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They are fruits of the same tree. I am submissive because of my personality, temperament, bad experiences and general loserdom. I am an incel for the same reasons.

I can only speak for myself but I think that sexually confident women are hot. It's like the opposite of me.
I guess my experience as a man has been emasculating one. I have a small build and low testosterone, low masculinity.

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im a long time incel loser and i'll take anything at this point, whether it's femdom, feetdom, or cookingdom. just give me a gf already, damn it.

>>83625810
Because too many are repressed troons.

>>83625810
Its the idea that they are so much loved or "needed"/wanted that someone wants to own them. The idea that someone that feels currently unloved finds someone that is so obsessed with them that they literally cant defend themselves over her love

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Sexual confindence is sexy.
>When I see a timid girl, I want to headpat and comfort her. It's the protecc scenario in my head.
>When I see a cocky, confident, strong woman, I want to play out that powerstruggle in bed and come out on top (or, well, on bottom). Dominant women present a challenge. They're exciting.

>>83625810
I hate being into femdom so fucking much. Every domme IRL is either a troon or into cuckholdry / financdom. Thankfully I have other fetishes and can get off to normal stuff. I'll be able to have a good normal sex life if it ever comes to that.
>>83625933
Trvth Nvke

I feel like it just makes sense. I'm a kissless virgin, almost a wizard now, and I'm deathly afraid of women. Interacting with them puts me in a cold sweat.
A girl aggressively pursuing me seems like the only way I'll get any intimacy, so of course I would do whatever she wanted and melt it she said certain things.
It's probably why I'm still obsessed with the BPD girl I e-dated for a while.
Although getting SA'd by a girl last month kind of broke my brain and I noticed I'm markedly less into it now.

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>>83625810
cus I'm not able to manage my life myself and I need someone else to do it

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>>83625810
Because they are weak men, even in their imagination dominating a female feels ridiculous

>>83626177
sooo cute :3
would let him dominate, ngl

>>83625870
>cookingdom
the what

I don't even know what femdom means, the same for any japanese/chinese term used here. I just don't care.

>>83626162
was she hot or nah?

>>83626225
you dont see the underboob?

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>>83625810
Pathetic, i'm celibate, a pleasure people type of person but i don't like anyone dominating me, it hurt my feelings and pisses me off. You stand as my equal or you fuck off, no power dynamic.

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>>83626306
>a pleasure people type of person
a WHAT

>>83626315
Maybe i'm retarded, ESL even, i meant people pleaser

>>83626264
The girl I e-dated was one of the most attractive girls I've seen in my life.
The girl who SA'd me seemed pretty average.

>>83626660
>The girl who SA'd me seemed pretty average.
How does it feel to be SA'd I always wanted to get molested by a friend of mine said it's the worst shit ever

>>83625810
most of them aren't submissive themselves, they just want someone to take the reins. You can always tell a submissive who is submissive because they're a sub apart from someone who just wants to be the submissive because they're dominated.

>>83626679
I felt really dirty and just generally uncomfortable in my own body for a couple of weeks.
It wasn't even that bad, she just rubbed my lower back, but it still freaked me out as someone that almost never gets human contact.

>>83626760
>It wasn't even that bad, she just rubbed my lower back, but it still freaked me out as someone that almost never gets human contact.
it feels so amazing I wish it was me instead of you
Always fantasize about shit happening to me like this but it never happened, I guess I'm not innocent for all this

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>>83625810
My best friend got into a relationship with a "Chad" and it turned out that he was secretly sexually submissive. It was quite the disappointment and shock to her. It seems to affect men of all types.

>>83625810
The answer really isn't all that interesting. Femdom creates the illusion of a proactive, sexually aggressive female and thus provides what incels (and everyone else really) desire: being desired.

Women don't like submissive men, they want dominant men. This leads to submissive guys becoming incels. It's not that incels are subs, it's that subs are incels.

>>83626908
You are basically right but a lot of women do want submissive men in day-to-day actions. Just not submissive sexually.
For example, I like my boyfriend to be obedient, follow my orders and kiss my forehead. But sexually I am not turned on by him wanting to get tied up, pegged, feminized or calling me mommy.

>>83625810
Because they are foid worshiping simp losers. It's so fucking gay and low test and that's exactly what foids want.

