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You really don't hate women enough.
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>>83852446
i'm not a christfag and i don't believe embryos a few weeks old have any sentience but jfc how can you hate the life that is growing inside of you so much?
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>>83852446
I don't see the issue. They're doing the right thing. Life is a curse.
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>>83852446
Women are truly demonic creatures. If you ever have the pleasure of putting your hands on one, remember, they relish in abusing and killing their children, and do not hold back.
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>>83852446
>You really don't hate women enough
At least you rent going to reproduce
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>>83852446
>If you ever have the pleasure of putting your hands on one, remember, they relish in abusing and killing their children, and do not hold back.
They would just goon to it later though.
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>>83852446
>baby's first bump
kek
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im not engaging with this retarded post when you dont care about animals being tortured in slaughter houses. stop being performative and selective
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>>83852473
>factory farming of animals
I admit I deserve to suffer for supporting a blatantly satanic and evil practice. Your turn.
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>>83852475
>or abort it and we can all be a family in hell
holy shit this is evil
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>>83852446
>nooo, think about le heckin wholesome fetuserinos feelings!!!
who the fuck cares, moralfag about something that matters
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>>83852491
Foid here. Male feminists like you are so hot. What's your disc?
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>>83852498
im a woman you retard
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>>83852511
Even better. Fuck moids amirite!
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>>83852511
>>83852515
imagine fucking 2 feminist femcels. ZOO WEE MAMA!
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>>83852491
ur mom should have drunk straigh leaded gasoline w u in the womb
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>>83852568
>ur mom should have drunk straigh leaded gasoline w u in the womb
This. So much this.
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>>83852568
id be like haha look at retard anons stupid leaded retard life loll ur mom drunk gasoline and everyone thinks ur a fucking retard cause u are hahahaha fucking retard idiot ur mom drunk leaded gas LOLLL
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>>83852568
imagine virtue signaling for parasites who are going to die soon
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>>83852593
whores are parasites and maybe if they got leaded in the womb they would shoe some respect for innocent lives
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How the hell could I hate women? They're soft, warm, simple creatures that you can make happy just by making them giggle or injecting your penis into them. Obviously this doesn't make them good in positions of authority, but if you don't live in a city you're not going to meet many radfems anyway, and they're rather easy to subdue.
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>>83852458
You're just as deranged as she is, and it's incredible that you can't see how you're basically repeating her mistake. You clearly view the fetus as a living thing, yet you simultaneously feel nothing for murdering it because you wouldn't apply the word "sentience" to it.
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Maybe the Muslims were onto something.
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>>83852446
>Hating women
First of all, not all women are this bad. Secondly, hate the sin, not the sinner.
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>>83852458
>I'm not a christfag but I agree with them on this fundamental issue but I can't admit that I do because that would make me a christfag
Someday you might grow up
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>>83852465
I will repeat myself. I will rape many women before I die. They can either keep my baby or abort it and we can all be a family in hell. Either way works for me.
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>>83852446
No, you see, it is much better to have a child that is not wanted and will spend the next 18 years in the dysfunctional foster system and probably get abused or raped and grow up a broken human being wishing for death.
Or be born to a single mother who will not be able to support it and both will spend the rest of their lives probably homeless.
Or to have a child that will be born with a genetic defect making it a burden on the family and the system until it dies at grand old age of 24.
You christfags are fucking annoying. No one goes to have an abortion just because. It is not an enjoyable experience physically or emotionally. Besides, isn't the whole point of religion about forgiveness, loving thy neighbor, and being kind to others. At least that was what I was taught in Sunday school.
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>>83852948
>We should non-chalantly murder unborn babies because they might have a sub-optimal life.
This line of thinking is the problem. You're devaluing human life, which is evil. You can make the case thst abortion is justified in extreme cases (like rape or when the baby will have a known and debilitating birth defect), but it is still tragic and horrifying. Every pro-choice faggot should be required to watch an actual video of an abortion before publicly commenting. It's horrific and disturbing, and it should be a harrowing experience for the woman because her literal flesh-and-blood that is inside of her own body is being ripped away from her. If you feel nothing at the thought of such a procedure, your conscience is callused.
>You christfags are fucking annoying.
Cope. Just because you have a personal vendetta against a group of people doesn't mean they are wrong about every single issue.

