>>84308757
name a single good thing that has come from women being treated equally cause i literally cant

>>84308757
It always was. Unconditional love is some Disney psy-op shit. Don't be stupid.

>>84308757
Love is conditional in that you shouldn't cheat on your lover.

>>84308757
Women are incapable of unconditional love, even towards their own children. They always expect something in return.

>>84308766
And they're so fucking ungrateful too. You could pay for her education, give her a place to live, care for her when she's unwell, buy her everything she wants, and take her on lavish trips, and she will never show a single shred of gratitude. She'll just call that the "bare minimum."
But if you forget to take out the trash a single time, or leave the toilet seat up, or ask her for sex when she's not in the mood, suddenly none of that ever happened and you've always been an abusive monster in her eyes.
I'm so glad I stopped chasing women. They're fucking evil.

>>84308757
A less attractive woman would be okay with it
men should take their own advice

>>84308766
I'm sorry you had a terrible mother anon but I don't believe this isn't true of all women. Both my mother and sister love all of their children unconditionally so unless you wish to say they are unique exceptions then your statement is false.

>>84308763
unconditional love is when men can force the woman to stay with them because they have no other viable options apparently.

>>84308773
This is also not true in my experience. A womans attractiveness has no impact on whether she is willing to date somebody she perceives as a loser and the women who do not take such things into consideration are few and far between, just as rare the men who do not think of attractiveness primarily.

>>84308774
Actually my mother was great in spite of her female behavior.

>>84308784
I have to disagree if you believe she doesn't love you unconditionally, though that might be a mistake on my part and the issue is your cynicism and not her lack of unconditional love.

Women are no longer forced to settle for bottom of the barrel trash and that makes many men very upset.

>>84308763
>It always was. Unconditional love is some Disney psy-op shit. Don't be stupid

If you actually remember the movies. All the guys were princes. Like actual royalty with infinite money. Us little boys didn't figure it out at the time. That the little girls in princess dresses were hoping to get infinite money and status.

>>84308757
It was always a fantasy bro.

>>84308810
It is a math problem inevitably because if you are not "settling" (women) or encouraging and allowing improvement (society) then there will be just as many women alone as men and the only difference will be that men experience this earlier while women experience it later.
It is unfortunate and I am not sure it is a problem that can be solved except on the individuals level.

>>84308757
Its literally the only thing I wanted. But it doesn't matter anymore it doesn't exist

>Being successful is providing material value to women that don't see you as human, but as walking wallets
Sorry, I got off this crazy ride a while ago. I enjoy my own company and that of my dog

>>84308820
Women will be totally unhappy and lonely! Any day now!

>>84308812
Even a literal bull monster gets prime virgin poon while Gaston the self improover but low birth status has to resort to used tavern sluts

>>84308826
Not the young women, just the aged and used ones. Nothing will change and nothing will be gained from that though

>>84308826
>women are totally happy watching bridgerton all day and waiting for the chad that will never come
kek

>>84308757
Im so glad i found myself a Non Western Girl who is willing to make sacrifices to be with me. Western women could never.

you are justa dmitting you are pathetic and there is nothing to love in you

>>84308839
>Nothing will change and nothing will be gained from that though
What do you mean? They're living better lives than ever.

>>84308826
>Women will be totally unhappy and lonely! Any day now!
Your attempt to mock me by making an argument of incredulity will not work. It does not stand up to reality and there is just as many "cat ladies" as there is incels.
Please stop with these petty arguments and tactics as there is no victory to be gained here no matter who "wins" the argument. I understand you are bitter about men for one reason or another, just as many incels are bitter about women, but it is futile to engage with hate and mockery.

>>84308854
Bahahaha coping hag

>>84308854
>What do you mean? They're living better lives than ever.
I have to ask by what metrics are they better? Because in terms of happiness, and according to all feminist studies, there is no difference between the first world women and the third world women who are oppressed.
I am not of the opinion that we should "go back" to times where women were oppressed but to stop where we are will not achieve anything as unhappiness between both genders is fomenting.

