How could so many people be so wrong?
Theyre not, too few people are right. Terminally online faggots are wrong, "face>height>pheno" should be 90%
Height over face in importance is laughable. "Face" btw includes hair.I'm 6'1 fat & balding and I get 0 attention from women. Manlets cope unbelievably hard about this.
>>84317696Pheno??? I'm not sure what that is, but I bet it's either too broad or too narrow of a characteristic. It goes:>Face > Hair > HeightAsk me questions if you don't understand.
>>84317730I think it's a politically correct way of saying race, they call it phenotype to trick you into thinking they're not just talking about race.
>>84317727>manlet copeYou can be an absolute bald fatty faggit but if you're over 6 foot you can date a woman with a height fetish (aka all of them)Just face it. You're a volcel.
>>84317751Date who? Disgusting fat women? Black women? Gross brown women?Those don't even count. Obviously the unstated principle here is only white and east Asian women. And those don't go for men just because they are tall, they need additional qualities.
>>84317740i don't think pheno is race here because the implication is you have to be white to even compete anyway
It's face and it has always been face.
>>84317696I think you can still be a model or a famous actor if you have a handsome face, but you're lacking in the height department. Of course it can't be too severe. Take for example Tom Cruz. The guy is short, but he has a handsome face, so he has been type-cast as a hot guy in many movies.
>>84317696height doesn't matter when you're ugly.
>>84317751giga ultra truth nuke, i bet most of this board looks better than this guy facially but it doesn't matter>>84317757>goalpost movingholy C O P E
>>84317757>Date who? Disgusting fat women? Black women? Gross brown women?Beggars can't be choosers, bro.
>>84317759I don't know where you're getting that from, but phenotype is an even further distinction of race, like how a Nordic man and a Mediterranean man are both technically white but are also distinct phenotypes.
>>84317769she has an ugly bastard fetish and he got as lucky as winning the lottery
>>84317740>>84317757I'm just gonna be objectively honest: if race mattered that much, racemixing wouldn't be so popular. Women are just less racist because the hivemind demands it. For every woman that doesn't date a race, there's 3 brainwashed women jumping on dick to virtue signal. Race is too much of a wildcard
>>84317776>ugly bastardalways tall/large btw
>>84317767Rehabroom covered this, face is exponential, height isnt. Face cashes checks height doesn't. Love, opportunities, etc. If picrel was 5'6 hes going to live a very, happy, fulfilling life full of love and meaning.
>>84317774oh ok, well i don't think fucking wheat waffles is excepting brown dudes to pull
>>84317769>i bet most of this board looks better than this guy facially but it doesn't matterThe amount of absolute fucking chuddy, chopped motherfuckers I seen with girls holding their arm because he was some freakishly tall height like 6'5 or above is enough for me to believe all "tallcels" are just volcels who never approach women or use dating apps. Bitches will literally date you because you're tall. it makes their monkey brain signal "protector" and "dangerous" and that turns them on. Also all girls think tall men have big cocks.You cannot lose as a tallfag
>>84317789its just a stupid sentiment us ugly tall guys hold to cope with our shitty lives.
Face ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS trumps everything else, unless you are obese.Doesn't matter which age, gender or sexuality
>>84317796no it doesnt. the whole 6'0+ thing is a lie. many a chadlet with a taller gf. their brains are wired for faces, the data is out there go read it.
>>84317779>racemixing wouldn't be so popular.it's not popular at all, especially with white women are you about to dump your racebait folder, jeetanon?
>>84317796Being tall is like having big tits. For some that's enough for them. But sometimes, a person is too ugly for their tallness or fat tits to matter. Some people are excited to get with tall/big tits because they don't really want anything else. Others settle for tall/big tits despite it being the only positive.Also you're forgetting one important detail that you must never forget:>Women do not have opinions, they have hivemindsA woman who likes X can easily be convinced to hate X and love Y with enough incentive.
>>84317819Women go with whatever is popular opinion and the popular opinion pushed by jews is that racemixing is righteous. This is just objectively true, try to prove it wrong.
>>84317824>A woman who likes X can easily be convinced to hate X and love Y with enough incentive.not really that true, there's some truth to it obviously but pretending like women don't have biological imperatives is retarded
>>84317824A beautiful face is like a trillion times rarer then some random ltn that's tall. Of course she's picking the hot short guy. The sexy son hypothesis exists for a reason. Women will always choose reproductive success over some retarted "dominance." It's 2026, we have guns. Plus voices matter A LOT. Imagine some tall guy that's a voicecel kek. It's a retarted joke.
