Men love women, even when we don't want to and deeply crave their approval. We make devices to ease their burdens, give them preferential treatment wherever we can and rush to their aid with even the most miniscule task expecting nothing more than a simple "thank you" in return. So why do women hate us so? Like laughing when a young baby boy screams in pain as he is castrated as some kind of "justice" or humiliating the naive simps' love letter in front of her girl friend group or divorce raping a good husband knowing full well it will destroy him...i don't get it.And answers like "you moids rape & kill & oppress us" don't even make sense when you factor in they masturbate about that shit happening to them anyway. Genuinely why are they like this?
>>83851985Men do far worse to women on average
>>83851985Because women are evil and demonic
>>83851985Men hate women, tooHatred is the natural disposition of man it's just how it is sorry
>>83851985>Why Do Women Hate Men?primordial biological warfare, the male of mammal species were rejected before sapience even developed
Because women have an inferiority complex.
>>83851985Anon, what you need to understand is, all women are bad and women do not experience love. SHRIMPLE. AS. THAT.Women do not love. Women are ontologically bad people, at their most fundamental level. Once you accept this, everything they do makes perfect sense.
>>83852367Did you seriously use shrimple as that.
>>83851985In this manga, she loves the guy despite him being a complete fuck up, though. Her whole thing is saying, "Yeah you're a broke, retarded, worthless human being. But that's alright, I'll be the competent one of us two." I haven't caught up with the new chapters, but I remember one of the chapters implied she's like that because her last relationship ended really poorly. That's part of why, when she goes to a hot springs with the main character, she's like, "I don't think I'm ready to have sex yet," when it's obvious he was kinda expecting it. That took me out of it. I'm tired of used-up whore x virgin male stories. Let's be a bit more aspirational with our romance manga plots, guys. I don't want to face the reality that at best I would be someone's second pick when I'm reading fiction.
>>83851985Demoralization thread. Women actuall love men.
>>83851985Like 40 years of feminist propaganda has ruined some women. But good news there are still good ones out there, you just need to figure out where to look. And no they're no neets
>>83852476>Women actuall love men.Would be nice if that was true. That manga was definitely written by a man.
>>83852506Yeah. I wish it too. desu I don't even know what manga it is, never put effort into searching by author because I always had something in backlog, but I always liked this panel so I keep it saved. Too bad such girls are just fantasy.
Women resent men for the same reason men are anxious about talking to women: an inflated perception of the opposite sex.Many men think women are untouchable perfect beings, and are afraid to talk to them as such. They never get this illusion shattered because they never interact with women in a meaningful way.Women, on the other hand, have an idea of what a man SHOULD be, and no man in real life measures up to these impossible standards, so they resent men.
>>83852476how is this image any better. shes saying that she is only with him because hes worthless because of her own mental problems and not out of love
>>83851985>Men love womenLol, lmao even
>>83852406Yes I did faggot
>>83852553>Lol, lmao evenWhat's so funny?
>>83851985women will say "you hate x so therefore you must secretly be sexually repressed towards them" "oh, you hate fags? you must be secretly gay"but women who hate men who secretly like dick is apparently an out of this world concept
If women hate men so much why can't they stop talking about them all the time
>>83852608...is that the argument you want to make on this board?
>>83852534Because I don't believe in magical love. People studied brain chemistry related to love and found out that what gets people together is infatuation and lust. This chem lasts for around 2 years and if by that time you don't develop "comfort" chemistry towards other person, all the feelings disappear and the same lust chem is started being produced whenever you see someone simply attractive. Old couples when they see their partner produce the same chem your brain produces when it recognizes old, worn out, comfy chair you like to sit on.I experienced it myself when I fucked up attempt at relationship with my first "love", felt like shit for around 2 years and after that I started to become more and more indifferent to remembering her and seeing her pics when before I felt pain in chest.We're merely biological machines with free will being just simplification for algorythms too complex for our current science to solve with reliable formulas, so to me relationship has to work, not be magical. And that means it's a choice, not fate, and with proper maintenance you can develop and maintain that comfy brain chem by utilizing our natural mechanisms, just like we trick our brains with repetition to learn stuff we never use, because our brains automatically memorize shit they encounter more often under assumption that if it appears often then it most likely means it's important part of environment.So yes, while I'm not complete failure like guy in manga, I'm just average guy who gets by rather comfortably, holds a job etc, I'm still not perfect, nor some kind of model, I would be fine with such relationship because it gives sense of stability and you don't have to worry about cheating etc. In that sense I'm similar to girl in pic. I don't want adventure and emotional rollercoaster. I want someone reliable I could build family with, someone comfortable to be around and sex so home would be peaceful port to come back to after job, not another trial, job and hassle.