>>84308856
Cat ladies chose to be cat ladies. Understand the difference. They ARE doing what's best for them.

>>84308869
cat ladies couldn't find gigachad before they got too old and ugly to lock himd own

>>84308800
Go ahead and quit your job and stop paying bills for few months then see if your mother's love truly has no strings attached. As long as you are providing value to them, they're great but at the end of the day they are females. They see men as tools and nothing else.

>>84308865
>I totally don't want to oppress women, but I'm still going float the idea that they should be with men they don't find attractive
You're not very good at this.

>>84308869
>Cat ladies chose to be cat ladies.
Some of them did yes, just as some men choose to be celibate but they are exceptions in both cases and you know it.
Please stop gaslighting people into unhappy lifestyles, it only makes the world worse.

I think thats just mean of her desu.

>>84308836
>Even a literal bull monster gets prime virgin poon
He was a prince with a magic castle wasn't he? Though it looked like he threatened to beat the shit out of her a bunch times.

>>84308874
>men they don't find attractive
>anybody who isn't a top 99.9999% genetic freak
just buy a vibrator already hag

>>84308875
>unhappy lifestyles
So drinking laudanum out the bottle to cope with being chained to their ugly husbands is the ideal way for them to live?

>>84308874
> but I'm still going float the idea that they should be with men they don't find attractive
You are making up things I didn't say, and I also did not claim to force any changes upon anybody. I explicitly stated that there was no solution to this outside of the individual level, i.e free will.
I can sit here all day and dispel your disingenuous interpretations of my points if you wish but I assure you that you will tire out before me.

>>84308757
>just give me shit because the world is scary and I cant do anything myself
>also if you dont you are a loser
>no wait! dont leave me here, wait!
>the world is scary

this is how women think, never give them anything, if society falls because men dont want to support women becase all their brains are thinking is:
>scared, scared, threat, threat, give me, give me, resources, hide away, hide away

then what fucking world is that anyway to live in? I dont want to live in that world anyway. Where your "equal" are just fucking rats running around.

>>84308761
Men finally realizing why women weren't allowed to have rights. There are a few competent women out there in the world but the vast majority are incompetent useless whores. Actual net negative on society

>>84308886
Now you make a false dichotomy. The choice is not between being forced into unhappy relationships while intoxicated and living alone.
You know these are not the only two choices and to frame it as such is disingenuous and in bad faith.

>>84308887
There's really nothing to argue because it's pretty much black and white, you either force women to be with men they don't find attractive or you don't and they will do their best to be happy on their own. There is no middle ground.

>>84308900
I disagree completely and there is no need to force anything. They choice is not between "forcing unhappiness" and "allowing happiness alone" and you construct this dichotomy intentionally to mislead people I believe but let's not get into arguments of intention as that is also unproductive.

This place is one of the last bastions of free speech on the internet where you can freely talk about men's problems in modernity and you still have simps and holes encroaching upon this space

Why don't you go to instagram and get your updoots there you worthless retards?

>>84308912
Oh grow up. As if X isn't flooded with manosphere crap.

>>84308923
go complain about how Chad won't call you back after giving you a creampie on X

>>84308923
>Oh grow up. As if X isn't flooded with manosphere crap.
the algo gives you what you are looking for

>>84308909
>They choice is not between "forcing unhappiness" and "allowing happiness alone"
Then what is it? You know perfectly well that those are the only two real outcomes. People like to pretend that life is super complicated with infinite possibilities but it's actually pretty simple.

>>84308912
>>84308923
I agree with the second poster but want to add nuance. The whole of the internet is engaged in a gender war and I would prefer this place to be a retreat.
I feel the same about politics and other things. It used to be that we could joke about these topics to de stress and uncouple ourselves from them but it is more difficult to do now as everybody likes to be serious and demands to be taken seriously.

>>84308880
Right and thats all women want

>>84308935
>You know perfectly well that those are the only two real outcomes.
You make this claim but i'm not sure you can support it, can you provide the logic steps that builds to this conclusion please and I will attempt to deconstruct it if I can?

