>be unemployed for six months and my job's insurance is gone >have asthmatic attack due wet paper towels undersink> breathing while driving to hospital up the street >expect huge bill, but they give me medical care and five months of inhaler medicine for free. >only need a week before I am up and running, save the rest just incase. Why the fuck don't you want this? >inb4 taxesshut the fuck up, what's 50 bucks off the paycheck for such?
You fill my country with hostile tribes
>>83677334The only problem I have with liberals is their love of trannies and illegals. As a schizo, I need the welfare state.
>>83677334Because the liberals brought in millions of pajeets you fucking retard.
>>83677356it's so funny to me that rightoids don't even realize that this is a bipartisan effort. look at ontario for example. doug ford has been in power how long again? you really think he isn't benefitting bigly off cheap immigrant labour? if you need some to blame liberals are useful I guess, since it avoids any further investigation
>>83677360I'm not north American, and yes, I blame the mainstream right, too. But in my experience the average right winger is against it and the elites betray them. Whereas the average leftist believes all "colonizers" deserve to die... they believe in gentle rehabilitation for actual murderers though lmao. They also tend to be vehemently against ANY nationalism unless it's some third world shithole dictatorship they love defending.
>>83677357I never saw a mexican person till I came to this state and honestly I don't know what you are worried about. I literally have a foot and then some on the average one. >trannies they have always been nice to me and never hit on me.
>>83677368if you think murderers should be executed and then hold out for freeze peach i have bad news for you
>>83677377I never mentioned execution. I just think your general ethics are inconsistent and your sloganeering is even worse.
>>83677387what are your ethics?
>>83677373I'm racist. I don't want to be surrounded by beaners. I don't want to here them gibbering in Spanish every time I go out. Etc. >tranniesI have no personal problems with them as people. I just don't want to see them trying to ingratiate themselves with children. They're mentally ill. As am I, but I don't so creepy shit.
>>83677393I support myself, then people who treat me well, then similar people. In some cases, the world - but effective mechanisms for that are very difficult for reasons I feel liblefts neglect. Anything you don't take can be used by your enemies.
>>83677397Idk why people complain about trannies and children when most "drag queen story hour" shit was just gay men who don't transition at all. The president of America is a cis male pedo and half the country cheered him
>>83677406:/do you honestly live in a first world country and think all of your success comes from you supporting yourself? that sounds a bit unrealistic. also, for a group that bandies around concepts like ideological diversity you're awful fast to talk about supporting your own, because you're obviously not going to be upfront about what that actually entails. personally, i think a good thing is worth debasing if it means expanding it's reach. i don't deserve to live here any more than anyone else, and i don't see how anyone actually comes to that conclusion. people guard their birth lottery like it's some kind of entitlement that isn't guaranteed by a state that has so very few commitments to their constituents. the right will at once defend their right to be coddle by the state (in their own special way) and then be surprised when elites don't actually owe them any loyalty... seems kind of silly.
>>83677397Men who aren't educators shouldn't be trying to ingratiate themselves with small children. It's unusual behavior.
>>83677397>>83677423they usually don't the ones I know try to act like women or chameleon chads and actually get more women than dudes.
>>83677417>do you honestly live in a first world country and think all of your success comes from you supporting yourself?No. Hence, "similar people". People with a culture of achievement and civic duty who cared for their culture, and the innovation they fostered. Of course, leftists will attribute western success purely to colonialism, but Ethiopia was never colonised (in fact they had the Aksum empire themselves) and it's still a shithole, whereas Finland was colonised and it's first world. Really makes you think. >also, for a group that bandies around concepts like ideological diversity I think you're strawmanning me based on conversations with conservatives. I'm not a con, really. I understand a degree of value pluralism but not when it's suicidal ideas. >because you're obviously not going to be upfront about what that actually entails. Sure I will. Foremost, it requires pride and duty alongside existing similarities that cause initial cohesion.>i don't deserve to live here any more than anyone else, and i don't see how anyone actually comes to that conclusionNobody "deserves" anything. Defend your birthright you attained from the struggles of your ancestors, or lose it to outsiders who will strip you to the bone. The problem with this thinking is you see humans as interchangeable. They are not. I am native to Europe. If Indians and Jews and chinks will hire their own race over me, I have no reason to trust them. If Muslims are 75% of European terror and only talk about their own fear of backlash after they commit mass murder, I have no reason to trust them. If non-white people like Arabs and native Americans and Maori glorify their own "warriors" but shame my "colonizers", I have no reason to trust them. Stop pretending anyone is neutral. Tribalism is a necessity to survive. >elites don't actually owe them any loyaltyI an not economically right and I'm fine with protectionism and punishing companies who hire migrants.
