why is everybody and their mom a commie sympathizer now
Why are you a right wing incel chud?
Because people start getting poorer and elites richer than ever. Communism was born in these extreme circonstances
>>83849370People finally woke up and realized that they are not, in fact, temporarily embarrassed millionaires. It's what happens when the american dream is not only dead but beaten worse than a dead horse.It's just a reactionary stance though of course, they don't truly mean it.But crapitalism and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race.
>>83849370>fat on wealth made by others labourfat on wealth made using stolen raw materials gained through neocolonial exploitation and an unbalanced global trade system you goddamn socialist
>>83849370Right wingers be like >please execute me in the streets for practicing my first and second amendment rights
>>83849404>please execute me in the streets for advancing the interests of the bourgeois liberal ruling class as a social fascistfixed
>fat on wealth made by others labourhe said, and then demanded welfare & taxes
>>83849413>literal government goons>>they are not the soldiers of the elites!Right wingers are retarded
>>83849370All i see is a masked effeminate homosexual and his gay ass flag. So scary
>>83849425Nobody wants taxes, but some welfare systems are objectively good and/or required for a functional society in exchange for other laws more amenable to business operations. Namely, selective healthcare, including disability (the best system remains a tightly government-controlled insurance competition system however, e.g. switzerland), unemployment (necessary if employment laws are at-will and extremely important if there is no mechanism to guarantee jobs, a concept that is even worse on the welfare scale and objectively bad for the population as make-work jobs must be created en masse), and pension (allowing people to pursue public benefit careers that are not sufficiently well-paid to save independently for a pension, usually either due to required unit economics for the benefit to be realized in the society (the alternative is heavy government subsidy, which is worse), or that are too risky (massive upside but low success rate) to compensate at scale, requiring lots of workers in the domain for great benefits).Overall the goals that must be achieved by any system for a functional society are:- Keep people healthy for as long as possible- Keep people housed independently for as long as possible- Take care of the old or disabled (this is widely so that people are incentivized to benefit society as they, too, will eventually receive these benefits, and is a very common conversation point about companies removing corpo pensions and constantly increasing pension age requirements with decreasing pension amounts relative to inflation, in countries like the US for instance).
>>83849431the american state has been hollowed out for decades. the true ruling class are the bourgeois liberals who control the private sector and the professions
>>83849377ok government bootlicker retard thats a common literary technique called a strawman
>>83849462I should make point 3 more explicit and split into two parts:- Take care of the old or disabled- Incentivise people to benefit society even as they will eventually become old and disabled.
>>83849500The private sector is controlled by the business men that were on stage during trumps inauguration wtf are you talking about?
>>83849381Communism was born out of much more dire circumstances than what we live in now. People are too comfortable for a revolution to be feasable.
>>83849548That was the main learnings the elites have acquired in the past many decades: they have pinpointed exactly how much of the population you have to keep happy to prevent uprisings even as the vast majority are living in conditions worse than middle age serfs.
a retarded fat chud is about to become a trillionaire while almost no zoomers can find a job, millions are being laid off for ai, the situation is much worse than the gildead age and the robber barrons, communism makes sense as the alternative is we have ai owning tech nerd overlords, instead of sharing the ai profits equally as a society
>>83849462>Nobody wants taxesLeftists are constantly increasing taxes on the working class to pay for the underclass's welfare.
>>83849539you mean the tech goobers? not even close. finance is liberal, media is liberal, law is liberal, academia and science is liberal. liberals are the ruling class, not two tech dipshits and some of the oil and retail guys
>>83849570Since when republicans are leftist?
>>83849570Yes, but that's because they're stupid. They don't want the tax either but they think that 1) it's necessary to get the welfare (a kind of either false dichotomy or red herring depending on how they reached that conclusion, but irrelevant since it's always just propaganda-driven anyway) and 2) they are too financially clueless to understand the consequences of the tax plans being proposed and believe they will apply to the rich and not in fact to anyone but the rich.
>>83849571No, finance is turbo right wing. Every financefag is a borderline unironic nazi.Business is a bit more mixed but about 70% very strongly right wing as well.
>>83849381>>83849394>Communism was born in these extreme circonstancesAnd then communism only exacerbated these circumstances and made everyone even more poorer.
>>83849594>Every financefag is a borderline unironic nazi.>DEI is right wing
>>83849618you don't want the key lime pie anymore
>>83849594look at who wall street donates to lol, it's the dems
>>83849618Yes. Are you not aware of the amazon memo? Look it up.
Right or left eitherway my penis stays the same size.>muh dickYes it's important for confidence and fending off insecurities.
>>83849653You are looking at money donated instead of individual donators, forgetting that donations are a business tool in this context aimed at furthering the business. As mentioned in >>83849691 big companies very strongly benefit from DEI and control mechanisms on businesses, because it prevents small companies from competing and they have the capital to coast through them. By making large donations, they can even become exempt from them.
>>83849702>UHMMM THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY WOKE, THEY ONLY SUPPORT WOKE BECAUSE IT FURTHERS THEIR INTERESTS!!!that was exactly my point lol, tomato tomato
>>83849731I'm sorry, I thought I was talking to an intelligent, albeit confused, anon. I didn't realize you were clinically retarded.
this isnt communist bro this is simple human decency and noticing reality.OP is probably a bot or glowie.
>>83849736what exactly is the difference between supporting dems with donations for economic reasons and being a dem supporter for gay reasons? spoiler; there isn't one
>>83849691BlackRock s high performance culture is what enables us to stay ahead of clients needs. It challenges us to be forward thinkers, problem solvers and innovators. A high performance culture also requires diversity, empathy, equity, respect and inclusion.I know our culture is not perfect. It depends on the contribution of 16,500 individuals. And in some cases, certain employees have not upheld BlackRock standards. I have made it clear to employees that we want to know when that happens, and those individuals dont have a place at BlackRock. Rooting out misconduct and ensuring an environment that doesnt allow it is critical to building the culture we all aspire to and ensuring everyone can experience BlackRock at its best. That is why we are taking a number of actions internally to promote an environment of respect and inclusivity and making enhancements to our processes for investigating employee complaints
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>>83849756Once again, go read the amazon memo. What do you think amazon says internally? Get a brain retard. They all have the same playbook.
>>83849370>Epstein golem posting what he was trained to doMoot-owned mind slave.
>>83849789>he thinks what /pol/ became is what /pol/ was meant to beActual goycattle you are.
>>83849370I GOT NO MONEY DOOD
>>83849789Do you know the story of Golem?It turned against it's creator.Pol created pizza gate. Pizza gate destroyed and killed Epstein.
>>83849851Pizza gate?Debunked!!!!!!!!
>>83849370It's called class conscience. Socialism is the natural position that a working person comes to when they're not exposed to 24/7 propaganda.
>>83849851It was actually a liberal journalist who brought the Epstein case to wide public attention in 2019 that actually led to his arrest and death.
>>83849370Because unregulated capitalism is horrific.
>>83849370I think we should just hang them by their ankles until they suffocate to death on the weight of their own lungs
>>83849370The post is how I feel about all kikes infesting my country tbqh if it wasn't for the faggot pfp I would agree without hesitation
>>83849805>he thinks /pol/ isn't ground zero for literal psy-op mindslavery and he "broke free" and went rogueOh yeah, you definitely have new ideas that I don't hear repeated ad nauseam by Fox News and 60-somethings on Facebook. What a bold groupthinking internet poster you are. Congrats.
