Do most men enjoying being the "pursuer"? I mean, in that they are expected to make the first move, and they are expected to curate an experience for a women they are courting? Do they like being on "the hunt"?It honestly seems exhausting. Like you constantly have to perform like a jester trying to win the favor of an unamused queen. Always having to think of an original and creative opening line. Do you not just want to be the object of affection instead? Would you not rather be pursued?
>>83994050Personally I would rather be pursued. Doesn't need to be like a lot, but her initiative stuff would be great. It would also be a great predictor for a compatible partner since I'd prefer a girls who's assertive and direct.But alas it is why I am not interesting to any girl
>>83994050idk about other man, but ill just dip if someone's not into ityoure not the only woman in the world, later
>>83994068*initiating
I don't see how anyone doesn't? no better tests to prove yourself as a person worth at least befriending.
>>83994050>Do most men enjoying being the "pursuer"?No, it's not something they chose to be.
>>83994098For the most part, women do not enjoy it. So I was wondering if it really is just a typical aspect of male psychology to enjoy the challenge.
>>83994098>no better tests to prove yourself as a person worth at least befriendingBut wouldn't it be better to not have to prove yourself and have other people prove themselves to you?
It doesn't matter in the end, I like to be pursued (Everyone likes to be desired after all) but at the end of the day if I am really interested in a woman I will force myself to pursue her.
>>83994050No I don't enjoy it and it's a big part of why I stopped trying to talk to women at all. If they talk to me, then I'll talk to them but I'm not going to go out of my way to try and captivate some woman's attention and compete with other men for it.
>>83994050Chad doesn't have to pursue or put on a dog and pony show so I just ignore women out of spite.
>>83994108they do it a lot more than men lol. They just want you to be the ones that ask upfront but gaining your interests? women do a lot more effort for that
>>83994050it was probably more enjoyable in the past when women weren't cunty and entitled when you were only competing against a handful of other men within a 2-5 mile radius and not the rest of the entire male population from around the globe
>>83994050>Do most men enjoying being the "pursuer"? I mean, in that they are expected to make the first move, and they are expected to curate an experience for a women they are courting? Do they like being on "the hunt"?I already have a job and hobbies. I don't have time for this shit, nor have I ever wanted to do it. I think it's pretty pathetic and weak to do it as well. Imagine begging some foid to be with you. That's what it amounts to. Giving her an ego boost and debasing yourself.
>>83994050I think most men would rather be pursued
>>83994050I like being the 'pursuer' in the sense of physically chasing a woman down to rape her if that's what you meant.
>>83994050I dont know about all men but I personally dont like it. Why cant' we both persue? Why cant we see each other, feel attraction and both attempt to seduce each other? Isn't that what flirting is? Because now it feels like women want to put 0 effort into it. You must approach her, guess that she wants you, drag her up to bed, take her clothes off for you, do all the work during sex, only focus on whether she cums and then make her breakfast the next dayIn the words of bill burr:>>women, when are you going to pick up your end of the couch?
>>83994215>bill burrYou mean that guy who became a doormat/mouthpiece for his insufferable nigger wife? That guy?
>>83994050You sound like an epic faggot who makes threads like "I stood motionless outside on a street corner for 40 minutes yesterday and no females approached me! I was told that women were outside!"and also has never had any friends.>approaching normies and being a clownpilled jestermaxxer just to make friends? No thank you, I'll wait for my friends to find me!!!
>>83994234Why do you feel so personally attacked by what OP said though? Way to make a mountain out of a molehill because you got butthurt for seemingly no reason.
>>83994050If you succeed (get laid) with what you consider to be non-exhausting effort often enough, then I'm sure it's very fun. If you are always rejected, then it feels extremely degrading and you'd rather not do it.
>>83994234>t. jestermaxxing oofy doffy betabux deluxe
>>83994256Usually when someone posts an extremely specific insult, it's something they used to do/believe and now they're overcompensating to make themselves feel better than others.
>>83994294Yeah the rule of thumb is the more specific the insult the bigger the odds of butthurt projection. Which seems to be the standard here now, sadly.
>>83994234Just say you like it twin
>>83994068I dated a man like that and he did not do anythign without me having to tell him. I once waited how long it would take for him to clean stuff on his own and the whole place got dirty as shit and moldy. Never again lol. I don't want to be mommy to a grown man
>>83994234>No one is ever going to approach you first >You should always be the one to approach firstIf no one actually has an interest in getting to know me, then I'd rather just be alone.
>>83994385Why do you suck at choosing decent partners so badly? Since you do all the choosing after all.
>>83994256OP is the one who's butthurt that he has to talk to girls to get girls, or talk to guys to have friends.I'm pointing out that this behavior is pathetic. I'm not personally attacked by it, I have friends and a sex life.>>83994281meme arrow pilled greentextmaxxer>>83994306I like what twin?>>83994388>If no one actually has an interest in getting to know me,Why would anyone have an interest in wanting to get to know you as a completely unapproachable stranger?
>>83994050Not really, but they're self-conscious about how complaining makes them look.
>>83994431Given your rabid responses I doubt you live a healthy fulfilling life but whatever you need to tell yourself to cope, buddy.
>>83994050I'm a person who have an extreme view, feeling, and just attitude towards any type of "selling/marketing yourself towards others" which includes "hunting/pursuing/courting women" because it's the same thing.And that attitude and feeling is extreme repulsion. Imagine the worst type of food laid out on a plate or just plain shit infront of you, what is your reaction to that?I have thr same reaction when I think about having to represent myself in order to get someone to do an action I want.To me it manipulation because you have a diffrent more meaningful "end game" that you are focused on meanwhile you are playing a front even to a small degree, or a big degree.It's all repulsive to me, I can't do it. The end.
>>83994484>rabid responsesrabid? Oh my goodness I'm sorry that you feel that way, please let me know what words or language has offended your sensibilities or tr*ggered any traumatic emotional response.
>>83994594Ooooooo look at how passive-aggressive you are now~ Does lil buddy want a treat? Or a nice little nap maybe? Maybe I'll allow your bickering to continue when you calm down. :)
>>83994431>Why would anyone have an interest in wanting to get to know you as a completely unapproachable stranger?I mean, you could say the exact same thing about me putting effort into getting to know a complete stranger?
>>83994385>don't want to be mommy to a grown manWe know, you're the one that wants to be treated like a kid
>>83994050>It honestly seems exhausting. Like you constantly have to perform like a jester trying to win the favor of an unamused queen.Aesthetics matter a lot here. The women you court are cute as fuck and if they giggle and smirk at your jokes or say thanks while looking at you with their doe eyes and pretty lashes, it makes you feel like you're a winner. Yes it can get boring and exhausting, but the experience itself is very fun and enjoyable.You have to earn your rightTo take your placeWith the human race>>83994068The women who have pursued me have all been imbeciles or very young
>>83994050I think a lot of men don't. But a lot of men are "low quality" so to speak. Nature just experiments with men. But there is a % of men who naturally loves to pursue, hunt, court and dominate. They exist fortunately.
>>83994050the majority of men haven't taken the blackpill yet and are still jestermaxxing unfortunately. I don't think anyone actually enjoys it unless they're chad and know that they'll most likely succeed.
>>83994111Not really, it makes you feel less secure. Like there's something external what makes them do that, not yourself.
>>83994689>makes you feel less secureHaving to constantly prove yourself and entertain others to keep them around makes you feel less secure?
>>83994634At least I know how to/when to clean and cook for myself, thats not what boys looking for mommy can do
>>83994393I have a good husband now, don't worry. 13 years together
>>83994629Because the complete stranger seems attractive and/or otherwise interesting and you'd want them as a friend/bf/gfI don't know why OP is such a deflated wet mop who is morally offended at the concept of having drive and motivation to go out into the world and make things happen.Like just the expression "the pursuit of happiness" is somehow offensive to him - happiness should somehow magically find you on its own as you're cryposting on r9k.
>>83994664lowkey a lot of men just want to be women nowadays
A girl with mental problems pursued me. Should I blame her for her selection, or should I credit her judgement? These are the questions I ask myself. It makes me feel insecure, because it feels like cheating for it to happen this way. She is a schizophrenic, but did the voices tell her to talk to me, or did she do it herself? Does it matter?I may sound like PoS but the sad thing is I never pursued anyone first, and I feel like I want to experience that. But this woman I do care about thrust herself into my life. Still a wizard though.