>>83852627Well yeahThe anons on this board don't really hate women either but that's obviousIf incels really hated women why would they want a gf so bad?Male incels are really a lot more honest than women who pretend to hate menOn both sides the "hatred" is just a coping mechanism because they're afraid to admit they need and love each otherIt's too bad humans can't just be honest with each other and live in peace and harmony forever
>>83852225That's because cells with an Y chromossome produce antigens cells with X chromossomes don't. So the immune system attacks them because they recognize the antigens as foreign. No sex warfare bullshit.
>>83852678>So the immune system attacks them because they recognize the antigens as foreign.now follow through the causal chain of that process on a million year timeline
>>83851985you do that because you are a simp hoping one of them will think you're a good guy and give you pussy. the rest of us are just going about our business worrying about ourselves
>>83852642love is just chemichals mortygod isnt real morty
>>83852780Correct. Your emotions are just fleeting chem. It's merely response to outside stimulation. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be able to change our behavior, mood and emotions with drugs.And yes, religions and gods aren't real, which doesn't mean they aren't useful, and I don't even mean it in cynical way, like bullshitting others to make them your followers and live in luxury at their expense. It's abstract tool to reinforce generally positive behavior patterns. Religion isn't source of morality, but outcome of natural morality that has its foundation in simple energy equation and balance of distribution of energy.And I'm fine with that.
>>83852476Kek..you should know by now that people on this board are miserable as fuck and will do ANYTHING to demoralize others
>>83852839Is you read it further, you'd realize I was joking. It was more of an excuse to post full pic I like more because it gives nice, hopefull feelings. In reality no one cares about men, not even men. It's just the way life is.
>>83852476If women love men why don't you have a loving girlfriend? KEK.
>>83852054ethnic men dowhite men literally emancipated these whoresyou are a faggot
>>83852724this is speculation but this could be due to feeling guilty about having your son circumcised. if you're american or something then you probably don't know but circumcision is a lot more brutal than you most likely realize especially when your son is returned to you clearly in shock but "he slept through the procedure". yeah right. nta btw.
>>83852839no, you are just a hopefully optimistic retard, probably young like most /r9k/fags speaking with authority on subjects they have no grasp of and haven't had your rude awakening yet. it is about crabs in a bucket to some extent but rooted in stone cold reality, women view men through a transactional lens and don't rate men as fairly as men rate them. it's just how it is. one day your balls will drop and you'll grow up and even if it takes 50 years your pattern recognition faculties will finally by some miracle of god kick in and you'll see the disparity in rhetoric and general, basic treatment between the sexes.
with the advent of social media (which women are ALL on and ALL addicted to) and the crystal clarity with which they post their shit, insipid opinions, it's insane that you still get woman defenders. all their inner demons have been laid bare and all the most uncharitable suspicions anyone ever had about them came to light. women really are like that, most of them are unbelievably shit people, even more deviant than dudes, totally materialistic, the list goes on. some sadboy lonely cunt /r9k/ fags still cling to hope that a suitably attractive, empathic, non judgemental woman will fall out of the sky and into their lap and disprove all the observable and demonstrable reality about women, that's not going to happen because it isn't real. women are constantly judging, constantly evaluating, constantly testing, unstable, ruthless, carnal, completely invested in the physical aspect of a relationship far moreso than any male. it's your lack of perspective and your beta faggot romantic mindset that stops you from seeing the truth. if you're male and not a woman hater in 2026 it's because you're completely fucking delusional about the true nature and reality of the female species.
>>83852939The study says nothing about circumcision, it's about measuring various hormones that are known for causing PPD.>this is speculationSo is my idea, the material that supplements it is not even a complete science yet, some relevant studies are from 2024 and even 2025, but if you read the entire thing here >>83852225 you can't deny that it has some merit.I think the mistake people make is that they get hung up on questions like OP, to which there's an infinite amount of answers, but if you follow through on the whys and keep reducing it to something that can actually be measured and start asking questions like "why does the female body itself seem to abhor maleness", you would get actual answers since those results would be much less open to interpretation.
>>83851985It's simple: it's due to biological differences, we have different reproductive strategies.Women are inherently ruthless resource extractors, they just don't love men, but how men with certain qualities make them look, by association. Men do love and want to provide and care for women. This is a trend seen in all places regardless of race and culture.It's grim. I'd like to have kids and a family, but maybe I'll just have to do artificial insemination. Mind you, I've already had LTRs and sex with plenty of women, it's just not worth it. They're incompatible with commitment and long term commitment
>>83853136I skimmed through the screencap a bit. the most obvious problem with the idea is that it conflates unconscious/animalistic/reactive behaviors with conscious/human/active behaviors. in other words, you're not taking free will into account. you can choose to not merely act based on your psychological predispositions, and human beings are conditioned from early childhood to regularly do just that. there could also be sociological, economic, or groupshift-related factors that aren't accounted for in your hypothesis as well. it's not an absurd idea overall, but it has some major issues that need to be addressed.
