Where do you get your morality from?
>>83840912the simpsons tv show
>>83840912The Earth and the Sky, the Mother and the Father, the safe and the explorative, the woman and the man. Oh, it is such a good religion - you just protect the one you love and kill everyone else if they threaten your loved one.
>>83840912My mind.
>>83840912People say God, but I imagine morality can be explained through evolution, whether it be genetic or memetic. Behaviors that were conducive to better social cooperation and reproduction, which was what let humanity succeed on Earth, were passed down more than asocial behaviors. An antisocial rape grug who takes what he wants, carries around a big club, and makes his genes spread through the rape of other men's partners is going to be outgunned by scrawny men who have been sharing food and stone tool techniques. Shit like homosexuality is often unconducive to a healthy civilization and you'll often see it frowned upon in the more successful culturesIt's also why rape in war is a recent crime. Up until recently, no one really gave a shit about what people did to those who were not in the in-group.
>>83840912From the morality storage facility like everyone else
>>83840952>but I imagine morality can be explained through evolutionHow do you explain people who exhibit morality that offers no financial, social, egotistical, or any other Darwinian gain?
>>83840993Anomalies exist and these people would have been filtered out in by natural selection. In monkey troops, monkeys who don't listen to the pecking order will either have to assert their dominance and rearrange the hierarchy, be banished, or will just be dragged and have their neck ripped out. It was no different for humans
>>83840912Do unto others...
>>83840912I simply do not have morals
>>83840912Morals are part of why we dominate the absolute fuck out of this planet. It allows us to have some level of trust between each other and form civilization. Ofc theres exceptions, bad people and bigger reasons why we're so dominant (like pattern recognition) but it is part of it
>>83840912A thorough examination of those I have been exposed to, keeping what works and holds up to scrutiny while discarding what doesn't work, doesn't hold up, or is born of idealism and wishful thinking and disconnected from reality and possibility.
>>83840912from my feelings
>>83840912the semen i suck out of righteous men after i seduce them into cheating on their wives
>>83841500>righteous men>cheating on their wiveshoney im sorry
>>83840912From the heart.
>>83840912SimpleI pinch myself it hurtsI wouldn't want others to pinch me so I don't pinch othersIts Empathy
>>83840912cartoons, games and anime/manga
>>83840912Myself. I'm God.
>>83840912Catholicism.Have a good day.
From 2 stone tablets some guy on a mountain placed in an ark.
>>83840912based chimpchud BTFOing babtroons
>>83840993>people who exhibit morality that offers no financial, social, egotistical, or any other Darwinian gain?Like who?
>>83840912Marx, Hitler, and the Lutheran faith
>>83842227KEKYou just know that 2 million years ago we were just as dumb as we are now.
>>83840912Books on moral philosophy and valuation primarily. If you don't actually read these things and think critically about the subject, I don't see how you couldn't just be getting your views on morality as common sense inherited from society
>>83840912From what works, is healthy, is fair, meritocratic, proven scientifically and which benefits society in some way
>>83840952Retarded argument which ultimately reduces to moral relativism.
>>83840912Like me personally or humanity in general?
>>83840912>Where do you get your morality from?The America First show (I'm not American).
>>83840912Survival.Moral structure came about because we were smart enough as a species to recognize that total social anarchy worsens quality of life, safety and longevity for all, so we constructed a complex society to protect and empower each other and thus ourselves, but a set of behavioral guidelines by which all actions are evaluated was needed to protect that complex society we built. Acts that are beneficial for society are considered virtuous, acts that are detrimental to society are considered immoral, and acts that do not affect society at all are considered amoral. Donating to charity, working in a soup kitchen, virtuous. Killing, stealing and raping, immoral. Farting in your room while alone, amoral. Etc. If we all abandon that mutually beneficial social structure entirely, all of our lives materially worsen potentially resulting in the end of our species if things get bad enough. Some species survive through brute strength, others through camouflage or evasive maneuvers; we persist through collaboration. Collaboration is human nature.
>>83840912i have no morality
>>83840912A get my morality from a tribe of violent desert men whose deity commands them to bash their children's skulls in with heavy rocks for disobedience. The deity also demands weekly animal sacrifices and occasionally tells his followers to slaughter their neighbors' children.He is the source of all truth and love and I want to live with him for a gajillion years in outer space when I die.
