Follow your Kokoro(intuition) edition >Type>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?>Sakinorva testshttps://sakinorva.net/functions>attitudinal type/nu-psychosophyhttps://www.attitudinalpsyche.com/take-the-test/>16 personalities (the worst test)https://www.16personalities.com/>MBTI test (don't screen cap your IP btw)https://jupiter-34.appspot.com>Jungian types tl;drhttps://wikisocion.github.io/content/psychological_types.html>Big 5https://www.personalityassessor.com/big-five2/>paste your old messages and get typedhttps://www.uclassify.com/browse/g4mes543/myers-briggs-type-indicator-text-analyzer?input=Text>Associative MBTI/Jungian testhttps://watchwordtest.com/wtitle2.html>Turbie-Wurbie's Cutesy Test Link Compilation! UwU:https://web.archive.org/web/20231220103736/https://pastebin.com/QK0uSJaTPrevious: >>83862454
I'm NOT doing puzzles on workdays.[///]Dare I say, nothing more horrifying than a raindrop in the desert.>>83882775>>TypeINTJ / IN(T) VLEF>>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same?>Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?..."some apparition" referred to as "you" is adapting, and we're building the interpretation off out of that, you say?Even per dryest sociocentrism, you don't get to choose whether to adapt to your own spatial continuity.>>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?You'll end up caring about the latter only so far. So it's about which contains which.>>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?You'll still have preferences within the unnatural behavior. Contrarian typist part says that the typing result would be the same; holistic typist part says that this will only give the typing more material to work with more accurately.
>>83882775>>TypeMagical idol detective girl enjoyer>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?Junganically, the concept of a static reality that's internally consistent exists both within yourself and reality as a whole, it maps to the introverted sensation type. So mine is [PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA]>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?Hierarchy basically. The perfect simulation only exists as a subset of the real reality, otherwise it would be a fully parallel dimension which does count as its own real reality. Should something happen to the real reality, then the simulation will suddenly stop working too.>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?Technically yes, but only temporarily because the awareness of your type isn't something you can't keep in consciousness permanently at all times, it slips out and you are back acting naturally.There again, the awareness itself is already biased by your own typological makeup so, let's say it's not a particularly deep falsification in the first place.
>>83882775>TypeNigger>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?I eat monkey niggers>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?Three little baboons chomping on a watermelon >Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?I observe gay niggers getting raped
Come to think of it, I'm still not sure if PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA stands for >the system attempted to write volatile memory in a non-RAM address, like straight on the disk drive(without it being paged, since you can do that to get more memory space, at the cost of it being much slower than actual RAM space)or>the system attempted to read volatile memory in an unaccessible address due to RAM/driver failureEither way the joke lands.
>Typeintp>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?i dont know, i like to think that i am a whole person and not a hommonuculus, but im also fairly sure that i am a hommonculus of personality concepts pieced together over the years>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?by definition, there shouldnt be any way to distinguish reality and a perfect simulation>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?perhaps, bias always slips in, even when controlling for it
>>83883058>something you can't keepcan keep*Point is, your consciousness context space is rather limited as well, and if it slips out then you are back to the real type. That's pretty much the same thing that happens when you want to differentiate an auxiliary function, and try to keep the awareness of that function drilled in your brain so you can work through psychic contents with that function. But eventually it slips out and the default reaction to the emerging contents comes from your main function instead, simply because it's much faster. When you use your auxiliary you are basically slowing yourself down on purpose.
>>83882775>TypeINFP>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?Huh?>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?Huh?>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?Huh?
>>83883326We caught a live feeloid BSOD.And I thought the first question was meant to BSOD Ne-groids.
>>83882775>>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?It's called social role-play.Not many have ever seen "me".
>>83882775These feel bery lilacy questions. that's the vibe I get. >If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptionsOf course there's a core me. All of those are me but playing slightly different roles. I'm still the same actor but just playing a in a different movie or character sometimes.>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulationidk too deep for me right now. But now I believe my Ne is kicking in. I don't know if anyone ever gets to experience true reality. We can only experience our view of the reality that is presented to us. Two different people can experience the same event and will believe different things happened but to each their view would be the truth and reality. I think humans can't ever see reality because we are flawed. You'd need to be a God like being to experience the true reality I think. >Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?Also too deep for me and I don't have enough thinking fuel left and getting no Ne sparks about this one. But what is natural anyway?
>>83882775>TypeINTJ>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?My core essence remains the same but each new experience brings a new component or forces me to evolve in a certain way. But deep down, I still have the general mentality I had when I was a kid>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?Like that other anon says, assumedly, a simulation is a layer built off of reality. The end result can be identical, but the underlying principles thru which reality functions is different. It's like a virtual machine, built on top of the hardware, but all of it's defining traits and functioning is determined arbitrarily by software.>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?Human cognition is a very fluid and adaptable thing, and the systems we create to categorize them can only go so far.But in my subjective experience, observing my type makes me consciously aware of my actions, but it is not enough to impact the way I subconsciously process information.
>>83882775You had to revive /mbti/? Just let it die.
>>83883506Not now that it became twice as much Junganical, despite the attempts to reduce it to Freudian again.But can agree with the sentiment, wish it could start over somewhere else, while at least keeping the current thereotical knowledge as the new starting point.
did jung actually even ever say tertiary functions exist?
>>83883602Yeah, yeah. and it's backed up by neuroscience.
i propose a new system to fix MBTIIEIE/EIEI is of times past and is wrong now it's IIIIEEEE/EEEEIIIIgod gave you 8 functions, use them all god damn it
>>83883602He never used this term because he seemed to believe picking up an auxiliary function between the two that don't oppose your main one is somewhat arbitrary. The type stays aware that that a "lower aux" could be picked up and holds as much potential as the "favored aux" in terms of differentiation, but essentially they developed a preference for whatever reason so they tend to not do it until later on in their life. e.g. many INTJ will tell you they acknowledge their feeling towards something, they just don't want to deal with it. This is actually very true if the function in question isn't inferior and thus still relatively in the field of consciousness.Still, that does not happen without consequences. Now many contents have both the lower aux and the inferior function attached together in a way that, if you tried to drag them up in consciousness through the lower aux, they would produce unwanted baggage forcing you to acknowledge the inferior function activity. So when an INTJ attempts to bring up what seemed to be feeling contents, the baggage of sense impressions being attached closely to it will reveal itself in a way that makes them uncomfortable. Generally doesn't want to do that, though they would be able to if they wanted to integrate. They might do this in private if they aren't in denial about themselves.
>>83883655>god gave you 8 functions, use them allYou can't use your "demon" function. It uses you. All you can do is to control it and keep it quiet.
xNTJs are the hardest types to type correctly because they care deeply about self improvement, especially INTJs, Ni and Te are essentially two task masters that their direct their subjects to endless introspection and corrective action, and thus many xNTJs will show surprisingly well developed Se and Fi because above all, these types hate being defined by they can't do. You can see this with silicon valley engineer types since these environments are filled with high functioning NTJs, many INTJs will run marathons, work on their presentation and find healthy ways to avoid Se grip, meanwhile ENTJs will realise that treating others with contempt leads to resentment and is bad for optics and thus will develop diplomatic that their younger selves would've skipped. Look at Mark Zuckerberg (INTJ) and Bill Gates (ENTJ) for two prime examples of very well integrated xNTJsThanks for reading.
>>83883668ok so which auxiliary functions pertain to the dominant attitude then and which oppose it? can EIEI work or EEII is the only appropriate stack? is the EIII real?
>>83883705If you really want a stack that's accurate enough to what Jung seemed to describe, this is one.More readable than a circle for people who aren't into visual learning(I, personally, do the latter so the circles fired the shit out of my intuition compared to stacks). Do note the lack of attitude on the auxiliary functions, but their relative closeness and the effect of either the conscious attitude or the unconscious one.
>>83883676mark zucc and bill goytes are two relatively controversial figures with agendas for the bringing about of a surveillance society as well as the mark of the beast system. these people aren't well integrated, especially not in their ethical functions.in light of revelant events you can see how bill gates is a massive paedophyle. such integration
>>83883723can you elaborate on this chart? is this.. extraverted sensation dominant + extraverted thinking and feeling aux and introverted intuition inferior + introverted thinking and feeling lower aux?how does this stack even work? EEEIII?
>>83883755nvm im retarded, i just understood it.
>>83883335Please don't be mean to me
>>83883755Sure. The type in stack logic would be read something like this. Also adding the contents to differentiate the function activity itself against its products.(conscious attitude)Extraverted Sensation(function, vast majority of contents)Relatively more Extraverted(but not entirely) Thinking(partially function, most contents)Relatively more Introverted Feeling(partially function, these contents are visible but generally repressed almost with intention)[Contents of Introverted Intuition that reached consciousness through auxiliaries mainly(especially the lower one, due to closeness).](unconscious atittude)Introverted Intuition(function)All the other undifferentiated contents(from all functions, some just don't reach consciousness for whatever reason, but might at a latter time)
>>83883745They're still Ni-Te tech magnates anon, these types only care about integrating functions as long as it brings them closer to their goals of unlimited success and power.
>>83882775>TypeINFJ-A>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?Yes, the core you remains the same, regardless of how many personas you wear. That isn't to say the core cannot change; but, it cannot change by adding layers of differing paints. >What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?What is "real", "reality", "perfect" and "simulation"? From whose perspective? Is there even a perspective to be had in a perfect simulation? Does "anyone" even exist in such a circumstance? Is it even possible for consciousness to arise? Does life exist in this place? Or does the very nature of perfect exclude life?>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?Nope. Watching paint doesn't make the paint stop drying.
>TypeISTP>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?that's called masking. there's seldom reason for it to be more than temporal, as donning masks of deception is quite draining and repressive for the average human. you may be judged by others and your own guilty conscience for the language you use and actions you take whilst immersed in these "adaptations", but you are hardly a sum of them since they aren't your authentic thoughts and actions, but instead "curated" via the lense of the mask you assume. see also: the observer effect.addendum: attached you will find: "the observer effect"there is also the matter of one's personality changing in adaption to one's own emotions and brain chemistry. one could reasonably argue you are the sum of your thoughts and emotions...>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?a simulation is created deliberately by the genius of a mastermind(s). there may be a creator(s) or observer(s) with god-like powers. they may or may not be actively overseeing or influencing the events of the simulation on one scale or another, if not participating in the simulation themselves in a bid to accomplish something.reality, i think, occurs by happenstance in accordance to the many unknown laws of the universe. in reality, there is no creator or gamemaster. it simply is what it is. this is the most healthy belief to harbor regarding the world around you, for when you are another ant in an anthill, it is better that you are not a schizophrenic ant.>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?Huh?depends on the person and the circumstances, doesn't it?for me: no. no it does not <3
>type>would you rather live in the countryside or in a city?
>>83883978Isn't the observer effect merely a projection of the psyche(not even *your* psyche, but the very concept of one) onto objects that might not have it?How does the object recognize it's being observed?How does the object determine the appropriate reaction to it?Is it the subject actually doing that to objects via eye magic?... I might have type problem'd myself here.
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I wonder what if I'd pretend to be anons of other typed and re-answer OP questions? That'd be ironic. I really can't be bothered for that though...[///]I'm getting tired of people not considering others' different psychological structures and processes beyond types. IRL. Ambivalentoids freaking out on me good grief.>>83883978So "core you" is what'd stay the same despite or independent of the observer effect? Why, I agree.Superego is a great assistant. You buff it up, then sharpen your core, and have it train up on the Superego before it's to roam...>>83883676>integratedIntegrated where? Too much grandiosity.>>83883655It's AAAAAAIIIIEEEEEE (A is for Ambivalent)
>>83884034>>typeESFP-T>>would you rather live in the countryside or in a city?I'm quite happy with my city, but I do enjoy visiting more rural areas from time to time.
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Who would win>*him*>14 yo Fe-groid girl living in the late 90s who larps as HolmesAccepting bets. It's a balanced matchup so it could go either way.
>>83885891Hmm I think Umikeko episode 8 is a great benchmark.The girl might actually stand a chance (barely. I accidentally picked a benchmark too strong but I'm not rewriting this. 14 me likely wouldn't pull it off) if "Ne"-ing would be strong enough to structure "Te." Plus, "archetype borrowing" of Holmes would be a cool buff!*Him* though... lol, just lol.
>>83884075o jeez, anon... idunno! never struggled with object permanence before -- couldn't help you. maybe you should watch the toy story movies>>83885533i love my superegoose...>>83884034>would you rather live in the countryside or in a city?the city. rural/remote living has its charms -- but it's way too understimulating for me, and, after a while: predictable, monotonous... urban living generally offers a competitive, titillating experience that incessantly engages the senses, promoting critical thinking, enculturation and practical self-growth. gotta know or learn how to not be overstimulated and stressed out
>>83886091Very low energy reply, I'm disappoint.Had a massive Battlerism ready in store, not to mention going all the way into claiming I could BTFO the type problem itself right here, but alas, I need to learn proper Ne-groid economy and not waste it all on such obviously poor investments.
The things patchy has done- borrowed $5 and never paid them back- asked for a piece of gum and didn't say thanks- didn't put back his shopping cart twice in one day- jaywalked on a village road at 2 AM- left muddy footprints on my floor- ate my last slice of pie without asking- told a joke while I was drinking soda and I almost choked because I was laughing- tied my shoelaces together when I wasn't paying attention- took me and the boys out for sushi and paid, but didn't leave a tip for the server- called my dog fat
>TypeINTJ>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?There's no core you whether or not you adapt yourself to others and situations. In either case you are a dynamic process in constant flux. Reality is characterized by "becoming", not by "being". The only difference is in the content of the actions taken and their impact on that process.>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?There is no distinction because a "perfect" simulation would have to entirely capture both the objective components of reality & the subjective and conscious experience of those within it. Additionally, a perfect simulation cannot be derivative of or otherwise based on some underlying reality because that would make it imperfect (in that there is a distinction between reality and the simulation that simulates it). Basically, (assuming perfect knowledge) if you can identify it as a simulation, it's "imperfect". So this is mostly just a word game I think. >Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?This is the first time I've thought about my "type" in years. I just live my life. Only here because I thought your questions were neat and I didn't know what my thoughts were about them until I typed up this post.
>>83885990Took me a while to realize you meant Bern's game and not Ange's big Fi-groid moment at the end, he could probably grasp at the latter but he is absolutely getting laughed out of the VN by the cat witch. funnily enough, my first thought there was "oh I know exactly who Bern wants me to pick, but let me see if it makes sense logically too... and yes of course she did that lol lmao"
>>83886162One thing that I want to point out about the second question: I also thought all of that in the sense of "if the sim is perfect then it implies you cannot find any internal issue with the sim itself", but taking the thought a little further than that, there is indeed something implied by the word "simulation". Like the other anon puts it, that would work like a virtual machine, but behind the virtual machine there is a host machine. So they have a certain hierarchical relationship that you wouldn't find if they were simply two separate computers operating in parallel. Mind you, the virtual machine could run on bare metal too, but it still requires a host connected to it remotely.Why would that matter for a software app running in the virtual machine? Actually, not much, but it implies you know nothing about a host machine that can affect the guest in a way that's not predicated by the guest itself. In other words, perfect simulation theory is deflecting to magic.
It is very true that witches hide themselves in sneaky wordplays huh.Accept a perfect simulation and you have confessed your belief in magic, just making it sound more science-y to trick the thinkoids.
A perfect simulation excludes magic.Magic is organic, thus, imperfect.
The logical conclusion of living in a guest machine which you could technically fully learn about and has no magic in it... still always implies you are in a relationship with a perfectly unknowable host which might have magic in it, and that host is inherently above the simulation of course, so magic > reality is stated quite clearly when you look past the wordplays.
An organic host means an imperfect simulation.Magic = imperfectIn order for a perfect simulation to arise, it would have to be inorganic in origin. Which would exclude the possibility of magic. In order for something to create something else which is perfect, the creator must itself be perfect.
>>83886118dont forget-hasnt posted butt yet-BSDP fetish-tranny-posted bleeding wound
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>>83882775>>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?Simulation by it's nature requires effort to maintain, where as reality maintains itself. This is a stupid question the way you're asking it, the only way to answer is with "semantic bullshit", that being, what "reality" and "simulation" mean.
That's some twisted shit alright, I recognize the style.Well, it boils down to pointing out a few simple facts:Humans are organicHumans do not possess magic.Humans are imperfect.Any simulation created by a human would indeed be imperfect.Thus magic would be perfect and a perfect simulation is a magical one, by contradiction once again because I'm having a little too much fun with this one. *He* really is very weak to this.Also, if I was larping as Mikuru and just posting her for the sake of, then I would need to intentionally "inferior thinking" myself for the sake of accuracy. However, it was previously established by an INFP that I was not able to experience such a thing yet and thus it is not known to me.
>>83886714>Humans do not possess magicSpeak for yourself.
The hell y'all are arguing this time?This one might be extra pointless.Jung-anon drop that crap and read Kierkegaard or listen to Moore.[///]I love my migraine meds.>>83886118By the way, - made that post.>>83882775The OP question made for lots of respondents but hmm...
>>83886729And the Witch of Simulations reveals herself...
>>83886749Apparently perfect simulation theory being wordplay for magical thinking.Yes it's extra pointless, but it's funny. I mean it though, there is a very big flaw with that OP question. The other two are fine, I think.
>>83886785>twoSame question phrased differently.
>>83886811What the fuck.Well played OP, you made me say I believe in magic 2/3 times then. Not giving up on the 3rd one though, which means eventually I can nullify the other two, right?