>>83626089
>or into cuckholdry / financdom.
I WISH I could meet a femanon into theese things.

>>83626089
>financdom
No bigger turn off for me, honestly.

>>83627037
For me it's a turn on since I feel like it's one of the few forms of femdom that actually gives a real benefit to the woman.

>>83625830
fpbp. high inhibition autists are mentalcels even if not ugly.

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>>83625810
I want a dominant stacy to cuck me and spend all my money

>>83625810
I think part of this is that a guy doesn't have to worry about acting without consent by misinterpreting potential signs of interest with a dommy mommy.

1) Low self esteem
2) Fantasy of a woman who is horny enough and attracted enough to you to initiate things.

In the back of my mind there is still the fear that my gf is with me because she wants money or just because she wants a bf out of conformity.

>>83627062
Why want and not have

>>83627078
It's just a fantasy. Girls don't do that stuff in real life.

>>83625810
even when I wasn't an incel, I was really into it. Let me clarify, I'm into gentle femdom-- not the ballbusting and cuckold and BDSM shit. I've always had stressful jobs (IT) where everyone is leaning on me to fix problems. Coupled with being the "leader" of the relationship and paying all the bills, maintaining cars, apartment, etc. Sometimes it's really alluring to just be able to let go and relax and have someone you love take control of you. Someone you love tells you what to do and restrains you. Worshipping someone you love.

Of course, this gives the vast majority of women the ick. They want you to be their pillar 24/7. Even just revealing your emotion and being vulnerable gives them the ick.

>>83626711
>>83626889
>>83626908
>>83627076
/thread

>>83626249
it means living in a kingdom ruled by a queen, it's like a female kingdom

>>83627084
>even when I wasn't an incel
So, never?

>>83627081
I'm pretty sure you can find one who will do that if you wanted to

>>83626792
my nightmare ngl

>>83627095
How? I don't even know where to find one, let alone convince her to cuck and findom me

>>83627103
The Internet
That is if you actually have the money to pay

there might naturally be a link here, i can see how there would be. but for fuck's sake i'm sick of this format.
>why are so many (group) into y?
it's just mad libs. what's up with redditors and industrial music? why do so many republicans eat butter? has anyone noticed?

>>83627111
I have money but it's not that easy

>>83627156
If you say so but you don't seem dedicated to your fantasy

>>83627164
I think you're just overestimating how simple it is. Unless you ever tried it yourself how could you know

>>83627181
What have you done to try and make it reality? Its fine if you just want to keep it a fantasy for your own reasons but its not like its something thats impossible, there are apps about findom

>>83627200
I've been banned from apps before for trying to aak about it. Companies don't like it because it looks like solicitation to them. But it's not the findom part that is hard to find.

>>83627247
You're getting cucked out of being cucked?

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>>83625810
i don't like femdom. i like the idea of fucking a gorilla woman like barghest and breaking her in

>>83627262
I guess that's one way of putting it

>>83625810
That's why they're incels.

I dunno. I'm married. Fantasizing about cheating on my wife feels bad... So I often fantasize about being kidnapped/dominated by girls.

>>83627084
This is exactly it. Its why all these super rich men are into being urinated on, etc.

I know that I have to take leadership at work and show a confident face, so I like coming home and sex is easy because she takes charge. I feel most relaxed then even if I'm being treated very roughly.

>>83626792
my dream ngl

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>>83625810
n-need

>>83628055
He wanted to dress up as a girl and get dildos in his ass, careful what you wish for.

>>83628135
Ive strapped a guy and I also talked with a guy who liked to wear thigh highs and thought it was cute esp because youd never imagine such a thing from seeing him in public. No shame tho its not for everyone

>>83625810
I wouldn't say I'm an incel, but I'm a chad-like twink virgin that has never had sex before. Yet, I can't deny that femdom gets me off. I'm lean with hairless nice smooth skin. Not balding, and sharp masculine features. Maybe you can call me a mentalcel, maybe.

Why I find femdom arousing? Because it's more mentally stimulating and exciting for me. I feel dominant and powerful as a man by default. I don't really have anything to prove by dominating a woman and more domination gets boring. I'm not a simple-minded brute. However, the ability to lose myself, give up my sense of control to a woman I love and trust sounds intoxicating. I like the feeling of being owned, receiving love and being romantically loved for once. And honestly I just really admire strong and dominant women. My mother was the strongest woman I knew and her capability I guess imprinted on my preferences for women.