>>84308937
The problem is that women encroach male spaces for attention and validation. Stop trying to invade all male spaces

>>84308952
You're the one proposing the existence of a third way, the burden of proof is on you. My argument is supported by history, yours is purely theoretical.

>>84308897
>b-but men cause wars!!
you mean men made actual history and impact on the world. i hate that retarded counterpoint. what do animals do when you hunt them for food? they run or fight. its part of life.

the few that are competent are still insufferable since they're women. not worth even fucking imo.

>>84308912
>one of the last bastions of free speech on the internet
You get banned for a month for saying nigger. Twitter doesn't even ban you for that anymore. I'm tired of people acting like this place is special. The singular thing it has going for it is "anonymity" that I'm also tired of pretending is a real thing. This is the only site that still doesn't let people use VPNs. Several people have had the feds bust down their door over 4chan posts in the past decade. You think you're safe from that?

>>84308960
>You're the one proposing the existence of a third way, the burden of proof is on you.
False. It is not a claim I made but a claim you made by saying there is only two ways and so the burden is on you. Provide the evidence and build to this logical conclusion please.
>inb4 read a book

>>84308972
Still orders of magnitude more free than any other platform, but yes, its current state is still sad

>>84308978
I already made my argument, women can either marry those they find desirable or do their best to be happy alone. If you force them to be with men they don't find desirable then they won't be happy. You can keep talking in legalese and trying to find the right combination of words to make it go away but that's just reality.

>>84308992
Do you want men to force women to marry them like it's Pakistan? That's the only way we're going to get the birth rate up.

>>84308999
We both know that's not feasible. Who's going to enforce that?

>>84308992
>I already made my argument, women can either marry those they find desirable or do their best to be happy alone. If you force them to be with men they don't find desirable then they won't be happy.
These are just claims and you have not provided any evidence. Please provide some logical groundwork for me to consider as I did for you.

>>84309006
It works everywhere outside the west, and it worked here until about 60 years ago. Would you rather we fill up the country with immigrant rapists?

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>if you're a plumber, carpenter, electrician, welder you're a "loser"
>only super rich dark triad gigachads are not losers and I refuse to give any other man the time of day, loser
Yeah, women have marched straight towards this incredibly shallow hyperelitist bullshit. I honestly never thought they'd be that petty, I thought leftists were supposed to be anti-elite. And exactly how many of these often overweight women are the girlboss gaslight bitch CEO of Fashion Magazine New York City or whatever their goals in life are? And they sit there on their fat asses judging working men. lol, lmao

Society really has gone to absolute shit. This isn't some /r/incel /r/theredpill meme, it has, the only groups that are resisting the decadence, degeneracy and degradation are like hyperreligious amish and mormons. The modern atheist nihilist world is slowly crumbling and being replaced, if not by trad american white protestants then muslims, hindus and hispanic catholics who even though poor and in the ghetto at least want to live in this world and raise a family in it.

Nietzsche was wrong, nihilism isn't a stepping stone to uebermensch, we're stuck here. If you aren't religious maybe you can delve into philosophy. Life is short, every second you have is precious et cetera... Maybe AI and this societal existential crisis will spur something on, but ultimately we need faith in something, we need to claw our way out of this hollow consoomerist gangsta lifestyle constantly seeking the dopamine coom and not giving a shit about anything else or anyone else.

I have bitcoin money, I have some "success". To be honest I barely did anything to get it, but I'm working to make myself worthy of this lucky fortune and believe me I'm hiding it and staying the fuck away from deranged women like this no matter how hot they are.

>>84309011
What do immigrants have to do with this? They're not marrying local women so I don't see how that's relevant.

>>84309011
Women have been reading so many rape novels they want rapists

>>84309025
>foid doesn't know how the economy works
why do you think every western country is importing infinite jeets?

>>84308761
they aren't treated equally, thyey're treated better.
They still have the legal and cultural protections designed fror when they were deemed dependent


Feminism is a weapon of war.