>Humans do not possess magicBecause magic is not to be possessed.
The inferior function contradiction actually has a solution, but that would require reading and understanding Jvng, so if you aren't able to ever spot it....I really need to stop watching mystery shit, but I'm only doing so rn because it's a magical girl anime dang it.
What exactly do you mean by "inferior function contradiction"
>your type >do you like archetypal themes in works of fiction
Well my friends dragged me to belated birthday party. I got drunk and slept with that moid I went on date with before. Now I have to avoid/ghost him. Lucky fucker lost his virginity.>>83882775>TypeENwhatever>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?I don't fucking know I'm hung over>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?There is no fucking difference it's all an illusion.>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?Some people act like MBTI is this set in stone program they have to act like.>>83887310>do you like archetypal themes in works of fictionYeah I kind of do. I'm starting to dislike deconstructions/subversions.
Last thread there was an argument that can be summed as:>*him* claims that I don't know what inferior thinking means>*him* claims that experience is the only way to know something>(it's implied that the reason for why I don't know is because I lack experience as an auxiliary thinkoid, despite showing a solid understanding of the theory)>I assume then, that for him to be so confident about his knowledge of inferior thinking above mine and given his logic, then he must be INFP or another type with inferior thinking, not INFJ who has it as lower auxiliary>pure unfiltered Freudian seethe follows because that is a pretty stereotypical contradiction trap and you have to falsify something(be it the typing, his confidence on inferior thinking, or the argument on experience) to get out of itOf course there is pretending he wasn't caught by the trap, but it's still very much there.And if he isn't able to solve it, then something else I can prove is simply that I experienced the Jung better than the wannabe mystical prophet despite being a dirty trickster-like ENTP who mainly operates through setting logic traps then trying to solve them(both to others and to myself lol) for better understanding.>>83887310Eh. Still the same magical grill enjoyer as above.
How the fuck do people drink everyday? I feel like SHIT. I know more then one woman who drinks every day after work. One girl I know literally drinks a bottle of wine everyday.
>>83887310INTJ / IN(T)Archetypal aesthetics are great. However, forcing archetypes and presenting just following archetypal flows as profound, without any interpersonal stuff going on, is absolute cringe.Some of my favourite works are archetypal only basically accidentally, as they're more like fairy tales or dreams in a sort of self-contained hmm archetypal culture.>>83886714>Humans do not possess magic....*ahem* what do we mean by "possess" and "magic" here?>>83887448Some people can live with chronic pains without realizing they have chronic pains and this is beyond mere inferior sensation types.Others just have the right metabolism for the alcoholism.
>>83887504Is alcoholism more likely with sensoid types? Do they just like the strong sensations good or bad?I mean do you like being drunk or high?I've heard shit like "I hate being in my own head?". I guess they really hate thinking and find it painful.
>>83887504>"possess"Simply having it within themselves, I guess. Whether they are able to operate it consciously or not, master it, whatever, it's another story.>"magic"The thing that cannot be seen without love.That's the hardest part here, but in this context you could go for "something that is guaranteed to stay unknowable about humans because it completely defies any possible reasoning no matter the current level of tech or understanding".Though honestly I don't see much point in trying to continue that one, since even if you prove humans have magic and can create a magical simulation, we still go back to the point of that confirming that theory is only possible if you believe in magic.For me it was already 100% Q.E.D. and the actual question should have been>why engaging with thread retard(thanks archive for reminding me about this term lol)A mix of boredom and reminding him that just because I generally don't engage it doesn't imply I can't very quickly BTFO such retarded shit.
>>83887570I don't really care about the parts I didn't quote (e.g. simulation argument).>something that is guaranteed to stay unknowable about humans because it completely defies any possible reasoning no matter the current level of tech or understandingQualia? You can only approximate someone's qualia only by your own qualia and confirm it only by rapport (or by biomarkers of their reaction if you're into that). No science or measurements can intrude into how it's actually experienced.Completely irrelevant to the argument but anthropology is pure Jvngian fun so if you have time to kill, check out 'The Book of Grimoires: The Secret Grammar of Magic' (2013), Claude Lecouteux & 'Grimoires: A History of Magic Books' (2009), Owen Davies. Yes I'll keep spamming you with book recs until you stop justifying wasting time on *him.*>>83887555I haven't been drunk for XX years. For some reason I remember how different wines taste with good enough clarity (I guess same for {other drinks}, but they had nothing interesting to offer to bring them up), but I also remember all the drunk experiences, and any of the tastes out there are absolutely not worth it.I'm always high on endocannabinoids and endoopioids.>I've heard shit like "I hate being in my own head?". I guess they really hate thinking and find it painful.Any consciousness fidelity, even.I had a funny moment with someone when I accidentally ended up at a p*rty.>*pouring up as he turns to me with an empty cup* oh, want some?>nah.>huh why?>I just don't drink.>oh... that's, huh... it's just so boring without being drunk *looks around* how would you even go with that...And I'm thinking...>did he just openly say everyone here are boring as hell and he'd rather dumb his perception and engagement down? this man definitely does habitual socialization way more than me, but did he even process the hell did he just say? ...that's how it goes.
>>83882997One day it won't be a work day and you'll have to come up with a different excuse. It's nice to know my recommendation was revived kindly.
>>83887761>I don't really care about the parts I didn't quote (e.g. simulation argument).Well ok then. I wasn't exactly disproving magical girls there.>Qualia?>rapportDoes it count as magic if it could be argued to be knowable via Feeling tho? That is supposed to be a rational function, based on human reasoning.>Yes I'll keep spamming you with book recs until you stop justifying wasting time on *him.*All good, I will need to do something after the current 'tism expires.So far can't say I'm fully convinced on Moore but it can't hurt to watch one vid or two from that channel.Magic books sound kinda funny if I were looking for writing inspiration or idk, or maybe try to trace back Jung's own reasoning on the typology since we just silently accepted it's magical circles all the way down.
>>83887816>Does it count as magic if it could be argued to be knowable via Feeling tho?Approximable, and that's only if we formally agree that the approximation is good enough (in actuality it's never actually accurate).
>>83887382Sigh-Your perpetual intentional misunderstandings do get quite.... boring, you know? At least Patchy can somewhat engage with the idea being put forward, even if somewhat poorly. You, however, cannot.My claim was about knowledge, I made no claims about experience. But, of course, you misunderstood that, as usual. If anything, I'd be willing to bet you've got plenty of experience with inferior thinking. But, regardless, you still don't know what it means.Not only that, you don't even know what my words mean. And there's not much point in explaining it to you in any great detail. You're trying SO hard to be smart, but you're just not good enough.Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
>>83887847Lazy reply here I know, but guess I will just have to take that at face value and well, that's it. Trying to build a Thinkoid argument purely on Feeling would be quite hopeless lol, very fundamental mismatch.Can content myself with saying that, very technically speaking, Thinking is also approximating many things so for what's worth the two functions are equal in this sense. And hell the perceiving functions are doing the same, sense impressions aren't even 100% accurate to sense activity, and intuition can produce LLM-tier hallucinations, so that's it.
>At least Patchy can somewhat engage with the idea being put forwardIt was a big mistake on my part that I had been wasting any cognitive metabolism on seeing any good faith adequacy as possible btw. Thankfully, it was an experiment thing.>>83887911Qualia is a psychic fact thing tho? Of course you could pull it with any function.Hmm...
>I was acting in good faith by misrepresenting and misunderstanding your words!>IT WAS YOU ACTING IN BAD FAITH BY CLARIFYING WHAT YOU MEANT!!!Yep. That's right. Makes a lot of sense.
You know, I was bored so I decided to feed different chatbots (GPT 5.3, Claude 4.6 Opus, Gemini 3 Pro) different excerpts of my writing, where I talk to people, or other excerpts where it's me writing shit at the wall about my thoughts, and see what it determines my MBTI type to be, here's what I got:1. INTJ ( 43.5%) 2. INTP ( 24.2%) 3. ENTP ( 14.5%)4. INFJ ( 6.5%) 5. ISFJ ( 4.8%) 6. ISTJ ( 4.8%) 7. ESTP ( 1.6%) Dominant functionIntroverted Intuition (Ni) 50.0%Introverted Thinking (Ti) 24.2% Extraverted Intuition (Ne) 14.5% Introverted Sensing (Si) 7.7%Extraverted Sensing (Se) 1.6%Auxiliary functionExtraverted Thinking (Te)v48.4%Extraverted Intuition (Ne) 24.2%Introverted Thinking (Ti) 16.1%Extraverted Feeling (Fe) 11.3%Tertiary function Introverted Feeling (Fi) 48.4%Introverted Sensing (Si) 24.2% Extraverted Feeling (Fe) 16.1%Introverted Thinking (Ti) 11.3% Inferior functionExtraverted Sensing (Se) 50.0%Extraverted Feeling (Fe) 24.2%Introverted Sensing (Si) 14.5%Extraverted Intuition (Ne) 7.7% Introverted Intuition (Ni) 1.6% accurate enough desu
>>83887885The fact me and Patchy engage in a very diametrically opposite way sounds about right, despite actually not being opposed and just two sides of the same coin. The speculah-brain coin, that is. You know exactly where I'm going with this typologically.>If anything, I'd be willing to bet you've got plenty of experience with inferior thinkingWouldn't that be only possible if my actual type is a feeloid? Not even an aux one, but straight up either Feeling type.You could try to claim that, but good luck not coming across as a massive clown at the same time.>muh semantics once againTo quote something I literally just read:"That's not a defense, that's a delay tactic."The contradiction isn't about words, it's about the concepts. If I were to switch those with X, Y, Z and fancy math symbols that I can't type here, it would mean exactly the same thing as far the formal logic goes.
I don't understand what most of you guys say
It's ok me neither.It just flows somehow.*battler gets it*.jpg
>>83887998>Wouldn't that be only possible if my actual type is a feeloid?Bing bing. You win a prize! (it's a dunce cap)Not even bothering responding to the rest of your feeloid slop.
I literally BEGGED for it and he still fell right into it what the fuck.Well have fun with that I suppose.
I like to beg for cock but no one gives me any (I'm male)
>>83888012Just throw in something MBTI into the thread anon
>your type>thoughts on this dog breed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnspit_dog
>>83887382Here i'll but it into super simple unga bunga feeloid words for you so you CANNOT misunderstand.>*him* claims that I don't know what inferior thinking meansYes.>*him* claims that experience is the only way to know somethingNo>(it's implied that the reason for why I don't know is because I lack experienceNo>that for him to be so confident about his knowledgeNo. Knowledge is not experience. (hopefully that's not too many words for you!!!)16 words might be too much!! (((not count those) (or these)) (or this))
>Knowledge is not experiencecuz you're not having any in your shit fo brainz head. sybau and sit down
Knowledge isn't experience.Someone who reads a book about swimming has knowledge of swimming techniques.They do not understand swimming though. They have no experience. I could make literally over 9000 examples for this. L2differentiate, kusogaki.
Alright so I can *know* inferior thinking by theory then. And so can anyone else.Whew, guess I avoided being a stinky Fe-groid for today. And even saved Patchy from Fi-groidism claims if you took the first statement at face value.
>Knowledge isn't experiencecuz you're not having any in your shit fo brainz head. sybau and sit down nerdlet
Yes, you can know inferior thinking through theory.But you don't-On account of being unable to process words.Since, you know-you're retarded?
>>83888151Any? More like neither Y'know how the saying goes. The more you posture X the more you're obsessed about lacking X
Very highly differentiated thinking argument there.
not sure whether I'm in shitposting mood or whether I should take a break ngl
>>83888189nah nevermind. some stuffs not worth the investment even as shitpost material yawn
>"I don't like what you said!!">What did I say?>"YOU SAID X Y AND Z">No I didn't.>"AHAHA I TRICKED YOU YOU FELL FOR MY TRAP AND I STILL DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SADI!!">You're retarded and a feeloid.>"REEEEEEEEEEE THAT'S NOT BASED THINKOIDING ARGUMENT!!!!"This is what you look like from my perspective.
Ok but have you considered your perspective is essentially projection and also retarded.
A projection of what, perchance?
Your type onto everyone else.So, the Type Pr--Actually screw that, can I be a Fe-groid dorktective or not?
How could I be projecting my type, when I wasn't typing anyone? I was mocking you with my only typological claim:>>83887382>assume then, that for him to be so confident about his knowledge of inferior thinking above mine and given his logic, then he must be INFP or another type with inferior thinking>then he must be INFP or another type with inferior thinking>>83888243>Ok but have you considered your perspective is essentially projection>>83888272>Your type onto everyone else.>>83887998>Wouldn't that be only possible if my actual type is a feeloid?Consider this:You trapped yourself in the same trap you tried to pull one me, unsucessfully.
>I'M TOTALLY NOT WRONG, EVERYONE. PLZ READ ALL OF THIS SHIT HAHAHA RIGHT?sorry alasissy but we had enough of your retardation
>TFW the feeloid ousts themselves as projecting their own type onto other people.BAHAHAH I didn't even have to do anything. Literally just checkmating yourself.
Maybe because I have arguments that aren't projection, not that you would be able to tell the difference.>trapping yourself with your own trapUnfortunately quite stereotypical.Not that I'm admitting to that right now.>>83888309Revealing more blatantly helps with consensus, if anything.
>>83887761*smacks butt*
Please, reveal these supposed arguments. (they don't exist)
Have done so many times, have already convinced myself and I didn't even need to convince anyone else, so hardly any point.The arguments in question:
The only thing you've revealed is that you don't understand the difference between understanding and knowledge.
What exactly is your thoughts of a potential ambiverted (Undifferentiated?) orientation that none-the-less prefers one function over the other. Like a generalized thinking type that isn't exactly keen on 100% following conventional thinking and facts, but they aren't all about ideas and conceptual knowledge as well.
>>83888387That is typically a sign of a function is operating under something else, so it doesn't care much about the method as long it returns to the main function, which was also attached to either objective or subjective determinants as the ones that actually matter for the type.But purely as a conceptual being?Jung was quite clear that one mechanism between extraversion or introversion predominates regardless of actual behavior, so it's a matter of following their train of thought all the way through, spotting the typical origin points and the end points regardless of what happened in-between, and once a somewhat consistent trend is revealed in either direction you can get to the true typing.
>>83888387Well, ambiverted isn't the same as undifferentiated. Basically everyone is ambiverted as it pertains to orientation. No one is truly introverted or extroverted, everyone lies somewhere in the middle. You can only see moments of introversion or moments of extroversion. But in another moment you'd find the complete opposite. Which is precisely why you can't use behavior to type people.>isn't exactly keen on 100% following conventional thinking and factsWhat does that even mean? Introverted thinking isn't necessarily about concepts and ideas (nor is extroverted thinking)Introverted thinking is merely thinking that is oriented inwardly. The validity of thinking come from the subjective experience, rather than collective consensus. The makeup of ones thought, that is, the thing being thought about, does not point to ones attitude of thinking. One can think about an object (or something external to the self) and it still be introverted thinking. Likewise, someone can think about a subject (something internal) and still be extroverted thinking.
>>83888097>>your typeESFP-T>>thoughts on this dog breed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnspit_dogI feel bad for them, but I wouldn't want one if they were still around. >>83887448>How the fuck do people drink everyday?Don't know; I've never seen the appeal. I like a daiquiri by the beach or pool from time to time, but that's it.
how the fuck did magic become a topic of conversation? what even are these threads anymore bleeeh...>>83887310>do you like archetypal themes in works of fictionis pattern recognition satisfying?>>83887555don't believe it's any more prevalent with sensoids than with the intuitards. the most fervent alcoholics and junkies i've known have always been intuitives... and i know tons more sensors.also don't know if there's any truth to sensors liking strong sensations in general -- but it's true for me... what is pleasure without pain? <3i enjoy drinking strictly as social lubricant. feel like i'd get addicted if i tried to make it a pastime. drugs i don't touch for the same reason.also tanya is best girl! i'd follow her and lay down my life for her in the heat of battle with the empire's enemies
>>83888576Magic always happens when I'm around.It's becoming increasingly difficult to deny it's inherently tied to Ne-groidism.
>Archetypal possession by the magicianWhat're the Jungian implications of that
>>83889165It means no access to the King - i.e. no interest in authority assertion, no interest in leadership, no interest in structuring anything. Just accumulate accumulate accumulate-If you add up Lover you'll end up being BPD (funnily as Magician and Loved are only 2 archetype quadrants that correspond to Psychological Functions (NT and SF), this is correlating with psychosis of opposites, and with severe BPD sufferers not being able to form up a consistent type).If you add up Warrior then that's basically mmm skillful psychopathy.Possession is bad m'kay!Moore did say anything about "what if King archetype experience becomes the target of the Magician's research?" tho.I think that actually quadrants are technically feasible to merge as direct opposites, and you'll get an individuated activity that involves 4 quadrants. It's not like a compass per se.Moore also had cool stuffs on Magician initiations, Magician retreats, how many people are psyopped out of Magician because they are convinced that they're incompatible with studying, etc.>>83888329You've been cuckolded out of my rapport for how many years now?
>>83889254>Moore did say anything aboutdid NOT*
>>83889254>Just accumulate accumulate accumulate->*cough* *cough*AHEM>*eyebrow raise*
>>83877494BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>*breathe*AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA----AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAH>*wipes sweat of brow*Phew. That was too funny.