>>83994720>seems attractive and/or otherwise interesting and you'd want them as a friend/bf/gfYeah, I would prefer to be on the receiving end of that than having to force myself to try and capture the other person's attention and be entertaining. That always ends up being massively one sided and frustrating. I don't want to go out of my way for people anymore.
>>83994747Yeah everyone growing up was sold the idea that men and women are equal and gender roles don't matter. But in reality that was only true for women. We've probably fucked up at least 2 generations of men with this feminist bullshit.
>>83994050No I literally feel like I'm being walked like a dog. I feel like a dancing monkey.
>>83994760>having to force myself to try and capture the other person's attention and be entertaining.but that's exactly what you have to do to for people to walk up to you.You have to be SO fuckin cool, that you can just sit there and people will want to walk up to you and ask you about your favorite music group or whatever you're into.
This may sound silly, but pursuing feels like a huge responsibility if they reciprocate. As if their life will get better or worse because of the pursuer. It could be a catalyst for riches or tragedy. And the pursuer can be blamed more easily. "they're the one who ruined my life."
>>83994829>men have to do all the pursuing>women most affectedReally nigger?
>>83994747I remember when my boyfriend asked me to add him on a messenger when we met in the early days I told him that I don't add, I get added. In a playful way.
>>83994838You're finally starting to get itYes men have to do everything and then get blamed for doing anything
>>83994747'lowkey' (talk like a normal person you fucking faggot) men just want the privileges of women since the double standards are beyond insane.
>>83994871Women honestly really fucking disgust me. What is actually wrong with you?
>>83994838I know I sound like mega simp but I don't like hurting anyone intentionally or not, which could potentially happen if I start an acquaintanceship which develops further.>have toWell you don't have to. Relationships are optional aren't they?
>>83994880What double standards? You are just whiny and neurotic like a bitch. Your body and brain are literally BUILT to conquer and pursue. You don't have to deal with all the insane bullshit women go through biologically every month. You are far more functional, more advanced, stronger, have more energy. Still crying.
>>83994802>exactly what you have to do to for people to walk up to you.No, I'm not expecting people to do it and they usually don't. I'm just going to be myself and maybe that'll interest someone. Feel like that's how it's supposed to work anyway. Though maybe it's never been like that.
>>83994891>r9k man: FUCK YOU BITCH !!! i want to be pursued!!! mommy pls milky pls I WANT TO BE THE WOMAN i hate you whores>sexy boyfriend: (takes the challenge playfully and seduces me and claims me assertively)Yes. Quite the contrast.
>>83994893>uhhh you have to be like this in nature so that means you also have to be like this in modern society, consequences be damnedSee? That's EXACTLY the female privilege I was talking about and you don't even see it. Almost as if you embraced these double standards as the comfy status quo it is for you holes.
>>83994893>Women are equal to men and should be treated like it >Nooooo not like that
>>83994917Women and men are equals as human beings with human rights, but not equals in abilities and strengths. Never said that.>>83994914You have life on biological easy mode and are still crying hysterically.
>>83994893Men are not the terminator...They're just normal human beings not nearly as different from women as you thinkSociety would be a lot better if people could accept this
>>83994906I just bought too heavily into the idea of equality I was sold as a kid. We need to stop lying to boys that women should be treated equally and that we should expect the same in return.
>>83994050Queen? Are you mentally retarded? Most women are easy to talk to and you are only chasing them in the first place because they have a nice ass or big boobs, not because they come from a high status family. Retard. Being a man means you lead the relationship and take initiative, because women biologically cannot. I was never bothered by rejection, the only challenge is that other men might be influencing her. Nothing about it is performative. You treat a woman like a queen after you are already married and have kids. If you are flirting or dating, you are mostly just asking HER questions to look for red flags and get to know her, and just mutually enjoying the moment. If she is bored, you are just a loser.
>>83994928IN NATURE this would 'biological easy mode' yes. Are we in nature right now, Becky? ARE WE?
>>83994928>not equals in abilities and strengths. Never said that.So how should I treat women then if not as an equal and expect the same in return?
>>83994938Treated equally doesnt mean you have equal gender roles or similar expectations, moron. Two minutes in the real world will teach you that. You can treat a successful person like shit if you wanted to. Treatment of someone is entirely independent of what they personally are capable of, men will never get pregnant.
i hate it i hate it i hate it. as soon as it becomes The Pursuit it loses all the fun. i like feeling pursued, but i don't mind making efforts to connect with someone i'm interested in. what i hate is when it becomes a gamified dance of waiting between text messages and planning out how many times to meet before saying X or going to Y place or whatever. if you lose the flow state of a natural connection trying to force it is absolutely miserable. as soon as i feel i have to perform to impress her i just get needlessly stressed out. it's not like i'm sitting alone raging that nobody is approaching me, it's just that if i'm approaching someone i want it to be on natural terms rather than trying to larp as some /r9k/ perception of le chad. i want to be interesting and attractive so that people will be interested in and attracted to me, not flatten myself into Hunter Archetype to play carefully delineated normie games where nobody tells you the rules but losing is suffering
>>83994050no not really. what I like is kissing my gf and holding her hands and having her pussy on my dick.
>>83994956Are you equally sexually attracted to men and women.
>>83994903>I'm just going to be myself and maybe that'll interest someone.So why don't you want to approach people that seem interesting? Why are you the main character and the center of the universe?>>83994946>IN NATURE this would 'biological easy mode' yes. Are we in nature right now, Becky? ARE WE?Not him, but yes. We still live on earth and are part of nature like trees and birds and lizards and everything else is.Just because our buildings are slightly bigger doesn't mean that we're any different from beavers or ants or we somehow live in another realm.
>>83994971Oh okay I guess I can just bonk women on the head with my tree club and drag them to my cave where I can rape them since that's what nature is. But that's not what you meant, is it? Disingenuous little shit.
>>83994050I'm pretty sure everyone in the world (who has the confidence to do it) thinks flirting is fun.
>>83994981If you're Indian, yeah. You can poo in the streets as well.
>>83994960>doesnt mean you have equal gender roles or similar expectationsThat is literally how I was raised. And how a lot of people are. How am I supposed to infer that equal doesn't actually mean equal and women should get special treatment?
>>83994997Alright thanks for confirming that you don't actually believe what you say and just want to be a contrarian lil cunt because you hate men.
>>83994098there's nothing interesting to me about evaluating my own worth by what others think of me. i like when my own efforts produce something for me. when you are asking for others' approval it's like some employer determining if you're "good enough" based on some bullshit. you put yourself in the position of the passive cuck
>>83994969An I supposed to treat people differently just because I find them attractive?
>>83994999By going outside. I almost instantly realized that women are not men. I learned almost instantly that small children are actually not the same as old boomers.
>>83994050no one likes being a court jester, there has to be a degree of reciprocation.
>>83995006You tell me. You think having equal rights under the law means that you have to be sexually attracted to everyone equally, right?
>>83995008>realized that women are not menObviously women are different but I was taught not to treat them any differently. That's what equality is. Equal opportunities, equal expectations.
>>83994050Some do, some don't. >you constantly have to perform like a jester trying to win the favor of an unamused queen. Sounds like you had the wrong shit taught to you. "be yourself" is shit advice but playing a retarded game of trying to impress her is just the other side of that horseshoe. Make your intentions know and be honest to what you are, the moment you act in ways to impress or "win" her you lost the whole game of your life. This doubly applies to friendships. The only time you should be performative is when money is involved such as a job, otherwise learn to be comfortable being you and look for others that want that. >Do you not just want to be the object of affection instead? Wouldn't that just be a trap door of no one loving you then? >Would you not rather be pursued?Again isn't that paradoxical? The type of man they would chase would be willing to chase women anyway.
>>83995020Is that what I said? Where'd you even get that?