>>83677356Needed for economic growth. Alternatives are abolish capitalism or you have children. Pick one of these three.
>>83677574And yet the past few decades of mass immigration have seen everything go to shit. Leftists are faggots for defending mug GDP desu. Lowering population = cheaper housing, higher wages
>>83677546>No. Hence, "similar people". People with a culture of achievement and civic duty who cared for their culture, and the innovation they fostered.That's worth defending but it's also worth sharing rather than jealously guarding. If you can't accept that, you haven't really moved past kindergarten level morality, and are just defending what you have right now rather than making sure it continues to exist at all. It's a short-term mindset that your actual enemies who chose a different strategy will capitalize on the minute you commit to it. >I understand a degree of value pluralism but not when it's suicidal ideas.It wouldn't been acceptable to call it suicidal if you weren't clinging to a very specific identity notion which exists for historical circumstance more than anything. Furthermore you're ignoring how globalized the world is to the point that stuff like this is less circumstantial and more effectual than anything. It's not the post wwii era where everything was just being rebuilt with a lot of cash influx and it was easy to cater society to the older world picture that is now objectively outdated. You want to live in a past that is impossible to maintain and are importing a concept of national independence that never really existed anyway, at least not in recent history and maybe even extended history. >Defend your birthright....See, it's not really about values after all. You're just trying to ensure your in group maintains power. You need to decide if you're going to take the idealist route or the survivalist route, because you can't really have both. The world is far to globalized to accept any notion of civic duty that doesn't involve other foreign people anyway, which I already mentioned. You to talk about civic achievement when survival is your biggest concern? These are conflicting priorities, and it's so easy to blame the thing in front of you rather than generations of inability and declining ability to maintain the status quo.
I hate the so-called liberals for anchoring the left-right spectrum so far right that they are still talking about health insurance subsidy when they should be metaphorically beheading landlords.
>>83677616>That's worth defending but it's also worth sharing rather than jealously guarding.It's not jealousy, it's basic intelligence. Power vacuums are NOT stable and no society that's multicultural has ever had all races within it be truly equal. If anything most Asians are even more ethnocentric than westerners, and rising. >If you can't accept that, you haven't really moved past kindergarten level moralityChildren are not stupid, many of the instincts they display are important survival functions. And the sort of bullying that happens in childhood never ends in adult life. Strength is respected. >It wouldn't been acceptable to call it suicidal if you weren't clinging to a very specific identity notionI am identified that way by others and myself. It is social and biological reality. >Furthermore you're ignoring how globalized the world is This logic can defend any status quo"You're ignoring how capitalist the world is!"See how dumb that sounds when you're advocating for change?>See, it's not really about values after all. You're just trying to ensure your in group maintains power.Values are largely instrumental. The military praises discipline. Universities ideally praise curiosity and imagination. Europeans SHOULD keep power over our homelands. It's not the freakish display of unfair privilege you think it is lmao. >The world is far to globalized to accept any notion of civic duty that doesn't involve other foreign people anyway, which I already mentioned. And yet immigration has mostly just created highly atomised societies of sub nations, with trust lower than ever. If people self segregate why even bother with multiculturalism? It's clearly unnatural>You to talk about civic achievement when survival is your biggest concern? These are conflicting prioritiesThey're not. Most advantages in a healthy society are interdependent and reinforce each other
>>83677616>If you can't accept that, you haven't really moved past kindergarten level moralityQuite the contrary. Believing "oh we are all humans, let's all share" is literally a lower level of consciousness than "Let's share only with my ingroup since there are many other groups whose interests conflict with mine">See, it's not really about values after all. You're just trying to ensure your in group maintains powerFuck off, shitlib traitor. The world is not rainbow magic land where everyone just needs to love eachother. Groups exist as long as there are conflicting interests. If you are acting against your interests (giving away all of your wealth to random people) you are a sick organism since only sick organisms destroy themselves. NTA
