I don't think women want toxic men.

As for fun, of course. Who doesn't want to have fun?
There are many different ways to have fun tho and what one woman considers fun another woman may not.
I do think it's important to have good sex. That's something that can be learned so that's good.

>>84298055
None of this matters if you're not top 20% in looks. Getting beaten by an ugly man wouldn't make a woman feel a thing

>>84298070
which is why i said your method of being fun doesnt matter you just need to be not boring you can achieve that by not being toxic too

>>84298070
Correction: they don't want a toxic man who doesn't change.

They confuse their toxicity with dark triad charisma because their pussies get turned on at being raped.

>>84298073
youre just genuinely a retarded khhv stuff like this matters so much more than looks in long relationships
im not talking about hookups but proper relationships like you need to do this if you dont want to end up on r/deadbedrooms

>>84298073
Honestly, personality does beat looks.
I've seen plenty of conventionally good looking men with a personality that just doesnt fit well with mine and I had no attraction towards them.
How a man behaves makes them more physically attractive too.
I think that's just how people work, no? Isn't it the same with guys?
When you meet someone that you get along with well their features become attractive to you.

>>84298082
Honestly, speaking from my own experience, I don't want a toxic man to begin with.
I don't want to "fix" someone. I'd much rather be comfortable with someone right away.

>>84298089
Yeah now you don't because you are experienced. Now you want to settle down with a beta. Tale as old as time

>>84298085
And how would one get into a relationship without initial attraction?

>>84298089
>I've seen plenty of conventionally good looking men with a personality that just doesnt fit well with mine and I had no attraction towards them
You wouldn't even know what their personalities were like if they weren't attractive. Unattractive men are invisible to women

>>84298055
Its very easy to understand women. Step one, ask them for dating advice. Step two, do everything they say but in reverse.

>>84298089
>Isn't it the same with guys?
Also not really. I instantly know whether I find a girl attractive. I don't care about whether we get along. It's more important that a girl has an interesting personality, even if she's bad person that I don't get along with

women like toxicity because it gives them an emotional reaction. women would prefer a douchebag who gives her bad emotional reactions over some regular boring guy who makes her feel nothing. also be good looking

>>84298121
>also be good looking
this is valid for literally everything but for my post and especially for long relationships every woman would prefer a toxic fun mid guy over a good looking nice boring guy even if they wouldnt admit this publicly

>>84298103
I'm not "experienced" and I don't want to settle down with a beta.

The reason I reply to these kind of threads is to be a woman you can talk to and ask questions.
I promise to be 100% honest, I don't have anything to gain or lose by being here.
I have many girl friends, we're all different, I think I know how we operate more or less so I may have some helpful insight.
That's all. You can either use the opportunity to get to understand women better or you can ignore me and .. well, keep forming opinions based on what other men who don't talk to women tell you about women.

>>84298108
I disagree. I don't choose to hang out only with people who are conventionally attractive.

>>84298139
>I don't choose to hang out only with people who are conventionally attractive
Why would you ever choose to associate with an ugly male?

>>84298139
>The reason I reply to these kind of threads is to be a woman you can talk to and ask questions.
Alright so assuming youre a real woman do you think there was anything wrong with my post about how the only things that matter are not being boring and being good at sex in a long term relationship

>>84298055
no. those are just part of what women want like everyone wants at least someone they have fun with and sex is important for a lot of people but other stuff is as important like if you love him and how he treats you which is why women leave abusive guys as soon as they can and I know what your going to say but nobody actually stays with abusive guys if they can leave or they don't know he's abusive because he's manipulating her. and if you try to act different just for a relationship then your going to be miserable

>>84298147
I think both are very important.

However, fun doesn't need to be toxic. I don't enjoy toxic people and drama.
I just want to be comfortable around someone and have a good time (as do most people).
What is really important is to find time to do things together, go on fun dates.
Going karting, building legos, going to an amusment park - that's my kind of fun.

And of course, it's important to have good sex. That can be learned tho.
I can go more into this if needed.

Another important thing is to let the other person just be themselves.
Let them be querky, don't be embarassed of them, don't shame them.
We just want to feel comfortable with you.
I also don't like it with men talk down on other people who are just having fun.
Calling people "cringe" because of their hobbies and things they enjoy is a turn off for me personally.

>>84298149
>Why would you ever choose to associate with an ugly male?
Because I don't judge people based on their looks like that.
Especially if it's something that's not in your control.
Being good looking doesn't mean you're a good person.

>>84298155
This was to your post, seems you deleted it meanwhile
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>>84298195
Isnt it the opposite regarding the comfortable part tho like i've noticed that women hate when the relationship gets too comfortable or too predictable like this isnt related to being toxic or not but more on keeping her on her toes and surprising her with new shit

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>>84298055
Im so tired of the wholesome cookie cutter charade from women. Imagine if a singular woman was actually based and said retarded shit we all think inside. I need a foid with a male brain bad.

>>84298228
>I need a foid with a male brain bad.
Ive had multiple friends like this, the trick is that I talk to literally every girl i meet irl who i dont want to have any romantic connections with the same way i would talk to some guy friend of mine like using the same mannerisms same words same topics etc

>>84298227
Comfortable and predictable isn't the same thing.

Comfortable doesn't mean that you should just sit at home and watch tv together.
That's predictable and boring.
Maybe sometimes when men "get the woman" they stop putting in the effort they were putting before they got with her.
Maybe he was pretending to be something he wasn't to get with her so when he "stops the act" it may feel like he is not the person you fell in love with.
So I think it's important that the effort you're putting in is genuine, you should do it because you love that woman and not just because you want to get with her.

