Watch Myron Gaines btfo this troonhttps://youtu.be/tD1A1OFC7I0
>>84365135>YOU'RE A MAN SAAR
You're Indian *drops mic*
>Watch my scripted clickbait videoNo.Hormone replacement changes gene expression, making cells/tissue act more like if they had XX or XY dependent on hormone being addedhttps://www.the-scientist.com/hormone-therapy-triggers-male-gene-patterns-in-transgender-mens-cells-71014https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220228/Study-shows-the-impact-of-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-on-epigenetic-signature-of-genes.aspxViable eggs from male people, viable sperm from female people:https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/27/1177191913/sperm-or-egg-in-lab-breakthrough-in-reproduction-designer-babies-ivghttps://theconversation.com/eggs-from-men-sperm-from-women-how-stem-cell-science-may-change-how-we-reproduce-219005Most women have Y chromosomes in some cells:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32065627/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16084184/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3458919/MTFs giving birth:https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/08/23/uterus-transplants-are-already-a-reality-what-does-it-mean-for-transgender-women-getting-pWhole organs now being grown en masse in genetically modified pigs, transplanted to humans:https://apnews.com/article/pig-organ-transplant-xenotransplant-revivicor-ad400e7f1d30c2722456eb92e641449fLab grown penises transplanted:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-025-01367-y
>>84365135>*ahem*_ You're brown.
>look at the nose on the troon
>>84365135>women live life on easy modeWomen live life on POWER MODE.Being a man is stupid as fuck.
>>84365399cope. if you look like a woman you're treated like a woman. nobody gives a shit about muh chromosomes. if you dont pass dont claim you're a woman.
>>84365135Why are they still doing this already forgot about poor charlie?
>>84365399>a bunch of bullshit articles and misrepresented studiescool, you'll still never be a woman
>>84365725Why not cuz of the penis?
>>84365728K I'm too impatient to wait for a reply so I'll just do it myself >yes having a penis makes you manThen it logically follows that all you have to do to stop being a man is to cut your penis offThere you go transphobia debooked
>>84365765>b-but wait no i changed my mind now it's the chromosomes that make you a manNo because chromosomes aren't something you look at when you determine someone's gender. Like when you assume someone is a woman on the street it's not the chromosomes that made you assume that
>>84365774>but wait no i can see what people's chromosomes are based on what they look likeNo you can't if I gave you pictures of people and said guess the chromosomes you wouldn't always get it right
>>84365808>but people whose appearance doesn't match their chromosomes are rare Just because a group is small doesn't mean that they shouldn't be considered for defining a concept
>>84365825>but i don't make definitions with exceptions i define things by the majority for example most people have 5 fingers on one hand that means i can define a hand as having 5 fingers and people with more or less fingers are rare so i don't account for them in my definition. With this in mind i don't have to account for people whose chromosomes don't match their gender when i try to define gender as a wholeDoes that mean that a hand with less than 5 fingers is not a hand? No it's still objectively a hand even if it doesn't fit your 5 finger definition. You can define a woman as having XX chromosomes but this does defy the reality that women without XX chromosomes exist
>>84365871*doesn't defy the reality RIP I made a typo guess means I was wrong after all
Anyway does anyone have a real transphobic argument I haven't heard before
>>84365890As it turns out no one does Where did all the based tranny haters go to?
>>84365890Saying I'm a gender atheist usually makes you guys pretty mad
>>84367124Why would that make me mad? It means you okay with non binary people right?
>>84365135When she moved her hair back, which was sexy asf, she looked cute. Im not gonna lie
>>84367136>responds trolling me Yep it makes you mad.
>>84367154Yeah you can't say you don't support non binaryism because that wouldn't align with not believing in gender
>>84365135Brutal humiliation. I know it's hard thinking of a response on the spot but you're already on the backfoot why mention that you're a transgender? There's no winning that situation.
>>84365672>>84365725>Nooo, I don't want objective data, I want YouTube slop!Typical brain-damaged rightoid slop.