>>83677679>I am identified that way by others and myself. It is social and biological reality.idiosyncratic circumstance as a consequence of a flashpoint of human history that ignores generations of effectuation causing a complete sea >It's not jealousy, it's basic intelligence. Power vacuums are NOT stable and no society that's multicultural has ever had all races within it be truly equal. If anything most Asians are even more ethnocentric than westerners, and rising.so I guess the Ukraine war is immigrants' fault>Children are not stupid, many of the instincts they display are important survival functions.except the thing about children is they need a central authority, which we have already established owes you nothing and can do what it wants, to the point where YOUR side or an APPROXMATION of your side can betray you at will. but I guess since you're not on the right it's irrelevant to your point, right? the thing that started this exchange was that the right was just as responsible for mass immigration, they just get to play the bad cop when it comes to that. >See how dumb that sounds when you're advocating for change?you're the one advocating for change, so obviously it sounds dumb to you> It's not the freakish display of unfair privilege you think it is lmao.I never said it was. just saying it's easier to have something grow if you change with the times rather than maintain absolute obstinacy relative to global trends>And yet immigration has mostly just created highly atomised societies of sub nations, with trust lower than ever. If people self segregate why even bother with multiculturalism? It's clearly unnaturalyou mean the immigration that both sides of the political spectrum want and need, right? stratification exists in monocultures too, by the way>They're not. Most advantages...that's because society is organized along class lines that allow you to spin multiple plates, are you familiar with base and superstructure?
>>83677724sea change* sorry it's late for me
>>83677684i hope you get replaced by robot AI because obviously you just hate brown people
>>83677744NTA but he is absolutely right. Leftist suicidal empathy is retarded and genetic dead end.
>>83677748>willfully ignoring the point that the right is utterly complicit because why blame your controller when you can blame a bleeding heart faggot, eh?
It's a lot of money. And it's robbing. Fat people are not denied healthcare even though the people who use the most health services are fat. They failed to take care of their body because they are bad people. I take care of my body because I'm a good person. I can more than cover all of my lifetime health costs and this lifetime health cost will be significantly lower than what the government steals from me. I have goals in life. I should be allowed to keep more of my check and ensure it is used in a way that aligns with good morals. Because money is the main thing seperating me from my goals the conclusion is simple. I'm am actively being denied my dreams for literally evil, selfish immoral people want to take my money and deny me my dreams so they can continue eating like a pig. I will not support any form of socialized medicine unless fat people are charged significantly more and not allowed access to any health services.
>>83677617It seems that we're anchored so far left we're still talking about gun laws and tax brackets. We live in a fucking crazy world where leftists have had absolute control of America for the past 80+ years. But leftists somehow dont see this and think the exact opposite.The monoparty pretty well ascends left and right and is perfectly honed in on what hurts the largest number of people regardless of where they sit in directionbrain terms. The one thing everyone can agree on is nothing works as it should. We've tried this government thing many times and many ways. Maybe it's time to come to terms with things and admit government as a concept is incapable of doing what we are trying to use it for. I'm not against metaphoring landlords, but stopping there solves nothing. This should extend to politicians as well.
>>83677860You cant have socialized healthcare and then exclude people because ungealthy choices, as it would just become spiral of blaming, and most issues can be traced to lifestyle (drivers should pay more, people who do too much sports and people who dont move, what food is unhealthy changes etc.). Tho in countries with socialized healthcare they should lower the obligatory payments and partly finance it with tobaco/alcohol/junk food etc. taxes.
>>83677334Neo-liberalism literally dominates the entire first world. If your life isn't shitty subsistence farming or factory slavery, it's because of neo-liberalism.The "librul" is some amalgamation of all the right wing talk-radio boogeymen. Feminists, transsexuals, race-apologists, and perpetual victims that seem to always want exactly what makes the good-ol' right extra angry. Basically a scarecrow the media uses to keep you angry/anxious and easy to manipulate.