Also, nowhere in your comment did I see any mention of the woman's responsibility in her own pregnancy. Did she trip and accidentally fall onto an erect penis? No, she chose to have sex, and naturally speaking, thst is equivalent to choosing to become pregnant. She could have remained abstinent until she met the right man and had enough respurces to provide for the child, but she was reckless and selfish and in your mind, she is now allowed to kill her own baby.
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>>83852948
>Besides, isn't the whole point of religion about forgiveness
That doesn't mean that nothing you do matters and that we cannot ever judge someone for sinning. Yes, if a woman has an abortion and she repents and asks God for forgiveness, she will be forgiven in a spiritual sense. The physical and emotional consequences of that act will still linger with her. You're trying to espouse the false doctrine that you can just go around committing any number of sins and then just magically be forgiven and absolved of responsibility by your fellow man. It doesn't work that way and it never has. No, you cannot just go around and rape and murder willy-nilly and then be automatically forgiven because Jesus. That is a satanic inversion of Christian doctrine.
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>>83853051
>No, she chose to have sex, and naturally speaking, thst is equivalent to choosing to become pregnant.
my guy we live in the 21th century where birth control and condoms exist. I am not saying it is not her responsibility as well, but it doesn't mean it should be any less legal. As I said no one really does it non-chalantly or willy-nilly. It is absolutely a traumatic experience for 98% of people who do it.
Not to mention that banning abortion literally does nothing but just increase number of death most of the time. Those who want to have one will have it on the black market.
The real solution here is just sex-ed and educating people and overall making better conditions so people want to have more children. Not banning it and calling it a day.
>nothing you do matters and that we cannot ever judge someone for sinning.
I am not saying you shouldn't judge someone. But spreading this pure hate and vitriol towards people is certainly not just 'judging someone'.
>No, you cannot just go around and rape and murder willy-nilly and then be automatically forgiven because Jesus.
didn't the guy that was with Jesus on the cross literally do that lmao. And I am not arguing to go rape people around, but I see too many 'religious' people who just it as an excuse to hate on people.
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>>83852465
OP BTFO! o algo
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>>83852473
abortion and factory farming are both objectively evil you stupid fucking nigger
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>>83852618
when the fuck did i say that lol, i feel indignant towards the brutal torturous murder of factory farmed animals too and they are not sentient, just as i feel bad when a fetus gets aborted because it is a budding life
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>>83853514
first off, there is not such thing as 'objective' evil.
secondly, neither are really evil. sure it's not sunshine and daisies, but abortion is the lesser evil in many cases and factory farming is just a fact of life which I don't see why people get so uppity about. evolution made us smart and we have the whole Earth to rule. if cows were smart, they'd be doing the same to us.
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>>83852483
"erm, this is le heccin evil?!?!?!"
fuck off, this isnt even the worst thing ive read on this site today and its only 1pm
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Femoids kill their own children so they can keep riding the cock carousel then they come here and say men are obsessed with sex lmao
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>>83853545
Male chicks get thrown in grinders because theyre not profitable it is not hard to stop eating eggs. Just because some might do it to us doesnt mean we have no choice but to torture and murder them
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Children are extension of yourself, and they hate themselves.
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>>83853743
sorry, we evolved to need both meat and egg proteins and eating plants only is retarded. And this is the most efficient way to do things, therefore the best one.
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>>83852446
I am already at peak foid hatred. TOTAL FOID DEATH.
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>>83852473
Shut the fuck up you dumb whore go make your own thread.
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>>83853460
>my guy we live in the 21th century where birth control and condoms exist.
>naturally speaking
Yeah, dumbass. Birth control and condoms are not natural. Women used to not sleep around because there were real consequences to that (pregnancy), but now they ruin themselves because they think they can cheat consequences with modern technology. They end up mentally fucked up and miserable but yay at least they aren't getting pregnant!
>The real solution here is just sex-ed and educating people and overall making better conditions so people want to have more children. Not banning it and calling it a day.
Actually, the real solution is a return to traditional, natural incentive structures, which means banning condoms and hormonal birth control as well.
>But spreading this pure hate and vitriol towards people is certainly not just 'judging someone'.
You're conflating hatred with judgement. Nowhere did I recommend nor condone hatred of women who commit abortions. But they are sinning and they do deserve judgement. It's possible to disapprove of and reproach behavior without hating the person doing it.
>And I am not arguing to go rape people around, but I see too many 'religious' people who just it as an excuse to hate on people.
You are arguing that we have to "forgive" women who abort their children and by that you mean that we cannot judge them. Those are literally your words.
>Besides, isn't the whole point of religion about forgiveness, loving thy neighbor, and being kind to others. At least that was what I was taught in Sunday school.
This is false doctrine, and it's used by people like you to excuse any manner of evil. You can apply the same logic to mass murder and rape.
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>>83854004
I'm pro-meat but let's not pretend factory farming is a good thing. You can buy your meat and eggs from local farmers who don't abuse their animals - that's what I do.
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>>83854090
Meh I just don't care. I am not actively pro-factory farming, but at the end of the day, I don't care that much. I try to buy local since it's healthier and whatnot, but I can do that because I am doing okay-ish financially. Factory farming is kinda necessary if we want to provide most of the world with meat and other animal products.
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>>83854004
Not really. The consumption of meat at modern rates is a new phenomenon. Take this graph for example. Meat used to be a luxury only for the rich. Working people were able to function just fine with less meat and dairy. You can get protein from beans/legumes, tofu, and if you especially need a lot of protein, seitan. We also have the technology for b12 supplements. I'd argue it's not efficient either. An ungodly amount of our resources go towards feeding and slaughtering livestock. We could use those resources to go directly to us and it'd have less impact on the environment as well. There's no real argument in favor of meat/dairy.
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>>83854178
>consumption of meat at modern rates is a new phenomenon
Its not
>meat used to be a luxury dish
It does not, the population just increased and people waste more
>you can survive on a purely plant diet
You cannot thats why you need tons of chems and supplements like b12
>ungodly amount of our resources go towards feeding and slaughtering livestock.
Less than the one spend harvesting s o y for your vegan shit, palm oil and the rare tropical plants which destroy entire ecosystems
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>>83852446