>>83994996This. Same with going out.The idea of going to the movies, a night club, concerts or a music festival. To an incel that sounds like a nightmare and an ordeal to struggle through as long as there's the possibility of having sex. Or not having sex, and the possibility only having sex after marriage with another epic virgin, if they're that other kind of incel. In any case of whichever incel they are, the act of going out and having a social life and flirting and going on dates it all just awful and terrible and see it as a waste of time if they don't get their reward at the end of the trials and tribulations.For normies and everyone else - going out dancing or watching a movie with someone is actually fun and its own reward. Not a Jesterfarming Clownpilled Humiliationvibed Ritualmaxxer or whatever
>>83995035I assume he's a feral thirdie who operates exclusively on the premise that you have to aggressively sexually pursue women you're kind of attracted to because if you don't then they're a man or something. Idk man, thirdcels are essentially braindead monkeys.
>>83995026>obviouslyBut you just said you never learned that women are not men? Do you equally expect other men to have sex with you?
>>83995042>To an incel that sounds like a nightmare and an ordeal to struggle through as long as there's the possibility of having sex. Or not having sex, and the possibility only having sex after marriage with another epic virgin, if they're that other kind of incel.Or, you know, the very realistic prospect of being publically humiliated for the umpteenth time because they don't fit in the Overton window of normies. But that would actually humanize incels and you obviously don't want that.
>>83995035Some people truly think equality means being a feminine cuck who never acts like a man. I treat men and women the same, but I treat girls Im interested in like girls I am interested in
>>83995002everything from a sea slugs to an exotic bird and all sorts of monkeys and apes has to do "humiliation rituals" of flashing some colors and doing a little dance or collecting shells or twigs and sparkly objects or whatever to impress le female.and in some cases it's females who go around collecting sand or doing a little bug dance.In any case, you're the one complaining about it.>Do most men enjoy the process of dating and relationships?Yes.
>>83995058>dont fit in with humans>but they are somehow still humans?
>>83994050I think I like making the first move ONLY because if I'm the one doing it then it means I'm unquestionably attracted to her. When women hit on me, I'm basically never attracted to them. I mean a lot of them look good, some are even just my type, and I wanted to hit on them already, but when they put the heat on me unexpectedly I become a deer in the headlights and start getting scared, because things are now happening outside of my control.EXCEPT for this one chick who was so slow and patient in her approach I warmed up to her and kissed her on the cheek. But I still wasn't interested in a relationship, or banging.Usually when I don't reciprocate to their attempts to be particularly friendly they end up getting butthurt. Looking depressed. One obese cute asian girl at the bank with a big ass kept waving at me and saying hi. I was doing security. I guess I wasn't being friendly ENOUGH in return even though I tried to be (I'm very introverted), so when she walked out the front door, it looked like she was in a huge hurry and avoided eye contact. I guess she was too extroverted for me anyway.
>>83995058>publically humiliated for the umpteenth timetell us what happened please
>>83995074Equality means treating people equally and not having any particular expectations about someone based on immutable characteristics like race or gender. In an equal society, gender roles and expectations don't exist like that.
>>83995026So you expect men to have sex with you? Are you gay?
>>83994234Brock lesnar: Life's not about making friends.
>>83995051>Do you equally expect other men to have sex with you?What the fuck are you even talking about now?
chad doesn't need to tryaverage men have to be a bird doing a mating dance humiliation ritual
>>83995098Where did I say I expected anyone at all to have sex with me, retard?
>>83995089Equality means treating people based on the content of their character, and giving equal opportunity. Im not going to treat a p3d0 the same way as a healthy person, I would just put them in jail. But Im also not going to throw all incels in jail just based on prejudice. Gender roles will always exist just because genders have roles by definition. But masculine women can take more of mens roles if they want in an equal and free society. Most women arent masculine so you have no reason to expect that
>>83995076>bro we totally live in an environment that's exactly like nature because uhhhhhhhh colors or somethingThanks for reiterating my point, retard.>>83995080>only normies are humans I never saw incels as humanThanks for reiterating my point, retard.These 'arguments' are so painfully fucking stupid I refuse to believe you're arguing in good faith.
>>83995102I date girls with the expectation that our relationship will become sexual. It sounds like incels just expect sex from everyone they talk to, which is almost all men.
>>83995119Im not reiterating anything. Incels have no reason to complain. Fit in or shut the fuck up. Do the work.
>>83995127>date girls with the expectation that our relationship will become sexual. It sounds like incels just expect sex from everyone they talk to, which is almost all men.Do you have schizophrenia?
It's actually shocking to see how many young men are actually submissive or girly in the worst ways possible. Growing up on 4chan I thought that's the norm until I met my boyfriend, who genuinely thrives in being the active and dominant pursuer. A man who actually enjoys putting me into a passive or "baby" role and dotes on me.For everyone here almost it seems like you deeply resent that concept. You hate it, you want to be the baby or pursued, seduced, ""raped"" (lol) or taken. What the fuck happened to men?
>>83995139>BE THIS THING THAT CORPORATIONS CONVINCED ME PEOPLE SHOULD BE LIKE OR SUFFERNot a good look, Becky.
>>83995116>Gender roles will always exist just because genders have roles by definitionSo everyone is equal but we all still have very strict expectations in regards to how men and women are meant to behave and shouldn't actually be treated the same? Makes sense. Wish people never shilled this fucking equality meme so hard when I was a kid. What a load of bullshit. Nothing but a bunch of conditioning that runs counter to reality
>>83994050>Do most men enjoying being the "pursuer"? I mean, in that they are expected to make the first move, and they are expected to curate an experienceNo I despise it but thats the way it works so you have to do it.Youre supposed to plan everything, do everything and not expect her to take part in anythingThats just part of what men do.
>>83995146low T and microplastics
>>83994385I mean there is a difference between someone behaving like a baby and someone preferring an assertive woman.Like I don't need someone to tell me to clean my shit or do something. Nor do I want a mommy. Hell I don't mind doing most of such stuff myself since I like cooking and don't mind cleaning etc.What I meant is I want someone who will show they are passionate and attracted to me. Like yk ask me out first. Or if we are in a relationship, act in an assertive manner when it comes to stuff like sex.Behaving like a baby is cringe. But so is having to be some daddy alpha leader whatever, at least for me.
>>83995146>What the fuck happened to men?You should ask women since they fought for decades to make young men less masculine.
>>83995158Yeah thats why we tell retards to touch grass. In reality men are not women. Incels and femcels are delusional.
>>83995162Yeah I opened the catalog and first thing I see is a "men getting pegged" thread with over 150 active replies.
>>83995144Do you think schizos should be treated differently?
>>83995167buhuhu someone enjoys being submissive and doesn't want to make me feel like a toddler who doesn't have to do anything or put in any effort.
>>83995146I always just wanted an equal partnership with a woman. That's what I was told to expect too. Blame feminism I guess.
>>83995165I would prefer to ask men. >women foughtActual cuck
>>83995171Like as far as face to face interaction goes? No? My uncle's schizophrenic. I just treat him like everyone else
>>83995173It doesn't really affect me because I'm with a man who loves to baby me and actively even pushes for it even when I protest, but I just feel bad for other women who have to settle for a lesbian relationship with a feminized man.>>83995177Equal meaning what?
>>83995180>uhhhh you want to watch your partner getting fucked by someone else if you say that man-hating women infiltrated institutions to make young men less masculineAre you okay?
>>83995189Well good on you for being a good little tradwife. Not everyone enjoys that.
>>83995189>Equal meaning whatShared effort, expectations, treatment, etc. The fuck do you people think equal means?
>>83995189>a lesbian relationship with a feminized manyeah I feel bad for those women too since they get the shit beaten out of them lol (that's what lesbian relationships are like babe)
>>83995177Are you a feminist? Did you know there are other ideologies which are actually successful for relationships?
>>83995200You see for them being equal means that the man does everything for them, puts in all the effort, makes all decisions to absolve them of any responsibility, and probably makes all the money too, while they just behave like a starfish and spend their time like a 4 year old glued to their iPad. But it's okay because they are the 'prize' and their mere presence off-sets anything a man does
>>83995200Why would shared effort mean that you act like a woman?
>>83995200So you're the kind of nigga who wants his wife to work and pay 50% of the rent? Lmao.>>83995201Nah, you never read that study. Women who only dated women had the lowest % of domestic violence. Women who PREVIOUSLY DATED MEN and then started to be lesbian, had the highest. Due to the men beating the shit out of them.