>>83677918Thats kind of my whole point. Drivers should have to pay more. Drug addicts, skydivers, miners, etc.. Health costs are different between each person and it's a complex interplay of genetics, behavior, and luck the only fair solution is everyone pays for themselves. You think America has a fucked up system with majority of costs coming from administrative, insurance, etc and not, y'know, doctors and nurses providing services. Remember insurance companies are run for profit. They get the best actuaries to run the insurance companies best. La'trine and Daqueefa sitting in endless rows of cubicles will not crunch the numbers because everything the government runs is horribly wasteful and inefficient.The insurance companies are partly to blame, but the government made them that way. Emtala means a hospital can't refuse to provide for someone based on ability to pay. medicare/aid means government opens the wallet but it's arbitrary and ignores actual costs. This procedure pays this much, doesn't matter if the hospital only needed half that amount or 10x that amount, that's all it pays. Ban medicare/aid and health insurance all together. Things were, much cheaper before administrative accounted for 90% of costs. The only reason you get an $80 bill for one Tylenol is because the hospitals is forced to fuck the shit out of anyone actually able to pay. Most people just go and pay nothing. Hospital can't just shutter the doors. The honest patient subsidizes the costs of the bad people.The gatekeeping around medical school is a seperate issue. But artificially restricting supply of doctors behind expensive education that takes over ten years does not help, sure they way be 1% better at the job for school being twice as long, but working 16 and 24hr shifts + on call when off, the sleep deprivation wipes out the 1% boost and then more. Give medical staff qualified immunity like cops have and costs go down.Ultimately people should be more responsible.
>>83677724>idiosyncratic circumstance as a consequence of a flashpoint of human history that ignores generations of effectuationWord salad. My race was shaped by my homeland: Europe. Blacks literally can't get enough vitamin D here because the landscape itself rejects them. And my culture was formed over thousands of years in this place>so I guess the Ukraine war is immigrants' faultI never said this. But it's telling that the poor victimised "global south" supports Russian imperialism>the thing that started this exchange was that the right was just as responsible for mass immigrationNo. I said I disagreed with libs over mass immigration. From that, you assumed I like the political right. I agree that politicians like Trump and Meloni are traitors, the only real benefit is they pushed the overton window closer to actual remigration>you're the one advocating for changeYes, but the change I want is a return to our prior state... which 80% of Europeans want>I never said it was. just saying it's easier to have something grow if you change with the times rather than maintain absolute obstinacy relative to global trendsChange with the times? Is China actually leftist anymore or is it ethnonationalist now? The West is just heading the same way. If anything the centre left is what's dying. They utterly failed to deliver on unions, living standards, or a peaceful multicultural future>you mean the immigration that both sides of the political spectrum want and need, right?You think in such rigid binaries. If both wings are failing the solution is third position>that's because society is organized along class lines that allow you to spin multiple plates, are you familiar with base and superstructure?Yes actually, although it's oversimplified. I was a Marxist once. Only the political realist elements are worth anything
>>83678277you entertain culturally right wing opinions and lie about not being a rightoid. lie to someone else's face
>>83677574The economy has gotten worse though except for the billionaires who gain from perverse incentives. Why are leftoids like this. They will turn into some kind of funhouse mirrors ancap before switching back to being a rabid anti-white mindraped kikeslave neocommunist
>>83678102Im not a burger but the insurance cost problem existed even before medaid. I dont hate socialized healthcare, we have it, there could be improvements but at end I think im better off with it then with private insurence or pay out of pocket ( with my payrange, someone better paid may be not). So I suport it from my own self interest.Other problem with free market aproach is that services such as health tend to monopolize. Big actors will allways use their power to inflate prices, be it by inside deals or political pressure. I dont subscribe to good corporations/bad state or reverse view, they both want to screw you over, at most its the question of lesser evil.
>>83677334I don't know that you exist. I ldon't give a single fuck about you. I am the main character and I think that a person should never receive medical help unless they're paying for it in some way, like service or money.I don't want to pay a single cent into some bullshit scamming fund that will waste it, because I can keep and invest it much better myself. If I'll ever have to go to a doctor or a hospital, then I will be able to pay for it out of my own pocket and be treated like human being. I don't care whether other people die because they can't pay for medical services.