>>84309035
I think it's a little bit more complicated than that. Weren't you guys complaining that they're not very effective and don't do much for the economy?

>>84309025
Are you not worried about the risks of raising your children around hostile foreigners?

>>84309046
A weapon of war against low quality men.

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>>84309047
They're fodder to keep the economy going, it doesn't matter if they're retarded. You have singlehandedly lowered my opinion on women's intelligence here congrats

>>84309051
I don't have any children and I don't feel particularly unsafe.

>>84308757
It always was but this also means that if you achieve success you should only date younger women.

It shockingly is actually even cheaper than dating women your own age, at least if you look decent and pick an age range of say 10-15 years younger, where you're not in sugar dating territory yet

>>84308757
Shit's literally an op to prevent us talking about brownoid crime.

>>84309018
>hispanic catholics
These niggers would be fine if they LEARNED
FUCKING
ENGLISH
YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A DECADE PEDRO
LEARN THE GOD DAMN LANGUAGE

>>84308757
Love is a male fantasy. Your fault for believing in it.

>>84309051
I'm wary of my government more than foreigners lol

>>84309104
That too. I don't see foreigners murdering and eating children on Epstein's island.

>>84309114
What are you talking about, half of the list is foreigners and half of the nations in the world have high status figures implicated in the list.
It's called a global cannibal cabal for a reason. GLOBAL

>>84309114
are jews not foreigners to you

>>84309101
>Love is a male fantasy. Your fault for believing in it.
Your mom might love you unconditionally, thats about all you've got.

>>84308757
I know this is pointless because you all just wanna circklejerk about women bad, but the flaw here is in the whole mindset. A truly successful relationship is about two people supporting eachother, defining together what success is and reaching it together. It's not about a man being successful (in an implied arbitrary external definition of success, likely career-related) and a woman "waiting" for him, as if he somehow needs this success to finally win the "prize" that is the relationship. She's not a trophy waiting on a shelf to be awarded to you as soon as you've cleared your goal of arbitrary social expectations.
Now the woman commenting is quite bitchy too, but honestly what kind of audience is this post gonna resonate with? The kind of woman who thinks that a man has to be "worthy" in order to deserve a relationship is gonna be materialistic. She's going to want the man who's already earned his right to the "prize", not the one who still needs her to wait. In a sense the original poster is choosing a paradigm in which he is a loser by definition (as he is not yet "worthy")... Is it really surprising that other people conforming to that paradigm consider him a loser? You guys are building your own prison.

>>84308757
Low quality men are seething because women chose to date high value men.

>>84309163
If a woman is successful then why does she need a man?

>>84309185
If a man is successful why does he need a woman? You're talking in circles. What is success? What do you want from life?

>>84309205
>If a man is successful why does he need a woman?
Ask them, they seem to need them for some reason while women don't really need them that much.

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People say women are more liberal but they are the ones pushing for hyper capitalism and hypergamy

>>84308766
>They always expect something in return.
Isn't that the vast majority of humans in general otherwise you wouldn't even notice the behavior?

>>84308757
Women are demons who don't know what real love is.

>>84309185
>>84309205
Humans want connections and networks. Both want them to different degrees however.

>>84309221
The internet says what it needs to say to keep you alone and stupid

>>84309244
humans don't know what real love is and would be terrified to experience it because it would mean everything was no longer about them and what they have or don't have but about someone that isn't them. This thread is built on people that want things and attack what's out of reach, because at the core it's about the self and nothing else.

>>84309260
You don't even understand what real love is. I have 2 wonderful children so I understand and feel what unconventional love is like.

>>84308757
>Fucking bleak.
Indeed. I do not believe that true love is even possible from a foid, as they have thousands of 'better options'. No concept of loyalty, even. God forbid that you ever show physical or mental weakness in front of them. I just want to have sex, without having to pay escorts, and I cannot even get that.