>>83995203>other ideologies which are actually successful for relationships?Sure but those don't view women as equals. Which is what I would prefer. Though that's obviously pretty unrealistic
>>83995211>So you're the kind of nigga who wants his wife to work and pay 50% of the rent? Lmao.So you're the kind of nigga who wants her husband to work and pay 100% of everything while you just exist and probably cheat on them because they are not at home a lot of the time?You are a literal leech.
>>83995214Why? What do you gain from ruining your life?
>>83995210>shared effort mean that you act like a woman?Why is starting a conversation or having a conversation started with you seem as a male or female thing at all?
>>83995211>women beating the shit out of other women>actually men's fault because Im a widdle baby with no responsibiwitieeeeesMmmm delicious double standards, as expected.
>>83995209Definitely seems like it lol
>>83995221See how you avoided the question because you know how gay you're gonna sound. >>83995226No, the women didn't cause the rate of violence. Lesbians only dating women had the lowest rate of domestic violence. Only lesbians who previously dated men and got beaten up by them, had the highest history of domestic violence due to the men beating them up. Retard.
>>83995119>totally live in an environment that's exactly like natureThe American idea that nature only exists 40 minutes outside of cities, and we're not part of the same compost pile we call earth as everything else.That's how everyone ended up with microplastics in their blood
>>83995222It's just what seems right to me. I want to treat people equally. This is like asking why I don't just murder people. It's because it feels wrong to me.
>>83995211>kind of nigga who wants his wife to work and pay 50% of the rentYes, that is what equal means.
>>83995237>women only did this because of MEN everything bad is because of MEN I hate MEN and want to see them humiliated>women never do anything wrong btwGod I wish I was a woman so I could go through life without being accountable or having to look inward even once. Such a mindnumbingly easy existence.
>>83995042> to the movies, a night club, concerts or a music festival. To an incel that sounds like a nightmare and an ordeal to struggleNo, id actually like it. But ive never lived in places that had any of these nor did i ever find people to attend those with
>>83995224What kind of conversation?
I know that the men complaining ITT are 100% sissies. I'm a straight (maybe slightly bisexual, but high preference for men) tall woman and even I want to spoil, protect and provide for cute girls. I open the doors for my female friends, I carry them, I buy them little gifts and dote on them. And I don't even love them or want to fuck them. That's just the energy pretty girls give off. How can you be a grown ass ""straight"" man with dick and balls and want to behave like a gay dude? You're insane.
>>83995246So you can't read. The women didn't do the "beating up" part in the study. Men did. Hope this helps.>>83995244HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAGood luck out there nigga
>>83994050Always found that shit degrading especially because foids are worthless and boring
>>83995254>Good luck out there niggaOkay
>>83995249least gay "straight" foid
>>83995240Its objectively wrong to treat intimate partners the same as complete strangers. Its like saying you would completely ignore your own family
>>83995254You claim that women only beat up their women spouses because men used to do it to them. You see how that directly ties into my post about women shifting blame for literally everything, yeah? Jesus christ you are fucking dumb.
>>83995267No... the study never said that that lesbian women beat up their spouses at the highest rate. It says that lesbians who dated men in the past have the highest history of experiencing domestic violence in their life. And women who only dated other women have the LOWEST history of violence.
>>83995248Any conversation I guess. I just don't see why pursuing a relationship first is seen as a male or female thing.
>>83995042what is this shit about. i know plenty of girls who are homebodies and their idea of a fun night out is pizza and board games. some people just don't enjoy loud crowded places.
>>83995264>intimate partnersIf we're just talking about who is initiating what first, they wouldn't be an intimate partner at that point? Obviously if you're close to someone, you would treat them better than a stranger. But I don't see why there should be such uneven expectations. What are a woman's responsibilities in a relationship then?
I do NOT and I really mean NOT enjoy being in the role of the 'pursuer' it's one of the things I hate the most about being male. I can't begin to describe to you the unfathomable, profound and absolute hatred I hold towards this. I just can't.
>>83995276Women are generally not actively looking for a relationship and are less decisive. There is a greater inherent and cultural risk to a woman individually pursuing a man, and even if we are talking about social groups and matchmaking, there is a natural order to how relationships develop. If you want to claim you are above that and never eat food or breathe air or whatever thats fine. Conversations are a mutual concept. Acting like a woman in a conversation is not attractive to women.
>>83995298it sucks to be a man and have to play this stupid absolutely retarded game with women, it's unfair, it's humiliating, it is not fun in the slightest whatsoever and it's incredibly risky.
>>83995298there are dangerous risks for men to pursue women.there are no risks for women to pursue men.
Pro-tip: when a woman brings up equality, what she REALLY means is that she wants to discard her own gender roles because those are icky and hard BUT a man must hold onto his own gender roles because it wouldn't be convenient for the woman otherwise. And men fell for this trick because they assumed that when women say 'equality' they mean it in the definitive sense of the word and not the rhetorical subversion that's our current reality. Imagine a guy who 'fights for equality' but actually wants women to be careerwomen and breadwinners while he himself just does whatever he wants because it's convenient. Not very respectable or fair, is it? That's the reality men have been suffering through for YEARS. It's disgusting.
>>83995298>Acting like a womanGenuinely don't even get what that really means. People are just people to me. I don't really get it. And I have pursued women I've been interested in and been in one relationship before. But I wasn't acting like a man or a woman to do it. I just got to know someone and we ended up liking each other. Do normal people really view everything through a lens of acting like a man or acting like a woman?
>>83995318I don't even understand why men don't run the moment they talk about equality. You should never be around people that want things to work like some weird transaction where everything is balanced.This includes friends as well, anyone trying to play a game of fairness are normally the most exploitative pos you'll ever meet.
>>83995290Women should act like women. They are usually feminine and more flexible and have an affinity for taking care of and supporting the man. A confident guy can get girls to do even the most stupid shit possible.
if you aren't Chad, pursuing a woman will have you labeled as creepy and she'll ruin your life. It's not worth it and it's annoying to play all these mind games.
>>83995247>ive never lived in places that had any of thesedo you live on a farm?>nor did i ever find people to attend those withwere you homeschooled? where are your friends?>>83995278>what is this shit about. Just the general concept of going out to places and having a social life and "touching grass" as the meme goes. Normies enjoy touching grass, incels see touching grass as an ordeal without a guaranteed treat at the end,.>i know plenty of girls who are homebodies and their idea of a fun night out is pizza and board games. some people just don't enjoy loud crowded places.A movie theater can be loud I guess, but crowded? That almost never happens.There's also quieter places you can go on dates at like a museum or going to a stage play or book reading/signing or just walking around a park or something.and to your point/example I know those girl and even they still want to hang out and play board games with 8 of their closest friends. To an incel, the idea of having to go out to this gir's apartment and having to socially compete against other guys and play Settlers of Catan or something without a blowjob as a big thank you for hanging out with them is just dreadful and not worth it. They might be publiclypilled humiliationmaxxed.
>>83995314> it's unfair, >it's humiliatingIn what way? You decide if you want to ask her out or not and her "no" should have no impact on you as whatever women you get will need you more than the other way around. Do you get emotionally upset when you just don't get your way?
>>83995343>to an incel this is [fantasized caricature of shit you only see on social media] Lmao you should go outside and touch grass yourself for once given how absurdly out of touch you are.
>>83995314You are brainwashed by trans ideology.>>83995317Lol>>83995332No not everything. But men arent women, thats probably what you struggle with the most. If you have a normal stable relationship then we arent talking about you, and exceptions do exist where feminine men get with masculine women. If you get two masculine people together they will be incompatible, but even there you might have exceptions like in a transactional relationship
>>83995364>transactional relationship>exceptionIt's 2008 again? Thank fucking GOD.
>>83995378Yeah most men are not rich yet. Maybe someday. I could concede that most retards are in parasocial relationships though.
>>83995364>You are brainwashed by trans ideology.I'm not even trans what in the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>83995249>>83995273>>83995298>>83995314I'm a new anon, why should I (from a risk management perspective) bind myself to this masculine expectation? From a certain viewpoint, you're advocating for it based on your self interest (in theory) and using shaming tactics to do so, which is very common even from progressive women (fags taking over this board is a well noted trend that no one really cares about anymore, same as you tiktok migrants). Do you have the self awareness to understand the experience of being a below average or even average to above average male? And in the context of the evolving gender roles environment. So you're like another variation of tradcucks (who also want males to do x or y without any real nuance) but your motive is because "it feels better" for you.