>>83849885Sorry Chud, your crazy theories are debunked!!!!!!!https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-38156985
>>83849370>elitesThis is populist rhetoric; not commie. Btw
>>83849370Because you are in the comment section of some leftie retard thinking everyone with an lgbt flag represents the average person. LMAO!
>>83849381The upper class is actually the fastest growing of the three classes right now.
>>83849885yes they arrested him simply because goyim on twitter were enraged and then he also killed himself yes thats what happened
>CEO tells another ridiculous lie>market cap grows by another trillion dollars
if you are poor and not a commie then you are quite literally a cuckold who will slave away so someone else can get rich and drown in pussy
>>83849938how is that measured?worldwide, that makes sense but in the west I doubt that.
>>83850336Wrong.Get properly educated or start a business and you can get rich too.Capitalism allows social mobility.
>capitalism has utterly failed>why people want something else??idk OP if america is the richest country why do 60-70% of households don't even have $1000 in savings and all it takes is one accident or medical emergency to put them in the kill line. no one is thriving just surviving
>>83849918She also specifically mentions that the elites are rich because of the labor of the workers, which is leftist rhetoric. Right wing "populists" claim to hate elites, but they support capitalism, the very system which creates elites in the first place.Socialism is the only true form of anti elitism. Right wing populism is entirely funded by conservative billionaires and just aims to make corporations more power.
I'm not a commie, I just want the same capitalism my parents and grandparents had, not this corrupt bullshit where corporations spend money to buy politicians.
>>83849370>>83849377gee https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-trump-says-he-wants-to-drive-housing-prices-up-not-down
>>83850389god forbid houses be places to live instead of retirement funds, I've given up on ever owning a home and many young people are the same.
>>83850349once you are rich you stop being a commie but until then you should be oneonly you matter everyone else exist only to hold you back
>>83850384that is the natural progression of deranged boomer capitalismyou're just too dumb to realize they were exploiting third worlders to have that lifestyle. it wasn't enough so they had to metaphorically eat their children as well.
>>83849370Nothing ever happens. You will keep complaining and nothing will change, literally nothing. I cannot wait for you goyim to start killing one another over semantics and identity politics so paper thin, you can shine a light through. So tired of reading buzzword after buzzword, no explanation for any underlying mechanisms, never addressing any actual points and worst of all, the greatest sin ever, not realizing how fucking pointless politics has become and will always be. The prophecy I made before "You will kill your neighbors before you kill your oppressors" rings so fucking true, all you dipshits wanna do is complain and bitch.
>>83850384You fail to see that capitalism is self destructive; the prosperity of previous generations was because capitalism was less developed. As corporate monopolies get bigger, the wealth of the capitalist class will continue to grow. As it does, the living standard of the proletariat will continue to decline, leading to breakdown of social cohesion, and the degradation of all aspects of society.
>>83850512>You fail to see that capitalism is self destructiveI know that very well, we need to maintain the guard rails that ensured the working class got the fruits of their labor. we tore them down little by little, its time to rebuild them.
>>83849938Is that like the same bullshit measure they used to claim that crapitalism lifted people from poverty? For background, they decided that poverty meant "lives on less than US$1 per day". Nevermind that before crapitalism this $1 meant owning a house and having all the food you could ever want, it's OK, they're real winners now. After all, on their $3/day, they can now afford to eat dirt cookies and be homeless. They're not poor anymore.
>>83850349Virtually every single successful business owner comes from money. Look it up. It absolutely does not allow social mobility. The days where education meant something have been gone for over 50 years.
>>83849370Faggots commies don't know a Jew created communismYou're a bunch of retards
>>83850643Jews created bolshevism. Commies outplayed them and kicked them out. Stalin purged jews and made Lenin flee. Stupid boomer tourist doesn't even know the whole story
>>83850658Without the retarded revolution there would have been no commies faggot there would still be the Romanov to this day and age ruling you gay ass licker
>>83850686In the end, monarchies are the most successful systems we've ever had not just from a geopolitical power perspective, but also for the wellbeing of the people.
>>83849370every important billionaire in America just got exposed as a sadistic pedophile?
>>83849370there is /pol/ where you can talk about old people shit
>>83850686Don't care. They expelled the jews. Outplayed them even. That's why international banking financed and armed hitler to attack the soviet union. Turns out removing monarchy and moneylenders makes the hat tribe nervous
>>83850714You don't care Jew ass licker faggot
>>83849370why do retards who have never a book since high school have strong opinions about the evils of communism?
>>83849611it didn't, life under the USSR was far better than under the rule of international capital. and today China has the biggest middle class and eliminated poverty.
>>83850719Ok bro keep supporting christianity/capitalism/judeoamerica that have brought you things like.. epstine island lolFunny how Kim Jong Un, Putin, Xi, Khamenei and so on aren't part of your deranged cabal
>>83850758Sarcasm or a bit too high on the propaganda?
>>83849370Probably because Communist China is thriving while Capitalist America hasn't seen a quality of life increase since the 1990's and people can't afford groceries or healthcare or a home. Young people are constantly exposed to Chinese media through tiktok now and are seeing that the grass is in fact greener on the other side and their life is shit and Capitalism failed to deliver on any of its promises.Stupid chuds will still die defending their Jewish oligarchs though rather than accept they were wrong about Communism.Fun fact: 90% of Chinese people own their own home. In a country where Americans think no one is allowed to own property.
>>83850818In what universe? Chinkistan has some of the highest income disparity in the world. Their poor live like 1500's impoverished serfs. The only way upward in the society is to marry into riches. Chink products are globally known as being worst-in-class at all levels. Their economy is so broken the government manipulates the data to make shit up. Chink companies constantly scam people and it's the only way they know how to stay afloat (think things like luckin coffee). The middleclass are mindless fully surveilled slaves (996, AI-based auto surveillance, constant false positives that automatically pipe into humiliation/defamation campaign)
>>83849381Actually it was born in an environment where the civil service and military were opposed to the throne and/or legislators.
>>83850818Fake and gayhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes/Read it and weep chink
>>83850863its so funny when rightoids regurgitate CIA propaganda that is older than they are. when did you first hear about "Chinese living like impoverished 1500's serfs" and how long have you been repeating it?I swear, why are goy golems so easily brainwashed? They just never question anything they're told and will repeat it for decades without ever updating their programming. It's so funny.
>>83849370Because the democrats aren't in power. I guarantee that in 2028 support for the American regime will be completely restored overnight.
>>83850787your entire perception of China and the USSR is formed by western epstein client propaganda. if you honestly believe Russia was better off under british rule or China was better off 100 years ago you are a retard.
>>83850888>decade old article>from the opinion section>of a billionaire tabloid that exists purely as propaganda for the jewslolgoycattle gonna goycattle
>>83850888>forbesyou are so easily manipulated it's embarrassing.
which way, Western man? will you continue eating up the jewish propaganda or embrace communism for the good of your community?
>>83850952Can't we go back 200 years for British World Order?
>>83850956The british are the reason the world is a dogshit hellhole dominated by capitalists and jews, why would you want to go back when you'll just repeat history?Build a new future instead of clinging to the myths of the past.
>>83850956yeah and you can work in a steel factory for 18 hours a day so your fat ass boss can get rich and if you go on strike the police shoot you
>>83850899I heard about it a few years back when I went to china in person and saw it with my very eyes. Keep coping.
