>>84001749
Are you ignoring the absolute hate for Muslims you stupid Troon.

Name something more antienglish than a brown tranny

Mutt thread

>>84001749
wait brits too? i thought only US was fucked, all i remember is one of the prince is arrested ,how bad is it?(idk much about west)

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Every anglo country but the US has far worse economic problems. We Americans are just destroying our superior economy for the love of the game.

>>84001848
Trans issues are the most serious issue facing brits. It isnt:

>highest energy bills on earth
>rape capital of europe
>highest cost of living in Europe
>only nation to have a LOWER GDP post covid
>most violent incidents in Europe
>96% of all crime goes unsolved
>40% of all murders go unsolved
>roads crumbling so badly the Victorian paving is visible underneath
>most expensive houses in Europe
>worst quality housing in Europe
>worst internet infrastructure in europe
>most cctv cameras outside of china
>government can freeze bank accounts at will
>police can enter any property without a warrant
>police can imprison you indefinitely if you forget your phone pin
>government can force you to sell your home at any time using a Compulsory Purchase Order
>emergency hospital waiting times are measured in days not hours
>average wait time to see a health specialist is 3 years
>dentistry being abolished

How bad is it? About as bad as it gets. Brits dont care about any of this. All they care about is raging against trans people

>>84001759
Yeah? And what do you do when you see a group of muslim lads. Nothing.

What do you do when you see a mtf walking by herself, suddenly you become brave and attack her from behind. Well done, you're so brave

>>84001904
>rape capital

Thats sweden.

>>84001749
Left-wing outlets talk more about trannies than right-wing outlets.

>>84002270
>Left-wing outlets

In the UK? No, everyone in the media is anti trans

>>84002256
Wrong, its the UK now

>>84001882
Hi, anon. Your image made my penis hard. I just want you to know that.

are you retarded? I actually go into the real world and this is a complete none issue, no one fucking cares about you, you narcissistic trannoid, apart from low income retard chavs

>>84002384
Eh, I work with boomers and just this morning they were hiding in the back making fun of a troon customer who came in amongst themselves.

>>84002402
>customer service wagies
so literal pond scum? I never come across trans hate irl, I see them wandering around and no one does anything. Have you tried re locating outside of dead northern ex mill towns?

>>84002402
nothing wrong with this tho

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>>84001904
sounds quite ass. but probably better than my place
>>84002418
OP he is kinds right on this one, they are boomers ofc they have no idea about trans stuff, we cant just get every single transphobic into your head

altho physical and mental abuse do exist , you can just get every single insult get the best of you, stay strong OP and dont let petty words harm you

>>84002299
As they should be. You people pushed people to far

>>84001904
I enjoy watching brits suffer, they deserve it.

>>84002506
cant* just let every single insult

I have only met one person who transitioned. I have never seen anyone who has transitioned other than them.
It is 99.98% an Internet meme

>>84002536
desu its a MINORITY the fact that you have seen someone transition is a big thing and yeah it really mostly a meme and a porn genre atp

Like 90% of the world hates trans people and many countries kill them. The uk just has feminists just mildly more skeptical of trans shit than a handful of progressive coastal us states.

You keep posting this shit. You have an expression.

>>84001749
it's mostly foids who care

>>84002551
>the fact that you have seen someone transition is a big thing
I want to give her my big thing lmao

Literally most of the world thinks trans people are mentally ill or possessed by demons. You just do not interact with people in the non-English speaking word outside North America and Western Europe.

>>84002561
Uk is they way it is cause it convinced women that trans people are anti women so.. in us anti trans is still mostly male only thing, us need jkr of their own

>>84002570
OP never leaves discord or ffxiv. people will laugh at you for anything but a man with a fake shrill voice is just funnier

>>84002568
Its more likely ftm, so he

>>84002576
The USA has an intense Christian right wing and a large portion of their population are very religious and socially conservative; that does not really exist in the uk to anywhere near the same extent. Culturally the uk is far more secular.

Trans shit just got framed as another issues in the long running American culture war between rural Christian social conservatives vs urban coastal sexual liberals. People just fall into line with their team.

In the uk that religious framing is much less intense so people looked at the issue differently . Also, the uk has very socialised healthcare so the question of what healthcare to provide trans people immediately became a public issue as to what funding it should get rather than an issue between a person and their private doctor (this is a big reason).

>>84001912
>himself
>him

>>84002585
Male to female, pulled it off exceptionally well

>>84002384
No, i go about my day and everyone is horroble.

Been spat at, had gangs of lads throw things at me, lots of verbal abuse. British people are very horrible

>>84002402
Why are people so horrible, those same boomers will be complaing when they get abused in an old folks home.

Brits are determined to live in a miserable, horrible society

>>84002427
Yes there is, you should treat others how you wish to be treated, then you cretins wonder why you live in a horrible shithole dump

>>84002536
Yes, so ask yourself why every single government institution is dedicated to hating trans people. We haven't done anything wrong. Englands horrible.

>>84002561
The UK is a living hell for trans people, its objectively the worst county in the West

>>84002570
Wrong

>>84002576
Yeah just what the US needs to do, listen to an insane boomer that will help

>>84002598
>Also, the uk has very socialised healthcare so the question of what healthcare to provide trans people immediately became a public issue as to what funding it should get rather than an issue between a person and their private doctor (this is a big reason).

Wrong

>>84002615
they made fun of this after they left right? thats not a problem

>>84001749
>Why do you dont follow this specific leftist agenda when you follow all of them and the end result will be the same anyways
Potato potahto

>>84002621
It is, its being cruel for no reason, 24 hour propaganda against trans people, what a miserable terrible place

>>84002623
>leftist

Nothing about your dump is leftist, you want to vote in a literal fascist

>>84002632
Trans people constantly force themselves to other people, you occupy every space, every hobby and start spamming your shitty troon porn. Everyone is tired of you.