>>83625810
They get bullied by women and internalize it
Also they're faggots

>>83625810
because that is not common and as they don't like the average woman they think that that he different types of women must be better, some therefore fantasize about dominant women

>>83626908
>Women don't like submissive men, they want dominant men
You've disproved yourself. Do you see the contradiction? You are implying women are submissive. But if women were really submissive, then it wouldn't matter what they wanted. They would submit themselves to whatever. They wouldn't be picking and choosing and make all the decisions. You can't be the 'submissive' sex and then just dictate how everything goes. Women are the dominant sex. People that are into femdom are at least honest about how things really are.

>>83626177
>>83626276
>sph hand sign
I would lick her tummy mindlessly while she humiliated by cock and called it small, pathetic, and tiny hnnng

>>83628895
I want her to cuck me with hung chads

>>83627062
I used to think I would never be into findom but know I'm getting thoughts of being aroused by being dominated financially like that

>>83629914
As much as I enjoy talking about it I don't actually recommend it. It's a supreme waste of money. You will always regret it in the post nut clarity.

>>83625810
mommy issues or deep underlying insecurities

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>>83629971
I don't know about giving money to random women. But in the context of a loving relationship with a domme. We'd be going out together and the idea of spending money for her kind of arouses me. We could go shopping together. Maybe for a pair of nice shoes for her. She'd have me get on my knees and help put them on her feet. Tease me subtly about how cute they make her feet look and then order me to get my wallet out and buy them even though the one pair is like $300. And then say something like "good boy, you're so generous, now you're going to take me out to dinner." I'd be so flustered trying not to get an erection in public. Just thinking about that has me hard.

It's hot and fun because it can be done subtly in public. The power dynamics don't have to stay confined to the bedroom. Now that I think about it, I think a lot of relationships are like this. It's more common that we'd think.

>>83630323
My view is that if you're in a relationship with her, it's not findom. You're already sharing expenses if you're together. This is just a date.

>>83630332
It's just financial domination. Financial arrangements are going to depend and vary for each relationship. I would define it by power and levels of abuse, along with intentionality and roleplay. Like if we have separate checking accounts, but she's making me shell out a lot of money for things for her, and in a disproportionate way for the purposes of domination, then elements of findom are there. Like if she then goes and buys a nice pair of velvet shoes for me for $800 then overall it's negated. It's just something you can have fun with and if nothing else larp and roleplay a bit.

>>83630395
>larp and roleplay a bit
It's safer that way too. You can get the same feelings without financial ruin. Like buying her a new car when it would absolutely destroy your finances.

Did a post just get deleted?

>>83625810
The idea of a woman trying to be assertive is funny to me, the only "femdom" I sometimes like is /ss/, where I self-insert as the boy. And that's entirely because of female shotacons I knew when I was one.

>>83628854
Yeah they don't want dominance, they just want ruthless people that they can control. Just tells me abour her character more than anything, people like that will never be satisfied anyway.

real submissive men become service tops because its the way the girl wants
sub vs dom is more about the emotional dynamic than being a top or bottom

>>83632387
>real submissive men become service tops
>service tops
You mean what women actually want when they claim they want "dominant" men.

Bump for femdom goodness

>>83625810
The idea of them being the dominant one and initiating sex is too scary for them so having the woman doing all of it is comforting.

>>83632747
>is too scary for them
No. It's because women don't want it. We were lied to. Women aren't submissive. Women are very picky and selective.

>>83625810
define femdom. people seem to get really confused on whether or not femdom is "i'm going to tie you up, beat the fuck out of you consensually, then take the cash from your wallet" or "slightly teasing and makes the first move".

regardless of that, i think the answer is simple: any kind of woman-first dynamic is rooted in the idea that if a woman is taking charge, they're interested. a dominant woman wouldn't waste her time on someone she's not interested in. it's endorsement of intention, for lack of a better term. simply because she's taking charge it means there's genuine interest.

>>83634092
>it's endorsement of intention, for lack of a better term. simply because she's taking charge it means there's genuine interest
This. Women play these stupid games and love to beat around the bush and act fickle. It's nice knowing a woman is genuinely interested in you.

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>>83625810
The reptilian brain gets the better of us. It doesn't make sense, but some of us just get that inclination even though it's counterproductive.