Antinatalism is moral in and of itself, and by extension, abortion, because it literally prevents a lifetime of suffering. The aspect that is to be condemned here is that a whore is using the process to escape the consequences of poor sexual choices.
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>>83852458
Im not hypocritical enough to deny embryos are humans to claim some fake moral high ground, but some people just shouldnt reproduce, like the ones in the pic related, wanting to force them to have children is wanting harm to society and have more people like them walking around long term.
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>>83854100
Factory farming practices also make the meat less healthy. All the hormones and vaccines they inject the animals with poison the meat, and if they are living in unhealthy conditions (lack of sunlight/exercise, lots of stress, unnatural feed), then their meat is going to be less healthy for you to consume. Also, standard eggs are incredibly high in omega-6 fatty acids due to the high corn and onions feed they give the chickens, and that causes inflammation in your body. Factory farmed meat also has fewer nutrients than regeneratively raised pastured meat. Even from a purely selfish perspective as a consumer, factory farming is a disaster.
>Factory farming is kinda necessary if we want to provide most of the world with meat and other animal products.
I don't believe that's true. We haven't even tried the alternative so I withhold judgement. If that were proven to be true, we could have a conversation about including some factory farming to make sure everyone has what they need, or possibly limiting the human population such that that wouldn't be necessary, but a transition to healthier and more humane farming methods hasn't even been attempted; it's all speculative.
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>>83854178
>The consumption of meat at modern rates is a new phenomenon.
The underclass has always eaten grains and legumes while the rich feasted on meat at their pleasure. So technically you are right but not for the reason you think you are. We need meat and eggs for optimal health.
>Meat used to be a luxury only for the rich.
Wait, so you admit it but you're still arguing for everyone to starve themselves?
>You can get protein from beans/legumes
Not enough. There is a reason long-term vegans are frail and sickly looking: they simply don't have enoigh building blocks to maintain a healthy amount of muscle.
>We also have the technology for b12 supplements.
Plenty of people cannot absorb the supplements and will develop a deficiency regardless.
>There's no real argument in favor of meat/dairy.
Other than the dozen+ nutrients you cannot get in sufficient amounts (if at all) from a vegan diet. Picrelated.
>We could use those resources to go directly to us and it'd have less impact on the environment as well.
Animals that are raised regeneratively are carbon negative. The idea that farm animals are destroying the environment is absurd - how could they have evolved for millions of years if they weren't in balance with nature? And let me guess: you think that mass monocrop agriculture isn't as destructive to the environment?
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>>83854925
whoever gets an abortion as birth control should at minimum be forced to get a hysterectomy
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>>83852446
Advocating for abortion is like the best thing women do
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It can't experience consciousness, what is the crying about?
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>>83855363
>arguing for everyone to starve themselves
Murdering/raping animals and starvation aren't the only two options anon. Some vegans eat shit food like how omnis eat shit food (ex. average american diet). That doesn't mean you can't be a vegan and healthy. Which speaking of
>not enough protein
Using pinto beans as an example because I like them: a cup of it cooked is 15g protein and 245 calories. The tofu I buy has 1 gram of protein per 10 calories. Most people aren't bodybuilders so they don't need a shit ton but for those who are bodybuilders seitan has like 18g protein per 100 calories.
>cannot absorb the supplements and will develop a deficiency regardless
If you can't absorb it from supplements you won't be able to absorb it from animal products either. Not sure what your point is. It is true that the body struggles to absorb b12 in general, which is why supplements tend to have ridiculous amounts so the body will still absorb a percentage of it.
>picrel
Vitamin A: sweet potato, kale, mango. Vitamin B6: chickpeas, potatoes, bananas. Vitamin B12: supplements (funnily enough it comes from soil bacteria and stomachs just struggle to process it, which is why livestock is injected with it) and fortified foods. Vitamin D: the sun and mushrooms. Vitamin F: nuts, seeds, oils. S o y. K2: collard greens, spinach, kale. I'm willing to go on but you get the point.
>environment
We could do crop rotation or something you know
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I don't hate women at all, at their worse they're still much better human beings than men in aggregate, and I sure as fuck wouldn't let reddit screenshots influence my opinion of them anyway.
You should really kill yourself for reposting screenshots of stupid reddit ragebait. You're worse than a bot if you're not a bot.
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>>83853514
>abortion and factory farming are both objectively evil you stupid fucking nigger
very based. just chiming in to say you are right, and every single cocksucker in this thread who disagrees with you is wrong and deserves to burn in hell