>>83850336this90% of capitalism supporters are cia-brainwashed goycattle and literal cuckold slaves who will die making less than a fraction of what their masters made
>>83850956Are you for serious? The brits are the genuine, non-meme source of all evil in the world. Not the commies, not the jews, not the mudshits. The brits. They are unironically the most evil thing on the planet.
>>83849370This is literally just leftists and they are known globohomo npcs and retards.
>>83849370On a scale of zero to 10 , do you have any photos of your mom when she was a baddie?
>>83850336Communism does not mean you don't work. Communism means you work very hard for much much less. Commietards seem to think communism is akin neeting on welfare. Communism is actual slavery.
>>83851028>Communism is actual slavery.You are Jewish. The world will be better without you.
>>83850888>imagine still believing jewish outletsI hope you're a boomer or you must be hopelessly retarded lol
>>83851031>shills for jewish slave ideologyOk, shill.
>>83851046So do you want communism or homogenous facism?
>>83851048>calling me a shill for Jews>here's why we need to maintain Capitalism so Jeffrey Epstein and his billionaire Jewish friends can continue raping white children and forcing white women into porn COMMUNISM LE BAD
>>83851048>says the nation utterly hopelessly controlled by jewsyou golems are beyond belief lol
>>83849398>you goddamn socialistIdk man... I'm pretty sure a socialist would sum up capitalism the same way you have.
>>83849381no it wasn't. communism was born in germany in an attempt to destroy the russian empire, and it only coopted already existing class struggle ignited by the horrendous working conditions. coopting existing social points is a modus operandi for the oligarchy that created the communism (and led it for quite some time)
>>83851055>>83851068>>83851075>i hate jews!>make me a slave daddy jew!You want another USSR with a jewish super elite at the helm. You are a brain damaged retard.
>>83851053fascism has never proven to be a viable ideology and they lost to Communism
>>83851100>Communism is actually a Jewish plot to destroy the West>Even though Jews have the highest incomes and have the most to lose from Communism due to their nature as money-changers, speculators, and scammers and unwillingness to engage in productive labor that benefits their society>This is why we need Capitalism, without the Jews, so the West can finally prosper and uhhhh...bring back the gilded age or some shitWhat goes through the brain of a rightoid to rationalize their internal contradictions? Why would Jews, the people who rule the current world and already enslaved you, want to support an ideology that seeks to destroy the current world and liberate humanity?Also, Marx hated Jews.
>>83851100less than 10% of the bolsheviks were jewish and many of them like trotsky got purged. your fixation on jews is retarded regardless.
>>83851111rightoid retards simultaneously believe the west is controlled by jews but their biggest enemies russia and china are also controlled by jews. there is no coherence.
>>83851111>Also, Marx hated Jews.lol>Marx's family was originally non-religious Jewish
>>83850952Chinese hegemony sees browns with freshly built roads, schools, hospitals and more mining jobs. Western/Jewish hegemony saw browns having too many minerals stolen and homes bombed out so much, they had to migrate en mass to get anything like normal life in the goyim metropole.
>>83851138Marx genuinely was extremely antisemitic if you read his writings. He hated the Jewish supremacist behavior and tribalism inherent to Jewish culture.
>>83849370I would be a commie but I hate the fag and immigrant glazing that's rampant in those circles
>>83851144This is exactly right. The reason China doesn't have mass migration is because they make Africa livable for Africans. The reason America and Europe have mass migration is because they steal all of Africa's resources and then are surprised that Africans follow the money since they want a good quality of life. Mass migration solves itself if you just make the other countries livable so people don't need to immigrate for a job. Jews can't profit from this though so they hate it. The IMF is absolutely seething that China stole their "economic development" scheme and is now the primary developer in Africa.
>>83851164western academics spent decades trying to make communism as unappealing is possible by injecting it with lib fag shit.
>>83851111>why would the people already in power want to lock in communism?Because communism has no mobility except for dicksucking, you commie subhuman.
>>83850818>Fun fact: 90% of Chinese people own their own home.No one in China owns their home. Property ownership isn't a thing there, they own 99 year leases. Seriously, look it up.
>>83851164I'm a commie and I don't support mass immigration or the lgbtq agenda. That's separate from letting gays exist of course, it's not the state's business what adults do in their home. I just don't want their propaganda everywhere trying to victimize children.This is pretty much the normal commie opinion outside the West. Talk to any African, Latin American, Arab, or Asian Marxist and they don't support any of this liberal nonsense.
>>83851100you can't be real. you're a literal zogbot lol
>>83851176we have mass migration because the elites want it. if they didn't we could tell all the migrants to fuck off. but they are invited here by the elites to drive down wages and create racial conflicts that divert attention from the ruling class crimes
>>83851176>The reason China doesn't have mass migration is because they make Africa livable for Africans.What the fuck are you on about? They don't have mass migration because they don't give out free shit and they actually deport foreigners.
>>83851206right wing subhumans think they're dissident for yapping about jews while supporting every action and agenda of the zog
>>83851148>trusts what a jew says not what he doesyeah, no
>>83851206>USSR executed 20mil for non-conforming to the commie retard goy-cattle worldview>USSR shooting the cattle they forced into battle for trying to get out of itYou're not even human.
>>83851219But that's what he's saying tho. China, along side having standard anti-illegal migrant policy, also is making developing brown's countries much better to the point that browns can live thier lives in thier countries and never have to migrate in the first place. It's a CRUCIAL difference.
>>83851223No one has to support current conditions to not support commie retardation.
>>83851195in america they steal your house if you don't pay property tax. and way more people here are without any form of home ownership and have to spend huge portions of their income on rent. so your on-paper "rights" and "ownership" are actually meaningless in practice and you'd be better off under the Chinese system.
>>83851255you literally do not know anything about communism you retarded faggot epstein defender.
>>83851249Correct. Rightoids think the world is just a series of walls that can be opened and closed at will and if you just say "No" the brown people won't show up to your doorstep. In reality, people will do anything if they're desperate. Removing desperation is the only way to prevent migration. Developing the third world could've saved Europe and America decades of brown invasions. Also not bombing the Middle East which created the entire migrant crisis in the first place. Whoops. But hey, Israel benefited right?
>>83851245>jewmerica told me so it must be trueand yes every war of yours was fought for freedom lmao. get out
>>83851249Chinese companies in Africa are required, by both the Chinese government and said African country, to train natives to do work like thier sweatshop workers do. Sounds brutal but that's the price of actually trying to develop yourselves. ZOG agents wouldn't ever want this because they want those minerals to stay real cheap. So they do a coup and install yet another retarded African dictator.
>>83851245the population increased under the USSR. the holodomor was a lie created by nazi scum.
>>83850994>drags the world kicking and screaming into the industrial revolution >establishes the long-term infrastructure for international shipping>saves Europe a billion times in a row>gets backstabbed by every ally and forgives them every timeThe Brits are the heroes of world history and Brit-haters are spiritual niggers.
>create a small totalitarian committee and:>take all my rights!>I don't want freedoms!>kill me for having a unique thought!>i want to work for nothing!>squeeze me into a small home with 10 strangers!Holyshit, communists need to all be beheaded. Cattle humans.
>>83849370This is a homosexual, their opinions arent worth shit.
>>83851360>create a small totalitarian committee and:explain how this is different from the US or EU political systems.every communist leader is elected just like yours, kike.
>>83851360China has a better standard of living so no one gives a shit about your made up "rights." the US government just shot and killed 2 people for opposing ice. you cry about communist political persecutions but they just killed nazis.