>>83995364>LolYou know it's true. There's plenty of risks and possible consequences for men to pursue women but women run zero risks by pursuing a man, they have nothing to lose and you know that it's true, that's why your response is a shitty 'lol' instead of addressing the actual point. You're a retard.
>>83995395>expecting spoiled holes to argue in good faithWasted effort mate
>>83994050The turntables after you "conquer" a woman and have sex with her, though.
I like pursuing, but only when it goes both ways. If a woman doesn't reciprocate I don't bother anymore. Real women know how to initiate and receive, when you experience it you can't go back. Too many women nowadays want to be courted but don't take up their own role in the dance, when meeting new women I dip the second things feel one sided.When I was in my 20s I was more naive and would try harder to win women over, but now that I'm in my 30s and have a variety of relationships under my belt, I understand that if a women isn't immediately engaged, her attention is always going to be divided and inevitably it WILL max out, even if you get a W short term.Thinking things will "get better if she sees the real you" or whatever is just cope. Men should be more active in the initial stages than women, but if a woman doesn't know how to create a nurturing environment for that, making it enjoyable for both parties, there's bound to be other issues later on. I also believe that as a relationship goes on, women should become more active when they often become less - so many problems in relationships simply stem from people not feeling desired anymore.I also have no patience for women who can't express themselves or their feelings; I don't give a fuck if a girl is interested and is just too shy or intimidated to express it - that ALWAYS leads to problems further down the line. If a girl can't express positive emotions, imagine what she'll do with negative ones. That's the sort of stuff that REALLY eats away at a relationship and will set you up for big surprises later on.Ngl the biggest dating advice I'd give to younger non-incel anons is to only invest in women who indicate they actually want your investment. Also learn to distinguish lovebombing/bpd behavior from genuine interest asap. I think a lot of guys naturally become more immune to that as they mature but it's something I had so many problems with in my teens and 20s.
>having to be the loser of the game who is the pursuer rather than the desired, the valued and the pursuedGod I hate being male...
>>83995388>it sucks being my own gender
>>83995426>it sucks being my own genderand? That doesn't mean I'm trans, I'm just acknowledging that it sucks. Do you interpret everything you're told in extremes?
>>83995400You have no point. You are just switching the genders on what I said. Let me try to do the same thing and you can address my point or you are a coward>men do not have a penis>women have large penis
>>83995426So if you're a man you can't lament current the plight of men? What? Holy shit you are braindead.
>>83994685Exactly lol. That's where this whole meme came from. That's why some people call it jestergooning. Women have acknowledged that they see men texting them on dating apps as jesters trying to impress them.
>>83995425What are you losing exactly?
>>83995237No, I am just showing you the logical conclusion of your line of thinking.
>>83995442Unless you are a Chad, you are the loser of the game. You're a loser by default. You're a loser who has to jump through hoops to "maybe" get the attention, recognition or a 'yes' from a woman who knows the game, is teasing you and is playing games with you even though she knows full well from the start she's gonna say no, she wastes your time, energy, interest and resources into enjoying the attention and being sought out.You're losing your dignity, your time, your effort, you're the loser in every way in this 'game' you play. How do you not see that you're the loser in every way? My turn to ask you a question, what do you NOT lose?
>>83995432No I just called you brainwashed. My frame of reference for being a man is what I already am. It doesnt suck to be born a man, it might suck to be discriminated based on your gender or maybe lumped in with other men who are dog shit, but you have the entire perspective backwards
>>83995463You're definitely aware that women have it easier and funner than men do in this world. I hate that as a man I'm automatically in the embarrassing losing side and have to be subjected to biased humiliation rituals that work against me. Imagine how good it must feel to be sought out, desired and pursued, yeah good luck with that as a man unless you're Chad or very rich.
>>83995403>>83995455For you and all of the active posters and lurkers in this thread.What is there (that you have actually experienced) that made you feel masculine? I don't think any of these posters understand the lived experience of a non-top-percentile male and I am the only one who kind of sees some kind of shoujo male lead projection happening here? I think we can naturally conclude that this is simply not in our best interests, it's like opening a short with 500x leverage.
>>83995455>You're a loser who has to jump through hoops to "maybe" get the attentionWhy are you jumping though hoops? Play games you want to play.>You're losing your dignity, your time, your effort, you're the loser in every way in this 'game' you play. They way you are playing it? Yes. Fucksakes dude can any of you even explain to me why you do that shit to yourself? What idiot sold you the lie that cold pick ups are the way to go about things?
I wonder what the thought process is behind these women who refuse to do any pursuing and want to just wait like an amorphous blob until a man prods them so they react.And more specifically, why the same excuses can't be applied to guys. >oh it's lot of effort>oh I don't want to appear stupid>etc.the same can be applied to any man. just admit you are selfish and lazy, don't try to frame it as some natural truth or whatever.the only reason why it's not 'natural' for women to pursue men was because most of history women were treated like commodities passed around by men and would be mauled, exiled or killed for acting up. but we live in modern times where that is not true. So unless you want to go back to those times, then you have no argument other than the fact you are lazy cowards
>>83994708>thats not what boys looking for mommy can domost boys/men looking for "mommy" are simply tired of being a rock instead of a human. they can, indeed, cook. anyone can cook. its piss easy.keyword is most, as you seem to have chosen the WORST example of this to fuck. this isnt an issue with him, so much as it is with you. i dunno who hurt you, but you need to do better.
>>83995484your way or approach doesn't matter, women know the advantage they have and always use it, you're blind. The situation, the circumstances, the way changes nothing because woman know the game and play it like pros exploiting all their advantages.
>>83995480I've read your post 6 times and I have no clue wtf you're trying to talk about
>>83995475No I dont, because I dont relate to being a woman and nobody brainwashed me into thinking I can. I dont want anyone pounding my bussy or harassing me over what I wear. I dont want to carry babies or have a period. And theres never a question in my mind about that, in terms of gender wars slop the only thing that I can relate to is being a more successful man or a more useless man
>>83995494and god forbid the men ever wants to feel a little bit appreciated or loved. like you care for them.and normally you show that care by initiating something because it takes effort. and that effort shows you care. because anyone can be in a passive role regardless of it they are passionate about you or if they just tolerate you for their own benefit.
>>83995360>[fantasized caricature of shit you only see on social media]I like how just going to the movies on a date is something that's borderline unimaginable to you and must be a social media illusion
>>83995510>I dont want anyone pounding my bussy or harassing me over what I wear. I dont want to carry babies or have a period. And theres never a question in my mind about thatexcept I never suggested to those things? You are completely off topic with this shit, this isn't even what I addressed or what I was talking about. You're not even making a point that addresses what I was addressing in the first place.>Imagine how good it must feel to be sought out, desired and pursued, yeah good luck with that as a man unless you're Chad or very rich.This was the point I made, where exactly did I talk about pounding bussy or carrying babies? Are you retarded?
>>83994931Exactly this. So much of the asymmetry in heterosexual relationships is because of how society (patriarchy) treats men and women differently. Men are expected to dominate and women are expected to support (it's not as overt anymore, of course). This makes women feel ignored and powerless, and makes men feel stressed and impotent if they fail at "manhood".Dominance in the modern world manifests as confidence, assertiveness, taking the initiative, pursuing, etc. Men aren't expected to look pretty and society doesn't glamorize them. Women on the other hand are objectified and put on pedestals. Women become a status symbol for men in a subtle way where a man's worth is measured by whether or not he has 'felt the touch of a woman'. Women are judged by how pretty and friendly they are.
>>83995528>This makes women feel ignored and powerless,explain this for me? how and why would they feel that way?
>>83994965The concepts of 'game' and 'pickup lines' need to fucking die
>>83995501>The situation, the circumstances, the way changes nothing because woman know the game and play it like pros exploiting all their advantagecool don't play their game or do like your forefathers and play the game when you are in high school. That's where you all got fucked, you were told to wait around too long and now all the girls that are worth picking up were snatched up when you were a teenager. Isn't strange that societies are rotting away after the first full generation was told to wait to settle down? Shouldn't that alarm us all that half of the populations misery comes from the fact they were told to "not rush" in their youth? You got played by something worse than women anon.