>>84002615
Sounds like you are British and live in Britain. You are coping. Chavs are just like that and will chuck shit and spit at anyone for a laugh who is not also a chav. The fact you are trans just exacerbates it.

Also The woke era (2014-2024) is ending now and people are becoming more comfortable saying what they have always thought. This is a thing across the west right now. England is not distinctive. If anything, British youth are much less right wing and racist and anti-tranny that most of Europe (comparatively).

You are comparing you experience with chavs on the street to idealised progressive costal urban America.

>>84002632
there is nothing wrong with laughing at something especially if it isnt harassment. litetally victimless

>>84002606
It made you gay or you were always a fag

OP would literally be lynched or shot in rural red state America. He is completely delusional.

>>84002646
Propaganda, all lies. Trans people been excluded from society

>>84002648
Wrong, ive travlled, people are nice in other countries. Your dump is horrible, not just chavs, everyone is disgusting and rude.

Would you like it if people said nasty things about your appearance constantly. Isnt it funny how its always cruel stuff Brits say, because you are cruel, evil set of people. It isnt just chavs, its all social classes

Ive travlled, only your dump is obssessed with trans people, why? Why are trans issues more important to you than your energy bills?

>>84002636
Transgenderism and all the other policies uk is following are exclusively leftwing, they not following it faithfully is hilarious even.

>>84002615
>Yes, so ask yourself why every single government institution is dedicated to hating trans people. We haven't done anything wrong. Englands horrible.
Apart from that one NHS Trust a million miles away that had the toilet story, I've never heard of any trans complaining in the media or by any institution

>>84002658
Its cruel, and reveals what nasty people you are

>>84002661
Who would shoot me, you? You cant even shoot your dick straight lol

>>84002666
No such thing as transgenderism, thats a made up word the right have used to create a symbolic enemy whilst they enact wealth transfer.

Maybe in your shithole dump of a country, but in most countries with trans healthcare, its independent of right or left wing politics. Being trans is a medical condition, how can a medical condition be left wing, are you fucking stupid, you stupid cunt lol. It can happen to anyone, in any country or time period

>>84002664
>Propaganda, all lies. Trans people been excluded from society
Anyone who spends time on internet knows its true

>>84002678
Then you're either a moron or a liar probably both, because the media constantly engages in anti trans propaganda

It says a lot that none these shithead british posters have said why trans issues are more important than any other, its a pavlovs dog reaction, thats why British people are the most disgusting i have come across, they're eager to hate

>>84002682
Kek seethe retard, your emotional illogical rant doesnt change reality

>>84002682
Just move if you hate it in the uk.

JK Rowling is a feminist hero.
Women wont wheest.
Autogynephile fetishists will be shamed.
A woman is an adult human female.
This witch wont burn.
Harry Potter is the best childrens series.
Cope seethe and dilate.

>>84002683
>Anyone who spends time on internet

Anon, get a fucking life that isnt about hating trans people online.

>>84002689
Your screaming about anti trans propaganda doesnt change reality, youre still going to be a shithead tomorrow, you cant buy a house, you wont have a pension, why aren't you angry about that? Why are you screaming into the void about trans people?

>>84002691
Brexit. I fucking despise British people they are hideously ugly and rude people. You can travel to another country and people are nice, then you come to England, you see the crumbling shithole buildings, the aggressive rude people, everythings expensive and shit quality, everyone's angry, and mean, and cruel. Spiteful, nasty people who love to inflict misery on the most vulnerable

>>84002697
Another stupid fucking cunt, what has JKR done for women, nothing, just hate trans people, JKR has harmed women you stupid fucking brit cunt.

Shes created a world where butch cis women get harassed, how does that help you stupid hateful prick

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Honestly OP , everyone's gonna hate you cuz you are trans its not just brits, the only place you will not be called a political made abomination are places with trans people as in a cultural thing like in the east

even then alot of people will hate you and bully you, even you look at places like Thailand infamous for it even there they are not that socially accepted

humans are assholes, who always like to hate on others to fulfill their ego's superiority and fulfill the stereotypes they have made in their brain regardless they are true or not. and looking to be liked by random people is not very ideal, thats why minorities fight for their rights rather than wait for other to drop it in their hands.

dont waste your time on everyone to explain why you are you , if they get it in the first time/actually try to understand then its fine, else just continue with your day

its the bloody internet anyway especially 4chan

i assume you are not racist and wouldn't frame it this way with 'Paki bashing' when that was a thing.

everyone in Britain is struggling and trans people are the last thing on their mind. you just want to be victims.

>>84002702
You're right. I just get very upset that im forced to live here. I know trans people arent having a good time globally, but I've seen the world, seen how people treat me, smile at me, compliment me, then im forced to return to this evil cursed isle, i get very sad, nasty horrible people here.

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>OP right now
>I AM A LADY I WILL KICK THE SHIT OUT OF ANYONE THAT THINKS OTHERWISE

>>84002710
>everyone in Britain is struggling

Why is that

and trans people are the last thing on their mind. you just want to be victims.

Yeah i love being spat at, i fucking love it when groups of drunk men scare me, i love it you fucking evil prick

OP will detransition within the next 10 years and pretend this never happened.

>>84002701
>what has JKR done for women

...maybe you don't count Lumos because that was for orphans/children (although i'm guessing they gave support to mothers), but Beira's Place? an actual rape shelter in Edinburgh?

i don't even think you're trolling. you're just insane.

