Anyone else feel kinda bad for pedophiles? If we accept that people can't choose who they're attracted to, being born a pedophile means you're life is basically ruined before you even started. If you choose never to act on your urges, you'll still have to live a lifetime of shame and repression. If you do act on your urges, the consequences are massive. People don't react well when I say this, but idc. I feel bad for anyone who lives a miserable life due to conditions totally outside their control.
>>84007301Pedophiles/ephebophiles are usually made, they don't typically just come out that way. Usually they endured sexual abuse themselves.
I think about this all the time like they literally cannot help it, right? Why is life unfair like that? they didn't ask to be born like that or born at all
I feel like oftentimes people will agree with your premises but end up bewildered and disgusted by their logical conclusion. If you believe 1) You cannot choose who you are attracted to (besides later attempts through therapy)2) You should not be judged for something beyond your controlThen you have no real justification to hate non offending pedophiles, only for your disapproval of some of their decisions to not go to therapy.
>>84007312that does not change the fact that it is out of their control and due to stigma they can't go to like a therapist about it or anything
>>84007329I'm non-offending and would never act on anything bad, it couples with S-OCD. Not a good look for me
>>84007322>>84007323Another thing that frustrates me is that it's basically socially unacceptable to hold any position other than>people who are attracted to children deserve to be tortured and murderedEven suggesting that pedophiles are humans who deserve basic empathy and compassion is enough to get you ostracized from most spaces.
>>84007342Can you elaborate on your OCD struggles?
>>84007301its just newspeak to demonize natural human behaviour
>>84007342I really do feel bad you have to have this life.
>>84007350maybe we should torture and murder all the mothers and dads that love their kids
>>84007369don't say this because unironically i wonder if there will be "actually it's pedophilic to show affection to children" discourse one day
>>84007301Every single straight human male that has ever existed has wanted to fuck a teen girl.
>>84007386well, it is, just check the roots of the word, liking children in any way or form counts, so say goodbye to your grandma, and to your children's teachers too, they treated your kiddo good so they deserve to be murdered and tortured... that lady she used to give you free candy? she gonna be gassed like a cockroach pretty soon too
>>84007355I don't think I could tell you anything that you couldn't find online. I'm not sure what there is to say.>>84007362I could never bring myself to hurt anyone sexually, or even physically for that matter (within reason). Not just because of the moral implications but because of my own inner framework of operating sexually. I am very sexually repressed for that reason alone, that I am afraid of my sexuality.>>84007357Natural doesn't mean healthy. I have the same thoughts sometimes like, "we're supposed to breed young as soon as we finish puberty," but that doesn't mean it's right. If that was the case I should've tried to fulfill that role a little better when I was younger so I could've had healthy offspring and hopefully they would breed young, encurring strong genetic health.What's really killing the human race is breeding and having children too old. In the natural world I assume we'd be having children extremely young. And there is still a lot of disgust for me there, as we all know men have always been pedophiles/ephebophiles throughout history. It's engrained in us both genetically and societally. As good as one tries to be it is always there.Remember, these are just thoughts. I wish I had kids when I was young (16-21) with someone in the same age range for optimal reproductive potential.
In Europe it's more common and accepted to think like that. Also there are specific state-sponsored therapy options for them. And most pedophiles are attracted to adults too, so being a pedophile doesn't mean their life is ruined.
>>84007417the nature doesnt give a fuck about what you think is right or not... every day for the human in the nature is a hard work for survival, lots of people wont even live past 18 years, you think they dont deserve to reproduce and continue their legacy just because you think is not right for them to reproduce? Well, God doesnt care about your opinion, God doesnt care about the laws, and will provide them with the means for the survival of their bloodline
>>84007435>the nature doesnt give a fuck about what you think is right or notI know. It still doesn't make it right.And you're right. The Bible does say be fruitful. However, we haven't been nymphs frolicking in the proverbial garden for a very long time.
>>84007427That's true. I cannot think of any that have SOLE attraction to children.
>>84007312This is also true of homosexuals. Statistically, a disproportionate amount of homosexual men report enduring some form of sexual abuse as a child. Pretty much every gay or bisexual man has a story about this, but they often dress it up as quirky or "enlightening" when their older male relatives force them to perform oral sex.
>>84007498I assume it's also true for trans people. However I think all of these sexual proclivities and urges are very harmful. I think sex is inherently an act of violence, even if done in the most gentle, loving way possible. "Penetration." Try to make that sound non-violent. I abstain, which is why I am Apollonian over Dionysian. I believe in chastity, and delayed gratification, more or less in a world of endless hedonic treadmilling.
>>84007526Transsexuality is heavily correlated with autism. Transsexuals, at least the ones I have known, rarely have direct traumatic experiences, but basically all of them have autism and are into anime.
>>84007526Dworkin-esque
>>84007534Dworkin fantasised about being raped by a handsome mysterious Frenchman.
>>84007528Lol, well, I think this conversation has veered away from the concrete. The mind can repress a great deal, especially from formative ages. You simply do not know what has happened in a person's past, (even their irrecoverable past to themselves,) to make such a judgement call. Could those same behaviors not be a reflection/coping mechanism of something childish/adolescent in nature? All that Peter Pan syndrome had to come from somewhere.
>>84007301Being attracted to children is a mental illness often caused by abuse and other problems.I hope you mean prepubescent with the word children, because all men are sexually attracted to girls between 16 to 24, all of them, even those that lie about it. See penis blood flow changes studies upon showing girls to a male audience of both pedophiles and non pedophiles.Spoiler the pedophiles activated with actual children, while all men activated with girls in that age range
>>84007534>DworkinOk, nice enlightening talk. You really brought a lot to the table in this discussion.