>>83851376I can leave freely, without smuggling myself out by boat or needing government approval. I can hustle and make money in various ways, my income isn't locked into 200 points a week, I can accumulate. I don't live off vouchers/ration cards. Oh, and I have individual rights in a republic, you can't just kidnap me for reeducation in some death camp for not being a conformist bugman.
>>83851410China does not have a higher standard of living than the US by most metrics. Two people committing suicide by cop is a statistical rounding error.
>>83851417>I can leave freely, without smuggling myself out by boat or needing government approval.You actually can't without a passport lol, which requires government approval.>Oh, and I have individual rights in a republic, you can't just kidnap me for reeducation in some death camp for not being a conformist bugman.I'm guessing you're being sarcastic so I won't even bother. Good one though.
>>83851417Obviously all of this is changing. Because we have a growing population of communist subhuman lapping up the goyslop.
>>83851249>also is making developing brown's countries much betterThey aren't and even if they did it wouldn't matter. There aren't Chinese African countries and European African countries sending their migrants in different directions. They are all going to Europe because that's who gives them free shit instead of a swift boot.
>>83851429You are a subhuman.
>>83851474>I wanna be cattle!
>>83851474>ChatGPT, tell me why Communism bad, Capitalism good?good goycattle, let AI tell you how to think, don't worry about who's funding it.
>>83851419China surpasses the US in every metric especially those relating to basic needs. cops kill hundreds every year and we have the largest prison population.
>>83850658>Stalin purged jews and made Lenin fleeMost historically literate commieLenin died before Stalin tool power and started purges. You fucking retard.
>>83851474chatgpt, which gets its information from western CIA mouthpieces. liberals are truly subhuman retards.
>>83851486Because china isn't full of retards trying to destroy their nation and genocide themselves. They haven't imported a bunch of inassimilables to further those ends, neither.
>>83851483>>83851502Google and read a book about it then, dumb fucks. Nothing there is wrong.
>>83851504the liberal capitalists whose boots you lick invited them. but apparently the failures of capitalist countries are never their own fault and real capitalism has never been tried.
>>83851504okay but why are you on /r9k/ spreading jewish propaganda instead of doing it on /pol/? do they still pay you if it's on the wrong board?
>>83851257>and way more people here are without any form of home ownership and have to spend huge portions of their income on rent.Renting is cheaper in terms of ongoing monthly costs than owning a home with a mortgage.
>>83851513>the liberalsYes, the communists. The communists are the very people that love the idea of importing a bunch of foreigners because they know it will destroy the nation and allow them to assume control with their world government, commie jewtopia. Dipshit.
>>83851486No it doesnt, the US still has a higher quality of life than China by most metrics. If you think the cops are bad just watch a few minutes of body cam footage and you will see that 99% of the time they are the good guys.
>>83851520your liberal democracy is the one that imported them. have some self awareness you retarded subhuman.
>>83851500I think he meant Trotsky
>>83851520>The communists are the very people that love the idea of importing a bunch of foreignersso why does China not have foreigners? and why did the USSR not have foreigners?
>>83849370Because people are idiots and are completely ignorant and have zero clue about how economics work. See, just look here:>>83850758>>83850818>China>Literal fascist economic structure (they are inherently national syndicalist and if you think otherwise you're admitting you don't know what china's economy is)>ONLY became globally relevant once they ditched communism and liberalized economy under Deng>implying they've eliminated poverty when huge swaths of rural chinese live in abject poverty compared to western countries>Current crisis of deflation because of falling real estate prices (they staked their entire economy and tax structure on this not happening btw)Actually fucking hilarious that people are this delusional.I DO acknowledge China's an incredible success story of rightist social policy and fascist economics but let's not fuckin pretend like it's an actual example of communism in action.83850818>Young people are constantly exposed to Chinese media through tiktok now and are seeing that the grass is in fact greener on the other side and their life is shit and Capitalism failed to deliver on any of its promises.Uhuh I'm sure that's why the Lying Flat movement is gaining popularity, why China isn't facing even worse demographic collapse than the US, and why the Yuan has been in a massive deflationary spiral since around 2020.Most of the working class genuinely ARE retarded cattle who won't bother to listen to a single book on economics, which is how you get commie faggots who butcher quotes from Marx and haven't got a clue how China actually operates glazing a system that was an abject failure.
>>83851531The USSR had plenty of foreigners, in places they conquered.
>>83851531To overthrow you retarded faggot.
>>83851525>No it doesnt, the US still has a higher quality of life than China by most metricsit doesn't. China has everything that young people in the US wish they could have. efficient public transport, beautiful clean cities, affordable cost of living, education, home ownership and healthcare. there is no quality of life in america anymore.
>>83849370Communism is the just another angle of the feminine, extractor intellectual elite. Ultimately the goal is to enslave the male of the species and live off it's productive labor without conceding anything. Every one of these ideologies ultimately boil down to delegating work, because no one wants to do it.
>>83849906>>83849789>Moot suppressed gamergate on all boards>Moot made /pol/ as a containment chamber for right wing thought>Deliberately let it get infested by feds>Mods pizzagate shit as it was happening even though it's now confirmed to be entirely true>It's basically been an open secret that the MAJORITY of /pol/'s traffic is literally an israeli bot farm made to demoralize right wing spaces>ACTUAL right wing spaces like Stormfront and IronMarch were deplatformed and are never spoken about while mainstream sources pretend 4chan is "le home of the alt right"It's really funny that newfags pretend like they know literally anything when Moot being in bed with the establishment is LITERALLY only vindicating what rightist people were saying all along.
>>83851548Nope, the US still has a higher average income, higher rates of home ownership, better education and better healthcare than China. I grant you the us has terrible public transit but that doesnt make up for everything else.
>>83851534>I DO acknowledge China's an incredible success story of rightist social policy and fascist economics but let's not fuckin pretend like it's an actual example of communism in action.your fascist ideology was a failure, you have no successful examples of fascism today so you have to steal credit from Communist China. meanwhile hitler who was a subhuman retard, made Marx and Communism his number one enemy before getting fucking CRUSHED by them. now we have subhuman nazis trying to take credit for the success of Communism? LMAO
>>83851556Stormfront talk just like poltards, which shows the failure of the propaganda (though it never stops).
>>83851565Here is a good summary of the issue.
>>83851566Actually China is only nominally communist, a more accurate description of that country would be state capitalism.
>>83851565>Nope, the US still has a higher average incomemeaningless since they spend all of it on their cost of living and student debts>higher rates of home ownershipfalse, 90% of Chinese own homes and the average age of a homebuyer in the US is what, 57?>better education and better healthcare than Chinain China you go to the hospital and you're in an out the same day with no insurance for like 5$. of the world's top 10 universities China dominates with like 7 of them including the #1 and #2 spots. they also don't have to go in massive debt to attend.
>>83851525>No it doesnt, the US still has a higher quality of life than China by most metricsoh okay well if some random retard on the internet says so
>>83851589Im not against China i am simply pointing out that the US still has a higher standard of living. See the little paragraph summary here: >>83851577
>>83851577can you stop spamming your AI goyslop holy fuck get a real opinion instead of just consooming for once in your life you fucking zoomoid
>>83851591Across most metrics; >>83851577
>>83851604Im happy to discuss on a personal level since my wife is Chinese. Some aspects of life in China are indeed more convenient but it comes at a cost: working extremely long hours, living in a small apartment, having little disposable income.