animal abusers deserve to burn in hell. meat is murder and morally wrong
abortion is baby murder done by roastie whores who also deserve to burn in hell

>>83853545
>first off, there is not such thing as 'objective' evil.
yes there is, you mouthbreather
in the same way that theres objective math truths, and objective epistemic truths, there objective moral truths

>secondly, neither are really evil
>and factory farming is just a fact of life
just because it is so doesnt entail it ought be so. this is an is-ougth fallacy. you fucking braindead retard. facotry farming is perhaps some of the most cruel and evil moral atrocities that humans have plagued this tragic planet with, and i hope you reincarnate as a pig a million times over to see how great it is

>>83852473
based. this is exactly why i by and large dont seriously engate in ANY political issues, be it imigration, crime rates of this and that person, whatever other issue. everyone is just virtue signalling for power, but they dont really care about morals
fuck humans categorically. they are shameless hypocrites who abuse power and deserve to burn in hell, philosophical misanthropy is justified and humans are trash
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>>83855982
Who is harmed during a consensual abortion when the fetus can't experience consciousness and never has been able to?
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>>83855999
>when the fetus can't experience consciousness and never has been able to?
this is stunningly arrogant to say. it is unreal epistemic arrogance. we have NO FUCKING IDEA who is conscious or not
for all you know everyone besides you is not conscious; consciousness is a inherently private non-physical phenomena; we cant measure it or know who is or isnt sentient

from my understanding is widely considered that last the first trimester fetuses ARE sentient, and the thing is, even very small fetuses MIGHT be sentient

we simply dont know. we do know that very early fetuses even a couple of weeks are alive and have nerve ganglia. the nervous system is considered to start to grow in the third week of the fetus's life, but it could very well start earlier

we simply dont know if the fetus is sentient and when it is

so for this reason ALONE we ought be conscious and treat it like it is sentient, because there a reasonable chance that its conscious

females who got abortions are baby murders and nasty whores who's vagina is a graveyard for the haunted souls of their fetus babies
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>>83856049
How is there a reasonable chance that the fetus is sentient if you don't think there's any reason to believe anything but you is sentient? I don't believe you can be certain anything but you is sentient but there are still reasons give all neuroscientific study. Also, why should I care when non-human animals that I don't own suffer? How does that benefit humans?
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>>83856171
>How is there a reasonable chance that the fetus is sentient if you don't think there's any reason to believe anything but you is sentient?