>>83995522I would not feel good to be sought out by men. And most Chads get sick of that attention too, your better example is cult leaders and also you are mentally LGBT retarded because you initially said it sucks to be a man, not that it sucks to be an autistic friendless cuck
>>83994050When I told this girl I liked to make a move on me, she said I should be the one doing that.>Ditched her, went after another>Made a move>She said 'No'Whatevers
>>83995455Chad I firmly think is a boogeyman. There are many examples of "chads" that get divorce raped for all they have anyway. Maybe being good looking prolongs the timer for a relationship's end and make the relationship easier or possible to begin with, but the ultimate result will be the same.Women are never ever happy more than in the short term, and they will always think they can do better. It doesn't matter who you are
>>83995578Did your parents get divorced, cuck.
>>83995554>I would not feel good to be sought out by men.Where did I ever say being sought out by MEN? As a male I'm talking about being sought out by women. You absolute shit brained retard.>And most Chads get sick of that attention tooOh, so suddenly we're talking about being sought out by women? Like I originally was? Except when you felt like moving the goal post, right?>your better example is cult leaders and also you are mentally LGBT retarded because you initially said it sucks to be a man,It does suck to be a man, the role sucks, the game sucks and is biased against us, it fucking sucks. It just sucks. Acknowledging this doesn't make someone a part of the LGBT or a tranny, what the fuck kind of line of thinking do you have?>not that it sucks to be an autistic friendless cuckrandom assumptions and strawman, shooting your shot in the dark hoping you'll hit something or hopefully be right, and yet you're wrong.You're an absolute fucking retard. The moment you went with the "not that it sucks to be an autistic friendless cuck" line where you randomly try to insult the other person with random and imagined assumptions while thinking you're hitting a bullseye showed how fucking brain rotten you are. You outed yourself as an absolute moron and what's worse is that you're not the only one on4chan who tries to 'argue' like that, what the fuck causes this mentality of "I'll throw a random strawman or accusation and hit the bullseye! Get OWNED!" when you know nothing about the anonymous person on the other side? Were you born from incest or something?
>>83994050>Do most men enjoying being the "pursuer"? I mean, in that they are expected to make the first move, and they are expected to curate an experience for a women they are courting? Do they like being on "the hunt"?As a teenager I kinda enjoyed since I assumed women were sitting there waiting for guys to make a move and when it happened it was an understanding this both were engaged in the situation and were hoping to get together. I didnt realize until later that women all had 100 different options at a time and played with men for fun
>>83995586You're either a hole or a very feminized man with no relationship experience. Which one is it
>>83994751The voices are herSpectral blowjob!THINK!!
>>83995211>So you're the kind of nigga who wants his wife to work and pay 50% of the rent?Yes?
>>83995578Good point, but this doesn't disprove what I've said about how men are the losers in this stupid game they have to play. My main point was that men have a lot to lose from this and run a ton of risks while pursuing men has 0 risks or consequences for women.
>>83995609Noooo! You need to want to work hard all the tim so that your wife can do nothing and scroll Instagram at home while reels tell her over and over again you are not doing enough for her
>>83995602>using a strawman as a comeback.wow you uh...totally...ripped that anon a new one or uh...or something!
>>83995293Same. It's made even worse by being socially anxious.
>>83995587You said it sucks to be a man. Women are sought out by men.
>>83994121>but at the end of the day if I am really interested in a woman I will force myself to pursue her.It really amounts to this. Picrelated.
>>83995610Yes, but think of it in a different way: it's a game with no winning condition, so play a different game, don't take them seriously. This involves being comfortable with loneliness though, but such is life.>>83995618Ok hole.
>>83995624The whole game is just retarded as fuck. The disadvantaged side is supposed to take all the risks and consequences that comes with those risks while the winning side is given complete power and gets to choose who from the disadvantaged side wins, and they can choose a winner just to exploit him.
>>83995602I asked if your parents are divorced, cuckold. Ive been married for 11 years. Most straight guys are in stable relationships and thats not even debatable. You think the default is that women are fickle so I assumed that came from how you were raised
>>83995645>Most straight guys are in stable relationshipsOnly the ones over 30
>>83995627>You said it sucks to be a man. Women are sought out by men.there's no way you're this fucking idiotic. The entire subject of this thread is men being the pursuers and women being the pursued, I also never hint at wanting to be pursued by men. Me saying it sucks to be a man does not mean I want to be pursued by men, how the fuck do you even draw such a conclusion? How do you make such an insane jump in logic and think you're smart? Do you have reading comprehension or logic problems? You seriously seem like you're special needs, autistic or have microcephaly.
>>83995631>Yes, but think of it in a different way: it's a game with no winning conditionthat's not true, the winning condition is getting a partner. That's the condition that needs to be met in order to 'win' and even then you didn't completely win, the woman still holds all the power. How do you not know that?
>>83995660We are talking about men and women, not your trans ideology.>but what if everything in the real world was a completely different thing that satisfies my fantasies?Based retard
>>83995645Kek, you're trying to shame me so badly. What are you protecting or coping with? What are you so offended by?Does your wife beat you or henpeck you? Don't take it out on us.>11 yearsI could've been with a woman that was 20 years into a marriage, she was extremely available to me and she was the archetypical "trad" and "respectful" wife. Marriage doesn't mean anything, women can change at any moment if the feelings are strong enough
>>83995631>Ok hole.>uses ad hominem attack against someone he perceives to be a woman, attacking the person's identity rather than any point or argument.genius anon here you guys
>>83995649half of all men and women in their 30s are single and without kids.
>>83995494>the only reason why it's not 'natural' for women to pursue men was because most of history women were treated like commodities passed around by men and would be mauled, exiled or killed for acting up. but we live in modern times where that is not true. So unless you want to go back to those times, then you have no argument other than the fact you are lazy cowardsThis is the crux of incel (affectionately) psychology. Incels, for the most part, like the concept of gender equality, it's just that they don't see it actually practiced.
>>83994893Ok we agree that men are the more active, competent sex. Then do we also agree that women shouldn't be allowed to have jobs or control the finances? If you argue against one side of the feminist coin but not the other one, then no one here is going to take you seriously. You're no different than the entire culture telling men to "man up" and do everything without expecting any reciprocation from women. If you want traditional gender roles, it goes both ways.
>>83995679>things could be bad if they are not goodWhat is this cope? If you parents never divorced then you have no argument. Youre just yapping for the sake of it. Most relationships are nice once you pass the two year test. If you get unlucky, that sucks. But its not based on chromosomes
>>83995688Only 1 in 200 women have had children historically
>>83995341And even if you have rizz and know exactly what to say, they will still send all your messages to the girls group chat and talk about you behind your back
>>83995694>women were treated like commodities passed around by men and would be mauled,Women treat themselves as goods to be exchanged. Every interaction with them involves a value calculation inside their minds>>83995717>ignoring the overarching trends because of personal, anecdotal experienceLook at divorce stats. 50% of marriages end in divorce, 70-80% of those are initiated by women.
>>8399572680% of women throughout history reproduced. Where are you getting that number?
>>83994891If she was hot enough, you wouldn't hesitate to pursue her. Adding a woman on some messaging app is the lowest effort activity imaginable, yet it conveys to her that you are attracted enough to proactively communicate with her. It's a win-win.
>>83995674>not your trans ideology.here you go again with the strawman, you don't have the intelligence to talk, argue, debate or do any back and forth with someone. Stop replying to me you dumbfuck.
>>83995730It was never 50%. Only around 16% of marriages end in divorce unless you include 80 year olds. And most people are fat that doesnt mean i need to be fathttps://flowingdata.com/2016/03/30/divorce-rates-for-different-groups/
>>83995727that's even more true than you think it is. I know a ton of girls who do this shit and I do mean a ton. It's common to the point of being almost a 100% guarantee.
>>83995752>I want to be a woman but still be biologically male, and also be desired by biological females who act like menWhat do we call this, schizo?
>>83995343>do you live on a farm?In a village with only old people>were you homeschooled? where are your friends?Went to an all guy school. My friends are single too.