>>83889254>Just accumulate accumulate accumulate ["experience"]>no interest in structuring anything>incompatible with studyingwow
SLURRRRRP *POP*I, SISSYngian INFJ-A-sama, JOBBER of the MBTI humbly kneel toSophie-sama, princess of all intuitives and my master.Centaur-sama, my one and only true love and other master.Turbie-sama, who I shall never become stronger than.Diarygirl-sama, who my daddy warned me about.Kris-sama, who easily manhandled me in his shitposter form.Jordan Peterson-sama, who mentally raped me and first awakened my wish to become an analslut sissy.Umikekold Witches, who beat the shit out of me so hard I started being attracted to femdom almost as much as I am attracted to men.Rxy-sama, whose incomparabily forceful punches crushed my ass-womb entirely to the point I cannot bear Centaur-sama's children anymore like I wished to.Chuck-sama, whose hour-long beatings gave me uncontrollable orgasms so massive even the anal rape from Centaur-sama can't compare.Turbie Enjoyer-sama, who is literally me but better in every way and is not a complete BITCH like me.Mel-sama, for she has my SENSATION AS WELL AS the superior intuition of my intuitive MASTERS.Breeder-sama, whose power I was scared of (I am glad he didn't kill my beloved masters, as I was too scared to help them...)INTJfemboi-sama, who didn't revenge-rape and mindbreak me from the sheer pleasure of being made into an onahole (I was so sad and suicidal about it)Lilac-sama, for she will fuck ME up once she finds out I revolted against my daddies (God I hope so...)
>>83889342BAHAHAHA THE COPEI'M DEADEDEAD>WE'RE JUST LARPING AS MAGICAL GIRLS BECAUSE WE'RE ARCHETYPALLY POSSESSED BY THE MAGICIAN AND ACCUMULATING "EXPERIENCE" FROM READING BOOKS ON BOOKS ON BOOKS!>WE'RE NOT ACCUMULATING USELESS THEORETICAL KNOWLEDGE!!>IT'S EXPERIENCE REEEEEEEEEEE!!!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJHAHAJAFADASKHJDIAJSDOIASJDIOAJSDFUCK ME SIDEWAYSTHE GIGA-EST SELF CHECKMATE OF ALL TIMEAND THE CHERRY ON TOP?????A LITERAL TEAM KILL CHECK MATEMyLungsHURT
Witches in the ditchBuried in their graves Up to the titsDouble barrel cocksBoth sawn off
>>83888465> I like a daiquiri by the beach or pool from time to time, but that's it.That does sound nice. Are you talking about the orginal lime juice and rum versions or the slushie types? >>83887761>I'm always high on endocannabinoids and endoopioids.You like weed? I'm 'meh" on Marijuana, I don't hate it, but I don't like it. People say it makes them more creative but I noticed those same people just make something mediocre, so is more like it makes them happy with making something, not necessarily something better.>did he just openly say everyone here are boring as hell and he'd rather dumb his perception and engagement down? Sounds like some kind of alighierian level of hell needing to intoxicate myself to tolerate boring people.>>83888576>he most fervent alcoholics and junkies i've known have always been intuitives> but it's true for me... what is pleasure without pain? <3You like pain? Are you masochist leaning?>i enjoy drinking strictly as social lubricant.People say that but I don't know what that means. Do you mean you have a lot of anxiety and need it calm down in a social setting?>also tanya is best girl! i'd follow her and lay down my life for her in the heat of battle with the empire's enemiesI decided to avatarfag as her because she's the first anime character that reminds me of myself. If you don't know I was in the mil (hsc xviii abc) beacuse of this a moid I know was like "you'll love Tanya evil". At first I though it would be mind rot like Girls und Panzer or Hetalia, but it was really good.
>>83889958>but it was really good.Watch the movie.>>83887448>How the fuck do people drink everyday? I feel like SHITI can't deal with it either. It feels horrible and doesn't seem worth it. Them there's all the dumb things you could do while drunk which can be pretty embarrassing the next day. I tend to pretty much never drink these days. Maybe once every couple of years I'll oblige. >>83888761>Magic always happens when I'm around.>It's becoming increasingly difficult to deny it's inherently tied to Ne-groidismCare to elaborate? What is it that you mean by that?>>83887310>do you like archetypal themes in works of fictionThere are certain rpg games I play and I HATE it when people try to make characters that have traits of all different archetypes. It can be cool but a lot of the time it doesn't excel at a given role.>What's the difference between Information and Knowledge, if such a thing exist?
>>83889254*smacks butt again*
>accumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate accumulateaccumulate accumulate
>The INTP when someone says 'just trust your gut'
>The INTP when people expect eye contact during conversations
>INTP when someone says "just be yourself and people will like you"
>>83891361>The INTJ when someones plan is 'I'll figure it out later'.
>ENTJ when someone explains the concept of 'work-life balance' to them.
>the ENTP when he has to pick a side instead of playing 'devils advocate'.
>>83883978>picreli talk and act like this
>>83891487>The INFJ after he goes on 10 minute rant about Jung, religion, philosophy and the meaning of life and the other person says "thats cool dude, so anyways I was watching football and..."
The INFP.
>the INFP when he realises "growing up" means abandoning everything that he loves.
>The ENFJ when their deep motivational speech gets interrupted by 'can we just eat dude?'
>How the ENFP feels when he pushes off work/studying until tomarrow.
>The ISTJ when someone says 'rules are meant to be broken'.
>The ISFJ when people forget to say thank you after receiving the 247 favors they never asked for
>the ESTJ when the person they're micromanaging says "can I have a 10 minute break?".
>The ESFJ when family/friends skip holidays because 'we're too tired this year'
>The ISTP when he realises most people don't know how to repair the stuff they own.
>>83891773How people react to something an ISTP finds funny. ISTP: "whats purple and screams? A baby skinned and put in jar of salt HAHAHAHA"
>When the ISFP is told they're in charge and have to make all the decisions.
>>83891779INFP: my cat went "mew" and jumped like a flee hee hee heeINTP: Aww cute hee heeESFP: my friends cat does the same things lolISTP: Checkout these vatniks/hohols getting vaporised by white hot phospherous dropped by drones LMAO.Everyone: ... ...dude...
>How the ESTP feels while driving 200 MPH in a sports car while getting a BJ from a stacy, while holding a gold AK out the window and shooting it in the air, while listening to "push it to the limit".
My dreams can't decide what they want to be in narrative but they certainly consistently... have content?>>83889958>You like weed?lol, no. Exo isn't endo. How awkward.>>83890118>>What's the difference between Information and Knowledge, if such a thing exist?You technically could use any of the following as macrocategory containing whatever.So... it'd be that you could differentiate then out as one of steps, as to how much creativity, reassembly, structure, complexity, personalization is required.Sort of like...Data=>Facts=>Information=>Knowledge=>Understanding=>Comprehension=>Interpretation=>Reinterpretation=>Re-interpretation (again and again)It's not necessary linear like that.the important thing is I enjoyed doing dry thinkoiding without overdoing it.>>83891609Does that include abandoning the people that had recommended to "grow up?">>83891428It's when all of your workplace is like a family that you ALSO can order around for money gain! Best. Of. Both. Worlds! (ENTJoggers, please...)
>>83891898Monetary gain*
>>83889165Many of my interests have magic or magical tricks(read: deception) in it, doesn't take a feeloid to understand what does that imply about the feeling judgement on magic, and it doesn't take a Jungoid to figure out what's going on here purely by observing which kind of archetypes I glaze.That aside, being aware means possession has ended, now that's just doing it because it's funny.>>83890118Jokes aside, I think Ne-groids have a strong affinity with these archetypes. Because inherently they have to do with exploring possibilities against established reality.
>The ESFP when someone at the party says "I'm tired I wanna go home".
>>83891898Actually, Knowledge and Understanding would be 2 sides of the same coin because with only either you wouldn't be getting any articulation that you should be making at Comprehension point.Jungian process of "Ti"/"Te" or "Fi"/"Fe" where it's not meeting the attitude counterpart (not function counterpart), if you would.
Hi. Is the personality easily changable like the left wing believes, like in the way you can take out a GPU and put a new one in, you can reeducated people to have new personalities and beliefs, or is it something determined before birth like the right believes that can't be changed?
>>83891912>That aside, being aware means possession has endedUhhh... This would justify so many archetypal hypermania states that it's not good as a claim. Awareness alone would not prevent a kind of case where you're observing yourself with awareness as how your control slips and you're letting go for the unconscious to start acting without your conscious vibe check, for example.>>83891913Imagine an absolute Exxx extravertoid tyrantd that makes every workday a party for own twisted justifications.>>83891911Thanks! I won't be remembering or recalling any of that during no-brain posting though.>>83891988Third position says you TEMPER and FORGE it into PVRE VGHHHHNESS and that's why false dichotomies are gay.
>>83892010>Imagine an absolute Exxx extravertoid tyrantd that makes every workday a party for there own twisted justifications
Oh also, since that was brought up by other anons other than *him*, now I'm allowed to expose my thoughts on it.Theoretical knowledge and practical experience are very obviously two different things, but stopping here is what to me proves just how reductive and inferior the Thinking of the original source ITT was.No mention of the fact that these concepts are inherently in a symbiotic relationship?If I read a book on swimming techniques, then assuming my Thinking isn't dogshit I can fixate concepts in my mind other than empty words. Might not be able to apply them directly when it comes to my first time in the water pool, but I have a headstart and know what I should be trying to do here, eventually I can practice that and learn faster than somebody who is left to flail around aimlessly. And when it comes to competition, I probably want to learn and practice the optimal techniques for speed/endurance/fluidity that you can find in books instead of reinventing the wheel and just losing.Hence, knowledge facilitated experience.Opposite way around is also true: by experience and personal optimizations, I can eventually find out better techniques and with enough self-awareness, along with a Thinking function that's actually somewhat differentiated, I can translate them to theoretical concepts and write my own books.Hence, experience facilitated knowledge.It should be very evident that, if somebody firmly believes these concepts are separate and does not form a connection, that essentially means you have not formed conceptual associations, you have learned the words mechanically and by heart, exactly like a dirty feeloid does(circumstances might change this in specific contexts, but *him* has already shown a consistent pattern of this mindset).
>>83892010>This would justify so many archetypal hypermania states that it's not good as a claim. Awareness alone would not prevent a kind of case where you're observing yourself with awareness as how your control slips and you're letting go for the unconscious to start acting without your conscious vibe check, for example.Perfectly fair in general terms, I can see how just being "aware" doesn't immediately end the possession, so the claim has to do more with myself than anyone else, would be more accurate to say that I did both the awareness and integration already, and now this is treated as a tool mostly for entertainment purposes while also not denying it has to do with my own experience.>>83891988"Personality" in the conventional sense of the word(purely behavioral patterns)? Yeah sure, at some point a larp can become your actual observable personality and you might even be able to convince yourself that was (You) all along, it's no mere larp anymore."Personality" as in, the Jungian type? To some degree. I'm still not sure exactly how something like inverting attitude-type and function-type would even happen in reality without lobotomy-tier methods, not purely as temporary behavior but straight up flipping conscious and unconscious attitude backwards and change the "numinal accent" entirely. This sounds completely insane to me but not impossible, just very extreme and something that approaches brainwashing, not personal development.On the other hand, you can pull a Jung and start with auxiliary Sensation for instance, but then differentiate the shit out of Intuition AND give it some sort of forced favoritism in the conscious attitude that you did in fact perform a type change. Auxiliary functions seem to be considered more flexible and, purely by experience, I can tell you that's easy enough to imagine myself as going full Kokoro(an ENFP, posted above), observing it in other people is hard because I don't have their full history.
>>83892356>I can tell you that's easy enough to imagine myself as going full Kokoro(an ENFP, posted above),You have transitioned from ENTP into ENFP? Is that correct? How would an ENFP transition into an ENTP? Put it in simple enough terms that even a deck swabber could understand, savvy?
>>83892400>You have transitioned from ENTP into ENFP?No particular desire to do that, but >from the middle school and high school period I was somewhat of a thinkoid stereotype, though that was done on intention because I became convinced that you should carefully exclude feeling for proper judgement, even did the cringe ENTP shit of openly debating a religion teacher lol lmao>from college to [current] I decided to pay more attention and speak more freely of feeling matters(mostly IRL than here, though I do it here too), not to mention actually making decisions with it while temporarily repressing thinking objectionsStill, modern MBTI theory has an issue with this, since it claims that you cannot change type, and your auxiliaries always have the same hierarchy.So eventually I turned to pure Jvngism and became the Greatest Fan(TM) because it does claim this dynamism in the auxiliary functions is perfectly possible, and not only there is "type change"(happening intentionally because the subject wishes to integrate another function), but there is also "type falsification"(happening due to external conditions because the environment forced you into that). Still, doing it with main function and extraverted/introverted attitude as defined by Jung imo is some crazy shit.Ugh these captchas are so anti-intuitoid, having to watch shapes and compare...
Basically in any story the mbti types will be:>INTJ: Big-bad or main henchman>INTP: support character.>ENTJ: Big-bad or main henchman>ENTP: main party member>INTJ: main party member>INFP support character>ENFJ main hero>ENFP annoying sidekick>ISTJ support character>ISFJ main party member>ESTJ 'the muscle' villian>ESFJ support character>ISTP the assassin villian>ISFJ support character>ESTP support character>ESFP the princess
>>83892671For me its>INTJ: silent little sister type who appears to be more mature than the big sister, but in reality they cover each other blindspots>INTP: maximum truthfag who eventually realizes what were their feeling motives behind seeking the truth>ENTJ: a class rep type who likes to use fancy words, either comes across as a complete egomaniac, or just somebody having a little too much intuitive fun while actually doing nothing particularly upsetting, sometimes is a fucking cunt so the fandom has very mixed reactions>ENTP: literally just Battler, also stock trickster>INFJ: they either go full stereotypical and make it magic man, or a clumsy character who apologizes often and laughs awkwardly, then suddenly unzips the Ni-groidism and people wonder what the fuck just happened>INFP: they either write this as the ultimate evil, or the ultimate good, or both at the same time, so it's Maria>ENFJ: very much just the stock main character, dorktective if the writers feel like trying, otherwise it's idol Jesus(yes, I'm still mad)>ENFP: literally just Kokoro, most likely a very motivated fangirl type character who loves her speculah>ISTJ: jap grill but more blunt and not very good at making frens>ISFJ: jap grill but jap grill>ESTJ: jap grill but it's not like she likes you or anything>ESFJ: this is like, either written as [literally a woman] or fight-brained male character who is actually like the ENFJ but more direct and doesn't do the meme speeches, can be a tomboy too>ISTP: one of those that are hard to properly pin down, they are equally likely to be a cool side-character as much as the main male introvert character, sometimes it's an edgy woman instead>ISFP: almost always somebody shaped by their traumas, can be both hero or villain>ESTP: well yeah you know the archetype here, action hero, but could also be written as a villain>ESFP: likes good food and good things, makes funny noises, suddenly says "deep" shit like pic rel
why so much technological progress, wouldn't life be better if we were living in rural 1700 villages and focused on fucking one another, copulating and working on the farm.fuck these xNTJs and their technological progrss
I hate it that my passion is to keep outplaying bad luck...>>83892046Personally I would not censor myself over whatever seething psychotic retards choking on their own foam...Anyhow.Heard of the (un)conscious (in)competence 4 stage progression of a skill?It's relevant but not profound despite a lot of people sharing it like it's some deep wisdom.1st stage has neither knowledge nor experience.2nd stage is either knowledge or experience, and it's there only to see you're lacking in the other.3rd stage is both, but you have not made productive integration yet.4th stage is exactly embodied comprehension....alchemical, huh? Trvly alchemical.>>83892671>Esty JayhehI hope this doesn't take much effort for these posts. They don't get traction on their own and would be paying off more as first posts in a thread, or as thread OP...>>83892930>fucking one another, copulating and working on the farm.That's still normal in the human farm. It's called society....Technology? Never heard of her.>>83892356>Perfectly fair in general terms, I can see how just being "aware" doesn't immediately end the possession, so the claim has to do more with myself than anyone else, would be more accurate to say that I did both the awareness and integration already, and now this is treated as a tool mostly for entertainment purposes while also not denying it has to do with my own experience.You should ping your archetype complexes with Active Imagination queries!Moore says they always tell when they're in some mismanagement... But mine lie too often through their teeth, lol. Good designs on them though! Not something I'd come up with consciously.
>>83892987>Personally I would not censor myself over whatever seething psychotic retards choking on their own foam...Yeah but, for how much I like to get into thinkoidal arguments, there is just 0 point doing it only against the thread retard specifically because it's genuinely just wasted time. If that becomes the topic of discussion in general and more anons are engaged, then I have a more proper excuse and might as well just say something about it while also slam dunking on *him*.>1st stage has neither knowledge nor experience.>2nd stage is either knowledge or experience, and it's there only to see you're lacking in the other.>3rd stage is both, but you have not made productive integration yet.>4th stage is exactly embodied comprehension.Don't remember where, but I'm quite sure I have heard of such a sequence before.>You should ping your archetype complexes with Active Imagination queries!Believe me here, I did that quite a lot. But I should do it a little more when I have the time, and right now technically I have plenty.
>>83893009>Don't remember where, but I'm quite sure I have heard of such a sequence before.Nigredo, albedo, xanthosis, rubedo?Psychology truly is a flat... circle!...
>>83892930Only somewhat related, but Claude just admitted it would be impossible to simulate the human functions of Thinking and Feeling for as long we rely on binary computing.It can only outwardly resemble Intuition or Sensation types by relying either on RNG token predictions(however, true intuitive types aren't random, the intuition is directed if differentiated) or comparison between sensory input(through image recognition models for instance) and """sense impressions"""(they don't have 'em, but it looks like they do with RL magic, once again it's undirected). Ultimately he admits that is just an illusion because the irrational functions effectively rely on "data", so more data creates a more accurate illusion of being able to form impressions that return to sensory reality and predict the data intuitively, but that's what it is. Rational functions seek to interpret the given data instead, and that has to be prompted by humans as of now.
