is being gay a choice? I am not even a chuddie but my understanding of the situation was that people are molded to be gay by external factors instead during their childhood are there gay anons here? do you really like mens hairy buttholes unironically
I'm bisexual and I like both men's and women's buttholes, but I prefer them shaved usually (not enlightened enough to really appreciate ass hair yet). Picrel is really arousing to me, for example. I have been a porn addict for a long time though.
>>83653524Gayfag here>do you really like mens hairy buttholes unironicallyI do not, I think anal is pretty disgusting.I also don't like hair except for on the head, but I guess that's a personal preference thing. There are plenty of gays who like fat hairy men, so you know.>molded to be gay by external factors instead during their childhoodI find this very fascinating, but unfortunately I haven't been able to find an answer. I've heard that trauma can do it, but I never experienced any trauma myself.My bf on the other hand did, but I think that did more to mold his kinks than his orientation. I grew up in a very normal household, both parents together, I played sports, went to a normal school, played video games, etc.I would really like to know the answer though, it would be very interesting if one could trace these things to a certain/several things in childhood - or maybe some people are born this way and some people are "made" into it.
>>83653524Homosexuality is a deviation caused by extreme libido. Basically speaking, libido is so high that even things that shouldn't be sexually attractive become so. Moreover, as it is much easier for men to be around men and women to be around women, this proximity causes the libido to be directed toward men.So in many ways it is a choice, but not really.inb4 cope and seethe
>>83654178shouldnt they be bisexual then? but gay guys just want cock, and often very specific ones too
>>83653524>is being gay a choice?If being gay was a choice, there would be no heterosexual men and humanity would have gone extinct. It's literally a cure for being attracted to retarded vaginoids.
>>83653524>is being gay a choice?Can you choose what makes your pp go hard? No? Well, neither can I and I suspect nobody can. No offense, but I've always found this question deeply retarded. If I could choose what gets me sexually excited, I'd likely choose something better than foids, but it is what it is.
>>83654197The difference between gay and bisexual is only the social exposure of the subject. Consider the concept of "prison gay", which is in fact a form of (mal)adaptive bisexuality.
>>83654215>I'd likely choose something better than foids, but it is what it is.Can't make children with anyone but the opposite sex. This is why there is normal and then there is fags.
>>83654215The truth is that people who say it's a choice are intentionally using deceitful language. The "choice" is for you to choose to fight against your instincts, but it's deliberately worded vaguely as to make one intuitively think it's about choosing to feel those instincts in the first place. The real conversion therapy, as you put it, would be converting oneself away from desiring the foid.
>>83654228Nothing good in being normal tho. Most "normal" people I know live mind-numbingly boring and stressful lives I will never understand or want to be part of.
>>83654228Making children is inherently unethical. Just another reason why I'd willingly become homosexual if it was a simple bit flip.
>>83654215Also, if it were a choice then there wouldn't be people struggling to accept their sexuality.>I've always found this question deeply retardedSame. Finding out about the whole "nature vs nurture" aspect is something that I find interesting, especially since it could also explain fetishes/kinks, but there is no way that someone can just activate homo-mode on a whim.
>>83654285False dichotomy. Do we tell people to accept their retardation, their depression, their dementia, or their schizophrenia? Maybe they are struggling to accept it precisely because it is not natural, even to themselves.
>>83654334There's nothing to do about retardation and dementia other than accepting it. Depression and schizophrenia are treated specifically because they hamper people from being who they natural feel as.
>>83654334>Do we tell people to accept their retardationApparently.
>>83653524Why would any man choose to be straight then?
>>83653524It is not a choice, but it is not genetic either. It is due to changes in the brain while still in the womb which are due to disrupted hormonal conditions.When this happens people exhibit other traits besides sexual attraction, for example gay men's obsession with fashion, girl's toys when they were little and other things heterosexual girls/women enjoy. Also pic related. AI can apparently determine if someone is homosexual by their face with a good degree of accuracy as well.
>>83654444Nice quad 4's. Also there are studies suggesting the same mechanism applies to sexual dimorphism in placental development. That itself is in line with 'grandma remedy' kind of things where "common knowledge" is that if you eat so or so food while pregnant you'll get a boy, whereas such other food items gives you a girl. Indeed, nutrition is known to greatly impact hormonal production in the woman, which would apply to what's floating in the womb.
>>83654444>AI can apparently determine if someone is homosexual by their faceWasn't that dubious because the faces weren't "neutral" like they had hairstyles, piercings, makeup and other things that indicate group identity?