>>84367175She went in knowing this was going to be the reaction kinda just goes to show she didn't care thousands of people could call her a man and she's still going to live her life knowing she's not actually a man
>>84367161What are you even talking about? There is male and female. Saying you are non-binary admits that you believe in gender and thinks that you can identify as one or the other.
>>84367201If you're gender atheist then a person saying they have no gender should be completely fine with you
>>84367209Gender atheist means that I don't believe you can opt out of your sex. The same as that you can't choose it. Thinking you can opt out is believing in gender.
>>84367192He is a man. He even sounds like a man.He is a hideous male freak and needs to be MAIDed Canadian style desu
>>84365135Why should i watch some poopy skin and give him ad revenue?
>>84367222So you're saying every person has to be either a man or woman? What about intersex people? Ohhh I can already see it coming >NOOOO NOOO YOU CAN'T USE A MINORITY TO DEFINE GENDERYes I can refer to >>84365871>>84367225Ahhh so if you sound like a man you are a man so if a biological woman has a deep voice she is a man okay
>>84367178Thank you god for not making me trans
>>84367178>xitter screenshotyou need to go back
>>84365399>man-made horrors beyond our comprehension>promotes this as a positive view of troonsI am truely disturbed by the depths of depravity science without thought can lead people
>>84367192I guess that's one way of thinking of it,, it would be a bit more based if she actually beat him TFO though, as it is he just looks cool to his audience for le dunking on a trannerino
>>84367244Genetic abnormalities do not apply to what we are talking about, which is genetically normal people choosing to reject their sex. Yes, you are either male or female.
>>84367284Yeah I think it's unfortunate too, unfortunately you can't expect an average person to just be able to handle a public debate like this. I do think she's brave for this though >>84367293>Genetic abnormalities do not apply to what we are talking about,Yes it does a hand with 4 fingers can be a genetic abnormality but that doesn't mean it's not a hand
>>84367316you come across as very low iqdo yourself and everyone else a favour and dont post
>>84367330If you're so much higher IQ than me it should be very easy for you to explain how I'm wrong. Apparently you can't do that though
>>84365135but later he sucks her penis dry
troons belong in the gulag
>>84367178>You will parrot state-approved opinions and cite goyipedia or you're le unintellectualWestern academia, folks.
>>84367178I'm a tranny. Normal people dont care about those researches, its all about how you look like. If you pass, you're a woman in eyes of society. That's it. >>84365672 anon
>watch [sandnigger]don't think I will
No more gender atheism :'( what am I gonna do with all those gender atheist tears
>>84367692I plainly stated my case then some other guy started arguing with you. Just stopped responding because he was doing a good job. When you want to grow up and argue in good faith you are free to make another thread in the future.
>>84367700I stated my case and then you stop replying because you have no rebuttal. Thanks for admitting it I guess
>>84365135>Watch Myron GainesNo thanks. I'm not a faggot
Lol the troon's nose is hilarious
>>84367720>troon's nose is hilariousPost your face nd perfect nose
>>84367700Like is there anything I didn't address? I don't think so. Not sure why you think I'm bad faith either you could state what exactly your problem here is too. Not sure why you'd need a new thread either
>>84365399Sorry bro, Bill Nye debunked you
>>84367760Nta but I already made a post about the chromosomes >>84365774
>>84365294Kek dare to say indians over troons tranny, you aint better than them but the exact same if not worse.
>>84367771But every single cell in your body is XX or XY.
>>84365672>>84367630if you pass you pass but if someone finds out youre a man and it spreads around then people will treat you like a tranny. also 90% of you dont pass your just delude yourselves into thinking you do then when you get accurately gendered you lose the plot because your delusion is broken. you all have a mental and hormonal disorder btw. probably due to all the fucked up chemicals we come into contact with. yuore not in the wrong body, youre just internally disabled
>>84367853>But every single cell in your body is XX or XY.Whats it matter?