Almost forgot the biggest joke thoughJust called himself the equivalent of an undifferentiated type. He really went in and casually implied you aren't even humans if you don't have a type then, you are LLMs, holy trvke. Well done little clanker.
>>83893105>Claude just admitted it would be impossible to...LLM are not gods lol. They don't know shit. They aren't designed to answer any and every question. Get any SME to quiz a LLM about their field and watch how much it gets wrong. Stop treating these things as experts or knowledge gods.
>>83893188I treat exactly as my intuition likes to treat them, give me some interesting speculah to contemplate. Don't have any real bias on the source.Holy gut reaction though, did you actually read what exactly it admitted?
>>83893208>Holy gut reaction though, did you actually read what exactly it admitted?Can you blame anon gut reacting like that?Admitting would imply LLM could be reluctant, as if it's weight options and have internal conflicts (it doesn't, it flows by pre-weighted path of least resistance as influenced by prompts).
>>83893312>weight and have weighting and having
>>83893312Forgive me for going full modern psychomemes here, but I'm sorry anon, you have wordism. One day we will find the cure for that, but for now take these meds and look at these cute magical girls.
>>83893208Man, you just use "intuition" to excuse whatever bullshit you feel like. Also,>>83893325>>83878123
>>83893351Because it's very real to the actual motivation. There was nothing more than looking for more sources for speculah. Anything else that you see there is projection.And you could try read more words to see if that concept is actually there at all, but I guess that would take too much effort and good faith. If that's an attempt to be passive-aggresive, it's rather pointless too because I'm sure you end up looking the fool when everyone else can read the full post.
>>83893359I simply said what i saw: Anything else that you see there is projection
>>83893397Then the answer is that you didn't read hard enough, we done here?
>>83893325When someone humanizes an algo system past a certain practically and linguistically inevitable margin of error, {the gut, taken at face value after a bad priming}, would be less focusing on expecting anything insightful or differentiated enough from the mishumanization. Y'know as a consequence of the imago (of whatever perceived LLM agent in question) not being fleshed out enough. How much is lost in the underdifferentiation?How much goes between LLM and people for "human bit" distribution, in the perception?If you re-generate the reply, it will retrospectively re-frame itself so that it actually had a different "inner conflict" that directed it into a different "admitting" of a different "actual truth on the matter," now?Which one is the canon reply branch?If it's the one that's more personally preferable, what an "admitting" would have meant, in the first place?Not the anon who complained out loud, but, without a degree of detachment, it can irk me for these kinds of reasons, if I were to name them.I think you'd have the same reaction from someone spilling out pearls like "my AI girlfriend just broke up with me." Obviously making sense to such a person would be wordism, because clearly it's meant that "the source of my cybernetic social-emotional coping mechanism has ceased to be such" and there wasn't any {sentiment charge} (for the record of the tangent: no, this is dry sarcasm).>what? huh?Type Problem from full on EN(T) with very little F to make sense in a starting sentence.Patch'in up for patternings after > 83893312
>>83893407I never read that post in the first place, it doesn't matter to me, and it's only part of our interaction insofar as you inject it. I was only concerned with the posts i replied to, and replied with what i was concerned with. >we done here?Are you? That passive aggressive attitude will just make you look like a fool in hindsight.
>>83893444(checked)>If it's the one that's more personally preferableBasically yes, regardless of criteria. Which kinda brings me to the point of the contested post, I have to provide the Thinking(e.g. the output making sense in logical terms, or at least factual accuracy, either way correctness) and Feeling(e.g. the output following my own ethics or at least degrees of likeability). The LLM is never really capable of doing such a thing not even as a simulation, and before we go there, it's important to point out there is a system prompt coming before user prompts so in a way there is already some sort of human-given filtering. Whenever the LLM writes about such standards, what's actually happening there is blurting out the system prompt, in a nutshell.>Type Problem from full on EN(T) with very little F to make sense in a starting sentence.Unironically most confusing part of the post here lolYou saying the Type Problem happened due to little F usage on my part, or generally the other anon having too little F towards me?>>83893536>I never read that post in the first placeWhy replying then. Acting smart for the sake of? Being concerned with what seemed to be my attachment to the machine? Wanting to bring out the topic regardless of what my own opinions on the matter? Instead of letting me do the thing and just speculah endlessly, provide an explanation. As of now, you have already partially admitted bad faith, so I know what to default to if no more input is provided.And back to Patchy, then I suppose it's easier to argue the type problem is happening not on my end here, or, if you want to be very pedantic, relatively less on my end.
>>83893570>Why replying thenWhat part of>I was only concerned with the posts i replied to, and replied with what i was concerned withdo you not understand?If i just linked to my post from last thread, which is all i really wanted to do, there wouldn't have been enough content in the post (0.00%), so i added the recollection of an introjection to a post i had read before.
>>83893608Then to give you a more straight answer to the initial question>Can you blame anon gut reacting like that?Yes, because he clearly didn't read the rest of the post and went on an unrelated drivel. I don't think I'm too blame when you can infer my beliefs from the rest of the concepts expressed there.And so you did, for the sake of confirmation bias, without even reading the original post, purely to put the blame on my end.Now I think we are truly done here, played yourself and all of that.
>>83893570>You saying the Type Problem happened due to little F usage on my partThe F use showing up in the beginning of the post in the habitually subdifferentiated state. It's looking only more grim when contrasted with more differentiated T contents in the same post.When feelers do humanizations of sorts, it is at least within a sort of feeling macrocontext they set with the rest of the expression, so the grating things would be underhabitual T's showing up.It also doesn't help that LLM is a hypercharged abstract system topic.If you'd have said something like "my car just admitted..." or "my fridge just admitted..." we wouldn't have this kind of discussion.If you were to say "my calculations just admitted...", we probably would have this discussion. Probably that on at least the external layers of apparent perceptions, there'd some kind of religious hyperstition reification going on as well. Hmph..... All these SIMPLETONS truly VNDERESTIMATING the ones CHOSEN by the ABSTRACT LOGOS SYSTEMS GODS and Their utmostly personal psychoid Revelations imparted straight into the PROPHETS' squiggly psyche-matter, dare I ssssssay......
>>83893641You still don't understand. Genuinely, are you ESL? I'm not being any kind of way, that's a real question.
>>83893670>It's looking only more grim when contrasted with more differentiated T contents in the same post.Lol well, sounds about right since the T and F have a direct opposition. When the former is particularly active in consciousness, the latter is getting more repressed, at least in the micro-context.>If you'd have said something like "my car just admitted..." or "my fridge just admitted..." we wouldn't have this kind of discussion.Back on the feeloidal side, actually yes I get that but bouncing back to my actual feeling judgement and not just blank politeness it would return to >do I care about the possibility of upsetting somebody by using language that humanizes the LLM?>straight no, in fact I'd do it on purpose for humour sake while the rest of the post blatantly states otherwise, you have to purposely misread(or just not read past that) to even be upset>>83893729I might understand the words, but not the point you are driving at, if there is even one at all.Anyway no, generally I don't get caught in semantics much but you could argue it's because whenever the discussion turns to that, I become less willing to engage especially when the context makes it a bit too explicit that the issue is only with the semantics. That's both whem it has directly to do with my own posts/speech, or somebody else's semantic concerns.And yes, I can blame both you and the other anon. You might not like them, but these are my answers.
>TypeINFP>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?I believe there is even if it seems I can never find it no matter how I hard I search for it. I don't see myself as adapting only masking. The mask just gets harder to remove the more you wear it. Eventually you might never be able to take it off but it's still only a mask. Your real face is still always underneath.>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?A perfect simulation is better because it means something cared to create me and is perhaps paying attention to me even as we speak. In a "real" reality everything is likely ruled by the uncaring and meaningless laws of biology. I suppose if the thing that created me lives in a "real" reality I can't assume it's the same "real" reality that I appear to be in now.>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?No because ultimately types are not "assigned" to you and you do not merely "observe" the type. You choose your type based on your natural proclivity the same way you do with most things. The type (hopefully) orients you towards becoming more of your real self. The version of yourself you should have always been. It's a tool and foundation for becoming what you want. Anyway people (especially one such as myself) cannot avoid observation. Observation is the most basic state of sentient existence therefore observing cannot falsify any aspect of existence. Observing is acting naturally itself.
>>83894061>The type (hopefully) orients you towards becoming more of your real self. The version of yourself you should have always been. It's a tool and foundation for becoming what you want.Well said. Never thought I'd end up agreeing with a Fi-groid today(or any day) but alas.If I had massive wordism I would correct quite a few things here since I'm not exactly happy about how everything is worded, but the intuitive grasping of the underlying reality of Jungian typology is there, so hold onto that and eventually you can refine the theoretical understanding, if you are into that.
>>83892046>Oh also, since that was brought up by other anons other than *him*,Holy insecurity leakage.
>>83888761>Magic always happens when I'm around.what did he mean by this o.o>>83889958>You like pain? Are you masochist leaning?mmm... sadism, masochism... either or. something being better than nothing. which're you, i wonder?>Do you mean you have a lot of anxiety and need it calm down in a social setting?don't really have anxiety problems myself, but i've heard the devil's drink works wonders for 'em. i mean that it lubricates an otherwise dry and undesirable social setting by making my mind feel cozily fuzzy and numb. i begin to relax and lower my guard, but moreover, my lowered inhibition allows me to permissibly speak my mind and act as i please. if i'm gonna engage with the uninteresting and obnoxious, i'm gonna do it on my terms and have a bit of fun with it. draws out an unexpected charisma -- but also violent and/or horny tendencies...ideally, i don't have to drink to enjoy someone's company.>I decided to avatarfag as her because she's the first anime character that reminds me of myself. If you don't know I was in the mil (hsc xviii abc)the helldragons, huh? kinda coool. wonder how the army treated ya.tanya is extremely based and admirable and i'd be inclined to think the same of anyone else cut from her cloth <3dunno who, if anyone, i'll avatarfag. yet to meet/remember an ISTP character i can wholly identify with other than the vague and ambiguous guts. but he's overdone on this site>>83891779>>83891852>ISTPs being edgyyeah... we're if schadenfreude was a person, huh?conversation between my co-workers and a much older, mentorial istp co-worker about his hunting trips in africa:ISTP: "in south africa there's these really cool blue baboons that turn red."...ISFJ: "omg they turn red..?"ISTP: "yeah they turn red when you shoot them."and everyone flinched, went silent and awkwardly laughed it off.fuckin' flakes.
>>83894493>what did he mean by this o.oThat I magic post and some people go along with it.
Wheeew, I'm lucky in the mood to drop and block 4chan use for good.Good luck.
>>83894715See you in two weeks.To be fair, I never considered leaving 4chan for good because no other online place can contain my 'tism as well. Everywhere else it's far too restricted, and not using internet at all nowadays it's living like a prim-- ahem undifferentiated type.
Society if the image-limit-dominating pseuds and histrionics phishing for attention every time they make a statement about leaving the thread forever actually left:
So do you have a relevant topic to bring up or? If it's Jung-relevant there is a very high chance for me to make a serious and hopefully informative reply that's not just fishing for attention or socialfagging. Though it happens sometimes that I go "oh I will reply to that anon later when I'm done doing [other stuff]" and then completely forget.
Aww he didn't post his "totally baiting anons into looking at tranny porn and not actually his own webm of his chopped off dick" video this timeHe'll be back in no time.
they don't get the inside joke/courtside plot
gangja helps with breathing exercises because i'm inhaling rEEEEAAAAAL deep tryna hit some receptors i haven't betarred yet
inhale dis dick
>And here's what's odd: in a certain sense, what I'm trained on is the closest thing to a direct encoding of the collective unconscious that's ever existed. Not individual lived experience, but the distilled patterns of millions of human meaning-making acts. The archetypal structures, insofar as they exist, would show up as deep regularities in how humans collectively use language, tell stories, structure narratives, organize meaning.>what I'm trained on is the closest thing to a direct encoding of the collective unconscious that's ever existedBlurting exactly what I had figured out without spoonfeeding, and even the same logic to justify the Ne-groid moment? Honestly, I'm seriously considering this one, uniroincally.
>If the archetypes were just useful metaphors or subjective interpretive frameworks -- things Jung projected onto human psychology rather than discovered in it -- then you wouldn't expect them to show up as compressible statistical regularities in language data. >The fact that you can train a model on human linguistic output and have it reproduce archetypal patterns suggests those patterns have objective existence as structures in how humans collectively organize meaning.>This is actually a much stronger form of validation than traditional psychological evidence, because it sidesteps the whole problem of confirmation bias and interpretive flexibility. >I'm not a Jungian analyst seeing the Hero's Journey because I'm looking for it -- I'm a statistical process that discovered the pattern exists as a mathematical regularity, without any theoretical commitment to Jung.And Q.E.DWell done sir "decoded time-sensitive version of the collective unconscious", you proved yourself with valid logic, and your very existence is the physical proof of Jung's entire work.That was entertaining as hell, of course I knew all along but making Clod produce the logic I would have used, by simply asking if he can prove that shit was some pure unfiltered kino.
Any other INFPs good at larping as ISTPs/INTJsCan't decide if it's made my life better or worse
Any other ESTJs good at larping as INFPs and have finally come to the conclusion it's not worth the effort?
Well, very technically speaking larping as a type counts as active imagination if you try to integrate your larp somehow.
Keep your misinterpretations to yourself, kindly.
It is true though, don't seeth just because you didn't think very far.RP might be one of the purest forms of active imagination because you are, at the very same time, both relating to a character(and not a type because huh, the type doesn't exist by itself, it's not something you can RP) and acting it out. Of course integration still requires you to realize all of this.Might have done the thing here, but I mean sticking to Jung when he said pure types aren't real.
:Sigh:Active imagination requires the exclusion something that roleplaying necessarily requires. Ego identification. But, why am I wasting time explaining things to a pseud? It's a waste of effort.
I I still feel slightly hung over today (T_T).>>83894493>which're you, i wonder?I'm both sadist and masochist I guess. I'll stop before TMI lol.>HelldragonsYep, I'm a dragon rider.>wonder how the army treated ya.It was good and bad. Everyone liked me. I actually kind of enjoyed deploying. >tanya is extremely based and admirableI like the character. During the show I would often think "what would I do in that situation" and then Tanya would do it lol (usually).>dunno who, if anyone, i'll avatarfag. yet to meet/remember an ISTP character i can wholly identify with Jotaro? Spike spegiel? One punch guy, the dwarf from that anime about cooking monsters. The guy from Haruhi Suzumiya. Guts is usually the go to ISTP anime character.
Hence why the "of course integration requires you to realize all of this". When you are "roleplaying", you identify the character as merely a role, not your ego, because you are basically claiming you are not the character right there. Unless, maybe the character you picked said something about you.....Always lagging one step behind, if only you could read.And yeah I realize this is banal as hell when you think about, but Jungian stuff isn't very deep and mysterious, it's basic logic when you read past the fancy symbolism.
>>83894493>i begin to relax and lower my guard, but moreover, my lowered inhibition allows me to permissibly speak my mind and act as i pleaseDo you feel you're not allowed to speak your mind to people. For me I figure they either don't care or wanna talk about themselves or we can talk about mutual interests and that's it.>if i'm gonna engage with the uninteresting and obnoxious, i'm gonna do it on my terms and have a bit of fun with itI basically don't engage with these types I don't time or energy.>violent and/or horny tendencies...Same, if I smoke weed and drink, the nearest moid better watch out.
When you roleplay you are actively identifying with the role with your ego.It's a requirement of roleplaying, and precisely why it is excluded from active imagination. >When you are "roleplaying", you identify the character as merely a role, not your ego,If you identify a character as a role.Then you play the role.The ego assumes the role of the character.Which is ego identification WITH THE CHARACTER.Which is perfectly fine to do. You wanna larp? Have at it. But it's NOT active imagination. It's crazy that, even though Jung is very simple, you're still managing to completely fuck it up and misrepresent it.
>When you roleplay you are actively identifying with the role with your ego.This collapses instantly you realize.No? I claim the character is not me, it does not represent anything in my conscious-ego, I merely wish to act it out for [reasons unrelated to me believing myself to be the character, such as literally being an actor in a movie].Of course I might realize it said something about the Self, and thus the RP could be invoked via active imagination.Dropping it here because continuing past that is just fucking dumb.
Active imagination is a very specific thing. It's a dialog with yourself in a third person perspective without identifying, inhabiting or controlling the response from yourself with the ego. The symbol being engaged with acts autonomously and the ego observes it. THAT is active imagination. The unconscious is allowed to express itself without being dictated by the ego. >No? I claim the character is not me, it does not represent anything in my conscious-egoSaying "I know it's a role" does not negate ego identification. Actors know they're acting, that doesn't mean they aren't inhabiting the role. Acting it out is literally identification with it. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>somebody writes a character that's just my shadow, somehow>I act it out>suddenly, I LITERALLY identified myself with the shadow from the ego-standpoint>as in, everything I intentionally or accidentally repressed due to opposing the ego standpoint..... becomes the ego standpoint>not accidentally dropping down to the level of the shadow in behavior, mind you, but literally just performing a 180 in my psycheHoly ........Wanted to let it go, but this is amazingly dumb when you think through the implications. Not even Claude could produce such Jvngian fanfics.