>>84309215
>Men are one person
>Women are one person
>I idealize each gender as all having a given arbitrary opinion, then wonder why they all have that arbitrary opinion
Grow up anon, the world is complex

>>84309274
NTA but loving your children is the most conventional.

>>84308757
How do foids rationalize them being leeches who want a man to pay for everything while at the same time doing no cooking or cleaning or any other chores? Does that not make all foids losers?

>>84309254
>Both want them to different degrees however.
Both humans?

>>84309646
Women can't be losers, they aren't playing the game they are the prize.

>>84309827
They are though and this is why there will be unhappiness until both sides realize what "games" are being played and what the prizes are.
When the game is for sex, women choose. When the game is for marriage, men choose. This is irrefutable.

>>84309842
Wishful thinking bro but marriages haven't declined because of mens rights and most divorces are initiated by women for no fault

there's no such thing as a "loser" in life

>>84309843
>women divorce
That's exactly my point, they couldn't choose their man and always felt they were "settling" for the man who would choose them.
Because it is mens choice, and the only ones choosing them were simps or viewed as "lesser" by the women.

>>84309854
There are winners, and there are losers. All else is rationalization.

>>84309843
>>84309855
Here's the best way to think of it.
>Lots of taxi drivers
>Women are passengers
>Few houses
>Women are guests
Men when they are taxi drivers will pick up any women, they have to compete and line up outside clubs to get customers.
Men when they are homes will not invite just any guest in.

>>84309867
yea buddy people sure make it up in there own mind

all that matters is that I know I'm right

>>84309872
Obvious cope sadly, people betabuxx all the time for low quality women I see it every single day.
>>84309887
Lies soothe the mind, don't they? Willful unconsciousness doesn't work in the end. You see it, I see it, we all see it and it matters. Why pretend to be dumb and ignore something so blatantly obvious and important?

>>84309908
>people betabuxx all the time for low quality women I see it every single day.
And the women are unhappy and likely to divorce because they didn't choose, they settled for the man willing to choose them.
How can you not understand this when you already provided the basis for it?

I'll try one more example
>be man, a taxi
>prefer bimbo pussy
>willing to take whale pussy

>be woman, houseguest
>prefer mansion
>willing to take betashack

>>84309908
lmao what the fuck are you even on about retard

the material world doesn't matter

keep coping about being an imaginary loser faggot

>>84308757
there is no such thing as unconditional love except from your mom and dad
grow up nigger

>>84309854
There is. They are called foids.

>>84309960
>the material world doesn't matter
absolutely supreme cope lol
this is a material world moron

>>84309928
lol this has to be bait
yeah they get free housing and still fuck chad on the side and alimonybuxx they sure lost wooo

>>84309052
It creates single mothers which produce weak men

>>84308773
the less attractive women are often worse. you give a 4 a chance and her ego leads her to think she's an 8

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>>84308836
and they'd rather fuck the monster.
Beauty and The Beast is a monsterfucker fantasy for most women

>>84308886
i know this is bait but if you are really a foid then you belong to the streets

>>84310198
>eah they get free housing and still fuck chad on the side and alimonybuxx they sure lost wooo
you're completely misinterpreting my whole point, intentionally or not you're retarded
i never claimed it was an even playing field but my logic stands
women gatekeep sex
men gatekeep homes

>>84310326
Nigga it aint the 50s anymore most single women have access to stable housing and they can always bet on an oofy doofy in the worst case I genuinely do not understand your point except suspecting it to be some form of roastie wall cope

>>84308772
Oh, and you'd better not expect her to do any of that in return! If you do then you're treating her as a "personal slave" or a "second mother" or whatever.

>>84308757
Love her at her lowest and she'll leave you at your lowest

>>84308874
>they should be with men they don't find attractive
>women claim 80% of men are unattractive
You understand that this is a problem yes?

>>84310930
A problem for who exactly? It's not a problem for women.

>>84308874
I'm not saying women should be with men they find unattractive. I'm saying the should stop being so damn shallow and not automatically reject potential partners based on looks and height. I would never reject a woman based on looks alone.