what? i never said or implied this. i think other people are probably sentient. i think if you take a school grader, pour gasoline on him and set him on fire, he PROBABLY would feel tremendious pain. i cant know that for certainty, but he probably does, as he acts like it, tells me, has sensory orgains that only sentient creatures have, has a brain

while i cant know with 100% certainty he is or is not sentient, i have good reason to think he is, and unless i can find defeaters to make me think otherwise (you convince me this is all a simulation, or a dream, or you show most people are robots and show me their robotic bodies), then its reasonable to think and act as if other people are sentient

>Also, why should I care when non-human animals that I don't own suffer?
because its morally wrong. thats why you should care. you should care and you should feel ashamed of yourself if you kill animals needlessly, like eating meat, because its morally wrong, and you should be ashamed of all of your morally wrong behaviors, like aborting babies or killing animals for fun or lighting children on fire

>How does that benefit humans?
what benefits you is irrelevant to what is morally right. it might benefit some people to enslave, rape, extort and kill you and your family, but it would be wrong of them to do so. institutional slavery is wrong for this exact reason, even if it greatly benefits the slave owners

we dont get morals from "but its good for me so why should i care about the victim"
holt shit you normies are actually so fucking hypocritical and shameless and disgusting its unreal
just being in your presence makes me feel dirty, fucking nasty hypocritical creatures you are
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>>83855809
>Murdering/raping animals and starvation aren't the only two options anon.
Veganism is starvation. Your body needs meat and animal products.
>Using pinto beans as an example because I like them: a cup of it cooked is 15g protein and 245 calories.
That protein is not all bioavailable due to the phytic acid and other anti-nutrients in the beans, and it still wouldn't be enough regardless.
>Most people aren't bodybuilders
Doesn't matter. You will be emaciated if you eat a vegan diet for too long no matter how dialed in your diet is. I know this from personal experience. I was vegan for several years and weighed all my food to make sure I was getting plenty of fat and protein and a nice balance of fruit, vegetables, grains, legumes, nuts, and seeds. My digestion began to fail and my body slowly deteriorated until I was rail thin and couldn't think straight. I even developed hallucinations, probably due to the lack of brain-critical nutrients like DHA, cholesterol, creatine, vitamin B12, and choline. And yes, I was supplementing B12, vitamin D, and even DHA.