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Problem with the transes is that they cannot organise. They in-fight and gate keep to the point that their movement cannot function.

They had a chance and they blew it by being insufferable on the internet.

>>84002717
look pal you're having a hard time for some reason. i've gone out with my trans mates and seen this happen, had to de-escalate a drunk guy who started on my friend (she didn't help herself by winding him up).

go make a voluntary overpayment to the Treasury, ask for it to be ring-fenced to the NHS. i've known people on crazy waiting lists for their initial assessment...but guess what, EVERYTHING takes two years.

give money to the NHS, let them triage it. i'm on waiting lists but cancer patients > me. i would like the NHS (as a whole) to be better, not just me and my problems.

>>84001749
I am Canadian. Can I post here or am I not British enough?

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>>84002712
in honestly OP if you know a place that actually treat you right , move there or any queer friendly part of your country

and some of these guys are right UK as in whole is most probably not going out of there way to hurt trans people they got stuff like immigration and economy to handle, the ones that dont like you just simply dont like you, you ended up being under their sight and got hurt

keep yourself safe and a place that actually dosent minds you,they dont have to actively support you, if they dont mind you thats fine

>>84001749
not british.
But just came in to say that Homosexuals, Lesbians, and Bisexual people are awsome.
Trans people.... not so much.
There are other ways to fight against harmful gender roles in society, transgenderisim is literally making things worse.
Gender should have never become a part of identity, It should just be treated like a physical descriptor like eye color or heritage.
Even despite the evidence of trans peoples brains being different, Instead of calling it like it is and being okay with being a feminine male or masculine woman and accepting the body you were born with, (which is entirely possible even with the funky brain chemistry) because of the social zeitgeist people insist on waging a metaphysical war on their own bodies, which completely erodes your sense of self and gives into insecurities because gender in larger society is such a load-bearing pillar of people's identities it's seen as a sacred calf that is inherent to 'who you are as a person'.
(spoiler alert, it's not)
It creates constant psychological friction for both the transgender person and everyone else.

Crossdressers, Femboys, Butches, and androgynous people who accept and love their sex, despite feeling and presenting differently will forever be incredibly based have my respect.

>>84002779
Thanks anon, thats all i want, to be left alone, i dont need anyone to like me, just dont attack me or get into my face when i go the shops.

I wish i could leave England, its not nice here, people horrible to me

>84002808
Glad the hide button exists

>>84001749
Normal people think it's disgusting when you play out your sex fetishes in public.

>>84002808
An excellent and intelligent post

>>84002808
So much cope in one post, I'm impressed. You just hate trans people for no reason. If men are allowed to be feminine there should be nothing wrong with them taking something that makes them more feminine. You obviously have a problem with men being feminine

>>84002921
No it wasnt

>>84002910
I think you're disgusting

>>84002929
Its all cope, i dont understand lol

>>84002959
>I think you're disgusting
The reality is that you are a man on the autism spectrum who decided to let self hatred and feelings of sexual inadequacy dominate your life. You're so ashamed of your identity that you've castrated yourself. I hope that you can get help.

>>84001912
Any proof to back up your claims?

Transphobia is simply an extension of lookism but troons are incapable of realising that for some reason

>>84001749
Because trannies take up precious medical resources with their fake and gay fetish, which is a serious problem for everyone else considering the state of the NHS

>>84003016
Imagine a man in a dress he's not on hrt, but he's good with makeup and can kind of pass as a woman. Despite looking like a woman, he identifies as a man.
Now imagine the same individual with the only difference between them that this person identifies as a woman.
Just by looking at them, which individual do you choose to discriminate and hate?
The answer is that you can't pick which one you hate because you have no way of figuring out which one identifies as a woman by just looking at them. So no matter how patient and kind either of these people may be, you will be inclined to be hostile towards them simply because they are men in dresses because you might falsely assume that a man in a dress identifies as a woman. Long story short, you hate feminine men.

>84003016
You're just proving my point. Hide.

>>84003024
Yeah my fucking life. People here are nasty bullies, they do the bidding of the system

>84003055
Nazi language, my hrt is really cheap, go away

>>84002929
>taking something that makes them more feminine.
Wanting to be more feminine and trying to force everyone around you to accept you as a woman are very different things..

>>84002921
Debatable but I appreciate the compliment, usually the stance I hold makes me called a faggot by Polchuds and a transphobe by libchuds
>>84002929
I said nothing about being against people taking estrogen or testosterone.
Honesty just like any level of plastic surgery I think it's fine as long as people don't let it feed into their insecurities/become addicted to it.
You may be projecting my friend by assuming that I have an issue with hormones. I haven't looked too much into that aspect of things, but from what I've seen if you are careful with it, the negative side effects are negligible.
What I do have a problem with is the insistence of labeling oneself another gender. It actively gives into the made up importance of gender being a part of ones identity, and compounds insecurities by creating a pradox between the material world and the mental world one has in their head IE dysphoria .
Transgenderism currently denies the material world in favor of the mental one, but I say that it IS possible to embrace the material reality of your physical body while still satisfying the mental incongruity with the gender role you are "supposed to be" not matching what you feel as you are.
It's simply living with your biological sex and not denying it metaphysically, but not giving a fuck about how masculine/feminine/androgynous you act, dress, or present yourself.
I agree with trans people that gender is a societal construct, but ironically that's exactly why transgenderisim is not the answer to freedom from dysphoria or societal pressure. Because it gives into the concept of gender instead of rebelling against it, expressing ones true identity independently of your biological sex while still not being at war with your own body.