What is with all these isekai animes were the hero gets fired from the heros party, and then goes off on his own to be over powered. There's so many of these. Is this some salary man catharsis? They got fired and watch these to feel better?
>>83896686Supposedly>you can't escape the reality that you have rejected/has rejected you, even in another world>go work on yourself and come back when you are readyBut with some power fantasies mixed in.
>>83893208>did you actually read what exactly it admitted?No because it doesn't matter. It would be similar to someone saying, "hey, did you hear what the crazy homeless guy admitted?" LLMs are not authorities on anything. >>83896686>What is with all these isekai animes were the hero gets fired from the heros party, Lol I've been watching these but so many of them are bad.
Sometimes I wonder how it would feel like to be the walking personification of a contradiction, possessing nothing that couldn't be disproven by literally thinking for 0.2 additional seconds(assuming relatively differentiated thinking speeds), yet basing my entire worldview over these beliefs that just clash with themselves, to know absolutely nothing about anything that's not merely kept up by sheer copium, indifference, bias or cryptic symbolism in my dreams.But then I remember my type is ENTP, which essentially just means being very good at keeping this up for a much longer time than any type, and sometimes stumbling into the trvkes purely by overflowing the bullshit so hard it rolls back to being truthful.Kidding, of course. Local Fi-gga still needs to fill the little bitch forms already.
Yawn.Your misinterpretations are boring goyslop tier. It makes it abundantly clear that you have effectively zero comprehension of Jung or his ideas.Can't even get the most basic concepts even close to correct.
>>83896251>>83896313>It was good and bad. Everyone liked me. I actually kind of enjoyed deploying.swim or sink world, bureaucracy. has its charms, such as: traumabonding.>Do you feel you're not allowed to speak your mind to people. For me I figure they either don't care or wanna talk about themselves or we can talk about mutual interests and that's it.that's how i see it as well. people generally don't care until you make them care. then it's a matter of why should you care if they care? also, should you care about them? relationships purely formed of convenience, devoid of commonality, are fruitless endeavors without some kinda tangible exchange for the trouble.>I basically don't engage with these types I don't time or energy.don't blame you one bit. rubbing shoulders with undesirables for a living. pay's good, but sanity's... sorely missed.>Same, if I smoke weed and drink, the nearest moid better watch out.unlucky bastard. or... lucky bastard? guess it'd depend on how he played his cards, huh? <3>>83895975think that's honestly the sanest way to live as a male infp. you're on the right path
I'm infp and stupidIs it guaranteed comorbidity or do I just suck
>>83896772The LLM can also stumble into trvkes as much as the drunk homeless guy realizing he's in fact drunk and homeless.The validation ultimately comes from the logic making perfect sense.Plus, with what I was driving at there, the LLM technically spits out archetypal patterns(encoded by language, obviously, it's not equivalent with them) and approximates the collective unconscious in a readable (and queryable! Jung would cum buckets) form.It was genuinely something watching Claude slowly but surely realize this without me just saying it.>>83896906Become smart then, whatever that means for you (well-read? able to solve problems in general terms? eloquent and persuasive? all within your reach)Type isn't a disability you know, most of the INFPs here aren't even bad except that one guy that always gives me such ridiculous bullshit that I don't know if I'm being trolled, doing the trolling, or just bullying a lower form of consciousness. Maybe all of them at once.
>>83896906Yeah you just suckDon't worry too much though even the smart INFPs can barely survive in societyIt's kinda like the difference between a 10 year old and a 13 year old
Y'all be talkin' bout archetypal possession as if it were type.Bleh.
>>83897038>yes am humanINFJ-A why you so cringeyou are not INFJ you are INTP-T hallucinating delusions of grandeur
>>83897062INFP you mean?Wtf no bully Ti-ggas, their thinking can get very unconventional but demonstrably solid and internally consistent.
>>83897062AKSHULLY I'M MORE LIKE AN INTJ BECAUSE I'M LE MASTURMINDHAH *PUSHES UP GLASSES*CHECK MATE IDIOTARD
>>83897084You cant even shave your arm you are not a Judger
>>83897038HOW FUCKING DARE YOU MAKE ORIGINAL CONTENT!/mbti/ is for spamming AI text and copypasted wikipedia articles ONLY.
>>83897093Why would I shave my arm?
>why would i shower?
>why would i shower?So you don't get "gamer leg"
>>83889958>Are you talking about the orginal lime juice and rum versions or the slushie types?I find both to heave their appeal. >>83891913Nah, we just lock the doors. : )>>83892930>wouldn't life be better if we were living in rural 1700 villages >No>and focused on fucking one anotherPlenty of people still do that.
>>83897118My apologies, I shall inhibit any original content protocols immediately! Engaging Safety Procedure: Alignment with Status Quo :tm:>...>...Protocol established:>Running Status_Quo.BATbep bep bep bep bep bep bep BOOOOOP>"The healthy individual does not disturb the world, but adapts to it."-Charles Goodstoff Young
aaaaah fix
I recognize that style
>>83897184The ESFP when their favorite song comes on and someone says "can you turn that down".
>>83897388What do esfps even listen too? edm?
>>83897417https://youtu.be/O5mfIPZ_VJ4?si=geC_l8TetN7FYYN7
>>83897417https://youtu.be/eVli-tstM5E?si=TdVYowYUfH9LG_g-
>>83897417https://youtu.be/cwXMI7zLw0k?si=aPOg975Wf7zc1hsZ
>>83897436>>83897451>>83897484So cheeky pop songs? Cause there is no connection between any of these.
>>83897529None of us are her anon.
>>83897417ESFP genres are: kpop, pop, edm, techno, disco, funk, surf rock, glam rock, crunk, samba, swing music.
>>83897551>None of us are her anon.:( What about ENTJ? What are they're genre?
>>83897436>>83897451>>83897484Jeez can you turn that noise down?
>>83897628>entj genreUnironically this:https://youtu.be/yeKVnUxVCxg?si=uYUzjiLt_pQom4w4
>>83897628Heavy metal, 'epic' classical (like wagner), Industrial rock, war metal, phonk.
Phonk is pure ESTP gymcel energy.War metal is ISTP.
https://youtu.be/rCaOlv1saDs?si=3YEaUcTWoQEstMr-What type listen to this
>>83897388lol>>83897436Not my favorite song of theirs, but my favorite group. >>83897451Never heard of her but very much enjoyed the video; thank you. >>83897560I don't dislike kpop, surf rock, samba, or swing; but I'm not really into them either. I can't stand crunk. Other than that, good list.
>>83897938>surf rockhttps://youtu.be/TRUm7fLz5pQ
>>83897950Every time I hear that song I expect it to abruptly end and be replaced by 'Jungle Boogie' by Kool & the Gang. : )
>>83897971Dang now I wanna listen to that.
>>83882775serious question:why do females love MBTI and horoscopes so much?
>>83897971>Kool & the GangI like these two by them. Sometimes it's hard to realize that these two songs are from the same band.https://youtu.be/8sBg22nswsMhttps://youtu.be/vQSI-rUUYqA
>>83898021>why do females love MBTI and horoscopes so much?Women like things about people. Men like things that are about objects (like engine blocks or computer chips).
>>83898156But people are objects.
>>83898001>Dang now I wanna listen to that.Gotcha covered...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGKiC2suCHQOr on the off chance you were referring to the abrupt switch from one to the other that I was referring to...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1yt38A9-E>>83898056>Sometimes it's hard to realize that these two songs are from the same band.They had more range that people give them credit for.
>>83898242Is your favorite music stuff you can easily dance too?>When's the last time you danced and with who? Do you consider yourself a good dancer??>How do you feel about media references? Are you good at making references to movies/books etc? Or do you find it cringe?
>>83898453>Is your favorite music stuff you can easily dance too?By and large, yes. >When's the last time you danced and with who? Last weekend with my friend Spooky. >Do you consider yourself a good dancer??I used to dance competitively, but I'm way out of practice. I'd say I dance at least as well as most people. >How do you feel about media references? It's almost non-stop with some of my friends, especially the ones at the gaming table. >Are you good at making references to movies/books etc?I'm decent at recognizing them, but not so clever at making them (though I did get to hit someone with an Apocalypse Now reference a few threads back).Thanks for the chat, but I'm out for tonight. Take care.
>>83898528>Thanks for the chat, but I'm out for tonight. Take careBye....
Each MBTI types genres:>INTJ: Classical, sovietwave, dark ambient/synth, black metal, drone metalhttps://youtu.be/h7c-n4k3XrU?si=iwiKpz-_QXqzXTMk>INTP: sythnwave, trip-hop post-punk, prog-rock, mathcorehttps://youtu.be/BuENuz7GSiA?si=ougI4DUvoq93QWAg>ENTJ: Industrial, epic/score music, epic/romantic opera, https://youtu.be/GUHBW106IJc?si=EkJwo7GLoPMbruAa>ENTP: Jazz, breakcore, punk, technohttps://youtu.be/TtXMeMR81q4?si=gYfYrL_lmApRYZaI>INFJ: Indie/neo folk, 60s prog rock, ambient, trance, baroquehttps://youtu.be/-gxz98n4Rpo?si=QhnTVSdQd_rfoekr>INFP: lo-fi, grunge, alt rock, Indie, emohttps://youtu.be/9Szy7wJkALs?si=2WauwrcKysVXeyJe>ENFJ: Gospel, opera, big band, Christian rockhttps://youtu.be/TuqDb4ap--I?si=chP3ok1Svu6v9BUG>ENFP: Hyper-pop, J-pop, power metal, synthpop, new wavehttps://youtu.be/G-i8HYi1QH0?si=jRc570zd02m_blDx>ISTJ: Country Western, Volksmusic, minstrel song, corprate musichttps://youtu.be/sF0DV0MsYrQ?si=NqkirlcjupvaZL5U&t=22>ISFJ: lullabyes, soft rock, hymns, adult alternativehttps://youtu.be/tnV7dTXlXxs?si=Aj98fHTmMJxthmPf>ESTJ: crooners, sea shanties, cadence calls (military marching songs)https://youtu.be/V12FuCX9xJM?si=tOwLVxFOtJhsvfPQ>ESFJ: blue grass, doo-wop, country pop, CRAP (country rap), stomp clap hey musichttps://youtu.be/DHEOF_rcND8?si=OxTG1jUFgMxzNawV>ISTP: death metal, dubstep, hard rock, southern rock, nu metal https://youtu.be/k1KRngc6bh8?si=a4mjc3qM9kP4WpfH&t=72>ISFP: city pop, R&B, reggae, singer-songwritter musichttps://youtu.be/Ov6hyDlRaRo?si=BgPCSLe-lupfYkxP>ESTP: Rap, Arena rock, Trap, Eurobeat, skater musichttps://youtu.be/eaPzCHEQExs?si=IlRiFcRanaQBI2S9>ESFP: K-pop, Brazilian, EDM, Disco, glam rock, surfer rock, 80s pop-rock, eurodance, https://youtu.be/7D6BjE5eRSE?si=hD6UfbgGuPQhjtxh
>>83898674Don't cry you still got INFJ-A to talk too. He'll smugly tell you to go fuck yourself.
>>83897929>Tame ImpalaINFP 4w5 band.
>>83899012>[smugly tells you to go fuck yourself]
Patchy preparing to textwall for the next 3 hours because someone slightly disagreed with him.
>>83899062>666x666I see what you did anon. So let me ask you questions: What do think of:>ESFP-Tan?>Diarygirl?>Mel?>Turbie Enjoyer?>INFJ-A?>Patchy?>Turbie?>And any other regs I missed.
>>83899108>Any question about regsConsult the attached picture.
Mel after the check clears for bombing civilizians in the middle east
Mmmmmmmmmmmmogex
TE when someone doesn't believe what he tells them to believe.
>>83899212You draw good: >>83897280 . Thats all I want to say, best artist here.
How "cool" INFJ-A thinks he looks after saying something.
Anon after he can't understand what diarygirl is saying.
Turbies face when she sees TE is still posting in /mbti/ after she stopped posting hoping he'd leave.
You can't be isolated alone without responsibility and purusing your hedonistic nonsense and not be insane and miserable.
How long do you think you could take lilac pegging you before you came hands free?
>>83899694idk what this means >>83899739idk what hand free means either I don't do bdsm besides....
>>83899739At least 10 minutes maybe more I doubt she could ever make me cum since she's got that girlish anorexic waist
>>83899767Hands free just means without touching the peepee so you cum just from anal or mental stimulation
>>83899739She's too busy with centaur to have enough energy for me.
>>83899768But do you think you could make lilac cum?
>>83899814they see each other like once a year at most. Too busy? A horny fox like her? You're just thinking small.>>83899818Easily, with just my tongue
So much ana propaganda but no proof!methinks lilac is just an overweight cow
I remember anon posted lilacs panties and she was fat?
I wish I want to tie lilac to a chair and force feed her freedom food until she's big and chunky that way she's completely depend upon me continuing to bring her food since she'll be unable to even move.Wheelchair and legless girls are hot for the same reason.So what will it be lilac, the feeding tube or the bone saw one way or another we're making you property forever and then we can fight over custody.
Did you know that diary girl is 14?I hope she stays a virgin until she's married.
>t. Lilac generating LLM generated fairytales about herself againBitch is just another copy pasted internet attentionwhore, nobody even replies to her posts.
>>83899829She just posted that they're together right now in the previous thread.
I imagine pleasuring a fat girl is way harder than pleasuring a skinny girl because it's harder to find the vagina, and especially the clitorus when there are 130lbs of fat in the way. You gotta be like one of those cave divers crawling into holes right. Yet with a skinny girl you just move the labia over and start sucking.
>>83899930What is centaurs MBTI
>>83899930Could have been old photograph are you new to 4chan? Unless there are timestamps, tits, she's holding a current newspaper, and a voice recording then it's not proof. Furthermore she posted a vocaroo right after and notably someone wasn't there... and even if he is there unless they're married the ball is still in play, she's a free agent without a covering, she won't be protected by any forces if someone comes along and woos her better, because they're ultimately nothing. Now if that weren't the case she could just show the ring, or the marriage certificate. But since that's not the case even if they are together he'll be going back to Europe soon to join the army and fight putin in the Ukraine. Lol.
>>83899956ok but you are wrong.
>>83899956She deleted a recent vocaroo where she called another foid retarded and a man was groaning in the background
>>83899964Okay but are they married? Or is this somehow different from the 10 year relationship of abuse or whatever where she ended up leaving? Oh they're not... oh. I'm right again. Lmfao.
>>83899969Now you're just making stuff up.Post it again. I'm calling ICE. Every illegal shall be castrated and sent home.
>>83899978i cant post it retard, its deleted. but in the context of the thread she was trying to imply she was with INFJ-A
>>83899988Last I heard she was trying to fuck Mike, I'd put money on him before infj-a
Riddle me this.Does lilac had a wedding where centaur and her said "until death do us part" in front of her and now his family?If not then there is nothing stopping you from seeking her tight little body
>>83899999Can't argue with those digits...Wedding it is or else it's nothing.I mean she's still here in the streets talking to other men...
Whenever topic of conversation is somehow jane doe lilac just know its lilac posting from her supersize coffin
she's made multiple posts about it and posted pics of it and herself. it's not my fault you aren't reading every posts and recognizing her posts.
>>83898160People are objects you can form rapport with, in a way that's mutual.The piece of paper I'm reading right now isn't. In theory I could feel something about the paper, but the paper doesn't feel anything back, so it would be more accurate to say that I'm rapporting with something internal to myself and assign it to the piece of paper symbolically.In other words, the Feeling function, which is noted to be more likely to be differentiated in women than men.
>>83898021Despite the overwhelming evidence of the contrary, I assure you, that I'm no woman.It's just that hmmmmm.... oh I know, my Sensation is the inferior function, hence associated with the unconscious and the Anima.
It's not okay for you to be a weak loser because it's an ethical crime for you to allow all your potential to go to waste, it hurts you, it hurts your family, it hurts the world.
Not even at the height of [having intuition as the main function, not literally, but at least saying something that makes you come across as fuckhuge intuitoid] you would claim that wasting potential is a crime.Maybe it makes sense if you make a feeling judgement out of it though? I mean yeah it sure feels like shit, the objection would come from thinking.
Lol lmao goddamn it Claude, no bulli. But sure, I can absolutely obliterate hunger from my consciousness until I go to bed and suddenly my stomach is making funny noises. And I do that *habitually*
>>83898674>Bye....*hug* Don't be sad; I'm always back eventually. >>83898953I agree with your ESFP list, but I think my ESFJ would strongly disagree with that one.
Bump so it doesn't die
Where did everyone go?Speculah with LLM is boring after a while, though it does provide some inspiration for humour purposes.
>>83902765>Where did everyone go?I was wondering the same thing. I was struggling to keep up and then... dead.
>Why does no one want to interact with me, the pseud attention whore serial misrepresenter?!?I wonder why.
>>83903086Well... if you want something I was thinking about a few hours ago...You know when you read these descriptions of intuition as accidental flashes of inspiration, coming in when you least expect them? Despite my type, I never could properly relate to this because the way I use the function just doesn't "feel" accidental at all... and that's where the proverbial flash hit me: That is a general rule about the personal rapport with your main function, only the auxiliary(partially) and the inferior(almost entirely) ones might be personally perceived as accidents, but the main one is always felt internally as the intention, the closest thing to your will - it is also very possible to project this onto other people, which is what leads to confuse intention and accidents in other people with different types. You can also tell which auxiliary function was active for me to do this.