>>83654502Not him but there are multiple such studies, and I remember at least a few were neutral. The main problem is that on at least one paper, people on FUCKING twitter got mad (their argument was literally "omg what if the arab use this tech to kill all fags") so the paper was retracted without any reason or scientific objection provided. It was probably one of the better computer papers I had seen in a few years as the enshitification of everything continued, and that was in a psych journal...
>>83653524>is being gay a choice?Yes and Noit can be a choice if someone really puts their mind into converting their sexuality, I managed to pull it off when I was in my self-hating phase (didn't find them sexually attractive but I could "love" them) but it's really much easier to just be what you were initially, which in my case, it was being gay, which I comfortably am now.>do you really like mens hairy buttholes unironicallydo you really like vaginas unironically?
>>83654528>do you really like vaginas unironically?Yes you absolute faggotProof that fags aren't real, just larpers.
It's a trauma response to being abused as a child or a result of heavy metal toxicity/parasites.
>>83654444>picwhat's the source on this? is this just /pol/faggot bro science or does it have actual legitimacy?
>>83653524There's no way to explain it logically, because it is not logical. Gays reject Life and Nature itself by sanctioning their right to offspring, which is the meaning of life.Life is a zero sum game, though. Everything comes at an equal and opposite cost, and their cost is gene pool exclusion. It's best not to worry about gays or trannies, just let them make their poor choices, it's not like you can do anything about it. Just be happy that one day, you'll have a son or daughter who loves you. Perhaps you already do.
>somebody chooses to be rejected by society, potentially lose their family and have to spend the rest of their life trying to find someone who feels the same way except that person is also going to be an outcast who has been rejected by friends/familywhy the fuck would anyone choose this?this argument is so weird to me, surely if you could fucking choose your sexuality then why would anyone pick gay?
>>83656687Smokers don't choose to smoke cigarettes in the hopes of unlocking lung cancer by 45, nor do fat people dream of heart disease. Some people aren't as intelligent as you, and they don't consider the consequences. Gay people certainly don't plan for these things to happen, despite the likelihood that they will.
>>83656847>Smokers don't choose to smoke cigarettes in the hopes of unlocking lung cancer by 45NICOTINE IS AN ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCE
>>83656990Doesn't matter if it's your first time smoking. Still gotta choose to do that
>>83653524>people are molded to be gay by external factors instead during their childhoodYou're purposefully ignoring the people who were brought up in conservative, isolated communities, and still ended up gay.
>>83657188are you saying that people only find out that they're gay after they've already sucked a dick?
>>83657188That's a superficial understanding. Even if the action of homosexuality is a conscious choice, the same sex attraction in itself isn't.
>>83656847>Smokers don't choose to smoke cigarettes in the hopes of unlocking lung cancer by 45, nor do fat people dream of heart diseaseNo, that's incorrect. Ruining your life with obesity and drug addiction requires active effort and the intentional desire to suffer.
OLDER BROTHERS MAKES YOU GAYhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-Y_antigen
>>83656847The difference between overeating and smoking and homosexuality is that you don't have to be sexually attracted to food or tobacco to take up on the habit. Your implication is that you could potentially be a smoker, a fattie or a homosexual, and that will power alone stands in your way. That would mean you're already gay but suppressing it.
>>83657374>>83657653Both making the same good point: You are forced to have that sexual attraction or not (based on your environment, parents, etc.), but can still make the choice on whether to act on it.I guess the philosophical question is whether this makes a difference or not; if you never act upon a desire, was the desire strong enough to be considered legitimate in the first place?
>>83654058Few causes for homosexuality. 1. Childhood trauma / sexual molestation (often by slightly older kids who were themselves abused) 2. Intestinal parasites change stuff in an attempt to spread themselves. 3. Womb environment was contaminated resulting in a "born this way" without ascribing to genetic factors. 4. Porn addiction5. False choice / i.e. prison gay i.e. desperately lonely and willing to cope
>>83657851>You are forced to have that sexual attraction or not (based on your environment, parents, etc.),Based on genetics mostly, but this is the core of the issue Having same sex attraction, as you put it yourself, is not a choice, but something someone is "forced" upon by circumstances beyond their choosing. That's what it means to be gay. Not whether or not you act on your homosexual desires, but if you have these desires to begin with
>>83657975You missed the most important one, which is being born that way without ascribing it to anything bad that happened to you.
>>83657851>if you never act upon a desire, was the desire strong enough to be considered legitimate in the first placeYes, since the "strength" of the desire is not the determining factor. Take for instance old "straight " married men who come out later in life. The desire was strong enough to come out but not strong enough to face homophobia when they were young. What changed? The strength of their desire? Or the acceptance/ hostility of their environment? The desire makes you gay, not the action. If you have gay desires that you don't act upon, you're just a repressed homosexual, not straight