>>84003043
>Transphobia is simply an extension of lookism but troons are incapable of realising that for some reason
what do you mean incapable of realising that? there are so many posts on /lgbt/ that highlight this exact sentiment
>>84003055
>fake
but it's not really fake, at least not historically, it has existed in many cultures even before the internet and globalisation were a thing
>which is a serious problem for everyone else
is it though, most troons that i know don't interact with the NHS for their medical treatment because the NHS doesn't really cover, most of them just DIY their hormones and pay for their surgeries out of pocket. there's little to be mad about here, objectively speaking.

>>84001749
>British people only, why do you focus all your hatred on trans people when your country is in a state of collapse?
We don't. Thread over you retarded troon.

>>84003086
>>84003089
I saw the phrase
>accepting the body you were born with
And assumed this was about people altering their bodies with hrt and surgeries because that's usually how this conversation goes. Regardless, I have a problem with this view anyway because it implies you can't differentiate trans women from men see this post >>84003077 I made

>>84002929
continuing from >>84003089
Also you assume I inherently hate trans people. I'm completely fine with them as people, the ideology and view on gender is what ai disagree with.
I still respect peoples pronouns and won't argue with them because I know it's not a battle that can be won because transgender ideology is so deeply rooted in peoples sense of self, that an attack on the concept feels like an attack on their very being (which is not a good sign in my opinion). It makes discussing it in good faith almost impossible. As you have proven by immediately calling everything I say cope. I have a childhood friend that is transgender, and one of my previous partners who I am on good terms with recently transitioned. If you think I hate trans people you'd be wrong. I just think they are harming themselves by going about it the complete wrong way. Doesn't mean I'm going to treat them like shit, maybe throw a little shade now and again, but they are still people that I care about deeply.

>>84003086
>force everyone
Why are terfs so dramatic. I dont even talk to anyone when im outside

>>84003128
Yea you do,this thread proves it

>>84003110
>most troons that i know don't interact with the NHS for their medical treatment because the NHS doesn't really cover, most of them just DIY their hormones and pay for their surgeries out of pocket. there's little to be mad about here, objectively speaking.

Its true, the NHS has never helped me, had to do everything by myself

>>84003153
>Yea you do,this thread proves it
No it doesn't, nobody gives a fuck about you. you can clearly see the biggest issues in this country motivating people to vote are immigration and gaza

>>84003133
Of course I wouldn't disagree with someone just by looking at them, that's stupid. I disagree with people off of their opinions and beliefs. I don't care about looks when it comes to gender issues, so of course I wouldn't be able to differentiate my stance until someone actually started speaking insisting they were a different gender. I try not to read books by their covers anon.
No matter how much someone "passes" or "doesn't pass" (already leaning into gender roles heavily there), I'm not going to treat them differently, but if I find out they are insistent on being a different gender sex/gender than what they are on a metaphysical and linguistic level, I'm still going to respect their pronouns, but I certainly don't agree with their choices or beliefs.
Like I said, cis crossdressers of any kind are based.

>>84003171
Yea you do, shout at me in the street, and threaten me

I recongise that Canadian anon from /pol/, its obsessed with anti trans posts, has literally giga bytes of propaganda, what a strange thing to become obsessed with

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>>84003133
also keep in mind you are arguing with two people, the rude one isn't me.
I try keep my anti-trans rhetoric professional instead of just calling people retards.

>>84003181
If you respect them and all that then what's your problem why do you still have to write paragraphs about how you don't like gender ideology? To these people there is no gender ideology. They are happy, let them be. I get the impression that you would change them if you could and that simply doesn't sit right with me

>>84003216
Thats good that when you dehumanise millions of people who are vulnerable that you dont call them names, just that they should be killed, well done anon

>>84002615
>The UK is a living hell for people
stop being a narcissist

>>84003275
Its horrible and everyone knows it, full of spiteful people, and lots of problems

>>84003279
The government is controlled by a gnostic tranny cult, they have been for centuries at this point.
They are actively corruot and antihuman

Are you british white?

>>84003296
Terf island isn't controlled by trans people, i wish i had some of the crack you are smoking, must be wild

>>84003303
It is, they worship a tranny god with breasts and a cock.
They created you as a part of their alchemical designs for control because like a eunuch it removes your normal loyalty to blood.
Your suffering benefits them because it generates a presumption for their control.

>>84001749
first of all, dont lump us Bi's with the crazy rainbow people. second of all I dont hate anyone, I just disagree with some trans demands like competing against women, going in their bathrooms and trans children who arent even old enough to get a tattoo, but suddenly they're wise enough to know they are in the wrong body and want to ruin it forever before puberty? absolutely moronic

>>84001912
men are pussy whipped bitches that can only attack people physically weaker than them.

>>84003338
Well why dont they give me healthcare then, crackhead anon?

>>84003345
>im bi
>please throw trans people under the bus

You're getting gassed too, you greedy slag

>>84003368
They know i cant fight back. I have cane because i have osteoporosis, they know if they attack me i cant fight back and the police wont help.