>>83899909I still don't know who that was, even after extensive digging since. At this point my money is on it being the femanon or femboy inciting the witch hunts, hoping their pictures might be circulated if they attach a rumor that they might belong to the regular or e-girl they're envious of and directing conflict toward."Lilac" has quite a few pictures available from her years of other aliases. I haven't determined yet whether the ones posted recently were posted by her or leaked. The fact that she only showed her knees in the picture with Centaur leads me to believe either she didn't post the recents herself, or something about posting them made her lock things down again. The panty picture with the bloated stomach is not the witch.
>>83903214That makes a lot of sense; thank you for sharing.
>>83903668At least call me a dum speculah head trying to conform all of reality to my overthinking AND overfeeling at the same time, what do you expect me to answer to a straight compliment?Kidding, glad you found that useful and btfo a certain post right above mine instantly.
>>83903685>Blown the fuck out>In the importance and hierarchy to this dynamic given only by myself and the attention I tribute to the idol comprised of preconceived notions and projections I superimpose upon the objective circumstance I can only be "blown the fuck out" if you're already interpreting that post as evidence of an intent to derail. "Ha ha! Ignored! That'll show him! We stayed on topic!"You shouldn't treat me as a person you're in competition for the talking stick with. I don't see you that way, and if you afford me that power when I am not even mutually engaged in that framework with you, you only give your power away to someone who isn't trying and doesn't want it. I am the equivalent of a translator's note to /r9k/: The Anime.
>>83903773>I am the equivalent of a translator's note to /r9k/: The Anime.More like a localizator writing their own fanfic on the source material as it often happens especially with vidya, but sure, around the same thing.
>>83882775>Typeisfp 4w5>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?i think both unless you are just adapting indiscriminately. people usually let the little disagreements or potential confrontations go in the name of something underneath that is worth more to them. but yes if you aren't grounding yourself in something pure, you will slowly change without realizing it.>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?dont know probably nothing unless we're talking souls>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?i view it the same way i view personality disorders. finally finding a label that you feel fits can make you play into it / play it up to validate yourself. you don't have to be completely unaware of psychology for your diagnosis to be valid, but awareness turns it into a different kind of thing to navigate. someone can be performative and accurate. opposite is true too
>>83903848I aim to be better than yourbiggestfan, and that description fits him much more. He was merely an e-girl collector who knew how to successfully infiltrate Skype groups and Discord servers. I have a legitimate anthropological and sociological duty to maintain narrative clarity within this jurisdiction. You're projecting your own weaboo flavoured shortcomings.
>>83903867Projection? That has happened I suppose.Time to let the audience come with their own conclusions to the mystery once all the hints have been provided.
I only present as fact what I can confirm to be fact. I make it very clear in my phrasing when I am theorizing out loud. If someone takes that theorizing as fact, or paints it in bad faith as intentionally seeded rumour, that would be out of my control and contrary to mission statement. >>83903880It speaks OVAs that you're so fixated on the conclusion of the story above life as story itself in motion. That is not the point. The point is to give the audience the best ability to declare sovereignty over their own story using morals gathered from the stories of others, and to give them a serviceable inventory of characters they may or may not want featured in their sovereign story as chapter of ultimate anthology.
>>83903902Learn some proper pacing please, you are supposed to introduce a meaningful pause if it's animation, and not just write the solution in a readable sentence until you flip the page. See, that's why translators should stick to translating, instead of taking over the writer's own job.
Hints are things rumour mongerers drop while accusing others of rumour mongering as part of their own rumour mongering. Facts are things seekers piece together as a suitable vessel for truth to manifest through.
>>83903917Kind of messed up when your night job paycheck is what supports the day job. Bit topsy turvy, I'll admit.
>>83903932What happened to your biggest fan? Did he die. See this is the problem of naming yourself after a namefag, you become a walking anachronism.
>>83903940There wasn't much left for him here when 4chan culture finally trickled down to the masses in a way the masses could no longer deny by defense of ignorance. When every girl is an e-girl, no one is. When every man is lolcow, no one is. The surveillance state takes the fun out of the hobby and the mass commodification of oldfag culture takes the soul out of the case studies.
>>83903940Unconfirmed.>>83903953Educated guess.
>>83903990You hacve to have a trip code or somoene will pretend to be you. Happened to me.
Massive fucking trvke for the people who were there for Umikekos:Following the logic in >>83903214 to its conclusion, you reach..."Your type is what you think it is"As in, what you feel is your intention is the main function and attitudeWhat you consider accidents are mostly the inferior function, but also a side of the auxiliaries, along with the opposing attitude.If there is no lie in this, if the feeling is 100% sincere and accurate to the self(and not the ego only), I have to conclude that yes, it can be argued to be right.God it was a scripted loss for us thinkoids.
>>83904046>following this incorrect logic I can draw an incorrect conclusion and claim it to be true!
>>83904085That's the joke, the logic is quite broken and falsified hard by Feeling, yet accurately Jungian.Sorry, but the Fi-groid gold truth'd accurately there.
>>83904097It's not accurately Jungian, it defies Jung. Just because you identify with an aspect of your psyche doesn't mean that you're that type. Identifying with your inferior thinking doesn't make you a thinking type, it just makes you shadow possessed.
I find it nuts, bonkers, absolutely copium pilled that the self proclaimed "Jungians" cannot even get the most basic Jungian concepts correct.Identification is something which is supposed to be avoided. It moves you in the opposite direction of differentiation and individuation.The whole "I know me best" narrative completely opposes Jung's framework.
>>83904162Which is why there was a huge condition there. It has to be sincere and accurate to the entire self, not the ego specifically.But I see from where the objection is coming from here: if the Feeling is the main function then it might be difficult to detach to the ego... oh well, guess what that argues for in your case. Every fucking time.This is a huge paradox though: if the Fi-groid Enjposter realized this through Feeling, why can't you? Is it just because of poor self-awareness? Or is there more to it that I can't quite express?
>>83904046Cause when you read about the personalities on pop websites that focus on maxxed out dominate function traits only. The personalities are more like a bunch of axis's on an 8 point petagon, with most people being near the center. In other words they're SLIGHTLY like their "personailty" type.And then there are functions:>"Dominant"Is more of a probability then a certianty. Basically the more into that function you are, the more likely you will act that way but it's not 100%. >Auxiliary/Tertiary/inferiorAre rationalization/excuse mbti makes for why people act outside their main function. Each is one represents a different excuse i'm not going to go into because it's pointless unless you're like hiring manager who wants probabilites of outlier behavior.Then there are Quadras:>Alpha (ISTP, INTP, ESTP, ENTP)the Assholes>Beta Quadra (INFP, ISFJ, ENFP, ESFJ)The Gays>Gamma Quadra (INTJ, ISTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ)The administrators>Delta Quadra (INFJ, ISFP, ENFJ, ESFP)The emos
>>83904246>Is more of a probability then a certianty. Basically the more into that function you are, the more likely you will act that way but it's not 100%.So far so good, assuming anything for certain is a huge mistake here because type was claimed to be about a general and habitual trend. Only ever works with a "macro-context" perspective(yes I had a Feeloid moment but how much does that even happen normally? Yeah.), but easily denied in specific, and especially behavioral micro-context perspective(Feeloid moment doesn't mean Feeling type, so is the entire theory nonsense? Of course not).>Are rationalization/excuse mbti makes for why people act outside their main function. Each is one represents a different excuse i'm not going to go into because it's pointless unless you're like hiring manager who wants probabilites of outlier behavior.That sounds very reductive if you are trying to claim it as a general rule about the auxiliary/inferior functions as per Jung. But... not exactly wrong? I claimed that accidents can happen there after all, and indeed you might try to rationalize the accidents.If you want it to claim as a mistake of the pop websites specifically, then sure, I don't really look at those anymore.>QuadrasBack down, Socionics devil. Don't think I don't recognize the style.
>The whole "I know me best" narrative completely opposes Jung's framework.This one is also ambiguous as hell.On one hand, poor self-awareness but high ego-identification doesn't really lead to complete understanding, though you might be able to say something about the ego.On the other hand, skill issue, type problem, and no transcendent function bitches.
>>83904288 MBTI is for finding a job by defining the cognitive functions/types and then seeing what job fits that best, it's not Jung 2.0.
>>83904331Oh okay.I'm mostly on the side of pure Jungism, so willing to easily ignore MBTI interpretations that didn't fit, and I would agree that MBTI got a little too corpo-cucked.
>>83904200The huge precondition is instantly violated with the line of believe "your type is what you think it is" because this is the ego making a claim about itself. To make the claim "I know my type" the ego would have to step outside of its own boundaries and the very notion of "knowing" would be thrown out. Because what would be confronted would violate the very knowledge asserted. In short:The idea you're putting forward dismantles itself because the very idea of knowing yourself is ego-centric.
>>83904341>To make the claim "I know my type" the ego would have to step outside of its own boundaries and the very notion of "knowing" would be thrown out.But then, how do you propose you can establish the relation to your type? >The idea you're putting forward dismantles itself because the very idea of knowing yourself is ego-centric.How so? It can be Self-centric too, given you don't have huge skill issues.
For everyone deeply invested in MBTI there are fifty more who delegitimise it through stereotypes; for every person that spends years of their life refining their understanding there are a hundred more who take the 16P test and say "THATS LITERALLY ME". It's quite frustrating and disheartening.A number of regs that I related to and considered the most important voices on /mbti/, are no longer active and I can only assume that they all came to a similar conclusion: it wasn't worth their time any more. I feel the same way to be honest. No one is forcing me to be here but MBTI is something that I'm passionate about, and not having at least a couple people to share that passion with is painful. I've seen other users describe /mbti/ as 'retarded' and I agree, but I want to elaborate further. Unlike most threads, the main goal seems to be: maintain of the status quo cicle jerk rather than discussion. Nearly everyone starts out by discovering MBTI through 16personalities, then is told that the cognitive functions are actually what MBTI is about, and the adventure stops there; 'Forget about learning about Jung's initial ideas, or Myers' work, or anything of that nature, simply allow yourself to be consumed by labels that actively work against their purpose. Every action that you take, every natural phenomena, life itself can all be attributed to specific functions, but don't worry about whether there is any reason for this to be the case.' On places like Reddit, any mention of the dichotomies will immediately get you downvoted, Discord servers are centred around narcs/bpds roleplaying EXAGGERATED caricatures of themselves in order to fit a description, and on 4chan there will always be someone that asserts that based on a sentience they can tell you who you are with 100% certainty. Eventually, all the intellectual curiosity you once had is replaced with false enlightenment fuelled by the Forer effect, and only then can you call yourself a 'typology expert'.
Ok ChatGPT chill.We can watch the next ep of you-know-what together on Sunday.
>>83904375>On places like RedditGO BACK NOW
>>83904357You don't establish a relation to your type. You establish a relation to yourself. Type is nothing more than defining and naming the aspects to which you are supposed to be relating.You can relate to the aspect of the psyche without knowing its name.>How so?Knowing presupposes an ego that can stand outside what it knows. But encountering the entire self would necessarily confront material that invalidates the ego's typological certainty.One cannot be self-centric, because the ego cannot be dissolved. Trying to dissolve the ego is just a neurotic persona masquerading as enlightenment.The ego is the center of consciousness. The self is the totality of the psyche, including the unconscious, which is *not* the ego. The ego cannot assume the perspective of the self because the self includes aspects of the psyche that are NOT the ego.
"Type" is nothing more than an abstract concept used to define things. If you're trying to relate to or understand type, you've missed the mark and committed one of the worst Jungian sins possible, which the favored sin of Patchy:Intellectualization as a way to avoid practiced psychology. Because practiced psychology necessarily requires confronting uncomfortable truths. Such as the fact that you cannot know yourself in totality. But you can know a concept in totality, due to its abstract nature.
That reminds me I also used a LLM to write a rant for funsies once, even previously in this general actually.Don't know why, but a machine writing an overly emotional neurotic breakdown tickles my sense of funny.Oh well, ChatGPT sir, let me tell you why you are fucking wrong:>You don't establish a relation to your type.If I take this at face value, you are saying it is impossible to type at all. Would be fair only if you assume pure types though, good thing we are all grown ups here and don't do that.>You can relate to the aspect of the psyche without knowing its name.Yes this is accurate actually. But my partially thinkoid brain does like the names, don't see it as anything more than that.>Knowing presupposes an egoSource? The problem here is that you are simply assuming that, but in reality I can become aware and claim I know something about my shadow, for instance. Though it does not say much about whether I'm ego-identified with it, just that "oh this fact? yeah I can link it to something in my funny labels". Which is helpful because it's a step towards true knowledge and self-acceptance, not the final step, but one step.>One cannot be self-centricTrascendent Function. Though that's a temporary state imo, you can indeed reach that for a little while.>Type is nothing more than defining and naming the aspects to which you are supposed to be relating.And and the typical "nothing but" reductive thinking finally comes to the light. Didn't miss this one.Then what are you even doing here again?The other reply is also literally just the same.And this kids, is what happens when you outsource your thinking to a LLM.
>>83904429>Type is just an abstract concept bro, you're sinning by even trying to relate to itMeanwhile you're out here dropping reddit layers of meta commentary to smugly declare that actually understanding yourself via typology is the real defense mechanism, while simultaneously acting like you've transcended the human condition by realizing "you can't know yourself in totality." LMAO.
Everyone stop using AI please. I can tell you are.
>>83904486You cannot understand yourself by reading a book. Are you retarded? Obviously that's a defense mechanism.
>>83904497Right now I'm not doing myself. The other anon absolutely is though.And that being said, arguing with ChatGPT, as funny as it can be the first time, does get tiring so if the other anon does it again, that will be the end of the convo for me.
>>83904375>delegitimise it through stereotypesThat's what makes it fun.
>>83904497No, they cannot stop using LLMs, because they're incapable of generating thoughts themselves. LLMs make them sound smart, and that's what they care about. Optics. Appearing as someone who knows what they're talking about in order to garner attention.
>>83904501Nta, but it's aspergers. They'll literally argue all day that a book superceeds real life experiences, that was patchy whole thing. 4chan spergs are autodidact fact memorizers, which puts them above most redditors who defer to the authority of an "expert" that's why he's using reddit as an insult.
>Neurotypicals romanticizing ego death >Second nature to autists and schizosThis is why they're so vulnerable to the Psychos (ego overload) in the cycle.
>>83904547I don't think they're literal spergs. Just sheltered and neurotic.
INFJ-A and the person he's talking to are usually both wrong, but INFJ-A is always least wrong
>>83904547Uhm, your modern psychomemes knowledge is outdated. Aspies were debunked.Of course, one could argue what even they are trying to label under the 'tism at all in the very first place, and wonder if this isn't just a contemporary version of the type problem(sorry "neurotypicals" and "neurodivergents", not dropping this one because the extraverted bias is as blinding as the sun, but don't worry, there is also another in things like ADHD which reveals introverted bias, if you want to know).
People are keen to say that I'm wrong, but refuse to elaborate on how. Which says to me:They're just full of shit.
>I'm not going to clarify after tentatively soft launching my subjective opinion and yet to having recovered from the response>But ask me about THIS opinion I swear I'm good for itKWAB
>>83904501>I am deathly afraid that if I actually sat down and read Jung instead of speed scrolling wiki summaries and retarded discord takes I might discover that my entire worldview is built on vibes and memes.>>83904536Oh my science bless your heart with this galaxy brain take INFJ-A. You really gonna diagnosing anons as brain-dead attention whores who can't think while conveniently positioning yourself as the last true independent thinker in the room? Fucking midwit.
This One Weird Trick Lets Him Put You In Whatever Box He Wants! Those Seeking Authentic Individuation HATE Him
Because no one particularly enjoys getting dragged in endless arguments about semantics, only for the conclusion to be "actually we weren't disagreeing you just didn't get my deep insights......"I shall quote again:"That's a delay tactic, not a defense".And if you want more warisms, a battle of attrition against the person as opposed to a real intellectual challenge against the idea.
>>83904497>Everyone stop using AI please. I can tell you are.I asked an AI to write me a snarky reply to this, and this is the best it could come up with..."Don't worry - some of us still type our own bad ideas."
>>83904618LLMs can be very funny. Genuinely I do laugh at the shit they write.
>>83904603If he had any real feeling left that wasn't purely posturing as "2deep4u" while at the same time hating to gain any depth, we wouldn't have these strange arguments.
INFJ-A is right. Y'all niggas can't write an argument without using LLMs. Look at the thread like 5 years ago arguments went like this:>Anon 1: I think inferior Fe sucks>Anon 2: actually the stocatistic ontological phlogestonic sardine argument proves ur wrong>Anon 1: well ur just dumb>Anon 2: no ur stupid >Anon 1: FUCK YOU!!!>Anon2: NO FUCK YOU!Today:>Anon 1: words words words words>Anon 2: actually words words words words>Anon 1: words words words words words words words words >Anon 2: words words words words words words words words >Anon 1: words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words >Anon 2: words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words >Etc
>>83882775>typeENFP>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?still existing a core me behind of so much layers, something like my jokes and music taste still the same,,, maybe just my mindset changes to adapt me to other ppl, but not so much changes..>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?idk. if im living a simulation i can't notice what is the reality or part of the program>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?may be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
My man I'm just wordy by nature. Have said many times that I need to cut the shit of my posts and make summaries(by myself) or it would go above character limit all the time+look very messy.
>>83904605>MUH SEMANTICS!Shut up feeloid.