>>84007535well that makes sense because she was raped and that being raped as a child framed her entire work
>>84007542Yes, I could never be attracted to a pre-pubescent minor. I usually only find 17+ attractive typically and that's just my subconscious truth. But that's also NOT PEDOPHILIA, and yet people will still say, "ERM PEDOPHILE!" When in actuality they're just factually wrong, it's a knee-jerk reaction.
>>84007539You are probably right to some degree.
>>84007544That person clearly was saying it because she ALSO thought penetration was an evil act you maroon
>>84007555Well, I appreciate that. Think of why actual pedophiles target children? They know it'll traumatize them for life, even if they don't remember much if anything. Nice trips, btw.
>>84007301>Anyone else feel kinda bad for pedophiles?No>If we accept that people can't choose who they're attracted toThat also means that there will never be a cure, so there is no point keeping them around, hoping for a "rehabilitation" (whatever the fuck that means)At some point this just becomes preemptive self defense for the rest.
>>84007556If I wanted to read a book, I'd read a book. This is what's called a conversation, colloquially known as an exchange and transposition of ideals.
>>84007566So you're basically saying that people should be punished for thought crime? Even if they never act on their urges, pedophiles should be punished for thinking illegal thoughts?
>>84007539>>84007555desu i dont think tranny behavior usually fits that of someone who has been sexually abused, which people who repress those memories still do havei dont think it's really fair to say "you just cant know what happened and they cant either" and then say you know they've been sexually abused bc you just do
>>84007899>then say you know they've been sexually abused bc you just doRight. Because their decision to transition solely stemmed from fetishes and hormonal imbalances, right? Okay anon.
>>84007301The issue is demonizing the attraction itself and thinking every pedophile is a child rapist. It really doesn't bother me if some guy's cock twitches a bit when he walks past a playground, PROVIDED he has the presence of mind and self reflection skills to avoid being around kids and never laying a hand on one. If not, then he should be put down.
>>84007920i mean, you just kind of made it up because they're the t in lgbt and thus related to gay people or something
>>84007927Oh, you're fucking retarded and not even worth conversing with. My mistake, anon. I won't respond to such blatant stupidity ever again.
>>84007542>all men are sexually attracted to girls between 16 to 2416 is the age of consent in many if not most western countries so yeah that kinda tracks.
>>84007580>(sophistry in an attempt to manipulate me.)yes, get fucked.
>>84008255How is this sophistry? You've devolved into insulting me because I'm right and you have no response.
How would you even know someone was a pedophile if they didn't offend?Doesn't it stand to reason that a large percentage of men are non offending pedophiles?
>>84008255The fact that you have no rational response is so funny. The conceit of why pedophilia is wrong is because children are harmed, so if children aren't harmed, then why do you hate non-offenders?Should we also kill people who have homocidal thoughts because one day they may kill someone?
>wakes up>checks /r9k/>sees this actual philosophical discussion be buried under shitposts and troonpoststhis is the worst site ever.
>>84007301A little yes but I try not to pity myself too much I could jerk off to adults but little girls are just way cuter>>84008292Yes
>>84007405Thats not true, you are just sick
>>84009347Teens didn't even exist for most of human history, you were child then you were an adult and that adult age wasn't 18 until relatively recently. This century of pedophile hysteria is a fraction of human history.
>>84007301I understand something like that I mean I may not be a pedo but I do have proclivites that society doesn't accept either. And it's quite suffocating.
>>84008275That is basically what they argue for. That's why he got mad.
>>84007301not particularly, it's not like its hard to just shut the fuck up and dont talk about your fetishes.also you have like tons of loli and shota doujins and hentai to consume.if you watch cp or try to diddle a kid you should be put to sleep
>>84009417So you're basically arguing for thought policing. Do you know how dystopian and pathetic THAT is?
it's like any other paraphilia that has a basis in doing something reprehensible and/or without consent, rape fetish or necrophilia or sadistic fetishes or bestiality shitthe primary reason anyone enjoys extreme fetishes like this is that they are wrong, if it wasn't taboo then the extreme paraphilias would stop existing in new generations altogether... it's legitimately the cognitive dissonance of "this is wrong, i can't believe how much i enjoy this" that makes it more desirable than just jerking off to consenting adult modelsthere's no arguing the morality of it, it's wrongin arguing the harm of it, you're just weighing inhibitionlow inhibition people are usually shit people in many other ways as well, they're the niggers of the world who shoplift and cause chaos in their interpersonal relationships and in societybasically what I'm trying to say isyou're not a shit person for wanting to fuck kidsyou're a shit person if you're selfish/sociopathic enough for it to manifestand honestly i would rather be roommates with a clean polite pedophile than a normalnigger who only jerks off to vanilla porn but is dirty and loud and annoying
>>84007301see thats the point if a person is gay they still choose whether to still date/fuck the person in question the choice is still in their handsand in case of pedophiles despite being attracted to them they still have the choice whether to do smt with a child or not
>>84007301Its like the rest of the lgeoifbfdslt, keep that shit to yourself and there's no problem. But I wonder what is going to happen as governments continue to shut down more and more alternate "harmless" methods of relief like hentai and sex dolls. There's more mentally ill people out there than ever before, a lot of them will snap in one way or another.
>>84009428no, but if i went to everyone i knew and i say "I love crossdressing and getting fucked in the ass" most people would be weirded outjust dont talk about it lmao how hard is that, idc if you are a pedo as long as you dont fucking destroy a kids life directly or indirectly (by consuming cp)
>>84009508Did you know most people who watch child porn don't actually identify as pedo's? Regular people watch it more than pedo's do. We all have instrusive thoughts. Maybe not all pedo but neurons hallucinate, just like neural networks do so by that logic everyone is bad.