>>83852655>If incels really hated women why would they want a gf so bad?Same reason you can be a drug addict and hate the drug. Desiring sex and romance is actually a mental illness which we need to cure.
>>83852054fpbp, women would be thrilled if all men did was making jokes about hating women instead of everything they do.
>>83853377>you're not taking free will into accountThat's not a coincidence, I'm very skeptical about the extent of it.>you can choose to not merely act based on your psychological predispositionsWon't change the underlying feelings and urges. You simply can not learn to love something that you just don't like, you can play along and do your part but as far as feelings go, that's my take and my answer to OPs question.
>>83853463>I'm very skeptical about the extent of it.If there is no free will, then your thoughts on women are nothing more than instinct and reactive emotion; not scientific knowledge. Knowledge requires the freedom to recognize and choose those concepts which align to reality by definition. Without free will, science and philosophy are dead.
>>83853541> then your thoughts on women are nothing more than instinctThat's not exactly detrimental to my case since the founder of modern cognitive neuroscience simply calls consciousness an instinct, an emergent product of interacting brain modules, all of which can operate on their own and deliver different consciousness states as they're degraded, separated or removed.All the processes required to come to a conclusion are finished about 50 milliseconds before you're even aware of what it's going to be.I don't see how any of that invalidates my argument and how it implies that without free will the brain is not able to define what's real and what isn't, it has more than enough processing power to do that.
>>83853637>Gazzaniga says consciousness is merely an instinct.Not quite. According to him, the process of consciousness emerging is instinctive (at least in humans). This only makes sense, because otherwise consciousness would emerge from a conscious process---circular reasoning. This does not mean that your consciousness *itself* is an instinct, nor the actions you take consciously.>Thoughts and behaviors arise prior to your being aware of them.Indeed. I never said consciousness was causally unbound---but this only proves determinism, not disproves the existence of free will. Determinism is not incompatible with free will. Gazzaniga's work suggests that free will operates like a veto-system, wherein the conscious mind allows or disallows which behaviors are taken as conscious actions.>I don't see how any of that invalidates my argument.Arguing against the existence of free will is self-defeating, since it contradicts the norm of argumentation that one tries to correct the consciously held beliefs of the interlocutor insofar as they do not correspond with reality. Without such a norm, argumentation does not exist as a meaningful concept, and renders any conversation which pretends to argumentative status as nothing more than emotive expression. You are, in effect, simultaneously claiming that I am in error and not in error---a contradiction.
>>83852054No, not on average.
>>83852406I'm gonna use it now, it's adorbs
>>83853986You went through the book already? That's very impressive.
>>83851985>Why Do Women Hate Men?Penis envy and resentment for being the weaker sex + being spoiled from a young age and SIMPed for, manufacturing an arrogant personality + years of being pumped and dumped by CHAD, increasing the resentment.Basically.
>>83854049No, but I'm familiar enough with it on account of having debated with other people on free will who also cited the book.
>>83851985>>83852476Quite a contrast, thanks for the full comic. Sadly I have to disagree. Women do not love men. I question if women are capable of love honestly.The trend you are seeing now with women shitting on men is just women following herd mentality. Women has fallen for a long and successful campaign of propaganda. They naturally do not accept accountability. Now they are more terminally online than 90s computer geeks ever were, fed an unrealistic view of reality, unable to take jokes, offended by everything, unpleasant to be around, and weaponized as a social risk against to everyone.I wish it wasn't this way, but it genuinely is. They have no hobbies, can't hold a conversation, and are more entitled than ever. And no, it wasn't like this not too long ago. 2020 kicked everything into hyperdrive.>women love menThere are a handful of girls bucking back, but they're doing it for attention online.You will not see women stick up for men. They all fall right into the same shaming and expectations of men. They avoid accountability too. They get divorced too. The Elijah Schaffer drama showed that you can't trust these hoes, cause they will lie and play pretend for attention.What is changing is men are starting to not care about women, listen to them, help them, or even want to be around them.And the women refuse to acknowledge that they might be at fault cause accountability hurts too much.
>>83854168Fair enough. In any case, the bottom line is, you may have some degree control over your actions, I'm willing to keep that contested, but you most definitely do not have any control over your feelings. That's just not even up for debate.