>>84317834>biological imperativesHa. You don't get it. Women have never had biological imperatives. They had coping mechanisms with being raped, conquered, and earned. This is why women have submissive fetish and can tend to be okay with weirdos. Women don't choose their men, men choose women and help women convince themselves they made the right "choice". Biological imperative... women overall don't even know how to flirt anymore.
i regularly see women openly lusting after "medium ugly" (translation: ugly but tall) men online. i never see that with manlets
>>84317844>Imagine some tall guy that's a voicecel kek. It's a retarted joke.Kek and alot of tallfags are like that. It's because all of the testosterone and growth hormones went to their legs.
>>84317696I would rather be prime Leandro DiCaprio and 5'4 instead of whatever hideous monster I am currently I just want to be loved by a foid mang I could be a cool streamer or YouTuber or actor or something
You can always get leg lengthening surgery and wear lifts if you have a hot face as a man. You can rarely go from ugly incel freak to anything past mid with surgery.
>>84317844I would honestly trade a few inches for a deeper voice. i despise sounding whiny and cringe when i heard videos of myself
Okay people who care about height one way or the other - how do you explain short kings like Kendrick, Lil Wayne, Leonardo Di Capro, K Pop, etc.>it's because they're celebsBut how did they become celebs while being so short? Why were they chosen over tall celebs? Why do they never get mocked for their height?I think the answer is a combination of Face and Masculinity (whether it's behavior or a persona). I think that explains everything and height onsecurity is just a psyop for incels looking for excuses.
>>84317856remember women are incapable of perceiving any man who is average or below, they are literally completely invisible to them. a "medium ugly" guy or someone who they would consider a 4/10 or so would probably be closer to a 7/10 for everyone else
>>84317696as a femcel, for me it's phenotype > height > face. i only want guys with a specific phenotype. i only want guys who are at least 20 cm taller than me. face, i don't care as much about as long as he doesn't have a super recessed chin or high asymmetry but it is definitely preferable if he has a handsome one.
>>84317910>i only want guys who are at least 20 cm taller than mehow tall are you?>>84317910>i only want guys with a specific phenotypewhat does this even mean? I think most of you don't even understand what phenotype means lol
what do you think would give a woman a bigger ick, you being ugly or you being the same height as her 13 year old little brother?
>>84317910>i want guys with a specific phenotype>(that being tall obviously)holy shit why cant you just fucking say that
>>84317889i always think to myself are these people telling me she wouldn't pick a 5'7 cillian murphy? because thats so fuckin bullshit lets both be so real
>>84317926Yes, the vast majority of women will pick 5'7 Cillian Murphy over the much taller, bloated, and ugly Brendan Fraser. t. 6'2 in shoes
>>84317910>phenotypeWithout google, define that word for me please
>>84317939same height. i wish this height shit was true. upon a star even. but no, here i am on /r9k/ on my lunch break in my late 20s. KHHV, nuerotypical.
>>84317910>femcel admits she wants an 3/10 tall guy because thats the best she can get with her SMV as a 1Thanks foid you really helped me feel better.
>>84317696Everyone ITT is wrong. Everyone in this poll is wrong. There's only ONE singular metric that GURANTEES universal attraction and that is money. Every thing else is cope. There are handsome short incels. There are tall ugly incels (such as myself). There are white big dicked incels. There are ripped short ugly incels. there are funny charming incels. But there are no rich incels. A rich incel is about as true as a femcel. they don't exist. You have achieved peak attraction. Yes ladies, simply existing means you have better odds of being attractive as a rich man. you are not an incel because chad doesnt want to fuck you. you are not an incel if you dont find most men attractive. you are not an incel, you are an aging spinster
>>84318052>there are no rich incelsI'm pretty sure pro athletes get cheated on by the bvll, bro
>>84318052there are no handsome incels not one
>>84317918i'm 160>>84317925height does not equal phenotype>>84317959it's physical features related to your race>>84317985i would be happy with that
>>84317696>How could so many people be so wrong?A lot of heightists deny their prejudice, while completely basing their choices on an anti-manlet stance. Cognitive dissonance.
>>84318052I have close to a million in my 401k. Where is my loving wife?
>>84318107I should mention I am 6'3 itt. The supposedly ideal make height, it has done fuck all for my nasty mug.