>>84367866>you all have a mental and hormonal disorder btwAnd you don't ? Lmao
>>84367823>saaar focus on the tranny saaaaar
>>84367853So you want to determine people's gender based on their chromosomes. In order to do that you have to be able to determine what someone's chromosomes are. The problem is that you can't determine other people's chromosomes by looking at them. So they're not actually the thing that makes you view someone as a certain gender
>>84367868Because it makes transgenderism impossible.You can't become a male when every cell in your body is female.You can't become female when every cell in your body is male.What would be much more reasonable is transracialism. Skin color is only skin deep. You can change the amount of melanin in your skin. You cannot turn XX into XY, or XY into XX. But for some reason our society took the exact opposite stance, that you can change your gender but you cannot change your race
>>84365135how do freaks like this have the balls to step out of their house? look at the fucking state of him. whenever i see these troons out and about they always look super nervous and shifty. they know everyone is looking at them and sees them as freaks. why live like this?
>>84367897The thing is you don't need XX or XY to be a man or woman
>>84367909Smarterst leftist
>>84367909Gender is determined by your chromosomes>>84367760If you are XX, every cell in your body is female. If you are XY, every cell in your body is male.
>>84367927No it's not see >>84367878>>84367921Thank u
>>84367617Could you explain why you're acting like a rebel against state ideology when the nuclear-armed Trump and Putin governments agree with your dogshit Republican prejudice?
>>84367760Typically low IQ Republican dogshit. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-nye-gender-chromosomes/
>>84367274I put plenty of thought into my decision to become female. It's sad that dogshit Republicans don't put any thought into their extremist witch hunt against anyone with slightly alternative gender ideas, though.
>>84367990Nta but you're right indeed, its not mainly state, it is hedgefund-corporates who controls conventional and social media approved opinions.
>>84367990Academia, the media, corporate america all have the same bias. They are pro BLM, pro trans, pro ukraine, pro palestine.Trump was banned from every big tech platform.
>>84367927Aw you quiet now huh :(
>>84367995https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd2wXfDS3MI read through your article. It turns out that Bill Nye didn't say it, but that episode of Bill Nye the science guy said it, in the Consider the Following segment hosted by not Bill Nye
>>84368039You can't respond to the post I made about chromosomes because you know I'm correct awwwwww
>>84367878Well there's a simpler test, you can check if someone has a cock and balls, or a vagina. But for the sake of politeness, doing a blood test would accomplish the same thing without the chance for sexual assault allegations.Let me use a metaphor. Robots run on electricity. Human beings are powered by blood being pumped via their heart into the rest of their body. If you had a lifelike android, one easy way to check if it was a human or a robot is to check if it has blood, or if it has an electrical power source. Blood=Human Being Electricity=Android.Now if we take that metaphor one step further, if you take someone's blood XY=Male, XX=Female
>>84368033You're still not responding to what I said either.>>84367897Why is transgenderism legitimate when every single in your body is male or female, but transracialism not legitimate, when race is only "Skin deep"?
>>84367927This is now the second poster ITT who doesn't know how to reply to me. Well at least they tried, very adorable
>>84367927Hilarious seeing so many faggots seethe to basic biology oh man
>>84368065In practice you don't draw blood or inspect genitals to know what someone's gender is>>84368070>You're still not responding to what I said either.I tried your reading comprehension must be poor if you can't understand what I'm trying to talk about
>>84368008Social media like X controlled by billionaire Elon Musk who got Trump elected because of his vendetta against his transgender daughter?Dude, you're awful at arguments. Not surprising since you're dogshit.
>>84368025Are you actually brain damaged? Here's a list of billionaires and corporations funding Trump's ballroom. Not sure why you thought anyone was going to believe your biased Fox News screenshot.
>>84368079Do you actually take pride in your biology education only being "basic"?