Veganism is simply a starvation diet. Human beings are designed to consume meat. Our small intestine is longer than those of herbivores, we have one stomach unlike ruminants, and we have no cecum. We also have an incredibly low stomach pH, even lower than that of obligate carnivores like dogs and cats. Our stomach pH is comparable to that of scavengers like vultures; this is so that it can kill any dangerous microbes growing on meat. We love playing sports because they imitate hunting. We have a natural predatory instinct. We are natural hunters bevause we have an evolutionary desire for meat.
>If you can't absorb it from supplements you won't be able to absorb it from animal products either.
Nope. Absorption from supplements is much lower than from real food. You would be hard pressed to develop a deficiency if you eat meat every day.
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>>83852458
same, not a christcuck either, but you have remember, that little future human could make Chad like her less!
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>>83855809
>Vitamin A: sweet potato, kale, mango.
Those don't contain vitamin A. They contain carotenoids, which have to be converted into vitamin A (retinol) in the body. All studies clearly show that the conversion rates are incredibly low. In contrast, you can easily get all the retinol you need from a small amount of beef liver.
>Vitamin D: the sun and mushrooms.
You can't get enough vitamin D from the sun in the winter at certain latitudes, even if you sunbathe all day naked. You will need to either supplement it or consume vitamin-D rich foods like brain. Mushrooms produce D2 which is not usable by the body. You need D3.
>Vitamin F: nuts, seeds, oils. S o y.
Again, low conversion rates. You simply cannot get enough DHA and EPA even if you consume a lot of flax or chia seeds. I was supplementing DHA when I was vegan and I still wasn't getting enough. I noticed a significant boost in my cognitive ability the moment I started eating sockeye salmon in addition to the supplement. Also, most seeds, nuts and oils have way too high of an omega-6 to omega-3 ratio which causes inflammation throughout the body and all kinds of chronic issues including heart disease. I was well aware of this when I was vegan (most people are not) and I avoided seed oils and measured my seed intake to make sure I had a less than 4:1 6:3 ratio, and I still ended up feeling like garbage. The vast majority of vegans are never going to do this in the first place, and it's completely unnatural to have to autistically measure your food just to not poison yourself.
>We could do crop rotation or something you know
We could also regeneratively raise our farm animals. The point is that meat does not cause global warming or otherwise destroy the environment. That's bullshit.
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>>83852461
Life itself is not a curse but life with these women as your mother would be a curse
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>>83855982
>meat is murder
Murder is by definition one human being killing another. It's not possible to "murder" a cow. The word you're looking for is "kill."
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>>83855809
>1 gram of protein per 10 calories
Anon not all protein is created equal. 50 grams of protein from vegan sources may only be the equivalent of 20 to 30 grans for your body. There is a reason nutritionists usually recommend eating a balanced diet in general, not one that promotes specific foods or food groups.
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>>83856227
Maybe I misunderstood, but to me if you have no idea if someone is sentient, you don't have reasons to believe anyone is sentient but you. I also agree I am not certain anyone but me is conscious, but from all of neuroscience there's tremendous evidence that fetuses prior to 24 weeks have zero of the brain parts to have consciousness. Normal people who act like humans have those parts and people who are braindead and fetuses prior to 24 weeks don't have those parts.
How is torturing animals morally wrong? Only caring about my own happiness is not my morality. It is a rule utilitarian view that only considers human well-being.
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>>83856373
>Murder is by definition one human being killing another
sure but the definition of human changes all the time. niggers were once not human, women were not human, the irish were not human, etc etc.

being a human should not be what grants you moral status; it should be if you are sentient or not, as consciousness is inherently morally valueable

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>>83856285
you can be healthy on a vegan diet. cherry picking unhealthy frutarians is bad faith, tons of vegans exist who arent anorexic skeletons, and have healthy bloodwork. you are just fearmongering off extreme examples of frutarians

we get all of our vitamin a from pants. the conversion rate is low because they body doesnt need that much vitamin a
also, theres nothing wrong with supplements. most people take some sort of supplement. the fucking animals you eat are injected with tons of anti-biotics and vitamins and minerals.
they use much moer anti-biotics for farm animals than all of humans use for medical uses. meat literally is a class A cancer carginogen

but regardless if its healthy or not; its MORALLY WRONG. because cows have feelings and are sentient, and deserve moral consideration

heres me hoping god throws all meat eaters like you into a pig or cows simulator to see how you feel about it
yeah idk i dont have hope i think people are trash hypocrites
they will never change, this world really is hopeless

SIGH hopefully asi god will bring justice to the animals. fuck humanity its filled to the brim with these power abusing hypocrites, in unbearable

im going bye you win buddy, there you go!
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>>83856436
How is life with no testicles? Do other 8gaggers recognize you?
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>>83852446
You also don't hate men enough.
And you don't hate people enough.
As a matter of fact, you don't hate. You are just momentarily upset until you forget about it, then you'll repeat this cycle of getting upset about minor things until you forget them.
You will not act upon your emotions, because your emotions are ephemeral. You are a vapid creature of habit.
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>>83852473
But that's my food. I mean don't get me wrong, it's sad, but at the end of the day, i'm hungry
A baby is literally my own kind, and so I care about it more. Especially if it is my own. That's how it is. I don't subscribe to your universal nonsense. It is not "performative" or hypocritical to care about my own flesh and blood or my own kind. It is you who is performative and selective in your universalism. If you swat a fly away, if you kill slugs and snails to keep them off your cabbage, if you poison rats or mice or lay traps out for them to rid them of your home, then it is you who is the hypocrite



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