British people are bullies and spiteful. Of all countries surveyed they were at the bottom of the lisy, they do nothing but hate. Even Turkey less hateful and trans people there have more rights, Brits are nasty, it doesn't harm them to leave trans people alone

>>84003181
>I'm still going to respect their pronouns, but I certainly don't agree with their choices or beliefs
honestly that's a pretty based take, i'm not gonna try to convince you to change your beliefs to think that i'm a woman, just don't be an asshole to me, that's all i can really ask for
>>84003171
>gaza
wait do people still care about that?
>>84003345
>I just disagree with some trans demands like competing against women, going in their bathrooms and trans children
i try to avoid going into public bathrooms because i don't want to invade anyone's spaces but sometimes i have to pee and i weird people out going into men's. the sports thing is a non-issue for most trans people, it's not a hill 99% of us are willing to die on, it was blown out of proportion by some activists and then weaponised against it by the media. i really just think that letting us update our documents and letting us pee in a bathroom that matches how we look if we pass are like, the most basic concessions that we could ask for to just exist in peace. it should have just stayed this way as was previously the case but militant trans activists have ruined it for everyone. i feel bad for existing, i really do, i wish my parents had used protection, i wish i wasn't such a bother and i'm sorry for upending any existing moral order
>>84003296
anon, the government hates us, mainstream parties hate us, where did you get that impression? the only parties that don't hate us are the greens and libdems but the greens are insane on many other fronts

>>84003386
Sounds like you'd prefer to make women uncomfortable vs men who would actually stand up to you. Hell maybe you hope to get a thrill out of shocking a little girl in a bathroom

>>84003395
Fuck off you nasty spiteful cunt. Its going for a piss, your world isnt going to cave in, this is just a cover you use to be aggressive.

What kind of lunatic wants to physically attack someone for going for a wee. Funny how you mention children too, we know your kind, every accusation is a confession

>>84003181
Also in the real world people get harassed, assulted and attacked because they look transgender not because they told someone "I am a woman" while you may be saying what you're saying the transphobic trend is that people tend to be a lot more hostile and I think this hostility originates from doubting that trans people are real

>>84002808
(1)
ykw i myself have been really thinking hard about trans people, that why is a person trans is it just a weird way to cope with their insecurities? now just because i question them dosent mean i deny their existence but what i truly believe is how we perceive them and try to fit in our old customs.

lets say for myself,if someone asked me what gender i am , i would say i am a man but desu i couldnt care less about my gender and gender roles, if tomorrow i became a woman, i wont really have an issue and then became a man i wont really have an identity related issue. when i wish to dress masculine , i am masc, when i wanna look femme, i go for a femme look and people say "anon, you look quite woman-like today" "ik,thats the plan,wanna kiss me now?"
but what about the people who are trans? who believe they should be a part of a whole different gender altogether and wanna fit into a whole different gender role?

i personally like to see it as a allegory to immigration. lets say there is this american man who loves anime,plays all the video games, listen to all those songs basically a weeb, like the ones we cringe at. Now this man straight up wanna be japanese cuz how much of a weeb he is. But you just cant change your race and ethnicity, so what do we do now? immigration, you might not be able to experience what is it like to be young in all those anime you watch but if you love japan that much you might just go there regardless. so our mr American packs his bags and goes to a 1 month vacation to japan to decide see if japan is for him or not, i like to correlate this part with how a person questions what sort of stuff they are interested in genuinely consider if they are a trannie or just a girly fag.lets say americano decides japan only looks great and is great but he still feels best at america so he dosent immigrates(a girly fag/femboy/crossdresser)

(its kinda long so lemme write plz)

>>84003386
>anon, the government hates us, mainstream parties hate us

They don't, they use you as weapons against the population, you are golems to them.
Go ask /x/ or /pol/ or other esoteric gatherings about elite gender inversion.

>>84003418
>Go ask /x/

But i lost my crack pipe, it wont make any sense to me

>>84003221
Happy in the short term? sure.
Long term I don't think it's sustainable. Especially when your mind is in a constant state of paradox with your biological sex/body you were born with (besides hermaphrodites, but that is an outlier). Like I said, your mental "gender" does not have to be tied intrinsically to your identity, and your physical body certainly shouldn't be.
To me transgender ideology and gender theory are like Freudian psychology, an at first harmless seeming way of interpreting the human condition, but just like Freudian thought, I have a feeling in the future humans will look back at 20th century concept of gender over sex, societal gender roles as a whole, and transgenderism the same way people look back at Freud, "what the fuck where we thinking this shit is so goofy and shortsighted."
>>84003224
the fuck? I said nothing about killing or dehumanizing people. I think you may be confusing me for that other anon. Either that or those are some pretty massive hoops that are being jumped through.

>>84002738
Muttmerican here. First world leftiods have NEVER been able to organize for jackshit anyhow.

>>84003386
>>gaza
>wait do people still care about that?
muslims specifically. thats why the green party have a bunch of support. every muslim is voting for them. of course the left wont say anything about muslims being a monolith and still tell white people they arent allowed to care about themselves

>>84003422
You can either act like a spiteful faggot or you can act like an adult and research it for yourself.

>>84003430
>white people they arent allowed to care about themselves

This the same group of people that fight on a saturday night, after poisoning themselves with drugs and alcohol? Very caring people

>>84003435
Anon, i have medical condition, i treat it, i live my life.

Anyone who has anything more to say than that can shhh.

Why is this only an issue in the shithole UK, why are other countries fine. Why does terf propaganda work in the UK but not Australia, is it because Brits have been itching to hate and havent been allowed

>>84003438
we get it you hate white people, why don't you leave and find some nonwhite country to live in.

>>84003412
that's part of it anon. I kinda agree, I believe a lot of dysphoria is insecurities from our sense of self not matching the fucked up gender roles society gives us.
But instead of facing those insecurities head-on and learning to not care about how you act/dress no matter your birth sex, people give into the insecurities and think the only way to match their identity with societal expectations is to label themselves another gender/sex. instead of freeing themselves from the labels in the first place by being okay with your birth sex, because in reality it has no affect on who you are as a person or how you act (your ACTUAL identity)

>>84001749
I am british, I dont hate trans people. I agree that there are a gazillion problems in my country, and some bring me to hatred, but to say I hate trans people is laughable. I think trans people are delusional and mentally ill and need help rather than being told to believe in their delusions because this causes more harm to them, and I feel sorry for some, mainly the girl ones, and I am disgusted by others, mainly the men, but all this is very far from hatred. I rarely ever think of trannies unless I see one irl or on 4chan or whatever

>>84003443
Mate. Listen to me. Your country has done nothing but harm me. Beat me up everyday at school. Kicked my head and broke my teeth.