>>83841006Some anomalies don't harm survival, they are just there, and they often just pass along. If one of grugs is particularly fond of picking his nose, but otherwise pretty normal, who cares.>>83840993You just don't understand it yet, that's how. Anything that accidentally makes survival easier, even allergies, will stay.
1) I have an emotional kind of empathy and desire to be good to others.2) Mutual self-interest with my common man (society would be even worse if it was a total amoral circus of cheating and violence)3) Being the person my parents want me to be
>>83843216>society would be even worse if it was a total amoral circus of cheating and violenceAnon I have bad news for you
>>83843220I wrote "even" for a very good reason. And no matter how misanthropic and blackpilled you are, you can't say everyone is bad all the time, it just doesn't match reality.
>>83840912morality is a meme. convenience is law, and underlying that is the limbic system evolved under stress in the pleitoscene era. It dictates most of our behavior this legacy system, much more than a modern urbanite would be inclined to admit. the law of the jungle is what's left once every other memed-into-existence human institution dissolves.
>>83840912very early mirroring and relational shit and also intuition. i think most people intuit that no one or no thing really is ultimately separate. to various degrees
>>83841069>Do unto others...Well I don't believe in material possessions, so I guess stealing is fine. Also pain gets me off, so it must be ok to hit others too."Do unto others" completely fails to recognize that people are different and react differently to different situations.
if a species can even argue about ethics, then most of its members already converge on preferences that make something like this rule viable. even if there are edge cases it would probably be worth following. at least unless a single actor has enough power to nullify the collective constraints the rule depends on
>>83842983Can you explain why the argument is wrong or stupid without your response being that it has implications you dont like?
>>83842983>No argument just inept screeching
>>83843006You're not alone I used to watch Nick for a very long time because it was funny. I'm not American.
>>83840912I've put a lot of thought into morality and realized that it is quite luck based. It is the outcomes that determine if actions are right or wrong. Intent is completely irrelevant. If you shove someone, you could have just saved their life inadvertently from a stray bullet or something. Or they might fall and crack their head open and die. Maybe the life you saved, that person goes on to murder 10 people. One action that may hurt another, wont even bother someone else and you have no way of knowing which one they are. It's all guess work, probabilities, the only way to be moral is to have omnipotence. The safe bet is inaction. I see in myself the same evil I see in others, but I redeem myself through inaction. The mother of all vices.One thing can be certain though, moral absolutists are evil. All the problems in the world can be attributed to them tripping over each other trying to make their version of a better world. Not wise enough to know that they do not know.
>>83840912According to divine command theorists. The ONLY reason they're not currently raping and murdering people is because God told them not to or something. Otherwise they'd be doing it. Yikes. Meanwhile the reason deontologists aren't raping and murdering people is because it violates the categorical imperative. Who would you rather trust? Kek.Who would you rather trust. 1. Free will believer who has to constantly and actively "choose" not to rape or murder people. And the only reason he's not doing it is because he thinks God said it's a sin or something. Or 2. Determinism believer who doesn't suffer from having to make those choices in the first place. They simply don't have the propensity, proclivity, predisposition, capacity, or capability to commit such an act. It isn't their nature. Geez it's a tough choice.
>>83844584>>83840912"Free will" is a lie. If the only reason you're not raping and hurting people is because you have to actively "choose" against it or because your interpretation of a 2000 year old book "said so". That says more about your nature.
>>83840912The Bible and various religious leaders. That's the only way I was able to realize killing your unborn children is wrong. There's simply no other way to tell.
>>83840912>I would feel bad if I did this>I would go to jail if I did this >Jesus Christ
>>83840912Mostly common sense. Like I don't want that done to me so I won't do it others or I'd like it if someone did that for me so I'd do it for others. Some from media I've consumed and real life experiences.
>>83842983How does that disprove his argument
>>83840912Myself. And it goes something like this: people I like shouldn't die. People I don't like can burn for all I care.
>>83842983Is is as stupid as plugging your ears at the fact that the sun will explode because it might make people depressed and foster the feeling that nothing mattersYou have no argument other than you wouldn't like what it means for mankind, which is not an argument at all
