011Chris is an autistic who thought that he was famous because he got attention via winning a competition and his subsequent YouTube posts. What you're saying is a complete non sequitur. >well if thing not good, why other thing bad? checkmate atheists ;)
>>83521502same. that sword sheathing was legit
>>83523271if you dont mind me asking, what mental illness or illnesses is it?
>>83524066PTSD. I've been ideating suicide for years now as a coping mechanism for stress, and my PTSD was brought on by me finally breaking and trying to kill myself. It took years for them to figure this out, but even now I've been using suicide as a coping mechanism and escapism for so long now that it's probably going to take years to properly recover. Bascially what happens is I get stressed, and then I think about killing myself. But because that thought causes me to remember my trauma from my previous attempt, it makes me even more suicidal and so on and so forth. At the very least I'm still only 23 and have a serious medical condition that's caused me to be in this place, but it still sucks knowing that I could've graduated uni at the same time as the couple of friends I made in high school. I've kind of grown apathetic to the massive age difference between me and the classmates I would have since I wouldn't make friends or heaven forbid get a girlfriend regardless if I started uni at 18 or 23.
>>83524066His mental illness is under-socialisation and a subsequent drug addiction to cope.
>>83519739it dependsbeing a rich neet means you won have at lifebeing a poor neet means you're just one level below the wageslave, because the latter will regret being alive as much as you do, but he has food to eat and a safe place to sleep atso ideally you want to work and live like a monk in the meantime to save up cash, then go neet for a few months or a year from the saved up money>but bro how are you going to save up money for a car, kids, family and a house????surely we will experience a prolonged period of prosperity, anytime now! surely it's around the corner, yeah? so you better continue the rat race!
>>83524197>PTSD. I've been ideating suicide for years now as a coping mechanism for stress, and my PTSD was brought on by me finally breaking and trying to kill myself. It took years for them to figure this out, but even now I've been using suicide as a coping mechanism and escapism for so long now that it's probably going to take years to properly recover. Bascially what happens is I get stressed, and then I think about killing myself. But because that thought causes me to remember my trauma from my previous attempt, it makes me even more suicidal and so on and so forthWhat is the trauma? >At the very least I'm still only 23 and have a serious medical condition that's caused me to be in this place, but it still sucks knowing that I could've graduated uni at the same time as the couple of friends I made in high school. I've kind of grown apathetic to the massive age difference between me and the classmates I would have since I wouldn't make friends or heaven forbid get a girlfriend regardless if I started uni at 18 or 23.This is self-absorption.>what i could have been>what i could be doingBut you weren't and you aren't. It's not a direct comparison. Stop being retarded.
>>83524202>word salad engagement with a hypothetical>no actual statement regarding his own position, just pissy pessimism because he isn't happy
>>83524209>What is the trauma?>my PTSD was brought on by me finally breaking and trying to kill myselfIt's probably something deeper, but based on the diagnostics they've done so far it's the best explanation.>stop being so self absorbed>weren't and aren'tYeah those are two fair points. It's difficult to work on, but necessary.
>>83524219sorry for overloading your pea brain with words little fellatake some adderall for it
>>83521502Yeah, I'm quitting my job and signing up (begging to join) a koryu school posthaste
Lmao, bottom is the most npc shit I've seen in a while.Combing your eyebrows is gay as fuck and he looks like he's about to blow his brains off when he looks into the mirror.
>>83522971>Live with your parentsNot everyone has that luxury, retard. Also they aren't living forever. What happens when they die? They going to give you an inheritance? It better be enough to cover property taxes that rise every year plus utilities and necessities. If you don't pay the taxes the government kicks you out of the house regardless if the mortgage was paid off.
>>83523271So you're a parasite. What happens when Mommy and Daddy die? Have you even thought that far ahead? I hope they are giving you an inheritance that will cover you for the rest of your life, I doubt it.
>>83523612>WHY IS EVERYTHING ONLINE!!?? GIVE ME A FUCKING PEICE OF PAPER!!ABecause it's soon to be 2026, my guy. Get with the program.
>>83523626>In the US from what I hear, you can get fired for not showing up to work because you're sick.That is only the case if it is a constant thing. If you show up with a doctor's note by law they can't fire you. Also the people complaining about America not having benefits work shitty, entry-level retail/service industry jobs. If you have a real, grown up job we get the same benefits that you Euros brag about and then some. It's called don't get a worthless degree and be a barista at Starbucks.
>>83523695>Better to be a 120 IQ burger flipper than dependent on the state for handoutsThere's no real difference. Wagies are at the bottom of the totem pole of workers. The corpos they work for care about them as much as the government cares about them; ie not at all. Though it's usually easier for a company to fire you than for the government to take your bennies. Instead, Mr. 120 IQ should use all that brain power to acquire a valuable skillset and get a real job.
I don't know which is better, but I know I need to work in order to survive LOLIf I don't go to work I'll fucking STARVE LMAOROFL EVENMy parents are dead and/or dying and I'm not a cool bohemian with a million friends to couch surf and mooch off of, so if I don't work I'll have to commit suicide or allow myself to die a slow, painful death of preventable causes, because I can't afford basic medical treatment. I wish real life was like Kenshi, where you can still make it even as a quadriplegic, but alas...
here's my experience>unemployed-read books everyday-program and work on my cool fulfilling projects everyday-play vidya everyday-can focus on my diet and cook all my meals-have time to workout-8 hours of deep sleep-enough time to hang out with my gaming buddies and play vidya-no stress so enjoy things way more-no money means i make my dad spend a little more on groceries I GUESS>employed (2 months)-company scams and treats me like shit-stress of being fired and not be able to support myself or make car payments-unfulfilling work-8 hours work + 2.8 hours of commute-5 hours of sleep on average during a weekday-most of my salary dissipates just to be able to go to work (rent + car payments)-no time to cook, workout, and the stress are all probably slowly making me uglyworking is a scampeople used to work with the expectation of starting a family but most of you wont be able to get that.
>>83524699I literally called myself a leech lol. My parents will probably leave me a non substantial amount of money or real estate, but my dad is significantly younger than my mother so I probably won't get much out of an inheritance. If I'm still mentally fucked by the time they're both dead and I cannot sustain my lifestyle I'll apply for canadian NEETbux.