Your country has harmed me deeply, everyone has been cruel to me. I dont hurt anyone, i keep to myself. Just want to be left alone, but i cant go outside withour grief constantly, always feeling scared and terror.

I hate your country, if i could leave i would leave today, id spit on the floor before i board the plane and burn my british passport. If anyone asks id tell them i was any other nationality except yours

>>84003442
ok trooner, do what you want, but it doesn't change anything that I've told you

>>84001749
are you british? do you get your opinions on the uk from twitter or from actually living here and experiencing it?

because from the way you talk you sound like a retard who has never stepped foot here.

>>84003424
Do you have any proof of that? To me it sounds like you just have a feeling you shouldn't see trans people the way they want to be seen. Consider this there are like 8 billion people on this planet. Do you really think out of all these people there isn't a single person out there who genuinely wants to change their gender, that there can't be a single person who would feel better if people treated and referred to them with their chosen gender?

>>84003455
>need help rather than being told to believe in their delusions

Like when the NHS electrocuted trans people? It doesnt work. Affirmation works, surgery works, hrt works.

>>84003457
then leave, live somewhere else and naturalise or use some ancestor clause wherever you family is from

>>84003457
what do you mean "your country"? are you from somewhere else? i can assure you every country on the planet has either the same opinion on trans people or a much worse opinion to the point of violence.

>>84003473
Why are British people so fucking dumb as well as evil.

Its only your shithole thats this obssessed with trans people, look at the data, you are always bottom of the list

>>84003472
Id love to leave, your country is horrible. Name one good thing at the UK, I'll start, the airports

>>84003466
ok groomer
originalywnbarwalno

>>84003484
So where are you from bro?

>>84003395
>you'd prefer to make women uncomfortable vs men who would actually stand up to you
i don't want to make women uncomfortable, that's why i said i avoid the public bathroom in the first place, like, i'm not proud of being a tranny at all. i honestly think that people should use the bathroom that most closely matches their appearance though, if they pass as a woman, they should use the women's, if as a man, then they should use the men's, it's honestly the approach that involves the least friction and confrontation.
>you hope to get a thrill out of shocking a little girl in a bathroom
no, not at all, believe me i get no pleasure from being a disgusting freak. i'm so sorry.
>>84003418
well okay, they might not hate us, but they still drum up hate against us from the general population, so it's kinda the same in my book
>>84003457
yeah nona, i feel you, i'm moving to taiwan in april after living elsewhere in asia for months, i'm just never gonna live in the uk long term again. i don't hate the uk and i think it has a lot of great people but it's institutions and especially the press are just rotten to the core and hellbent on making normies hate us
>>84003455
>I am disgusted by others
i'm sorry, fwiw i mostly just keep to myself, i hate inconveniencing others

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Your shithole dump you call a nation is always bottom of the list.

Ive travelled and other countries have treated me much more nicely, but then i have to return to the UK and im forced ti be around you violent savages

>>84003488
From your shithole country

>>84003484
>Why are British people so fucking dumb as well as evil.
>Its only your shithole thats this obssessed with trans people, look at the data, you are always bottom of the list
where are you from retard
"it's only your shithole" yeah if you don't include the entirety of africa and the middle east and asia and eastern europe and south america
if you think the uk dislikes trans people then you should remember that at least they don't lynch you like they woulld anywhere else

>>84003457
Stop being a complete fucking freak and people wouldn't hate you? You are activate the uncanny valley fight or flight fear response in people

>>84003500
>the UK is less shit if you compare it to the absolute worst humanity has to offer

Fallacy of relatice deprivation

>>84003506
it's a perfectly valid viewpoint because most of the world considers trannies to be mentally ill freaks at best or demons at worst
you should be thankful that you live in a first world country where doctors are delusional enough to not put you in a mental hospital for life

>>84003502
I cant help how i look, do you think i ticked the box "boy" when i was born, i hate that im forced to live like this, i just want to be left alone and not be targetted stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it, i havent done anything wrong to you, stop being mean to me

>>84003498
ok so lets be specific here, where are your ancestors from in the uk?

>>84003509
Ive travelled, people are nice to me, not like you or the other savages that shuffle around your dump, looking to inflict violence

>>84003517
They're from here too, and mores the pity, i wish i could flee to Europe.

You dont want me here, i dont want to be here. Trans people in Spain get left alone why cant you leave me alone, why do you throw things at me in the street?

>>84003510
Well you see this is mental illness
You didn't choose "boy" but you are a boy and believing you're anything other than that is mental illness
It's okay to be upset about things like this but you need to find way to cope with it that aren't trying to alter your biology

>>84003524
Wrong, i have gender dysphoria, so i treat my symptoms. People like you love inflicting misery. Why? Why are you so determined to cause harm.

We know what makes trans people happy, we know what causes harm and you want to cause harm, why. What do you gain from causing harm?