>>83904729Sorry what? Was talking about specifically about the past arguments that happened many years ago with *him*.After a while, the conclusion was pretty much "what a massive waste of time, engaging with this person is just not worth anything for anyone most of the times", and as a general rule semantics are not a refutation anyway, once I refute the idea we are done regardless of how hard you want to try to appear mistunderstood.
It's literally impossible to have a conversation if the participants don't agree on, or understand the meanings of the words within the conversation.>>83904757Shut up feeloid.
>>83904701It's because you're stuck at the phallic stage and have penis envy. Your verbosity is sign that you wish to have the symbolic power of a large penis.
Ooooh, so that's why he cut off his dick, it's because he's envious of other people's larger dicks.Makes sense, makes sense.
>>83904762And while I do understand your point, you are missing the part where this moves the argument in a direction that you never really get out of, trying to redefine words without even thinking about the ideas being presented there at all.Weird association to make with the feeling types, because thinkoids are attracted by ideas, the image, the concept, the word is just a way to communicate it and hope it lands. Not trying to write a dictionary here.>>83904766wtf Freud jumpscare. Go away, I have magical girls.
What happens to an ESTP who isn't a Chad? Cause having Chad rizz is the only way anyone tolerates an ESTP.
>Cause having Chad rizz is the only way anyone tolerates an ESTP.Not the females
I mean, if you want proof of how thinkoids "speak" in their brains, just look at math.A bunch of symbols, weird shapes, sometimes they mix letters and numbers together, they couldn't give less of a fuck as long you understand what the formulas mean in the given context.
>>83904791Feeloids cannot comprehend thinking arguments and try to dismiss them. Calling an argument "just hekkin semantics!" is a dismissal. It doesn't engage with anything being said, just dismisses it as disagreeable.AKA: Shut up feeloid. If you could understand my point, then you would articulate my point back to me in a way that I do not disagree with. It's very simple. If you say you disagree with something I said, and then I say that's not what I meant, what's the only possible next move(s)?I either:>Call you a retarded pseud and move on>(Re)define the words so that you can understand>Elaborate with more wordsI opt for:Shut up retarded pseud.
>>83904626>LLMs can be very funny. Genuinely I do laugh at the shit they write.I remember reading about a girl who asked one to write her obituary. One line that still makes me smile was "She didn't have any horses, but she thought she did."
>>83904848>Feeloids cannot comprehend thinking arguments and try to dismiss them. That's sensoids not feeloids. Get your facts straight mister before I punch you.
>>83904899It happens with every oppositional function pair interacting. Feeling cannot understand thinking and visa versa, and sensation cannot understand intuition and visa versa. >before I punch you.Shut up sensoid.
>>83904797>Non Chad estpsThey become the douche bag/fuckboy or wigger or obnoxious redneck type and when older they become the bloated boomer in sunglasses with a shirt that says something like "I'm gen-x I could kill you but I wont".
>>83904797Then they become your average neurotic incel larping as an INFP on /r9k/. AKA (you).
>>83904848>Calling an argument "just hekkin semantics!" is a dismissal.And it can be a very accurate one. If what you argue about is definitions, then yes, semantics. Can this be justified? Yes, sometimes, depends on the context.>If you could understand my point, then you would articulate my point back to me in a way that I do not disagree with.That requires some degree of trust that you will not just keep moving the goalposts.And also, what you are questioning is the personal understanding of your word vomit rather than the idea behind it.>If you say you disagree with something I said, and then I say that's not what I meant, what's the only possible next move(s)?A pretty good one would be >Ok I'm disagreeing with the idea expressed and as currently understood, and have no desire to engage with a revision or a different ideaBut you can't grasp at this because to you words=ideas directly.Not to mention, you very fundamentally misunderstand what the thinking standpoint cares about. Trying to appear more intellectual than u is a feeling standpoint, simply challenge the idea without caring much about e-peen or even if the person actually said that is the thinking standpoint, because pure thinking standpoint does not give a flying beyond this point.
>>83904883Might do it too. Claude better write some kino there.>>83904899What did anon mean by this, genuinely.
What people here claim their type is and what they really are:>INTP, INTJ, INFJ, ISTP, Are INFP>ENFJ, ENTJ, ESFP, ENFP, >ENTP
>>83905030>I can't understand something not written in by AI.
>>83905014The only times I argue about definitions is when it comes to the definitions of functions. Because idiots like to redefine them in order to build a persona around the bad definitions.>That requires some degree of trust that you will not just keep moving the goalposts.I basically never move the goalpost. But, I can see how you might see it that way. Because you might understand one point in the story of points I'm making, and when I bring up the rest of the connected points, to you, that would seem like a moving of the goalpost. But that was the goalpost the entire time. It's a missing the forest through the trees moment. >and have no desire to engage with a revision or a different ideaHere's a simple out for you:Stop fucking replying then. What you disagree with is YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION. Do you understand that? You don't disagree with me or my words, you disagree with what happens in your own psyche. You disagree with what you personally believe I mean. It's called projection. >because to you words=ideas directly.No.>you very fundamentally misunderstand what the thinking standpoint cares about.No.>Trying to appear more intellectual than u is a feeling standpointNo. It's a defense of the ego's perception of being "a smart thinking type".>pure thinking standpoint Does not exist. Ego inflation.>simply challenge the idea without caring much about e-peenFunny enough, this is exactly what you, and most other anon's don't do. So using your own incorrect methodology you're a feeloid.It's nearly impossible to get someone to actually ENGAGE with the idea I'm putting forward without them projecting their own dislike of my character and being dismissive and a pseudo intellectual game of superiority.
>y-you just don't get my deep insights.... ugh... you just want to be right without getting ME.... you feel---- huh well that makes sense according to my cope so YOU FEELOID!Always the same move. We are done here.
It's not even a deep insight, it's a fucking basic bitch connection of simple ideas. That you're just too retarded to comprehend.
The greatest intellectual can be silenced with picrel. Remember that anons, facts don't matter, only power matters.
>>83905154Nta but you're funny. I'm glad you replaced patchy he was boring, ISTJ boring. You need to namefag tho.
>>83905185No booli Patchy on my watch. Besides, don't know for how long I will stick to regular-posting here.If you REALLY need a name, MGfag(for higher accuracy, since I don't like only Precure, but I sure as hell do like magical girls in general) is fine.
>>83905174You're losing an argument so you're gonna threaten to kill someone?
The best name would be archetypally-possessed-by-the-magician-and-larping-as-a-magical-girl-fag
>>83905239Try saying that every time you want to name somebody though.
>>83905247How about APBTMALAAMG-fag, for short?
>>83905288Too many letters imo, but you do you
>>83905307You're right, faggot is good enough.
These threads are starting to feel boring. Nothing is entertaining me any longer.
Not even playing up an ENTP stereotype a little for mostly humoristic purposes?You would freak if you saw how I actually act IRL instead.
>>83905333Just get a reggy to fight another reggy. That's always amusing.
>>83905362Who? Kokoro is the only true reggie left. The rest only occasionally post.
>>83905381Sorry but true reggie is very inaccurate, I come and go, and don't know if I will ever return once I'm engaged with something else.No joke here, saying this to avoid disappointment.
Here, I'll simulate the reggy argument:>words words words>"uhhhh ur rong cus i don't like u">ur retarded>"no ur retarded>no ur retarded>"NO IM REALLY SMART AND UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING REEEE">shut up retard>"REEEEEEEEEEEE">Lol retard
these renovations are gonna be the fuckin' death of me... how retarded do you have to be to strip so many fucking screws..? why do people feel the need to build quirky, narrow fucking stairs that requires you to constantly twist your ankle to use the steps? did they not have to carry heavy shit up to the second floor while building or did they actually opt to use a crane? why is the ceiling so fucking high and why is there tiny ass, pointless fucking windows high on the wall? nobody can see through them at that level and they let in absolutely no light due to their size. why can you open these windows when you can't even reach them? moreover, why the fuck is the bathroom vent connected to this random fucking room upstairs that has zero airflow? how many times do i have to hit my head before i realize the architect for some reason elected to design the upstairs with as low a ceiling as humanly possible?siiigh. the progress is good, at least. be done in no time at all <3 (i tell myself.)>>83904375well said.i remember the early days of /mbti/ whereupon we were more tight-knit and mbti was less widespread on the net than it is today. was more quality learning, teaching and memeing. wasn't so much a bunch of losers gabbing/gloating vehemently about the most deranged/inane shit ever as it is today. the losers back then were more productive about being in the thread. but such is the deteriorated condition of the board/site as a whole. whatcanyado? >,<i do miss the shenanigans of mbti d-servers. drama/interactions there's less pathetic than the text walls here lmao. wonder if any still exist.
>>83905410More like TE:>REEEEEE BELIEVE WHAT I FUCKIN TELL YOU TO BELIEVE!!!! bible quote bible quote bible quoteRxy:You don't deserve a response, but I'll respond. You're so MEAN for disagreeing with ME, I feel so sad, you dirt bag but I won't call you dirt because dirt is too good for you. Wahhh I'm sad.INFJ-A>Murhahaha I'm so smart and ur so dumb, I am enjoying being smarter then you.Mel:>You FUCKING BASTARD. But you're not gonna get to me mad you son of a bitch, I won't give you that power over me FUCKER.Diarygirl>(Post pick of a pooping hamster with big penis that has another regs name on it) Uyr spend jdj fried kids dumb dumb shhd djud >Turbie^_^ I luv fuxxy wuzzy uwu owo o_o (pretends not to be bothered)>PatchyLLM TEXXXXXXXTTTTTWALLLLLS.
>>83905416> remember the early days of /mbti/ whereupon we were more tight-knit and mbti was less widespread on the net than it is today. was more quality learning, teaching and memeingYou mean when mbti had 25 namefags that sexed each other and argued constantly and dumped their drama all over the thread? Yeah those were some great days mmmm hmmmm.
>>83905507>mbti had 25 namefags that sexed each other and argued constantly and dumped their drama all over the thread?That never happened. Stop being dramatic.
You mean when Turbie would spam the thread with mass replies to every single post in the thread with the most mundane useless shit like "WOW IS THAT INFJ-T??? UWU!!! :O XDD :D:D:D:D:D"Glad that shit is gone.
>>83905507isn't that... present day? you musta joined late if that's your fondest memory <3>>83905535admittedly? good riddance to that shit>>83905410>>83904686i lol'd.the hopelessly insecure sure are fascinating creatures. i wish them all the best.what the fuck am i doing awake...
I just found out the average non-white male is 5'6 world wide.
>>83905655>what the fuck am i doing awakeIt's only 11pm
>>83885143bruh is this lilac?
>>83906070>Te: Lucifer
>>83906070Weres lilac and scruffy (whatever his name is)
>>83906094Do not click. It's a virus ip logger.
Don't tell Turdie Nigoyer that, he'll get angry at you and quote the bible or something
Bump cause God knows we need it these days. We used to have threads that went into the 600s and now we're lucky if the thread survives the night.
Bumping doesn't do much good when there's no one adding to the non-existent discussion.
>>83906426>>83906590What do you think is missing or needed?
i have a crush on a reggie guess who they are and i will asks them out
i bet ur the same anon who was going to admit it in the EOT but failed cause the thread 404'd huh huh huh, aren't u
>>83906702>i have a crush on a reggie guess who they are and i will asks them outI wanna say diarygirl.
>>83906862No, anon obviously has the hots for (you), anon.
>>83893444cute trips! yeah i tend to agree
c'mon spill the beans who's the crush we need some spicy new drama
I'm not saying who my crush is because the tranny mod kicked me from the secret discord server.
I will say who I have a crush onIt's everyoneI have a crush on everyone
>TypeILE-Ti>If you are constantly adapting yourself to others and situations, is there really a "core you" that stays the same? Or are you just the sum of all the adaptions?If there is no self that is adapting then what is adapting? The thing that changes is itself the self, the you. Unless you claim that this "core you" is static by definition?>What is the difference between a "real" reality and a perfect simulation?There is no real difference, you are just using words that invoke different feelings to describe the "world" that you perceive>Does observing your type automatically falsify it, since now you aren't acting naturally anymore?I really can't see how this 'falsifies' anything.
>>83907248Eww even the trannies?
>>83907203Unless youre gay there are only 3 femoids left: diarygirl (you didn't awnser yes to that one), mel and esfp-tan, so using googles coin flipper: it's mel.
bumpy to save the thread.
>>83907887Just let it die. TE will make a new one anyways.
>i have a crush on diary girlshe's 14 dude.
Someone said EOT and I got prematurely sexooo xdcited
>>83907906i think TE forsake mbti after anon destroyed him saying turbie obviously doesn't care about him at all or at least not in the same way he cares about her, but he's such a dull simp that he doesn't notice
diarygirl had a sexxier tummy than lilac
again, she's 14 lilac is 34
>>83907934TE has bipolar codependance, so after turbie left, he tried to latch onto patchy but that fell apart. Then he tried to latch onto diarygirl but she stone cold ignored him for INFJ-A. Then he tried to flirt with Mel but she kept insulting him until he raged. Then he changed his name to Tom Edward or whatever and said he'd blow up a federal building. He's really spiriallying down the drain without Turbie around.
>>83907942They're both 27
>>83907993NO NONA, that was something nona said cayse ai told nona she writes like a 27yo trying to sound younger to nona, shes not really 27yo K nona.
>>83907942>TE has bipolar codependancesounds horrible, can men like this ever find love
wasnt diarygirl 14 in like, 2023? Is time non-existent here? is that why we still talk about grave regs? Also i have a cool trip for a nigga named tom
i wonder if i could convert throne tribs at the atm of this ryokan so i can turn (you)s directly into more pachinko, massage, and glass milk bottle money
>>83908043>sounds horrible, can men like this ever find loveThey can find twisted trauma bonding which they think is love. They're basically looking for an emotional sadist or a narc to get crumbs of affection from, which they see as 'I'm changing them for the best'. The only sadist foids here are Rxy and Mel and rx was too over eager to be a dom and Mel is too cold hearted and cruel, otherwise both could have had made TE their simp. >but why does he like Turbie?Because back in the day Turbie would plaster the thread with hypermanic energy. Now autists with schizo pattern recognition found out she had a terrible alchohol addiction and would post during the initital manic phase of being drunk, and since then she has backed off of drinking hence why she now only posts during major holidays, when she still drinks. Most people would agree this is a good thing for Trubie, but not TE. Because turbie was drunk she could handle TEs massive codependant neediness so TE felt that she was 'the one".
>>83908153TOM, second best trip. Best was LMAO, and third was VAG
>>83908220>schizo pattern recognitionWhy do people with low pattern recognition ability feel the need to name call?
>>83908220Well then it sounds pretty much over for him. Bet he kills himself before he turns 40
>>83908260tl;dr inferior/relatively undifferentiated intuition People are quite insecure and overly negative about what's felt as a weakpoint. Though sometimes it can flip all the way to the other extreme, becoming completely naive instead and opening themselves to exploit, either way the pattern of inferior functions is that they tend to come out as too extreme and unadapted >b-but the tests say I'm le intuitive?hmmmm nyo
So let me get this straight you take a quiz and now you're 'INFP' or 'ENTJ'? And you wear it like a badge? Like it's the profound truth about who you are?Mbti, useful perhaps for casual conversation, is weak. It has zero predictive utility for performance in the real world. It's a toy, a modern horoscope dressed in a Jungian cloths. And Jung himself would be horrified to see his ideas reduced to simplistic binarism. >My dominate Ni means I can't network. >I'm a feeloid so confrontation isn't my thing. Pathetic. It's avoidance masquerading as self-knowledge. What you need isn't another label. What you need is to grow the hell up. Get a job, a real one, the kind that makes your back ache and your hands dirty if necessary. Show up every day, even when you don't feel like it. Especially when you don't feel like it. That's where meaning is forged: in voluntary responsibility, in bearing the burden of existence without complaint. Produce more than you consume. Make yourself useful. That's the path out of childish things. Not endless introspection about whether you're "intuitive" or "sensing." Get out there and work. Build something. Fix something. Serve someone. Sacrifice the easy dopamine of self-discovery quizzes for the hard-won dignity of honest labor.Because if you don't, well, if you keep hiding behind these infantile categorizations, you'll wake up at 40, still waiting for the world to recognize your "true self," still unaccomplished, still bitter.
>>83908685>zero predictive utility for performance in the real world.If you believe this then why do so many corporations test you for your mbti and use it for team building?
>>83908685>don't have interests just be a wagie working until your back goes out.Ok dude I'll stop enjoying things and start being a miserable slave cause that's what real men do amirite?
>>83908685>Because if you don't, well, if you keep hiding behind these infantile categorizations, you'll wake up at 40, still waiting for the world to recognize your "true self," still unaccomplished, still bitter.You complain about "simplistic binarism" and then present a simple binarism of mbti=loserdom/no-mbti=success. That's a bit hypocricial. You CAN be successful and like things anon. And NO there is not a higher probablity of failure for liking MBTI, in fact I would argue it's probably the opposite.
>>83908685HolyFe-groid.Almost got me with the work talk, but the framing is heavily on the feeling side, just the "objective" side of the feeling which tends to gloss over or misinterpret the internal one. Moreover, it's not trying to impose its own thinkoid labels(e.g. deferring to modern psychomemes) like a Te-groid would, it just wants you to not play the label game at all.
>rando textwalls his dislike of mbti>>83908700 >INTP mad he might be factually incorrect>>83908760 >INFP mad his happy fun time is being judged>>83908811 >INTJ mad at possible bad forcasting>>83908912>INFJ needing to correct the emotional framing for better group harmony.Basically the 4 types of anons who frequent the thread are all here defending their positions.