>>83851566>your fascist ideology was a failure, you have no successful examples of fascism todayNo, no I do. It's China. Explain to me how exactly China is communist when:>Private ownership and trade is completely allowed and facilitated by the state>Businesses are nationalized through NATIONAL unions and individual unions are forbidden>Refuse to abolish wage labor>Adopt corporate interests into the state (See: Most of China's billionaires being members of the party and heads of party-run corporations)>Have an ethnically-based policy with surrounding territories of Tibet, HK, and Taiwan and use it to justify expansionAll of these things are National Syndicalist, not communist. None of this is marxist policy. It is literally all beat-for-beat the actions that Mussolini took but with a mix of Singapore's strategy.>now we have subhuman nazis trying to take credit for the success of Communism?All you're doing is proving you have no idea what Communism is. You have no clue what it's definition is, what it represents, or its actual economic policy, which just vindicates my point here: >>83851534
>>83851582lenin addressed this
>>83851617Lenin was wrong, as usual.
>>83851599i do not give a shit about this chatgpt m dash summary that gets its information from 15 year old the guardian and forbes articles
>>83851625No no the data is all pretty recent. I can ask it to provide sources if you want but that would be long and boring.
>>83851617People always point this out and how it was the reason for switching to Dengism, but China only gained massive success on the world stage BECAUSE of liberalized economic policy, and over the past 10 years their economy has been put under more strain the MORE controlled it becomes, same with literally every other nation on earth.Plus, Lenin is a pretty shit source in general. All of his theories went out the window once he came to power and turned his guns on the proletariat and ESPECIALLY the peasantry in order to keep production moving.But yeah I'm sure you'll justify ""war communism"" now the same way people pretend Revolutionary Catalonia was TOTALLY a success.
>>83849370commie sympathizer is the natural position if you are a proletarian everything else is working against your own interests and for Epstein.
>>83851640Nonsense, plenty of proletarians starved or were deported or murdered under communist regimes.
>>83851607what about this metric?>>83851614China still considers itself a developing nation so of course there's issues but China has seen massive jumps in wealth for the average Chinese person. They used to be one of the poorest countries in the world, comparable to African nations, and now they are the world's largest economy in the span of like, 30 years. The average Chinese person has seen a massive jump in their quality of life in that span. Most mainland Chinese have a ton of trust in the CPC as a result of seeing how well Dengist economics has benefited them, especially in comparison to the rest of the world the past few decades.
>>83849370Because the billionaires hoarded up too much wealth without investing back into the lower classes of society. Elites used to fund nice libraries and third spaces, not anymore so people are getting restless.
>>83851650Yes, thanks to capitalist reforms China economy has grown rapidly in the past few decades, it would still be inaccurate to say that it has a higher standard of living than the USA tho.
>>83851650>They used to be one of the poorest countries in the world, comparable to African nations, and now they are the world's largest economy in the span of like, 30 years.and that's only due to dengist policy adopting fascist government structure and way more liberalized economics.
>>83851644sure lol name them
>>83851644>Under Communism there's a chance you'll be starved and killed if your leaders are corrupt>Under Capitalism there's a guarantee you'll be starved and killed because the fundamental ideology is corrupthmm I wonder why people are choosing Communism
>>83851515>not liking open borders is jewish propagandaDo trannies really?
>>83851666Peasants resisting collectivization in the Soviet Union and ChinaRural poor and agricultural laborers who died in mass famines in the Soviet Union China North Korea and CambodiaIndustrial workers accused of sabotage or political disloyaltyUrban working class people labeled counter revolutionary during purgesRank and file soldiers and revolutionaries purged after losing political favorEthnic minority peasants and laborers targeted as unreliableForced labor camp inmates drawn mostly from the lower classesPeasant youth and rural militias killed during mass political campaignsPattern: regimes claiming to rule for the proletariat repeatedly killed actual proletarians when they resisted state goals or were blamed for failure
>>83851666webniggerp is the worst image format ever invented
>>83851669No one is choosing communism because despite capitalisms flaws your chances of starving or being killed are actually infinitesimally small.
>>83851678The Jewish propaganda part is arguing we can't have social services that benefit our society because "muh immigrants" even though it's obvious none of you actually want social services or tackling wealth inequality even if we got rid of the immigrants. Because you're Jewish.
>>83851680canada tried making a memorial for these victims and failed look up why funniest shit all year.
>>83851687NTA but I am Jewish and want both: better social services and less immigration.
>>83851689I am Canadian and I can confirm Canada is an extremely silly place, but that does not mean communism did not kill a lot of people.
>>83851644they killed fascists China hasn't had a famine in over 60 years and USSR also only had one famine, capitalists also had plenty of famines in addition to the tens of millions they've killed worldwide in their imperialist looting campaigns
>>83851659The Chinese are definitely reading Marx and Lenin not mussolini.
>>83851697Actually communist regimes have a long and horrifying record of killing their own citizens en masse not to mention the starvation. China is thankfully communist in name only and the USSR thankfully no longer exists.
>>83851703Most Chinese arent reading either desu.
>>83851687We literally can't because they take more out of the system than they pay in retard. You can't have the Scandinavian model without people who are like Scandinavians. It's not even going to work in Scandinavia soon because there won't be enough natives left to prop the system up.
>>83851658>Yes, thanks to capitalist reforms cope, if capitalism is the reason for China's success why are all other capitalist countries stagnating and declining?
>>83851712Because its easier to catch up than it is to advance once you are already at the front of the pack. If and when China ever becomes a high income economy, its growth will slow proportionately. In fact chinas growth is already slowed down a lot.
>>83851704>Actually communist regimes have a long and horrifying record of killing their own citizens en masse not to mention the starvationthe holodomor was a liethe population increased under Stalin who saved the world from fascism, and all the nazis he killed are used to inflate the numbers of the "victims of communism"
>>83851724The Holodomor unfortunately was not the only mass death under a communist regime.
>>83851724Shalom comrade
>>83851722China is also leading the world in high tech innovation now so they're not catching up or slowing or anything
>>83851727it was a complete fabrication made up by ukrainian nazis
>>83851734Not really, most of the really advanced technology still comes from places like the US and Taiwan. As for growth, it has slowed down immensely compared to its past growth. Chinas economy isnt doing as well right now.
>>83851738Doubtful, but even if true there are dozens of other mass death attributable to communism.
>>83851732your government is literally controlled by israelite epstein clients who manufacture lies like the holodomor
>>83851708California literally funds like the entire southern US economy, why are you blaming migrants for the lack of social programs? I live in a state that could more than fund its entire population to have UBI and healthcare if we didn't have to pay for Alabama's social services because they'd rather spend their tax revenue on tax cuts for Jews. Actually my state does have healthcare, MediCal, and it's pretty damn good and 100% free, and despite all our "illegals" being on it the system still works. So what is the real reason we can't have nice things in other states? Elon Musk spent billions to prevent California High Speed Rail because it'd cut into his car company profits; I don't think immigrants are the problem. The porkies are the problem.
>>83849370Hating the rich isn't communism despite what the rich tell you to think
>>83850818>Communist ChinaChina is national socialist though. Most radical form of capitalism according to Marxism (Jews aren't allowed to run banks, unthinkable!)
>>83851566Provide definition of fascism Third Reich fits but modern China doesn't.