>>84310972
Women like being with people they are physically attracted to. You can't change the chemistry, it's just a reality of life.

>>84310940
>It's not a problem for women.
>my actions will never have consequences
kek, yep thats women for ya

>>84311084
>marry me or suffer the consequences!!!
I wonder why women don't find this alluring

>>84311093
>women speedrun the collapse of society while blaming the men they refuse to acknowledge as human
lol, lmao even. I'm sure you'll love the society that replaces the west.

>>84311093
>hole/simp
Nobody cares about your thoughts Mr. Redditor

>>84309243
You should reread your question, we often notice things when they're different to what we expect rather than the same, I'll wait for you to figure this out on your own.

that picture is so fucking funny

>>84308757
sure the man is a loser but so is the woman. thats what women dont get. they are bigger losers than the lowliest men

>>84311121
>society won't last much longer unless I can get laid

>>84311240
>still refusing to acknowledge women have created the problem and offer no solutions
I accept your concession

>>84311326
What's this problem we're talking about?

>>84310940
the worship of individualism and autonomy at the expense of the collapse of society inwards onto itself into a fragmented, isolated morass of absurdity will be studied for generations

>>84311357
Who among the 70 iq brown masses will be left to study it?

>>84308757
Women figured this out the hard way and evolved out of unconditional love or possibly never had it. Men have the luxury of being able to feel love like that because we dont have to carry a child for 9 months then raise it. In the modern world though mens tendency to oneitis or simp is detrimental to him. Men would be wise to never love a woman unconditionally. Always expect stuff from her like she does from you.

>>84308757
It's not unconditional love in the post. The woman has to be slim, attractive, not bitchy, endlessly please him etc. Only he is allowed to be a loser. Hence why it's a loser fantasy where the unaccomplished guy gets the woman of his dreams (and not the woman he actually deserves).

>>84311375
lmao you're almost a parody of yourself at this point; keep proving me right with every post
yeah as if the best people would be someone from this godforsaken website
oh and if might makes right and only the strongest survive then by your kind's own logic it's those who are best equipped anyways

>>84311479
none of this is true lol most women prefer a 'bitchy' woman to some extent and lots more lust after bigger women than you'd expect
but why is 'not being successful' according to the superficial standards of capitalist dystopia the same as being a 'loser'?
make your own rules!
that makes life romantic and exciting

>>84311444
That seems like such a weird thing to say, because guys in the modern day get hooked for 18 years of child support. 12 months multiplied by 18 years is 216 months. Which would be 24 times as many months as the 9 month pregnancy

>>84311513
because we live in reality where you need money to get a car, house, raise kids, and retire

>>84311494
>the people who refuse to have children will outnumber those who don't because they just will chud
Still not an argument

>>84308772
muh unpaid care work.

>>84308810

You go girl, Billiionair Chad thunder,yet deosnt work all the time, BUT still doesnt strangel you with being around all the time will totally answer all your texts withing 15 sec and let you go out every day for girls night is waiting just for you.
(Has a low bodycount and all his exes are dead 7ft and 12inches)
Of course he is child free, not that you could give him anything except an empty egg carton.

>>84308847
Non western as in est European?
Hope there is not too much race mixing going on.

>>84308883
She will and then bitch at you for wanting a humanoid robot that mimics consciousness.

>>84311479
Where in the post does it say that?

>>84308757
that is some loser fantasy, i dont know why my brothers always want to look like martyrs, like "im struggling babe... dont worry babe im your bear wife and i got your back babe.. yeah babe thank you", its cringe as fuck, just fake being succesful and fuck stanky pussy, not a big deal

>>84308766
You're half right. The truth is that unconditional love doesn't exist at all. Nobody has ever loved anybody without expecting something in return. Even expecting the other person to love you back makes it conditional. Spouses love each other with the expectation that they'll commit to each other. Parents love their children with the expectation that they'll respect them and honor their authority.

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Most women have nothing to offer except themselves. They think they're the prize.