>>84317696face >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else is correct
>>84318107>close to a milliondoesnt count. not a millionaire, not rich, and have you tried flaunting your wealth with a nice car and suit? or do you expect women to know what's in your savings the same way they expect us to read their mindsand who said anything about a wife? i'm talking sex. you know, that thing you're celibate if you dont have regularly
>>84317696I think I would do things that would haunt me to someone for a good face. For example, a demon comes up to me and says "You must do this horrible, disgusting, haunting, revolting thing once, and you will get your own model tier face." I would.
>>84318131Money doesnt buy genuine attraction. No love chemicals go off in her brain for numbers on a screen like a face does and will. When youre rich youre just reduced to an opportunity.
>>84317696Niggas are retarded, that's why. Pic-related is all you need to prove: height > face > pheno. Women literally fantasize about fucking beasts and monsters solely because they're tall.
The true answer is just be white.
>>84318103>i'm 160kekI'm 185, but you're quite delusional if you think you're allowed to have these standards a an /r9k/ femcel you're bottom of the barrel - get real
>>84317696My nigga, 99% of social interactions are face to face. Of course it's the god damn face that matters more. This feels dumb.
>>84318052Nah, if you're talking big picture it's like this:>Personality/Social SkillsWhat gets you bitches and puts yourself out there>Looks (Face, Hair, Height, Fashion, Muscle)What attracts bitches of low caliber and unlocks women of high caliber>FameWhat multiplies the amount of women you can get.>MoneyWhat guarantees the minimum amount you will get. Money attracts full-on gold-diggers and women looking for easy living. Those type of women do not guarantee Love or Loyalty or even Beauty, but they guarantee sex and availability. When you have all of these things you get people like Hugh Hefner.
>>84318176Lol, my GF's sister calls me Lord Farquaad. And that become Big Brother when she started to respect me. I'm 5'5, my gf is 5'7 and my gf's sister is 5'9.
>>84318233A rich 6'4 daughter of a billionaire with a trust fund would rather date and marry a homeless 5'7 man with a one in a million face then an uggo 6'6 guy with a few million. Lets both be honest here. We cant deny evolutionary psychology. Physical attraction> Literally anything else
>>84318247>big brothershe is mocking you to your face, broor rather, looking down on you while mocking you
>>84317696Women will never say a guy is ugly when rejecting, they say hes too short to virtue signal as it seems less shallow and more accepted than pointing looks. So copers end up thinking is all their height when they are also ugly as shit and denying that being actually handsome can offset below average height.
>>84317751>>84317740I assumed pheno meant body type and body composition
>>84318207yeah my super delusional standards like him being the same race as me and tall
>>84317757>Obviously the unstated principle here is only white and east Asian women.Kek. I love this website. (Agree btw)
>>84317832Only seems to have worked on like 8-10% of white women though. Other women are doing it at higher rates without the jewish prodding. Asian women's rates are insane.
>>84318261She literally goes out of her way to say hello when I'm on the phone with my GF and started calling me brother. It got to the point I became embarrassed I wasn't showing my appreciation and started treating her like a sister in law. She's a brat like her sister, but they're nice people.
>>84318259I agree and it sounds like you agree with my post too.
>>84318261He is regularly having sex with her sister and if one is attracted to him the other is aswell. Its a shit test. I wish I was getting shit tested by my gfs sister.
>>84317801>its just a stupid sentiment us ugly tall guys hold to cope with our shitty livesThe older I get the more I realize guys coming online to definitively state what women like are either preparing their own ego or justifying their own failure. Every ogre or man let with a big dick insists that it is life changing for every woman they fuck. Every successful tall guy says it's all that women care about. Every failed tall guy insists that it's actually personality or face. None of these are objectively true. Each human is an extremely complex collection of traits being evaluated through an extremely complex primordial process that is imperfectly matched to modern life. Way too complicated to define easily and objectively attractive people can be unattractive to you due to genetic programming you have
>>84318295Based 130+ IQ take. If there's camp A vs camp B non-stop shitflinging since forever, with 0 definitive conclusion, it's obviously more complex.
>>84318295>Way to complicated to define objectively.Suuuurreeeee. Talk to picrel.
>>84318295>attractive people>can be unattractive what
>>84318270yes, quite literally most men are not tall, so you're asking for an above average trait while being decidedly below averagehow do you not find that strange?
>>84318306Plenty of insecure women repress too much to the point of not being sexually attracted to good-looking men because they can't or don't want to deal with the competition or think they're good enough, so their brains automatically cancel chads as options.
the thing i'd say is most important to me is race, because i'd immediately rule out particular races, whereas a guy being average height or having an average face is acceptable.