By comfortable I mean that I want to feel like I can be myself with you. I want to be able to tell you ANYTHING without feeling like I shoulndn't.
I also would want you to be fully yourself when you're with me. I don't want a guy to feel like he needs to act a certain way around me.
I also don't want to feel like I have to pretend to be someone else around you, that sounds so exhausting.
This isn't boring or predictable. That's being comfortable.
In fact, when you're comfortable with someone I think you'd have way more fun with each other too.
You can just go out and be silly together. Do what makes you happy.

>>84298282
Also, there's nothing wrong with just chilling at home and watching tv.
I love that, I'm lazy sometimes, especially after I've had a long day.

But from time to time, to keep the spark alive, I'd love to go for a walk, do some new fun activity, break the monotone life we are sometimes forced to live.

>>84298282
women are usually the ones who plan activities in relationships so this is a bunch of bullshit

>>84298282
most of this is true except this part
>I also would want you to be fully yourself when you're with me. I don't want a guy to feel like he needs to act a certain way around me.
literally every girl wants her guy to act a certain way around them or they would get an ick and im not saying i dont want to act a certain way too like being manly or or being a dom or being a kinda specific personality etc
and like this is a different topic but so many women get turned off when the guy kinda acts emotional instead of being stoic when it comes to this stuff too

>>84298295
>women are usually the ones who plan activities in relationships so this is a bunch of bullshit
this was part of it too women dont like to plan at all and instead want to be told
like instead of getting together with you girl and planning your date or something she would much much rather prefer you just telling her something like aight be ready this time we're going here or we're eating this etc

>>84298295
That depends from a person to person.
Some women want guys to plan all of it, some want more control over their dates.

Personally, I like a balance.
I don't want to be the only one putting in the effort to plan dates.
I also love to be surprised sometimes.
If you listen to me and know what I love, it's easy to come up with a date I would love.
This would show me that you listen to me and care about me.

I also love to plan dates. I make sure to do something the other person would be interested in.
This is my way of showing that I care about you having a good time.

>>84298302
The whole "ick" thing is way too immature for me.
I'm not a teenager.

I want a guy to feel comfortable enough to be genuine around me.
Can you even have a genuine and loving relationship if both of you aren't comfortable to just be yourselves around each other?

>but so many women get turned off when the guy kinda acts emotional instead of being stoic
I've heard of this being the case so I'm not going to say this doesn't happen, I'm sure it does.
I have a lot of girl friends and none of them have ever complained to me about a guy being too emotional, honestly.
From my own experience, this has also never been an issue. Guys not being vulnerable enough is more of an issue for me personally.
We're all human, it's human to have emotions. I don't expect a guy to be emotionless and to never have any emotional struggles.
I'd hope he would feel comfortable enough to confide in me and talk to me whenever he wants to.
I would never shame him for being emotional with me because I know men get shamed for that enough.
Why would I want to make my man feel shamed for being human and having human emotions? It's stupid.

But again, I've heard this is the case and men have been shamed by women for crying in front of them.
I just don't see this sort of stuff in my circles and I don't think it's as common as people here are led to believe.

>>84298244
No you didnt have multiple. Im not talking about your typical "dude girls". Im talking about a woman that would make me die from laughter.

>>84298055
This is true and why Ghislaine and Epstein were such a good couple. They just enjoyed doing evil things together.
Basically all women want is a supervillain to do evil shit with her

>>84298055
Abusechadmaxxing only works if you're better looking than her genetically. If you pay attention to every time a woman is Alpha Widowed and are objective about appearances the man is genetically better than her even if hes a bum mentally. Ugly men basically have to jestermax simp and oofy doofy or she won't let you hit. Women don't give a shit about sex with average men it's just a manipulation tool for leverage and bait. They do want experiences and resources though if you can leverage that. That's why chad and tyrone can be violent dumb poor criminals and still hit and you can't with your boring 9-5 stable job without pandering to her. If you're objectively uglier than her she's just going to think you're a creepy weirdo if you try to act like abusechad without offering her any other benefit. Only time women even want sex is when they're ovulating and actually get horny. It's really not that complicated but you fags are always trying sum it up incorrectly because you think women care about sex like men do. They don't think like us they give out sex for the same reason men pay out money to women a lot it's a currency and a resource for them.

>>84298412
>Ugly men basically have to jestermax simp and oofy doofy or she won't let you hit.
This makes it sound like your end goal is to just sleep with a woman.
I wouldn't want someone to hang out with me and pretend to enjoy my company only so he could sleep with me.
Seems very yucky and manipulative.

>Only time women even want sex is when they're ovulating and actually get horny.
Oftentimes true, yes. Ovulation bring a different kind of horny.
Women don't care to get with a guy just to have sex most of the time.

>they give out sex for the same reason men pay out money to women a lot it's a currency and a resource for them.
That's only the case if sex with that guy isn't good and enjoyable.
If sex is good and mutually enjoyed, it's desired by both parties.
Gotta make sure you satisfy her as well.

>>84298055
Dumb incel take. Just don't be weird and stop overthinking things. Also don't be creepy.

>>84298463
>This makes it sound like your end goal is to just sleep with a woman.
>I wouldn't want someone to hang out with me and pretend to enjoy my company only so he could sleep with me.
>Seems very yucky and manipulative.
I'm ngl this is me and it's because 99% of the women I interact with irl are painfully boring and I have a high libido

>>84298589
Why is it you find them boring?
What would an interesting woman look like to you?