>>83851703If that's the case then why do they have a national syndicalist economy instead of a marxist one?The chinese government only pays lip service to communist ideals, they have no intention of actually following marxist economic doctrine. If they did, then they would be executing their billionaires en masse rather than only killing the ones that become politically inconvenient.
>>83851784HSR is basic economic illiteracy.
>>83851746USSR was the first country to recognize Israel.
>>83849370Nobody would hate the rich if they werent actively destroying the middle class by making everything a subscription, not being able to own a home, making everyone a debt serf, debasing the currency at our expense to their benefit. They are pulling the ladder up behind them because they know historically the middle class is were challengers to their power arise from. You cant have challengers if everyone is a member of the poor.
>>83851809you can tell China won because all the nazis went from "China bad" to "China is actually state capitalist" and now "China is actually national socialist heil Xi I always loved China nihao"By this time next year NPC anons will be shilling Mao's writings on gender equality as part of their "national socialist" reading list.
>>83851813They literally NEVER will because like most communists, they don't actually know what fascism is either.They've never actually read anything Giovanni Gentile has to say, actually, fck that, they haven't even read the works of Jose Antonio PDR despite his speeches and written works being some of the MOST to-the-point descriptions of fascist policy.Like I said before, communists are living proof most people in the working class are well-intentioned but way too fucking ignorant to know the first thing about the things they pretend to give a shit about.
>>83851703China canceled kholhozes in 1979. How can you have communism with communal enterprises? Family farms is petite borgouse attavism. Individual Farmers are vanguard of capitalism exploiting proletariat by bread price gouging.
>>83851840China did well thanks to capitalist economic reforms, if you think that fact is a win for communism you are missing the plot.
>>83851840Provide definition of fascism >>83851813
>>83851854Peak schizophrenia
>>83851840>you can tell China won because all the nazis went from "China bad" to "China is actually state capitalist" and now "China is actually national socialist heil Xi I always loved China nihao"No, I STILL think China is bad. China is ABSOLUTELY fascist, but I think Fascist economics are completely retarded, case in point, the exact problems China is having right now.See: Huge problems with corruption within the corporate state's regulation, Massive conflict of interest once the top leadership is subverted, restrictions of freedom of information, and ultimately economic catastrophe because NO planned economy lasts.I respect what China's done with the fascist model, I really do, but they've got the exact same downsides that they're now incapable of correcting the way that Francisco Franco could. The truth is that Hoppean policy is better than communism OR fascism.
>>83851820The number of billionaires in China is decreasing. Also Chinese billionaires are actually people who made major innovations, and improved people's lives so people actually like them over there, since most industries are state controlled. And unlike in the west the billionaires are subordinate to the government's goals and not the other way around.
>>83851046>don't believe your lying little eyes>trust me, a random retard on the internet who can't even form a coherent thought, let alone express it!
>>83851887I think thats a somewhat naive view of Chinese society.
>>83851915continue reading your forbes articles and fox news subhuman goycattle
>>83851176The home ownership statistics are heavily skewed because of strong intergenerational ties. Namely, when parents grow old, they are expected to move in with the children. The home prices are even less affordable than in cucknada, for example, but the parents will pay for the kid, and will engage their entire network and get loans from their friends to make this work.This is the reason the home ownership rate is so high, it sure as fuck isn't because people can actually afford it (the gap between housing price and wage is the worst in the entire world by very far).In other words, your favorite so-called communist regime made things even more jewish than the worst capitalistic system and people have managed to figure out a way around this (a way that should exist everywhere else, mind, but is IN SPITE OF communism and not at all because of it).
>>83851887>Also Chinese billionaires are actually people who made major innovations, and improved people's lives so people actually like themGenuinely retarded.Say what you want about Jeff Bezos, but Amazon was the start of a revolution in modern logistics and you can't pretend like their services haven't improved the concept of online shopping for millions and created hundreds of thousands of jobs. Gabe Newel completely changed the landscape of gaming and online customer service with his ethic of consumer convenience. EVERYBODY can claim that most billionaires brought some kind of innovation that helped people. That excuse means nothing.>B-B-BUT ELON MUSK MADE LE ELECTRIC CAR, THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LOVE HIM!!!That's what you sound like making excuses for licking the boots of "le heckin innocent rich people">And unlike in the west the billionaires are subordinate to the government's goals and not the other way around.AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAChinese billionaires ARE the government. They aren't in the same way billionaires are in America where they control our regulatory bodies for advantages, but instead they directly control industries.You're either completely ignorant to how China's economy operates or you actually think breaking up unions is a good thing.>yeah man I know that Chinese banks and real estate have been colluding to inflate their economic status>and yeah i know that there's huge amounts of scandal with public funds within state-owned business>and yeah i'm totally aware of the amount of officials who embezzle funds and then hide it with foreign investment>But dude, trust me, that's ALL in the interest of the public.
>>83851325Thank you for proving my point. It's always hilarious when you huff your own propaganda so hard. Everyone else in the world is, thankfully, smarter than that.
>>83851410Bro, china has india-tier standards of living.
>>83851840>"national socialist" reading listthey dont read their current list anywayThere are very few proper nazis its mostly liberals with nazi uniforms,you can tell from which positions they attack socialism.
>>83851953Not quite that bad, but not as good as the US.
>>83851486In your deranged dreams perhaps. Seriously, what the fuck do you smoke?
>>83851964Like most communists he relies on vibes and memes and pop culture rather than anything taken from reality, history, economics.
>>83851959Not quite that bad in major cities today, but anywhere outside them it really is that bad. And 20 years ago even in big cities it was that bad.
>>83851940Amazon was probably pretty good like 20 years ago but since then they've just shit everything up and created a monopoly and put a bunch of people out of businesses. So more accurately they replaced jobs. The government should nationalize amazon.
>>83851978I agree actually, I am anti-communist and anti-trust. Monopolies should be broken up, forcibly if need be.
>>83851971This is what westoid bootlickers do when talking about Chinese poverty from 50 years ago. Meanwhile in that time China has eliminated poverty completely and surpassed the US in every way. Look no further than the trajectory of Chinese vs US manufacturing over the last 20 years.
>>83851978>Amazon was probably pretty good like 20 years ago but since then they've just shit everything up and created a monopolyIn what way are they a monopoly
>>83851993China has done a good job reducing poverty. They have not eliminated it and their standard of living is still behind the US.
>>83851994They buy out any competition, create cheap clone of successful products on or around their platform, own the entire logistic pipeline (via deals with existing infra in such a way that nobody else is allowed to use it in the same way), shit like that.Not him but to me the worst part is they used to have good quality products and ship fast. Now they ship as slow as alibaba and have temu-tier products exclusively.
>>83851993Lots of European countries have eliminated poverty completely as well, and the standards for poverty are considerably higher in those countries.
>>83851994They have a vast network of warehouses and logistics no one else will ever be able to create competition with. There's also AWS which controls much of the internet
>>83852014No country on Earth has eliminated poverty completely.
>>83852007>They have not eliminated it and their standard of living is still behind the US.in what way
>>83849370Libtards will say all that shit and then be like: WHITE CHRISTIANS
>>83852032righttards are still arguing against strawmen from 2015
>>83852024Above all else: income. Americans have much more money than Chinese.
>>83852024Every single way. US has much lower life cost to income ratio, much higher quality education rate (education rate modulated by degree mill rates), much higher house affordability, much lower poverty rate, freedom goes without saying, much lower censorship rates (of course), much higher literacy rates, much higher access to running water, plumbing, electricity and internet...