>>83625810
Life taught me that women are typically grossed out by me and consider it a nuisance when I approach them, so now I don't feel confident expressing any kind of interest unless a woman indicates very explicitly that it's okay.

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>>83625810
I'm a broken man yearning to be saved and gentle femdom is the purest form of love.

>>83625810
I would guess low self-esteem.
Dominating somebody requires some semblance of positive self-image by nature. You have to feel like you're superior to somebody to dominate them properly.

>>83635798
Explain all the wealthy powerful men that pay prodommes to femdom them

>>83625810
they are closeted trannies

>>83636285
Probably some sort of inferiority complex at the root of it

>>83626937
is forehead kissing submissive? it seems neutral, if not leaning to dom, to me

>>83626792
>>83625810
Its not even an incel desire it's a male desire to be treated with love without emasculated punishment, the talking down fork in the road of femdom sure exists but most of it is just being vulnerable and being rewarded instead of witnessing the disgust on a woman's face when they are asked to show even a crumb of love a man is capable of showing her. Men are capable of the love we want to receive since we give it, but women tend be incapable of the love they desire which is retarded and is why I genuinely believe women who are like this deserve the abuse they willingly search to tolerate from toxic men they find attractive enough to sleep with.

Like other anons have said, it's just sexual confidence. Raw feminine power. I don't even like masochism or cruel femdom, I just like women who actively rock your fucking socks off and own the place sexually.

>>83636407
All those "based trad maledom manosphere" types don't realize how much they help to dehumanize men and strip them of their humanity. They claim men can't show emotion, have to be stoic, and have to bottle everything up and be miserable. That men have to give love and should never expect to receive love. They are enemies of men. People into femdom at least implicitly acknowledge men should be loved too. That it's okay for men to be humans too and experience the human condition instead of being henpecked men that have to toe the line all the time. Femdom is liberating for all parties. That's why women that are into femdom generally like men more. Women that are opposed to femdom are the ones that actually hate men and want them to continue to suffer for their own selfish benefit.

>>83637271
>That's why women that are into femdom generally like men more
Women that staunchly oppose femdom are a red flag. It means they are selfish and want to benefit from gender roles. It's a huge turn off for high-value men, and should be for all men really.

>>83626792
>>83627100
This is the real reason. Even when I'm feeling my most confident, I know I'm still going to disappoint whatever woman I'm with.

being highly successful , but im sure its not the reason for everyone . i cannot wait to be pegged

>>83637494
Are you getting pegged soon anon? :)

>>83637575
No, he's an incel lol.

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>>83637271
Trvth nvke on women's attitude to femdom.

Women who like it or are open-minded to it universally see men as human, imo.

Exclusive submissive women, you're on patchy ground. It's a coin toss really.

I would never again date a woman who's not open to it (and will never have to, because I'm now married)

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>>83625810
There's actually no correlation, it's just that some incels think a woman holding you close and telling you she loves you is somehow "femdom". That's what they're fetishising, they're not into actually dominant women

>>83632387
I actually think most men and women would benefit most from a "service top" arrangement.
I think a good 50-60% of women are what I would term "dominant bottoms" who basically want to pillow princess out and be worshipped and fucked by a guy who overtly shows his desire for her and tells her she's beautiful.
I'm not sure why the 25% of women who are obsessed with being raped and beaten got to define what female sexuality is, but I suspect it has to do with their increased prevalence in male-heavy social spaces (like 4chan, reddit and twitter)

They're not, it's just safe horny bullshit because it's not socially acceptable to say "I want to fuck an 18 year old who follows me around like a puppy, cooks and cleans, and won't cheat on me"

>>83638714
>and won't cheat on me"
I do NOT want that.

>>83638102
>I would never again date a woman who's not open to it (and will never have to, because I'm now married)
Based. Is your wife into femdom?

>>83638102
>>83638177
These pics are so hot.
I would love to have my wrists tied up and eat out my domme's cunt while she pressed me into the ground with her foot like I was a rug or dirt.

>>83639222
He doesn't have a wife... did you forget you were on 4chan?

>>83625810
Submisive guys dont go after girls,
Girls are only interested in guys who go after them.
Simple as.