>>84368091>oh heheh look at this one exception! you're totally wrong nowAmazon Disney Netflix Meta black rock vanguard George soros, goddamn retard
>>84368108Why did you list a bunch of corporations that support Trump? Blackrock's CEO Larry Fink is literally Trump's personal accountant you dumbass. Lmfao
>>84367617who is the state and what is their opinions on this matter?it's like you guys can't see think past your nose
>>84368103Do you take pride on disregarding toddler knoledge?
>>84368086Well maybe I do have poor reading comprehension.My question is "Why can you change your gender, but you cannot change your race? When every single cell in your body is gendered, and all your racial features are cosmetic"Your answer was "The thing is you don't need XX or XY to be a man or woman"It seems like you don't acknowledge trans racialism or race at all. Maybe it's just my poor reading comprehension
>>84368168There's no research to back up that being trans racial is a real phenomenon so I don't care about it
>>84365135This guy is one of the few people more pathetic than the average troon.
>>84367897>You cannot turn XX into XYYes you can, as I explained in this post: >>84365399Hormone replacement changes gene expression, making cells/tissue act more like if they had XX or XY dependent on hormone being addedhttps://www.the-scientist.com/hormone-therapy-triggers-male-gene-patterns-in-transgender-mens-cells-71014https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220228/Study-shows-the-impact-of-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-on-epigenetic-signature-of-genes.aspx
>>84368206So you are a practitioner of Scientism.I bet you are vaccinated and boosted. You might have gotten multiple boosts even
>>84368232The science says you're a chud.
>>84368216>act more like if (they had) XX or XY.>so they still do not have, theirs did not change, still making that anon right.Nta, but look at your own grammar and logic dumbass, its annoying.
>>84367897>Because it makes transgenderism impossibleWhat's this have to do with you tho? What's it matter?
>>84367908>how do freaks like this have the balls to step out of their houseHow do you ugly incels.step out of your mom's basement?
>>84368206Not that anon but being transracial is less retarded than being transgender, it's just that, as you say, there has been little "research" and it hasn't been pushed much. All it would take would be the same effort going into pushing it as there has been for the whole transgender shit and it would become popular too. Which, it probably will at some point. Gotta continue the grift.And the reason I say transracialism is less retarded is, men of different races are more morphologically and psychologically similar than a man and woman of the same race. You can take the whitest Norwegian and the blackest Congolese or Aussie abo, and they both will have more or less the same body structure, reproductive organs, instincts, etc. as compared to a female, which has completely different physiology, psychology and instincts. No one needs to do "research" for this, it's readily apparent if you're sane and think about it for all of 5 seconds.
>>84368216>if you artificially inject the primary hormones created by an XX person into an XY person, the XY person (whose chromosomes remain unchanged) will express closer to an XX personYeah no shit. He's still XY though.
>>84368251Do you understand that I'm arguing it functions as though it's XY once you add the testosterone? Hence the body is functionally male, even if a literally microscopic marker isn't. You're making a pointless distinction.
>>84368280Most women have XY chromosomes at least somewhere in their body, as I sufficiently explained in my first post. Are you a little bit slow?
>>84368282A hemodialysis machine can act like a artifical kidney, but it is not a kidney. Got it?
>>84368274>>84367897>>84368070>Why is transgenderism legitimate but transracialism not legitimateGender is quite different than race. Gender has a root in neurology, while race has a root in physiology. Trans-sex status has been demonstrated to have an in-born component, while trans-race has not.Some items distinguishing the two proposed phenomena include,Pregnancy:"since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in transsexuality"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21094885/There is a sexed body-map in the brain:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5738422/Milton Diamond's proposal: "Transsexualism as an Intersex Condition" [of the brain]https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2015to2019/2016-transsexualism.html
>>84368274>All it would take would be the same effort going into pushing it as there has been for the whole transgender shit and it would become popular too.Sounds like speculation to me. Trans racialism doesn't make sense to me because 2 parents can only ever make 1 race, you never even had a chance to be a different race but at least with genders there was a possibility you could've been something different so I get it more>>84368232And you're a practitioner of what? Pseudoscientism?