>>83994960See, you have clearly bpught into the feminist brainwashing>We're equal but only when it benefits ME. I still want to be treated like a princess when I'm dating.You can't have it both ways. Either you accept traditional feminine roles in all aspects of life, or you accept the feminist delusion that women and men are interchangeable and thus men pursuing women cannot be the assumed norm. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.>>83994938Most men fell victim to the programming, brother. It's nothing to be ashamed of. But now that you're aware of it, you have to activelu fight against it. That means assuming male gender roles but it also means holding women accountable to female gender roles. A simp is basically a man who does the former but not the latter. And definitely do not argue with feminist women about this topic. They don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about.
I think for most guys it's not even about being the one to ask for a date (if the the woman gives actual hints she wants to, not some retarded 'I moved my eyelid 1 mm upwards'). But in a relationship, everyone wants to feel loved. I am sure most guys would love to have their gf initiate sex to show she is actually interested in it. And for the rest, they want equality for both sides to be equal in making decisions and doing things. But instead a lot of women just want everything done for them where they have to put in no emotional effort into anything
>>83995773>I want to be a woman>What do we call this, schizo?can you take a screenshot or quote exactly where the anon said he wanted to be a woman? if you quote it be sure to quote the anon's post directly and if you take a screenshot show the whole phrase so it's not taken out of context. It's recommended to have both a screenshot and a quote. Looking forward to seeing them.
>>83995784I accept gender roles. I also accept that you are clueless.
>>83994050Dating for men below 7/10 in looks is overrated.Spend hours of time and money to get sex from a smelly run through woman. The girls you can beat to in porn are 1000x hotter. and women will cheat on you and destroy your self esteem
>>83995807your post cannot be more tragically underrated.
>>83995797Quoting what, schizo? He thinks it would be good to be a woman, only through trans mental gymnastics where he can still be a man and just be treated like a woman by women who act like men. Youll never hear a straight guy say it sucks to be a man, compared to being a woman. At worst they just say it sucks to be alive.
>>83994068>why I am not interesting to any girl>interestingyou're chopped, that's the problem lol>>83994050yes, but a woman value drops greatly after 25. It's nice being able to pursue young pussy when older as a man.
>>83995167Those posts are also not organic. This place is flooded with troonery and faggotry on a daily basis. There is a handful of discord trannies who raid 4chan and post that vile garbage.
>>83995822are you like, dumb or something? are you retarded?
>>83995343>gir's apartment and having to socially compete against other guys and play Settlers of Catan or something >at like a museum or going to a stage play or book reading/signing or just walking around a park or something.Id want to do any of these with a girl. We meet with friends and actually play settlers of catan and risk.
>>83995829No. Is that a tranime picture and are you really a girl?
>>83995146>What the fuck happened to men?Before we could even form coherent rational thoughts, we were systematically shamed for being masculine and told that women and men are fundamentally interchangeable. The entire culture is designed around feminizing men and masculinizing women.
>>83995822excuse me but why aren't you quoting and providing a screenshot if you're right? we're waiting. You're right, aren't you? Then it should be easy to prove so just do it and win the argument.
>>83995823>you're chopped, that's the problem lolnah desu I am probably a Chad-lite by standards of this sub lmao. I am young, 188 cm, not fat, not bald, have a decently attractive face (6-7/10), studying at good university, not poor etc. But I am submissive when it comes to sex stuff and women aren't into that so oh well
>>83995822>still waiting for that quote or screenshot, or both.
>>83995855>male>submissivelol
>>83995859>tfw when schizos just screenshotmaxx and never read the thread
>>83995318>Pro-tip: when a woman brings up equality, what she REALLY means is that she wants to discard her own gender roles because those are icky and hard BUT a man must hold onto his own gender roles because it wouldn't be convenient for the woman otherwise.Finally, someone who gets it. This is why men are pissed off and think feminism is a giant scam - because it is.
>>83995801I accept that you are not the person I was replying to and you're just some interloper faggot trying to sow discord. Begone.
>>83994774Fucking thank you my god finally a sensible person in this mad culture war degeneracy. Thank god we just kill our leftists so we don't have this insanity in my culture. Fuck the West you people are cooked.
>>83995864it's quite an unfortunate state of existence indeed
>>83995855>u I am probably a Chad-lite by standards of this sub lmao. I am young, 188 cm, not fat, not bald, have a decently attractive face (6-7/10), studying at good university, not poor etc.None of that is interesting or Chad Lite, being a 20 year old guy with a face and body and hair who goes to college doesn't make you unique or even interesting or some sort of Neo-Chad.You sound like a chronically uptight nerd whose main excuse is "sorry I have homework that's due 3 weeks from now" > But I am submissive when it comes to sex stuff and women aren't into that so oh wellYou've had 0 sex with 0 women so how would you know
>>83995867>tfwthis stands for 'that face when' and yet you posted no image showing any facial expression or reaction. You couldn't even do that right. You're an actual fucking retard who doesn't even understand what he is saying. Even if what you meant to say was 'that feel when' you still didn't post any image to express any feelings or emotions, therefore nullifying your own post. You're an idiot.>tfw you're arguing with a retard
>>83994050I had a fear of rejection, so no.After our second date, my wife told me that I had to invite her out next time. So, I did.
>>83995888I said men cannot get pregnant and you called me a feminist. You are a retard
>>83995899>None of that is interesting or Chad LiteNot him but those are better stats than 95% of men
>>8399592399% of men are basically just weaker versions of women
>>83994891Women want to be pursued, dominated, and conquered by strong assertive masculine men. She doesn't want another woman she wants a >man< . Feminist brainwashing has probably mind fucked you but go back to our simplest stories of "strong knight slays bad dragon and rescues beautiful princess" to know what men are since we've all forgotten what masculinity is.
>>83995899>None of that is interestingidk what you consider interesting? I mean I travelled to exotic countries, I lead a student association, I have fun hobbies like writing, photography, cooking etc. I guess I am not a drug addict which would make me more interesting.>You've had 0 sex with 0 women so how would you knowI had a long-distance situationship or two (though I do not count those because) and hang around bdsm cicles so I am well aware of my sexuality. besides one can gauge their reaction when they imagine being in some position in a sexual sitation.
>>83995914>>83994938>Treated equally doesnt mean you have equal gender roles or similar expectations, moronThis statement is completely incoherent and precisely the kind of shit that feminists say on a regular basis. You accept feminist priors whether you're consciously aware of it or not
>>83995089There's nothing such as true equality in the real world. We're all inequal from the moment we're born to the moment we die. This is some Marxist-lite shit that gives me lynsenkoist vibes. Lysenkoism killed dozens of millions of people in the USSR before they realized it was retarded btw
everything about being the pursuer sucks.
>>83994050Redpillers delude themselves into believing that women are basically children or mentally retarded in order to endure it without getting depressed. I know this opinion will be unpopular, and some of you will say "but women are children", but you know that it's not really like that. They just have to dehumanize women so the constant rejections don't hurt, and that says a lot. The dating market is dysfunctional, and t.b.h, would benefit from some kind of arrangement and order, or at least something to prevent hypergamy by chads.I think being the pursuer could feel good. I mean, it gives you control over your chances, by giving you a better chance to get a gf by hitting on more women. Getting rejected does not feel good but it is merely a reflection of unalterable facial features and height that you have, and nothing else. If you can deal with that you can then gain more power over your dating success by having the ability to hit on more women for better chances to get a date with one of them.Of course women won't like this and will disagree because they want you to only hit on women who you really like and are special to you, or something, and if you spam approaches they get muh ick. But what tf are average looking men supposed to do then. The chances to get a date are abysmal if we don't hit on a lot of women.I've also seen women on reddit (aka idiots by definition) say that they hate being hit on by men, and even the few who were ok with it said it like "i try to be polite because they didnt really do anything wrong" or something like that, aka still act like its something they're tolerating. Fucking retards. None of them (except the few women who chads would commit to) would be able to have a boyfriend if average looking men didn't approach.
>>83996087Its not really just that we're the pursuer, though.Imagine if women were the pursuers. They would only approach the best looking guys or rarely some htn. Men would end up jestermaxxing to try and get approached by them, and would eventually basically approach, and women would be the pursuers in name only.So it's not really about who is the pursuer but about women just not really being into average looking men. They eventually get in relationships with them, but for example if they are on tinder, they will inevitable swipe left on 95% of men, because they are seeing chads in the catalog too. Even if this means they won't be able to get a relationship either.