>>83626937
Those aren't the only ways to be a mslesub, in fact, I'm definitely not into feminization, don't feel the need to call "mommy" nor particularly care about being tied up or pegged. >>83629914
Me too, femdom to me is mostly about worshiping, pleasing/spoiling the mistress, while being used and degraded by her.

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>>83638177
>I'm not sure why the 25% of women who are obsessed with being raped and beaten got to define what female sexuality is,

Because pain feels good? It puts people into "sub space" which is a more intense feeling than just plain sex.

>>83625810
Sign of low test

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>>83625810
the face she makes giving me a golden shower.

>>83625810
lazy lovers

>>83625810
Femdom is a woman showing you how much she likes you forcefully, that shit is penis bursting to me.
>I had a bad day at work so pull out the cock now so I can suck on it you boy slut

>>83625810
a lot of them just want a partner who is an active and enthusiastic sexual partner, but their only experience is porn. They don't make porn where the woman is an active participant, she is either being acted upon, or "dominating". So they default to that.

>>83625810
they aren't rejected (although getting negative treatment at times it is still active because of a relationship), another person takes the lead

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>>83625810
I can't speak for the rest of you, but it's because of my mom being so important for so long, my autism, and my dad being distant and busy, even after the divorce.

When I was still figuring out my emotions, the person I went to for advice was my mother. When I was in trouble and spazzing out because of overwhelming sensory issues, my mother would advocate for me. When I was lonely because I couldn't make friends very well, I talked with my mother, and when I did make friends, it was because of my mother's friends.

She made my life possible, got me to brush my teeth and do the things that I didn't want to but it made sense to do. And when I got intense migraines in my teens, she had mercy on me and helped me figure out how to treat them rather than call me a loser.

I do not know how to enjoy being a man, though don't get me wrong it's what I am. I take after my mother, and my father is who I'm like when I'm not struggling and things aren't serious, which is rare. And you know, what's more serious than sex? Yet, I'm still physically attracted to women.

In some ways, I guess I cast my mother onto the whole of the female gender. I could probably still top women if I tried. I still have a dad who I look up to. But, I never saw my mom and dad happy together. Being a man, leading a sexual encounter, is something that I badly want to do but would still feel wrong somehow for doing. You have to understand, whenever I was away from my mom and with my dad, I had too much pizza among other luxuries and made myself feel terrible, until I got back to my mom and she fixed me up. My dad took me on happy vacations a lot, but he was not long-term.

I'm constantly taking passive psychic damage when it comes to matters of handling sensory stuff on my own. I'm an adult, so I can handle it, but my idea of comfort is still different from normies. I don't want a gf to mother me, but I'm turned on by being guided and told what to do by women who care about my wellbeing.

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Incels are not into findom and anti-incel baiting troons don't speak for incels, at all, ever.

>>83625810
>incels into femdom
>>83640641
>Sign of low test
Lol no. I'm a pretty masculine chad. After I pickup a woman from a bar/club, party, or app and bring them back to my place, it's pretty funny seeing them expect me to do all the work undressing them, choking them, and fucking them stupid and then them realizing I'm not some submissive dipshit schmuck they can get to do their bidding. I'm a dominant guy. I do well financially and have a lot of dominant interests. So I like to dictate the sexual space. Some women have done femdom before and are into it so I just basically tell them what I'm into and they go along with it. The rest I clue in about what I'm about. Some I can get to put in the work for me while I lie down, have them ride me, choke me, ask them to spit in my mouth, etc. Basic femdom shit. See if they have a knack for it and decide if I want to go further. The rest that aren't about that I just do the boring old fuck they want and ghost them after. These bitches have to understand that I need hoes that can keep up with my libido and level of kink. A guy like me needs some truly bad bitches that can match my caliber. Otherwise it's just not a good fit and they should look for some balding fat beta slob to trick into thinking he's a proper alpha "dom" lol because that's more their style, let's be fucking real. But anyway yeah I make sure the hoes that get to hang are downright domme baddies.

>>83641619
And a lot of my finance bros are into similar shit and sometimes pay dominatrices good money to do truly nasty shit. We talk about it, partly to laugh about it and partly to show off in a way about what trouble we get to. Funny thing is I live in a city known as both a major financial hub and area with a huge professional dominatrix scene.

>>83641465
>I'm turned on by being guided and told what to do by women who care about my wellbeing.
That's cute, anon