>>83852038how much does the median person in the US spend on cost of living compared to the median Chinese?
>>83852050US is about $30k per person per year. China is hard to calculate due to unreliable government data but estimated at around $4k per person per year.
>>83852009>They buy out any competition, create cheap clone of successful products on or around their platform, own the entire logistic pipeline (via deals with existing infra in such a way that nobody else is allowed to use it in the same way), shit like that.This stuff actually is true and I agree, and I think it's also another example of regulatory failure. The reason a lot of competitors for the businesses they buy can't open is because of the fact that Copyright and Patent law basically only protects corporate entities. So, I guess, in the end this is just more of an example of state control being a failure more than anything else>>83852018>They have a vast network of warehouses and logistics no one else will ever be able to create competition with. There's also AWS which controls much of the internetTHIS post is retarded though. Alibaba and Temu have created storefronts on par with amazon (even if their products are low quality, but a lot of amazon shit is the exact same, anyways), and most individual storefronts have access to courier services that have facilitated the same types of high speed delivery networks. AWS propping up huge parts of the internet IS a bad thing, but that's the natural fault of how centralization tends to work, same with Windows as an OS. Alternatives already exist to both them and cloudflare even if they're rarely used, but it still can't be called a "monopoly" over the internet. The real 'monopoly" behavior will come if these systems fail and they're bailed out by the state (which they will always be due to soft-socialist economic policy) or if they're allowed to take out huge swaths of the internet and leave others to pick up the pieces with a less centralized network (which won't happen because the state will always fund whoever brings them the highest profits)
>>83852062That makes China sound worse than it is because it doesnt account for public good like mass transit, that China does much better than the US. Still, the difference is huge.
>>83852064>and I think it's also another example of regulatory failureYes absolutely.I don't see it too inherently as a failure of amazon per se or whatever. But it is core to how capitalism functions, and regulations would genuinely reduce the amount of jobs created and gdp implied by amazon's operations. That is to say, there is government incentives to fail their mission because it is more beneficial to the elected official (as opposed to the people) to do so.
>>83852071I agree with the basic idea (about not accounting for public good). I didn't realize the meaning of it when I lived in the US. Now I'm in the EU so it's become very clear to me. I have a much higher quality of life despite earning less because of this.That said, this isn't the right metric to use. Always use ratios. Ratios of what is debatable but numbers don't exist in a vacuum. I personally like "average monthly spare income over average living expense", but the latter is often a biased statistic because the correct way to calculate it is to align both stats on the same locale, which is rarely done right.
>>83852071>That makes China sound worse than it is because it doesnt account for public good like mass transit, that China does much better than the US. Still, the difference is huge.Actually the real difference is that China has a pretty complicated urban development system. Tier 1 cities like Shanghai and "autonomous economic zones" will have a pretty much first world standard of living and cost of living, while tier 2 cities and towns all the way down to villages will have a lower cost of living and lower standard of living. People also aren't allowed to just "move" to the big city, to prevent mass exodus from crucial areas of the country, you need a permit. Because of this, the average Chinese person can survive on like $3-4k USD a year in a middle-tier city and still travel to the richer areas for tourism etc, while the more expensive huge cities with mass transit will cost you the same as NYC or Seattle. China's plan is, through a period of decades, moving more people to the more developed parts of the country as it builds more "Tier 1 cities" that can provide jobs for these people. The average Chinese person doesn't live in Shanghai, but they still do have a comfortable life.
>>83852109>>83852117Yeah China is not a bad place to live necessarily but the people insisting it has a higher standard of living than the US are objectively wrong.
>>83852092>But it is core to how capitalism functionsNo, regulations are basically the opposite to how capitalism functions.Corporations push regulations that favor them, and then competition is killed off. Which is what I just said.>regulations would genuinely reduce the amount of jobs created and gdp implied by amazon's operationsLMAO fuck no they wouldn't, because in all likelihood Amazon has the capital to fund the NGOs needed to push their own regulation to create a monopoly.>That is to say, there is government incentives to fail their mission because it is more beneficial to the elected official (as opposed to the people) to do so.No, their incentive to succeed is the same as it is with Education, healthcare, and pharmaceuticals, which is to stack the deck in their favor. Regulations will ALWAYS get passed, but the regulations that are actually ""needed"" won't ever be implemented in any practical way.
>>83851875So you can't define fascism. Just like I thought.
>>83852147In what way is competition some inherent characteristic of capitalism? The whole point of capitalism is that owners rent out their resources to the working population and make passive income from their labor. The passive income compounds exponentially while the wage laborer stays making a flat rate. Eventually the capitalists' wealth consumes all.
>>83852204In theory capitalism is based on competition the problem is the concentration of wealth and monopolies but that can be solved through regulation. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
>>83852204Marxist babble.Take cock out of your mouth and speak like a human being.
>>83852204Anon you're replying to retards who think "Capitalism" is just "When money exists and people own things" I don't think you're gonna make much progress here.Your point is completely true though, and pretty much obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of economics.
>>83852142>China is not a bad place to live>pollution>buildings that randomly collapse for no reason>social credit surveillence state (tho Palantir is steadily bringing the US to the same level).>child labor>human rights issues>work from 9am to 9pmBoth the US and China suck. I would not want to live in any of these "superpowers".
>>83852223I think monopolies and concentration of wealth are an inherent failure mode of capitalism that has to be guarded against constantly. That doesnt mean Bolshevik revolution is the answer.
>>83852228Theyre both objectively okay places to live compared to the global average. You just dont realize how much worse things could be.
>>83852230If Capitalism, uncontested, inevitably results in the mass accumulation of wealth and resources into the hands of a few, and must be "constantly guarded against" through regulation and state intervention, then why not try something else? Maybe something where the state takes a hands on approach?
>>83852234Sure I'm not saying they're as bad as Pakistan, India, Phillipines, Indonesia or other shitholes. But compared to even eastern EU countries like Czechia, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, they suck. Even those countries in eastern EU offer social facilities that the US doesn't. And they lack the toxic work culture and surveillence of China. And they don't have a senile retard president or a forever dictator (except maybe Hungary with Orban).
>>83852223>When money exists and people own things"Well people can't own things under communism.
>>83852246Marxist babble take cock out if your mouth
>>83852246Im open to suggestions in general but >hey lets replicate a genocidal 20th century ideology that failed every time aint it.
>>83852261Genocidal? Who did Communists genocide? Do you know what that word means?Anyway, if we're playing this game there's like a billion versions of Communism that differentiate themselves from the USSR or PRC or whoever you think did the bad things you read in your CIA-approved textbook. Ho Chi Minh and Nelson Mandela never genocided anyone.
>>83851938>Namely, when parents grow old, they are expected to move in with the childrenNot surprised westoid boomers hate their kids when their kids clearly hate them. Only is the west is multiple generations in one home some evil thing.
>>83852285>Who did Communists genocidePeasants in USSR
>>83852285>There are slightly less genocidal versions of communismI agree but theyre still failed totalitarian systems that people ran away from. Wouldnt you want the future to be better than the past? Rather than simply blindly repeating the worst mistakes of the past?
>>83852289Its not about hate its the reality that people in the US can largely afford to have one household per generation, and people in China often cannot.