>>83852194Actually all of feminism has always had men sympathetic to them and their cause. >>83852327>>83854052No, not quite. You aren't getting to the root of things.>Men use language to objectively describe things, women use language to manipulate perception>Men must succeed based of achievement and reach their moral compass based on life experience. Women need group consensus and approvalThere is an evolutionary reason for this. If a woman is shunned from a group it frequently meant that she would not survive on her own.So women focus on themselves, how people perceive them, and approval of the group first because it makes them feel like their very survival is over if they don't have the approval of a group.The side effect of this is they are self centered and molded by propaganda. They will sell out their children for the approval of a stranger cause in their brain their children have to stay with them so it doesn't matter how much they hurt or betray their kids.... then they act like victims when their kids cut contact.And you when you realize this ugly truth, you realize Gynocentric society is engineered to sacrifice everyone for the whims and feelings of women, not the good of children or health of society.Why?Because pandering to women gets easy votes and women are easy to manipulate.Yeah, a simple thing caused such a massive evolution of women that caused them to be born nation wreckers and traitors.It use to be manageable with men having control over womens behavior and women forced into accountability, but current incentive structures have caused society to sacrifice everything for women.I think the pendulum will swing back, but it will be very slow and only once women have more accountability and responsibilities in society
>>83854202If women genuinely do have an instinctive aversion to men, then it's true that they couldn't choose to stop having it. However, they could choose not to act on it. People have a strong instinct to avoid death, and yet some people commit suicide. Civilization tends to condition people towards a tendency to get along (generally speaking), and the recent rise of gender-based collectivism (such as feminism) is most likely a product of Western democracy (for the arguments on that, see Hoppe's *Democracy: The God that Failed*).
In the age of women blaming men for everything and state enforcement of their hurt feelings I have taken a policy on women that sounds harsh but logically tracks 100%>If she isn't your Friend, family of GF do not assist her or help in any way.It sounds harsh, but the key there is FRIEND. Don't take much to be a guy's friend, but if you are too treating men like trash, don't expect us to care or help when it comes to literally anything.#YourPussyYourProblem
>>83854476I feel like you've picked up on only very specific parts of my idea just for the sake of poking holes into it and didn't actually understand what I'm actually trying to communicate. I get that it's a bit convoluted and out there and comes from multiple threads but it's still coherent enough to process.>and the recent rise of gender-based collectivism I mean I have specifically went into how the same behaviors can be observed in nearly all mammals, where male dispersal and female philopatry are the standard ways of life. In my opinion, there's no "recent rise", feminism was always going to happen, primitive forms of it did emerge before and all they really needed this time was the means to communicate with one another to form this current anti-male superorganism.There was this article I had saved but I lost it, they had these fliers in the early 1900s warning people that women talking to each other on the phone will be the end of civilized life. We'll see.
>>83854476>>83854662Also, on the question of free will and choice. Not once through this exchange have you entertained the idea that they chose to do as they did because it just felt right. Choice was something you exclusively used to imply that they could do better, but not the other way around.
>>83854662>>83854716>The same behaviors can be observed in nearly all mammals.Sure, but humans are peculiar in that they have the particular faculties of reason and free will. I brought up free will earlier specifically because it makes applying mammalian ethology to humans erroneous outside of perhaps strictly psychological contexts. Such ideas shouldn't be more than a footnote in discussions of sociology, ethics, political philosophy, etc.>Women are a superorganism.I understand this could be hyperbole or another figure of speech, but this is simply fundamentally untrue of humans if taken at face-value. Only individuals can take action, and groups can't be literally said to act without committing the fallacy of misplaced concreteness.>Not once through this exchange have you entertained the idea that they chose to do as they did because it just felt right.Right, and that's because framing it as biologically innate behavior neuters any plausible way to critique it on ethical grounds. We don't criticize the man whose heart has stopped beating, simply because it was not a voluntary choice he made. If you would take feminism (for example) as a voluntarily held, erroneous belief, I would quite happily agree. I oppose all forms of collectivism.
>>83855081Well, we just irreconcilably disagree on some things. Good talk anyway, I gotta go.
>>83855165>>83855081As a final word>biologically innate behavior neuters any plausible way to critique it on ethical groundsThat was never my intent, this is an observation, not a lawsuit and I don't believe it has a feasible solution, least of all in the form of criticism.>If you would take feminism (for example) as a voluntarily held, erroneous beliefI can't do that because I don't think it's the case. I already explained what I think feminism is, a set of memes spawned by women freely expressing themselves. It's the language of female nature.
>>83852194men who hate women, is because of how women treated that man personally. Or he saw how they truly are. Women hate men, because they are evil and were born to hate them. No personal experience made them hate men.
>>83855165>>83855269Sorry, I also had to go. I enjoyed our debate, Anon. Till our paths next cross.