>>84318318That's the way supply and demand works, my nigga. She's also the type to complain about manlets when it's her short ass that's most likely handicapping a tall guy's genes in her offspring.
>>84318319That only applies for her approaching. The second chad takes initiative she folds.
>>84318295>attractive people can be uglyR3ddit cope. Attractive people are called attractive for a reason.
>>84318318it's not strange because men and women are attracted to different things
>>84318341My name is actually Chad. Its so weird seeing my name online all the time and it being tied to this idea of a perfect male. I miss when Chad was just some huhuhu yaaa totally raddd duuuuuuuud California surfer guy.
>>84318295>Each human is an extremely complex collection of traits being evaluated through an extremely complex primordial process that is imperfectly matched to modern life.Women are not. And every man who has been or is with a woman will agree.
>>84318359>compilation of women with BPD and NPDWhy do autistics place so much disproportionate importance on the opinions of 2% of the female population?
>>84318419Because they are autistic and people treat autists like shit so instead of blaming their social interaction disorder they blame a physical attribute.
>>84318442Internal monologue of an autist (probably) "Hrmf." *Shoves hands in pocket* *sniffle* "Fucking normies." "I'm glad they don't like me because of insert physical attribute." "I'm too based and esoteric for them anyways."Normies thoughts: "Why the fuck is this guy staring at a wall?"
>>84318460someone nailed it. go into any walmart and youll see some fat broke ugly short retard with a girlfriend because he isnt autistic.
>>84318419>the opinions of 2% of the female population?Because that is who drives the female narrative. Women act entirely on social approval and conditioning. There are women who might be willing to date a short man but do not do so because they know they will be bullied by other women and lose social status.
>>84317696Wht is meant by pheno? Phenotype? Doesn't face cover that?
>>84318398Are you an archetypical Chad doe?
>>84318507Nah because an indian or a russian can both either have deepset eyes or pepe frog eyes.
>>84318516Bro asks this question to a guy on /r9k/
>>84318516As chad puts it. "No."
>>84318460You hit it on the nail dude. My exact dialog is like this except I'm looking down at my phone instead of at a wall. Fml
>>84318578I will add, I've had a few identity crisis over the meme. I died my beard blonde once.
>>84317844>Plus voices matter A LOT. Imagine some tall guy that's a voicecel kek.This a voicefag cope btw. An odd voice on a handsome man is not a loss it makes him seem attainable. Like a beautiful hot woman with a lisp
>>84318578Is that how you look? Grow your hair out then, you seem to have a good hairline if you like that drawing.
>>84318530Every now and then normalfags and chads come here.>>84318523Those are facial features bro.
>>84318295>we shouldnt try to find which single trait will result in the most success in fucking women, because one woman somewhere will disagree with every traitthis your argument bro? we're trying to find what's most likely to be the best thing to focus on. everyone knows having the full package is better, but for some men there's some things you cant stack. getting rich and in shape are things you can control, height, face, and dick size arent. personalit maybe, if you take like acting classes but women will smell the alpha male bs you're trying to pull. a real chad doesnt need to act like one
Pheno over height too, whatever that is.
>>84317789Most intelligent rehab dickrider
>>84317696it's obviously phenotype first (even ignoring that phenotype includes the other things)
>>84319431https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2451958824002124
>>84319509Face trumps height 12x.
>>84319509imagine a face filter they wouldnt do that because sub5 normies wouldnt pay for a bot to swipe anymore kek
>>84319509>the ult of the most intelligent rehab dickrider
>>84319524Probably a heightcel
>>84319543Well yeah there isnt an insane outrage about height filters because its whatever and most foids don't even use it but if there was a face filter for online dating (how most people meet) there would be literal protests and suicides
>>84319556I am exactly six foot, on the mark kek.
>>84319571Same. 6 foot is manlet status I guess. Bitches want slenderman for a bf
>>84319571Same Im 185cm, which is above average in my country by a lot
>>84319581In the us there is height inflation so yeah you can either geomaxx or stay a manlet
>>84319581>>84319582The best part about being 6'0 is when you know when people are lying about their heights, youre not too tall and not too short, atleast where I am. With that said, would rather be 6'4 with my current rating (5) or 5'6 and an 8-10? Latter any day. Youd be a dumbass not to chose that. So many windows open up with beauty. Fuck this unfair world and fuck my parents for reproducing because they felt baby fever and wanted selfish social points. "OMG a baby boy!1!1 Guys look at our baby!!!!" I didnt ask for this life and I dont deserve it. Im sad.