>>83852309> people in the US can largely afford to have one household per generationAt what cost? And what kind of housing? Americans live in wooden junk homes that I'd honestly be afraid to live in, especially with tornadoes and severe storms. And they pay them for like 30yrs. 59% of americans can't cover a $1000 emergency expense. 40% don't even have $400. Measuring wealth by how many homes the population "owns" is retared. Most of those homes are bought with fake money and are essentially owned by banks until the debt is paid. The whole country has trillions of debt, lol.
>>83852303So why don't we just do Communism but call it something else, like "Communityism" or "Workerism" and apply all the things we learned from the times it failed so we can make a better system?We don't have to abandon the idea of Dictatorship of the Proletariat just because it can be subverted by bad actors. Just like humans did monarchy for thousands of years even though nations failed and collapsed constantly. Shit happens. Political systems are constantly evolving. Capitalism is failing NOW, in the present, so it's time to try something else.
>>83852261>capitalism never resulted in genocidekek
>>83852366>We don't have to abandon the idea of Dictatorship of the ProletariatWhat is even le Dictatorship of the Proletariat? State officials running state capitalism under fake slogans? Neither Stalin not Lenin didn't work a single day in their life as workers. Professional revolutionary and bank robber.
>>83852309>can largely afford to have one household per generationThey clearly cannot considering the state of housing in the US right now
>>83852378Communism turns simple act of buying food on the market into genocide. Inevitable consequences of market pricing rejection.
>>83852204>The passive income compounds exponentiallyShow me the machines with no maintenance or replacement cost. How many of the gilded age industrialists have descendants with any notable level of wealth? This is the problem with trying to convince Marxists of anything, their whole ideology is an argument against a fantasy world that never existed.
>>83852415>How many of the gilded age industrialists have descendants with any notable level of wealth?Rothschilds.
>>83852212>In theory capitalism is based on competitionwhat theory? capitalism is private ownership of everything. private ownership is then used to extract rent from workers who need to work to live. there's nothing in theory that makes competition and inherent part of capitalism.
>>83852428>The Rothschild family is a wealthy Ashkenazi Jewish noble banking family originally from Frankfurt, Germany.
>>83852147>No, regulations are basically the opposite to how capitalism functions.That's what I'm saying. Capitalism doesn't work because only regulations can make capitalism behave sensibly.>LMAO fuck no they wouldn't, because in all likelihood Amazon has the capital to fund the NGOs needed to push their own regulation to create a monopoly.That's not a regulation, moron, that's being able to pay off people to not be regulated. Get a brain. Stopped reading here.
>>83852430Marxist babble take cock out of your mouth will ya?
>>83852216you have no coherent world view and you can be discarded as a piece of shit
>>83852439>capitalists spend their entire lives getting fucked by the guy above themIs this why you are obsessed with a cock in someone's mouth?
>>83852439Marx was correct about everything
>>83852346Yeah it is not a perfect system by any means although I would caution you as someone who lives in a wooden home that there is absolutely nothing wrong with building out of wood.>>83852366I would prefer something like sustainable capitalism without any dictatorship of any kind.
>>83852471He clearly wasnt given the historical trajectory of communist societies.
>>83852471You got it backwards Marx was literally wrong about everything.
>>83852497He had some interesting theories about history and economics but he clearly fundamentally failed to understand human nature.
>>83849370Because they're severely mentally ill. Notice how almost every one is a faggot too? Just look at that profile picture.
>>83849370Women always gravitate towards group consensus. Social media is a powerful instrument, capable of molding any belief into reality. Ideologies like communism can only exist in the minds of those who agree that collective reasoning is better than individual reasoning. The men who gravitate towards communism are feminine, gay (or at least above a 4 on the Kinsey scale), and typically resort to the same outsourcing of opinions. There are, of course, men who do the same for right-wing beliefs, but you'll be able to differentiate outsourced opinions from artificially imposed group consensus through their speech. Individuals with their own opinions will say "I believe", while group consensus will talk about actions "we" need to take, "we need to"/"... Needs to be done"They firmly believe that group consensus becomes a need, a justification for any force, and that individual beliefs aside from those consensuses are lesser and undeserving of thought.
>>83852510>He had some interesting theories about historyComplete failure as historican.>European Medieval city>citizens are free artisans who own means of production and sell high specialized goods on free market for money >it's le feudalism!Ridiculous historical illiteracy
>>83852532Reading this thread, there are people saying "must" instead of "need", but the point remains. They speak as though there is no debate, no alternative solutions or nuance. The group has already agreed via TikTok or the MSM
>>83852494The most powerful and prosperous country today is Marxist-Leninist
>>83852510All of that is just pointless gibber
>>83852566The US is not Marxist-Leninist
>>83852574The US is a stagnant declining shithole ruled by epstein clients with no manufacturing and crumbling infrastructure
>>83849877Where did you learn that from?
>>83852585From Marxist babble
>>83852581But it is still the most powerful and prosperous country on earth.
>>83852599They could not defeat defenseless 3rd world countries in a war, and the dollar is crashing as the multipolar world emerges
>>83852603Lets see how your favorite snowflake country wins this war.
>>83852603I dont disagree that the US is declining, but they are still by far the global superpower.
>>83851550True. Unfortunately, it's hard to realize such things when you invest your beliefs into them.
>>83852620In what way? They don't make anything anymore, and the dollar hegemony is collapsing after they've forced everyone else to develop alternatives and end reliance on the US.
>>83849370Normies have no money, no land, and no hope that things are ever going to get better.Objectively, what do they have to lose?It's a shame on our society that we have to relearn this lesson.
>>83852634Economy, technology, military power, standard of living.
>>83852699All wrong, China is leading the tech industry (e.g. BYD has surpassed tesla) and is the #1 manufacturer in the world. The US fake economy is just fast food and gambling and financial scams.
>>83852670>Objectively, what do they have to lose?Communists will always find ways to make their life much much worse.
>>83852727Standard of living has increased every time Communists took power anywhere
>>83849394I wonder how many people are temporarily embarrassed government bureaucrats, who think if billionaires pay more in taxes they receive the money. They think the money is guaranteed to help people instead of being a source of corruption
>>83852438>That's not a regulation, moron, that's being able to pay off people to not be regulated.You're right, I forgot, Disney DIDN'T push modern copyright and patent laws to protect their IPs indefinitely, silly me.And I also forgot that pharmaceutical lobbyists WEREN'T the one who pushed to illegalize buying pharmaceuticals outside the US to keep their prices high, my bad lolOh and I also forgot that people WILLINGLY gave up fraternal benefits societies, the state totally didn't capitulate with medical institutions to stop them from operating effectively.You're GENUINELY retarded if you think regulations are passed with good intentions a huge portion of the time when the reality is that corporations lobby for regulation that will put down their competitors and keep themselves in power. That's not "paying people off to not be regulated", that is regulation as intended, because the intent was always to crush competition.
>>83852727>Communists will always find ways to make their life much much worse.make their life much much worse, you say?As opposed to what?The normie has not experienced an increase to his quality of life for 30 years.The Adolescent has literally never seen society improving in their entire life.
>>83852428So you don't know the difference between 18th century state-backed bankers and 19th century industrialists.
>>83852746>Standard of living has increased every time Communists took power anywhereLmao do commies actually buy this bullshit?
>>83851784I think both are and you're just caping for browns because you're the most mindraped kikeslave
>>83851075socialists believe that only labour creates value (lol)
>>83849370Go to /pol/ with your faggot politics. I am so fucking sick of you politics brained faggots making everything about your gay personal causes.We aren't your personal army