Other countries are happy to help trans people, your dump is full of ignorant, hateful people eager to inflict harm. You are a bad person

>>84003498
okay, as a tranny myself, i think the question is flawed, the question should be more nuanced like, "if they pass, should they be allowed to use the single-sex facilities" etc. and i think that'd also weed out most of the bad faith actors
>>84003509
>most of the world considers trannies to be mentally ill freaks at best
well, i don't think so, i don't think most places in south america care that much about trannies either way, it's mostly just muslim and/or african shitholes that are bothered by us, a lot of other countries just kinda accept that some people are like that
>>84003523
>why do you throw things at me in the street?
think that's being a bit overdramatic nona. in my 31 years, 16 of which i've spent as a troon, i've never had anyone throw anything at me in the uk

>>84003412
(2)
But let's just say americano does decides, to immigrate to Japan after all, does this makes him a Japanese like he dreamt? Nope, he is still an white man who decided to immigrate to Japan cuz he thinks Japanese culture is too cool. (So a trannie). But people hate him, locals hate him, other Americans hate him basically everyone hates him cuz he is an American and called mentally crazy to immigrate there. But in all honesty, he is happy and actually settling down there ,some people actually accept him and lives there till he dies despite some people hate him. (Happy ending?).

But what if he actually lives there and realises his 1 month trip wasn't enough and he has actually fucked himself. That's the part where the tranny decides they are not a tranny after all, which does happens to quite a lot of people.

So, what's my point here? I think trannies are like people who get quite attach to a particular culture quite a lot and becomes a part of it. Think of it like one of those back packers who travel the whole Asia(people who express themselves however they want) but they actually end up finding a place much better than their own and ended up living their (trannies). Yes, ik there are other factors like border control which decides whether you will be let entered or not and I think it's counter part is the whether society accepts you as someone from a different gender or not.

In short, in my trannies are like those people people who have express them however they like but actually end up finding something they truly resonate with rather than being people who hate hate themselves and hide their insecurities. That's why it feels like incomplete/fake when you put it the way you did earlier.

This was a non-trans person's first attempt to understand what a trannie is. Moreover this was specifically a reply to the anon I replied first, so it might just not be everyone else cup of tea and that's fine as its not exactly meant for everyone.

>>84003535
>so i treat my symptoms
why not treat the cause?

>>84003535
This isn't a debate. You're a man. You think otherwise because you are mentally ill. Nobody else is at fault for your mental health. Enabling this bullshit doesn't help your kind.

>>84003535
This country is happy to help trans people too.
I'm being realistic and telling you that you will never be a woman. You can take hormones and get surgery to remove your penis but you will never be a woman and no one will ever see you as a woman. That's the truth and you need to learn to accept that if you want to be happy. People in other countries have the exact same attitudes and just because people were nice to you in Spain that doesn't mean that Spain is a bastion of tolerance and love.

>>84003540
>think that's being a bit overdramatic nona. in my 31 years, 16 of which i've spent as a troon, i've never had anyone throw anything at me in the uk

I have. Throw bottles at me. Almost hit me too.

>>84003544
Cant change neurological sex, its been tried. Can change the body. Trans people were literally tortured by the NHS, they're still trans. Most are in their 60s and 70s now, and you can listen to them talk if you're genuinely interested in their stories.

No matter how horrible your country becomes I'll always be me

>84003548
You dont even deserve a response

>>84003554
You're just a bully. The UK fucking kills trans people then covers it up. Heard enough of your lies

>>84003563
I don't hate trans people, I respect the struggles they have to face and I don't think anyone should treat them badly. You can be trans and live a fulfilling life and people should be kind to them. But I'm being realistic.

>>84003576
Go away bully, you dont want to learn about what we can change, or what we go through

>>84003542
(3)
Please dont use this as an actual answer to trans people as it can be quite heavily faulty, it's just me trying to understand and if possible explain what might be like to be trans. As I have left out key points like gender dysphoria altho that can be co related Mr Americano not liking his American culture at all and always feeling as it was imposed on him and doesn't relates to it at all.

Also please dont use it as strong evidence against/pro trans people, I am just trying to make people and myself understand trans people. Sorry if I come out to as annoying or transphobic to anyone.

Please feel free to correct me. (I might not be active anymore as its past midnight for me)

>>84003424
One more thing, can you at least agree that there's an actual problem here too where trans people are being hated unnecessarily intensely? I don't think this problem is going to get sloved by claiming that trans ideology is an evil thing that exists, I don't think trans people should be looked down upon like cult members. Seeing them that way only leads to witch hunts against them

>>84003554
>you will never be a woman and no one will ever see you as a woman
you'll be seen as a woman if you pass, at least in superficial interactions. and that's why i can never have deep and meaningful relationships with anyone. i think that's the most that the majority of us can ask for. i mean yeah, under a magnifying glass, they'd probably clock me but that's why i just avoid forming lasting bonds with people.
>>84003548
>Enabling this bullshit doesn't help your kind
i mean what else do you propose?
>>84003576
>I respect the struggles they have to face and I don't think anyone should treat them badly
thanks anon, at least that's nice of you
>>84003542
oh, speaking of asia, it's funny, i've actually spent a few months living here and am even moving here, and i think it's absolutely lovely but obviously i'd never consider myself a local or anything like that. but at best, when they know i'm a foreigner, there's at least an expectation from me, that they'll treat me with some amount of decency. in the same vein, i don't consider myself like an actual biological woman, i'm not actually delusional, i just try to make it so i can live with my body as best i can while trying to fit in as best i can.
>I am just trying to make people and myself understand trans people.
i think your metaphor actually kinda works for some trans people. i think a lot of people who the media uses for their ragebait stories aren't even trans but are rather genuine perverts who try to use the trans identity as a shield for their perversion and fetishes. but some would argue that all trans people are basically that, but i don't agree