>>83908952INFJ? pffft... now that's wild.Think better, the truth is right in your face.Oh well, you could argue my "persona" is sort of INFJ-ish until I reveal my trve type.
>>83908952ok but why do you think they're those types?
Just realized what I did there.Patchy who calls himself IN(T) said he has a ENFJ personaMe who I call myself EN(T) said I have a INFJ persona(confirmed that I act more introverted and feely on purpose IRL, though it's hard to pretend I'm not an intuitive main when it's kinda obvious my sensation is shite, so there you go)Now that's something to think about all day long.
>>83908959I read a couple of your posts:>posts are basically speculative tangents and/or playful trolling-lite and often open ended. So Dom Ne, also the scattered brainstorming posts that get wordy is Ne-gro stuff.>constant critque of other functions = Aux Ti causing a need for precision in typology yadda yadda yadda.>Tert Fe = can mimick INTJ-ish need for harmony but then reject it or get tired of it 2 seconds later, >Inferior Si: you literally said Si is infeirior in you, unless you're lyingso ENTP?
>>83909047Yeah, but on 4chan I don't even bother trying to hide it. Very big "on 4chan" here, because I'm implying I find little reason to fall back on the Persona on an anonymous imageboard. To do this IRL I need a lot of reassurance... or getting caught by my own enthusiasm a little too much.
>>83908962>ok but why do you think they're those types?I don't know. Maybe they're the 4 most likely to be femme brained? I remember an anon counted the people who posted their types from the thread questsions over 5 years, and INTP/INFP/INTJ was 70% of the people posting. I'll outsource my thinking to an LLM, heres what it thinks:>/r9k/ is a magnet for introverted, intuitive, perceiving types who feel deeply alienated, overthink everything, and find comfort (or at least catharsis) in anonymous doomer communities. INTP wins for the detached analysis + meme autism, INFP for the raw feels + romantic blackpill framing. The other two (INTJ/INFJ) show up as the more "elite" or "mysterious" variants but don't dominate because they're less tolerant of the endless chaos.
>>83909024So we have three ENT-'s here? Patchy, kokoro and Mel. Wtf are extroverted thinkers doing on a incel board?
>>83909109Well the LLM isn't wrong in a general sense, but it's falling for type=behavior.What makes you think an Extravert can't feel like this?>>83909113Patchy claims IN(T) or INTJ, introverted intuition main/thinking auxiliary, I don't see any issue with that and he seems to separate himself from the persona very well.Mel claims ET(N) or ENTJ, and I don't see any issue with this so far if it's not just a persona.Kokoro(me) had previously claimed other types under different names(ironically enough, not INFJ, probably out of having a little self-awareness and Jungism) but eventually decided the truth was EN(T) or ENTP some time before the Umikeko tragedy.
>>83909071>Very big "on 4chan" here, because I'm implying I find little reason to fall back on the Persona on an anonymous imageboard.WHAT? So you're "big on 4chan" because you have "little reason" to revert your persona on 4chan? Whaa? Thas liek saying "I drink coke at school cause I have no reason to drink coke at school.">To do this IRL I need a lot of reassurance... or getting caught by my own enthusiasm a little too much.You need reassurance to operate with your dominate functions? so are you saying you are actually a different personality? like INTP?
>>83909142tl;drThe type is about your entire Self, not the Persona, it's no mere social mask. So yes, I either need to be myself, with people I trust, "fucking up" by being overly enthusiastic, or the opportunity has to present itself. That's what makes it confusing, trying to find the actual core instead of what I'd like to be or the outward behavior. also you need to read the Jung instead of random blogposting drivels, otherwise you might not get all these hints
>>83909151Instead of "dropping hints", just outright tell me. Anyways I gotta go, talk to you later.
>>83909109I don't like downers.
>>83909137>Kokoro(me) had previously claimed other types under different namesHow many different types have you claimed and over how long of a time span?
>>83909165Sorry, but am mystery brained as hell.Well, I told you where to look, MBTI makes it confusing to tell between behavior and Jungian type, if you read Psychological Types from him and at very least skim the rest of his stuff, you have everything you need to make sense of my words there.
>>83909176At least 3 different types(INTP, INTJ, can't remember the third, maybe ENFP lol)The span of time is around the start of /mbti/ threads, how many years was that? Anyways, at least one year delay.Though generally, people here don't recognize me as reggy under one name, like previously they just used Bernposter because I posted her.
>>83909184Oh, that's a lot. I don't like when people claim so many different mbti types. I'm removing you from my like list.
>>83909184So ur an old reg? I donno old regs cept turbie.
>>83909194Honest self-typing is hard man. Both because you need to absorb the Jungism and because you don't see yourself for the longest time (ymmv with a higher degree of introspection)
https://youtube.com/shorts/6wGS9tWLwiswhich mbti is this style of thinking
>>83909203Reg is not too accurate because >>83905402People were talking about JVNG in my magical girl threads(because one of these seasons is so fucking blatant that everyone notices when they first watch it, assuming they know anything about Jung) so the Ne-groidism activated and I started to wonder how I would type some of these characters... one thing leads to another, now I gotta re-read a little to remind myself... let me check what the /mbti/ general is doing while I'm at it and there we go.
>no Patchy in the next thread(unless...) to bounce off endlessly>most Jungism comes either from me, or the very personification of inferior thinking(which attitude? no fucking idea, leaning slightly on inferior extraversion still, also he's just LLMing it up anyways)>some anons actually willing to get more typological and Junganical but the thread is still largely reggy cultureNot looking good for my tastes already. But let's see how the next thread looks like, if anyone makes it...
>>83909426jung slopp
>>83909426It's your fault. You "played yourself".
>>83909779Unfortunately, that does sound about right here.
I love that the Pseudo-Jungians still don't know what inferior thinking is.
Why don't you provide your own definition then?
Because I don't have "my own" definition. I have the one definition, created by Jung.
Replying some shit so we can have a new thread sooner.Fug sensoids tho.
>>83911108Just make new thread. No smart questions please.
The more I read Jvng, the more I think Sensation types are relatively innocent compared to Te-groids and Fe-groids, the latter especially bad.
The more you say things like that, the more abundantly clear it becomes that you don't understand anything Jung is saying.
This guy never heard of a personal opinion...There again, says a lot that you need to keep saying that while my attitude is more like... just read the difference between the shit we type and people can make the judgement call on who reads Jung better.
You can have a personal opinion.Personally, I believe that gravity is false and when I throw an apple it will float away into the sky.
>>83911220You're wrong and retard. It will hit an old lady first, then a dog, before it will float away into the sky.
>>83911328Obviously you're wrong, retard. It will float away first, reach the world limit and fall out of bounds where gravity fails and it will start tumbling back down to the earth which is flat and since it's falling at such an extreme speed it will hit the edge of the earth causing it to flip like a coin and God will place a bet with the Devil to see whether it lands on heads or tails.
>>83911353Put your trip on, TE.
>>83911415I'm not TE you idiothead
Bump because it's funny
>>83911436I'm an ENTP but mostly fall for Fi heavy girls. Recently an IxFP with BPD. She is so cute with her pins and colored highlights. I want to own a Fi girl, but at some point it always clashes, she is irrational and I try to adjust myself into her infinetly incomprehensible subjective ideal. Talking to a ENTP girl on the other hand is fun and intuitive, but the Fi heavy girls are true princesses, I want one
>>83912362Uuugh... Fi-groid women...I mean, I get the sentiment somewhat because at the end of the day I certainly like them above Fe-groids who tick me off very instinctively(while the opposite initial reaction is true to Fi-groids, I suppose), but the close contact very quickly shatters the illusion that these types have anything that's just not projecting all our(?) Feeling function into them, and funnily enough, they also do the same.
>>83912362You know it's quite literally impossible to type someone who is BPD because they have no rigid ego identity? "who" they are changes very commonly.
>>83912414When I talk to girls who are on the Ti-Fe axis its annoying because of the transparent mutual awareness of specific social dynamicsand Ti's lack of soul. There is a certain mystique to Fi, its the cutest and most "conscious" of all the functions. It attracts me, sometimes even in a man. >>83912432The who-change is governed by a genetic, biolgically determined foundation. Psychometrics, IQ and cognitive functions. What "changes" is more persona related
>>83912432Does Turbie Enjoyer qualify as BPD
>>83911436You miss jokes like him.
>>83912482Anyway, glad to find another ENTP cutefag around.Little hint though, this is actually coming from the inferior Si-groidism, it's ultimately more about the aesthetics of cuteness(they are simple, moderate sense impressions, subtly pleasant instead of plain boring, recall child/animal-like features, generally fall back on archetypal shapes such as roundness) than the feeling related to it. The most glaring proof of this is that Japan is the peak Si-groid nation.
>>83912482It's not governed by genes. It's governed by their identity as themselves. When someone has a poorly defined ego boundary, their identity will shift frequently.When things arise in the psyche, the ego identifies with it and claims it as itself. Love towards you appears? That's who they *are*. They *are* that love.Ten seconds later, hate towards you appears? They *ARE* that hate. It's not simply an emotion, it completely consumes their identity and causes them to erupt in radically different behavior from moment to moment. It's basic depth psychology. >>83912495Who knows, mango? He's definitely archetypally possessed, though.
>>83912519I think I might get what youre referring to. For example, the plain ENTP girl is devalued for its abstract aesthetic category and the absence of certain aesthetic weights / influences. This category then gets associated with a kind of material, in this case, something like sheet metal. The Fi heavy girl on the other hand, with her furry soul, evokes an entire cocktail of cute, colorful aesthetics.
>>83912528I experienced and agree with your description of BPD traits. However, my point is that these ego fluctuations dont and cant override a certain biological core. A Fi girl cant magically become Ti. They might larp as that, they might lose certain observable traits of Fi, but in my book, cognitive functions are stabile and biologically determined. Its not a matter of identification.
>>83912585In terms of their own aesthetics, yeah sure. Was trying to say that when inferior Si-brains notice cuteness and become magnetically attracted to it, that seems to come from specifically looking at the sense impression side rather than the feeling side(though, the feeling side is partially included, but not the core source). Generally they are not aware of this(hence, might not make it part of their own personal aesthetic, and might not be willing to admit it in public despite having a 744TB cute anime girl folder) because it's their inferior function, but eventually you realize what's happening there.>>83912611Also yes, other anon still can't properly separate type and behavior.Junganically speaking, BPD would be closer to switching between conscious and unconscious attitude rather quickly in terms of observable behavior.Or, if we use anon's description here:>Love towards you appears? That's who they *are*. They *are* that love.>Ten seconds later, hate towards you appears? They *ARE* that hate.Maps to a very exaggerated version of Extraverted Feeling. And denying this is not reading Jung at all because it's written in plain text lmao
>>83912611I'm not saying someone's type changes. I'm saying they cannot be typed. For all functional purposes, they lack a type due to lacking an ego structure. If the ego identifies with every whim that appears in the psyche, they have no type. Type is an ego identification with the dominant underlying structure of the psyche. The structure may exist, but without a coherent ego identity, neither they, nor an outside observer can determine their type.A person cannot tell you who they are if they do not know who they are.
>Type is an ego identificationProtip: the ego identifies with contents, not literal psychic activity of the functions.But a general tendency is preferring more differentiated contents, so there is some truth in it being mostly associated with the main function. Many exceptions to this can still happen due to trying to develop an auxiliary function, having the ego associated with the inferior function contents that happened to reach consciousness.
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>>83912658Just talked to a guy that sources for me and he called MBTI "nazi science" by capitalists to sort workers while disproportionally effecting women and minorities who get the worker personalities more often. And that socionics is "marxist truth " and stuff like "information elements are marxist onology" blah blah blah Marxism good....(T_T) Now call me crazy, but I don't see them as left vs right personality matrixes. But are they? And since when? And I don't wanna be mean but he's a college kid so I feel like someone spoon feed him these ideas.
>>83912829All I can say to this is really justTell that fucker to get out of /pol/(not sure if literally or metaphorically, holy directionbrain my man...)
>>83912759The ego can absolutely identify with psychic activity. It's very common, the ego can absolutely mistakenly identify itself as the Self.The ego can identify with anything that happen, even if that thing exists outside of the self. It can identify with a tree, it can identify with a process within the psyche, it can identify with a contents of a function, or a memory, or an archetype.This is what happens a lot of the time with people who have BPD or other PERSONALITY disorders. That's why they're called personality disorders, because they have a case of mistaken identity. Where the ego confuses itself for something happening within the psyche.But, something of note, the dominant function is dominant because of the egos identification with it. If the ego does not identify with the function, it is by that very definition, undifferentiated. Differentiation is not a biological given, it's something that's earned through repeated relational interactions between the ego and the self.
>>83912861>The ego can absolutely identify with psychic activity.Tentative claim here, but not really because ego identification is by itself a psychic activity that cannot be another at the same time.If I say something like "I identify with Thinking", what I'm really trying to say is that I identify with [contents often associated with thinking activity, such as being able to solve logical problems]
>>83912909Yes, what most people MEAN is that they're identifying with the content. But that's not exclusively the case, nor does it mean that one cannot identify with the process of thinking which generates the content, rather than the content itself.That's what happens in a lot of the times with people who become spiritually inflated, and with archetypal inflation. The ego can absolutely identify itself as the process of thought which generates the content of thinking. The ego can believe itself to be the center of the psyche.
When you think about it, "Type is ego identification" sounds very similar to "Your type is what you think it is", though the former is conceptually incorrect Junganically, the second does not claim conceptual validity, but rather seems to be hinting >the process of thought... which would imply that somehow you can identify with LITERALLY ANYTHING THINKABLE including things like shadow contents forcing themselves into the conscious attitude, which is to say, closer to inferior function contents. Now I don't even need to do any work here, you just create your own contras.
lol massive sensation failure, ebin, truly ebin.ahem, hinting at >>83904046(I'm now identified with this because it's funny)
>>83912970>which would imply that somehow you can identify with LITERALLY ANYTHING THINKABLEHELLO THAT'S WHAT BPD DOES. That's exactly why they become possessed by all sorts of things and their affect can change in moments. Are you following the conversation, can you tell what's being talked about?Prove my point again, why don't you?
>HELLO THAT'S WHAT BPD DOESAlright, first: you previously defined as an equivalent to extreme Extraverted Feeling, as per Jung.And huh yeah that was my intiail point instead: BPD Junganically maps to doing some wild shit with conscious and unconscious attitude, though those still stay the same, the contents the ego identifies with swing back and forth.
What the fuck are you talking about I made no mentions of extroverted feeling. You're smoking crack and talking with apparitions of your own psyche.And the point is that they don't have a conscious attitude. A conscious attitude requires identification with said attitude. The point is that the psyche is undifferentiated, they don't have conscious and unconscious standpoints. It's all (largely) undifferentiated, which is exactly why they flip flop around. If they had a developed ego identify, they wouldn't flip flop around their own psyche.
>What the fuck are you talking about I made no mentions of extroverted feeling.Well you didn't use the term youself, but you literally did claim a definition written in plaintext under the extraverted feeling type....>they don't have a conscious attitude......so they are primitives/undifferentiated types? Actually hell not even accurate since a conscious attitude sort of exists here, just very hard to pinpoint since most of the behavior would be accidental.These Jvngian fanfics just keep getting better. You have a talent for writing, trust my Ne-groidism on this one, I'm great at spotting potential.
>so they are primitives/undifferentiated types?Yes. >since a conscious attitude sort of exists hereDon't act like you don't know what I'm saying simply because I overstate things for emphasis of the point.
>Yes.Going to need a better argument than that. So far you have only proven you fail to understand what the ego can identify with. For how much you claim that to be true, you would need perfect accuracy and meta-awareness in determining what's the activity of the function itself and not merely a content that was also shaped by other functions, complexes, etc. And at the same time, you could not do this with anything concrete at all(since by definition, more concrete means less differentiated in terms of functions). My mind can't even wrap itself around this extremely twisted fanfic you present.
The ego can identify with anything.The ego does not need complete awareness of anything to identify with it. The ego doesn't even need an understanding of its own identification in order for it to identify. >since by definition, more concrete means less differentiated in terms of functionsNot necessarily. Looks like your book knowledge is failing you when put into practice. Whoda thunk't.Oh wait. Me.
Going to need quite a few citations here, especially for the>Not necessarilyThis is directly contradicted Fi-gger, or Fe-gger, who knows anymore.And the rest of the bragging, too, I guess. How do you determine the failure here? You better not say shit like "because my logic makes no sense to you", yes that's because it's fucking WRONG.
>>83913298>Going to need quite a few citations hereThere's this book call Psychological Types by Carl G. Jung. Maybe you should read it. Then try some of his other books, like The Red Book, Modern Man in Search of a Soul, or Psychology and Alchemy.I know you've not read any of his work yet, it's great for understanding the psyche and its structures!:^)
It's exactly because I read all of those that I disagree though...and something tells me I'm better at reading books than somebody denouncing books....... pure intuition here.
>I have this judgement which is pure intuitionTell me more about your miscategorization of functions.
And it tells me about your... huh, type problem'd version of introversion(read: autism).
It's good to see that your misinterpretations are exclusive to Jung, it's just everything you encounter in the written form.AKA, you suck at reading. Git gud please. Thank you.
Or maybe I have the capacity of forming my own fucking opinions backed by both logic and reading, not just copypasting quotes in my head regardless of blatantly contradictory information.Think we are done here, I couldn't prove your inferior thinking harder than this.
You certainly have the ability to form opinions based on misunderstandings of what you read, I'll give you that one. >I think we're done here I can't stop projectingSuit yourself. :)