>>83996093>Redpillers delude themselves into believing that women are basically children or mentally retarded in order to endure it without getting depressed.This is a half-truth. Women are human and shouldn't be treaten badly because of our differences, but... These differences do exist and are very pronounced. They definitely are not as smart, virtuous, loyal or justice inclined as men are, in general. It's just the way it is. Both Chad and Chud see the true nature of women, even if for different reasons. They are first and foremost value extractors, their entire way of seeing the world is based on their reproductive strategy (seeing themselves as a product and exchanging that product for the most value they can get).
>>83996108That's no true though. It's the fact of being the pursued that makes women more likely to turn down average-looking guys. If expressing interest was gender-equal then men and women's standards would equalize.
>>83994050>EnjoyIt's never been "enjoyed" but there used to be a certain charm to the psychological game.But this was when women were nicer and had a sense of humor. Those days are over now. So now it's pointless. Women offer nothing but sex, and even if they give that to you it comes with an insane amount of potential issues.
>>83996117Idk man. I've been checking redpill forums because you never know if they have something good to offer. I got the feeling that there is a component of cope in their dehumanization of women. Which I don't blame them btw. It is a good way to look at it if you're going to be facing rejections. Regardless of whether women are that bad or not, I get the feeling they're saying it for that reason.
>>83996144Why couldn't it be both? The fact they're resentful doesn't mean what they say, or at least some of it, isn't true.
>>83996037>Marxist-lite shit that gives me lynsenkoist vibes. Lysenkoism killed dozens of millions of people in the USSR before they realized it was retarded btwYeah idk what that is. As far as marxism goes, capitalisms has also killed just as many if not more people. So I don't feel that is a particularly good argument against it. Not that I agree with it necessarily, definitely seems incompatible with human nature.
>>83994747Low value Men hit on women and pursued them before women shamed them. Nobody wants to be a fucking woman. Gaslighting faggots
>>83995958What you don't get is that the dragon in those stories are a representation of low value men
>>83995748I take those types of things as lack of interest and a power move
>>83994906Then why don't you women drop the feminist bullshit is youre crypto trads?
>>83994906>You can win every argument if you reduce one side to being a retarded caricature.I can tell you that most men that want to be pursued don't want to be treated like babies. They just want a woman who will actively shows she finds them interesting and cares for them. All the things that you like about being 'claimed' and seduced, most guys like them too. But it doesn't mean they want to be treated like a baby
>>83994050I used to find it more bearable back when women were fun to talk toAt least millennial ones put some effort into keeping some banter going, zoomer girls just stonewall me with>lol>idk>ig
>>83996179>Low value MenSuch a dehumanizing term. Men don't exist to provide value to you, whatever that is.
>>83994893>You are far more functional, more advanced, stronger, have more energyThen act like you foid. Be a submissive feminine woman and you'll be treated with grace.
>>83996156Like I said, I don't blame them nor I am saying they are wrong. I am saying the entire reason they say those things is because constant rejections hurt. This says a lot about how bad the dating market is if men have to dehumanize women to cope.
>>83995139What is fit in?
>>83996108>Men would end up jestermaxxing to try and get approached by them, and would eventually basically approachI'm not so sure about that. Men wouldn't jester if they didn't need to since they would be approached. No need to do it if you're being approached.
>>83995139Why do women and normies think it's so cool when you get bullied into compliance and then 'do the work' to appease the bullies. You faggots love to turn and pint fingers perched on top of the high cock you ride all day long. Don't turn around and point too fast lest you feel that dick up your ass.
>>83994050No. As the gif implies it's mostly a humiliation ritual. You put yourself out there willing to publicly embarrass yourself only to be ghosted, ignored or rejected. The game is heavily rigged against you and all you can do is either keep trying til you succeed or give up and embrace the loneliness
>>83996238Its also misleading because women don't accept or reject men based on anything that could be called "value", but on looks. But well, most people are idiots.>>83996124>>83996271Okay both of you are not wrong in my opinion. But, how often would men get approached? If you approach a woman and she says no, then she would not approach you if roles were reversed. If you find it hard to get a date by approaching, you'd also find it hard to get approached. And if men found it hard to be approached, then they would in practice be the approachers by trying to get women's attention.Meaning, being the pursued inherently comes with being picky or its meaningless.
>>83995238Cook yourself alive using your belly fat
>>83996287I do believe if women were the pursuers they'd be less picky and smarter with the men they choose. They would in fact approach more men rather than just the Chads that they'd want.
>>83994050in a normal traditional society where women are not allowed to work, they need men in order to survive. it is in the woman's utmost interest to pursue and to secure a man because her survival literally depends on it. nowadays, in this nanny state surrogate husband bullshit system, women do not require men anymore therefore it is men that started pursuing them and acting desperate
>>83996311Men have always been after the aproval of women and women today still judge men based on the "value" they provide. Societies have always been gynocentric at their core, it's human nature
>>83996201You should be able to quickly tell if she's wasting your time. Push to meet up irl in some low stakes way like at a coffee shop or the park. If she flakes or says "no," she's wasting your time. Drop the mentally ill attention-chasers as soon as you spot them.
>>83994720You never actually had problems. You don't know how good you have it.
>>83994971NTA but I'm just not gay and don't find other men interesting for anything other then helping me be a better person. If I can't learn anything from them then there's no point. Most guys have practically nothing to give anyways. Women don't want to interact with ascoial men like me so even though I'm interested I don't pursue.
>>83995605So do you take risperidone as well?
>>83996417NTA but I used to take that shit. Holy FUCK never EVER again.
>>83996470She's been on it for a very long time now. I worry it's turning her brain to further mush.
>>83995042Most people in history were aristocracy worshiping servants. Fucking toting cuck faggots. So it's no surprise normies easily enjoy 'playing along' with social dynamics. The doggy doesn't stop wagging its tail when it pulls its ears back and licks the big dogs teeth. Suppose it looks like happiness to those with a 'healthy' amount of cognitive dissonance...
>>83996483>I worry it's turning her brain to further mushthis is EXACTLY what it was doing to mine, that's why I stopped, I didn't even consult my psychiatrist I straight up just stopped after months of taking it. FUCK that pill dude.
>>83996234Idk, ig ur not tht interesting lol
>>83994050no but I think it must feel good to be pursued and wanted
>>83996287I mean, you'd have to brainwash/deprogram the whole of society into accepting that men and women are equal in all respects and that gender roles do not exist at all beyond heterosexual attraction. Women no longer seen as pretty objects, and men no longer seen as tough emotionless providers.
>>83994050I think it's completely retarded that we are supposed to be past all these old school gender roles that feminism pushed so hard against but something like men being expected to be pursuers still exist.I also believe a woman not being willing to pursue you means she doesnt have any interest in you. Also most of what I've read from guys that were pursued seems to suggest those relationships last longer than ones that start by mel pursuing. Usually the later is short term and hookups.
>>83996550women are dumb, listen to bitches on Tiktok, they're SUPER interested in a guy, he never approaches them, she goes WTF but never approaches him even after all that.
>>83995343>To an incel, the idea of having to go out to this gir's apartment and having to socially compete against other guys and play Settlers of Catan or something without a blowjob as a big thank you for hanging out with them is just dreadful and not worth it. They might be publiclypilled humiliationmaxxed.Yeah no shit. Otherwise why are you doing it you fucking stupid foid. Women get off on shame and embrassment. Men do not. Millions of years of evolution made us have instinctive homicidal reactions to attacks on our status. Of course we live in a society, but my point is you're dealing if containing these emotions while being ragebaited. This is discomfort. It's not cool it's not rewarding and NO MAN endures it for its own sake. If you don't have a chance to win then you don't keep coming back. THAT IS the manly thing to do. Otherwise you're literally gay for willingly being the groups lolcow.
>>83996550That image is devastating
>>83994050Absolutely not. I like being the desired one. I'm not going to do anything with the adoration, I just like the ego boost of knowing someone desires me.Is this what being a woman is like?
>>83996603Do you wish you were a pretty girl uwu