>>84003554
I feel like the wording might be coming off as quite rude for OP and I get it, I feel like differentiating the two as biological women and trans women, will be correct wording

Cuz saying a trans woman will never be a woman is quite the oxymoron

Also OP is a bit too pissed and I can see that, please dont take it as too rude, idk what actually happened but seems like OP had some argument with some really rude people and had an overall bad day

Ik you are trying to be understanding but cuz of wording it isn't working out, I hope you understand plz don't take it to the heart
>>84003563
and OP plz take a break, you really need it, you are crashing out on people who are trying to understand as a lot of things you are saying arent arguments just straight up insults

Please take a break from this website

>>84003465
oh no, It's an opinion through and through.
And I'm pretty sure roughly 80% of trans people probably share that exact same sentiment. this isn't the best metaphor but I think it gets my point across: If snake-oil and bloodletting makes people feel better, but later turns out to be a shortsighted practice/school of thought that doesn't address the root issue, is it good for humanity?

>>84003629
> i'd never consider myself a local or anything like that. but at best, when they know i'm a foreigner, there's at least an expectation from me, that they'll treat me with some amount of decency. in the same vein, i don't consider myself like an actual biological woman, i'm not actually delusional, i just try to make it so i can live with my body as best i can while trying to fit in as best i can.

Yup that's what I am tryna say

>i think your metaphor actually kinda works for some trans people.

Yup I question my identity and shi a lot too that's why I feel like at least my attempt might help someone understand what a queer person might be going through as it might be quite faulty but atleast easy to pick up

>trans but are rather genuine perverts who try to use the trans identity as a shield for their perversion and fetishes. but some would argue that all trans people are basically that, but i don't agree

I very much agree, like alot of people on this board "become" gay cuz they saw a sexy looking femboy or trans which is straight up stupid

Tho what can we do?
Anyway I should go and sleep now, good morning/afternoon/evening/good night everyone

>male autism
>female persecution complex
worst of both worlds

>>84003657
>Please take a break from this website

Ok I'll listen, no more horrible 4chan for a while

>>84003600
I agree. I'm not a bigot as in screaming slurs and yawnbawing people. (though some people certainly think so.)
Actual anti-trans sentiment gets drowned out by blatant hate and radical terfs.
Trans people are usually decent people stuck in a cycle of self-loathing and approval seeking from the uncaring plebian masses. It just ain't sustainable.
The constant hate and poopflinging from each side polarizes people even more. Like I said, the rightwing religious people, and the transgender people, both see eachother as existential threats, because both mindsets regarding gender, like I've said before make gender a core part of ones identity (albeit in different ways).
>label yourself a different gender to appease your psychological imbalances, reinforcing gender norms
>beleive that your biological sex has to match how you act in society, also reinforcing gender norms.
Two dogs barking up the wrong tree.

>>84003688
There is no research that shows bloodletting cures illnesses but there is research that shows trans people do better when you let them transition. You want to deny people something because of the hypothetical idea that it might later turn out to be shortsighted. The way it stands right now that's just not the way to go.

>>84003746
>There is no research that shows bloodletting cures illnesses
What nonsense are you making up, they found regular bloodletting reduced the amount of toxins in the blood of firemen

>>84003732
Trans people don't reinforce gender norms any more than cis people. When a cis woman wears a dress no one is going to complain but if a trans woman wears one it's suddenly evil and enforcing something when in reality you should just let people wear what they want to wear regardless of how they think of themselves.

>>84003688
>but later turns out to be a shortsighted practice/school of thought that doesn't address the root issue
yeah but you don't know what the root issue is, it may very well be that a subset of us do end up being better off this way, at least better off that in the alternative. i've seen how repping breaks people, like, i don't think it can seriously be proposed as a good alternative, so trooning out is kinda like the least bad option. most of us take no pride in this and if there was a button i could press to make the tranny thoughts go away when i was younger, i would have. i don't think i'd press it now because after being a troon for like 16 years i can't really imagine myself living as a moid again but that's mostly an issue of perspective, i guess.
>>84003732
>I'm not a bigot as in screaming slurs and yawnbawing people
yeah that's really all we can really ask for desu, i kinda wish we could go back to the status quo when most normies just didn't care about the existence of trans people at all, the push for trans visibility has been a mistake and has probably caused a lot of social contagion as a side effect, if one believes that social contagion is a thing for some people (and i think it might be, especially with the more recent notion that dysphoria is not necessary to be trans)
>>84003746
>The way it stands right now that's just not the way to go
yup, exactly

>>84003768
That must be like a one case study it is generally considered to be ineffective. Hrt is not generally considered to be ineffective at changing your secondary sex characteristics

>>84003775
Like I said, gender norms affect everyone negatively.
I'm not disagreeing with that part, just gender theory on a metaphysical/linguistic, and psychological level.
>>84003778
The root issue is dysphoria. Plain and simple. The feeling that you are in the wrong body/not your true self. Which I believe is combatable (at least for troons) by detatching gender from identity, Embracing your physical body metaphysically, while still keeping your actual identity free from gender norms.
>so trooning out is kinda like the least bad option
Still doesn't mean there isn't a better way to do things. But it has become so culturally entrenched as a subculture that I don't think people are open minded enough to try anything else on a large scale.
>>84003768
see above greentext. Just because it's good for some doesn't mean there isn't a better way/doesn't have faults. Unlike freedom of sexuality, I don't think gender theory is built to last, it's built on psychologically shaky ground and has glommed onto the rest of Queer sexuality, which is a bit concerning because transgenderism is a completely different animal. It's a bandaid solution for dysphoria, when facing insecurities and acting independently from societal norms is the real solution.