>>84319588Nah I'm not gonna be a bitch about it. I see guys shorter than me with cute girls all the time where I live (US). I just gotta bee myself >>84319607True. I would rather be a manlet but chad features. Being 6 foot and chopped doesn't do shit for me bro.
>>84319623This shit sucks. I just try and be kind and honest, might aswell right? I'm dying anyways. In the age of the internet women are exposed to chad faces more then ever in our history compared to before which was a few times a year girl they drool and get all wet and tingly because its rarer irl then some random mid tall guy
>>84319623I would never give up my height, fucking could stomp you to death without even knowing
>>84319675Okay tough guy miss out on a few multimillion dollar movie contracts and a spot in remembered history kek ill take the genie up on his offer
>>84319675I'm pretty sure my ass would get whooped at any height. I'm skinnyfat. No muscle. But no, I NEEDS GEE EFF
money>face>heightwith money you can do ANYTHING, as long as you are a millionaire.
>>84317696Face height pheno is correct. Only people saying height is more important use ridiculous contrasts like a 6ft2in 5 compared to a 5ft9in 7.Both face and height are important, so if you dont have both then you just lose.Im a 6ft6 failed normie and never get attention from foids. Once they see my face they stop caring.
>>84319725this simply isnt true, a good face is all that is required for love.
>>84319725I mean with that height you can make up for ugliness by personality, a tall confident dude is like sub 8 at least
>>84319746No a good face while manlet makes you look feminine. Being tall just solidifies your masculine appearance.
>>84319752No, all being 6'4 an ugly has done for me has made my ugliness more apparent by making me stand out more. A chadlet is hidden treasure for foids. Ugly manlets have it all wrong because the reality of face is more depressing.
Instead of promoting this gay bonesmashing shit and catering to dysgenic narcissistic foids' endless demands, autistic incels should instead be directly trying to get through to chads so they will stop breeding womanlets and sub-8 women.
>>84319767Height alone doesn't define masculinity. Frame, voice, character, brow ridge, orbital area, muscle size all play a role aswell. A skinny lanket with a narrow frame and high pitched voice that's timid isn't dominating anyone.
>>84319791I mean the taller the better dude, if you are tall you are statistically way more prone to develop an overall bigger body (frame, head, feet, hands, etc.)
>>84319791It's insane what being a skinnyfat 6'1 obvious alcoholic vs someone who eats clean and puts in even minimal effort into working out does for the way people treat you, even if your face is 4/10 - 5/10
>>84319834There is no link between genetic height limits and testosterone levels. Do not equate height to adequate testosterone levels for the masculinization of developmental traits during puberty because that is wrong information and you sound dumb.
>>84319834kek say this to something with klinefelters
>>84319852Yeah I was fat tall motherfucker and people just treated me like an extroverted big jolly ol fellow and I was forced to conform or I was treated like shit. Once I became skinny I was allowed to be naturally quiet.
>>84319746Your pic has too much facial fat for women in 2026. It's hollow cheeks or nothing
>>84317696The height psyop is for the plummeting birthrates. Not enough 7+'s to go around. Foids dont give a fuck about the average tall mug. They want hot faces. They have always wanted hot faces. Its engraved in their evolutionary psychology. The face is they key to the soul, the mind, what a human is thinking, feeling and looking at. The face is what makes us human.
The first thing a woman sees is a face. Unless you're right up next to her, height is going to be not nearly as relevant. She's a girl so she'll be shorter therefore already be looking upwards slightly, which makes the 1 foot range most men fall under (6'4-5'4) only really significant on the lower ends, and even then it isn't much.
DIMORPHISM is LAW. Men are supposed to be RUGGED, UGLY, and LARGE. If you are a MANLET, you are not DIMORPHIC. You have the silhouette of a BOY, not a MAN. FACE plays no role here.
>>84317696This cope again. You are all just coping saying height is so important because it makes you feel better since you can't change it. But you are lucky because you can at least blame that and absolve yourself of any other faults.I am 6'2'' and I never got any romantic or sexual attention from women in these 22 years. And I talk to many girls in uni, I go out on ocassion, I even download Tinder. All 0. And I am not bald/deformed/ugly/mentall ill. I guess I just don't have the vibe women like. It's all about the vibe at the end of the day.
>>84317696Think of it this way: in a mixed gender, civilized setting, face is a better indicator of social status than heightHeight can definitely sometimes be better indicator, but less frequently