>>83677356you are a hostile tribe to mine (old yankee) and we are sick of it. you will be crushed like defective marbles. pig faced fat fucks. get ready trukka, old uncle sam is gonna stomp your ass while lady liberty holds the torch to it.
>>83678385You are a gayrace tranny and anyone who even thinks anything like you will have no discernible genetic legacy in the future for being defective, maladaptive spiteful mutants who carry water for racial aliens.
>>83678361>>83677357isnt it funny that for-profit medicine is actually a huge part of why troons are such a thing? gender clinics make bank catering to a fetish and funneling children into a life of medical dependence.meanwhile in the uk they assessed "youth transition" and banned it cause it doesnf actually help anyone. but it the us, money matters, not whether it actually helps.
>>83678398we invented america, you just washed ashore at some point like everyone you try to hate lol
>>83678398not kidding about stomping your ass by the waywatch the news for me,.im headed to new york
>>83678410I'm actually of English ancestry while you're 56% jewish and mcdonald's grease.
>>83677334>medical care is liberalme when i'm retarded. every single person in that hospital is considered a far right extremist by the modern liberal. hospitals are part of a patriarchy and they are fat shaming white supremacists or whatever. modern liberals believe in voodoo shamans and men getting pregnant, not inhalers. at best, you'll just be told to see a therapist, not a doctor.
>>83678361Maybe it was lightning in a bottle, and I don't know how to solve the monopoly problem. But back in the day every small town had a clinic and a country doctor. The doctor pretty much ran it like any other business or shop. I mean sure, probably not going to the one with a reputation when you need a everything transplant. But for most female hysteria and hypochondriacs it's more than enough. I think nurse practitioners were meant to fill this void. You get the common cold so you need antibiotics. Don't need a world class genius to say fuck off antibiotics don't treat that, here's some ibuprofen and a bottle of bourbon sleep it off. Stitches, simple fractures, burns, any old person can handle these. Cancer and major surgery is complicated. But outcomes were better when there was less regulation. That's a lot of bleeding there, I mix up some powdered clay, cayenne, yarrow, and honey. Slap it on the wound and hold pressure. Done. High blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes 2. These are easily fixed without medicine at all. Tell patient you too fat stop eating. Bowlegged child? Drink your fucking milk. Goiter? We got this shit called seaweed, put it in soup.In America it's bad. Fatties just don't give a shit. They go to the emergency room because of a splinter or bee sting. They get an ekg, lab draws a rainbow for blood work, doctor talks for five minutes then spends an hour writing notes, documenting, billing and coding, $28,743.67 + tip. The real treatment for splinter is an ice cube and tweezers. If no allergies the treatment for beesting is a scraping tool roughly credit card shaped and a little chewed up tobacco.It's frustrating to work in health because most patients don't deserve care. Ask what drugs they are prescribed, the dose, frequency, and how compliant they are. The answers you get will make you sick. They don't know and they don't care. They are bored and want attention. Going to the hospital is basically a hobby or replacement for religion
>>83677334>50 bucks off the paycheckIn socialist countries you give 20-30% of your paycheck for health insurance and another 20-30% to social insurance and you still have to pay income tax on top of that. Someone that makes $100k in the US would be making $40k in the average western EU country.
>>83678583You dont get most of those things here. The tax paid services are prescribed, sone stuff cost extra if its deemed not necesary. The problem is modern medical procedures can be very expensive thus hard to pay from pocket. Also burgers have huge health expenditures, you are number 1 for healt expenditures as % of GDP in the world, I think its something like 17% while most euros are around 10%. That money must come from somewhere, regardless if its taxes or private payments.
>>83678638>>83678689huh? I didn't pay that much. It was only really like $70 a paycheck medi-Cal for me when I was making $95k.
>>83678638Health insurance itself is ca. 15% of paycheck here, tho pension insurance is higher. >>83678689The GDP/expenditure ratio includes full expenditures (public+private). For your case it depends what was covered by your insurence.