>>84368299To use your analogy, you are arguing that a hemodialysis machine does not succeed at producing the same function as a kidney, and hence is not useful. This is a nonsense argument.
>>84368254What does it have to do with you if the Emperor's wearing clothes or not. If he identifies as clothed you should use his preferred language, otherwise you'd be a bigot
>>84365135>>84365613Anyone who uses the word "troon" is a racist incel. Why are you insulting people just for being 1/3rd black dude? You know that word comes from "quadroon"?
>>84365693He had already lost his aura with one reply to his tweet.
>>84368303>there's no physiological difference for gender but there is for raceLeftists are horseshoe-ing around back to racism again, kek. Mentally ill freak retards.
you are all incredibly predictable and boring and nobody is walking away from this thread convinced of anything they weren't already but these are still always the fastest threads here now, this board is so fucking done
>>84368328As a recent landmark study demonstrated, evolution has been quite active for the last 10,000 years. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01204-5Not sure why you think social shaming is an argument. There are some physiological differences, such as the precise shape of various features, the coloring of hair and skin, etc.Gender identity is based on prenatal hormone exposures which produce an internal sense of self and body ownership, which is a form of neurology. It's a distinct trait from sex, though they are inherently related via your neurologically defined sense of genital ownership, or else wrongness, latter case yielding gender dysphoria.
>>84368341I don't need to convince anyone arguing is purely for my own enjoyment
>>84368311No amount of hormones will make someone who was born with a uterus produce sperm or who was born with a prostate and testicles develope a fetus. Of course diregarding the clear genetic defects strawman low iq logical fallacy.
It doesn't make sense to me that people come to the "cute anime girl" website to try to argue wanting to be a cute girl is bad, might as well go to hot topic and argue gauges and eyeliner is gay while you're at it
>>84368358You can want to be anything you want, doesnt mean you will become one
>>84365728Video attached just for an example:Biological females are capable of growing a quasi-penis, because the clitoris and the penis are, what is referred to as "homologous structures", to one another. This is achieved by adding testosterone, which causes their tissues to act as though they had XY chromosomes.
>>84368355Ohhh so if you stop producing sperm you stop being a man! Now I get it!
>>84367897>You can't become a male when every cell in your body is female.>You can't become female when every cell in your body is male.you're talking about chromosomes, not cellshormones determine if your cells develop as male or female. If you observed the cells or tissues of a trans woman under a microscope they would be indistinguishable from the cells of a cis womanif you got an electron microscope and isolated the chromosomes during the proper phase of mitosis you could check what the chromosomes are, but that has no bearing on whether the cells are functionally and morphologically male or female.
>>84368367>act as thoughBut its not a real penis though.My penis is around 7x that. >>84368369You must be born with sperm producing organs to be a man
>>84368365Yeah but you clearly don't belong here so why not fuck off back to plebbit, tourist
>>84368344Thinking you're a woman =/= being a woman. Gender Identity = delusion. Schizophrenia is also neurological and ja schizo's delusions are just as valid as a man believing he's a woman. Your attempts to rewrite definitions = REJECTED. Your attempts to force me to play into your delusions = REJECTED. Now listen, I do have pity on you, and other forms of retards, but it doesn't make you any less retarded for it.
>>84367201Why does your very narrow and rigid view require government enforcement and erasure of a comprehensive understanding of history?
>>84367124>>84367222That is alike to calling yourself a "climate atheist". You can deny the facts, but it doesn't make you correct.
>>84368376But if you stop producing sperm you stop being a man because you need to be able to produce sperm to be a man
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE WHAT IS THAT THING ON THE RIGHT?!
>>84368385Climate change is a religion I don't believe in
>>84367254Elon Musk is based and red pilled thoughever
>>84368369Think harder, a man is capable of producing sperm, but can become infertile, still meaning he was born with the biology for such capabilities making him a male if born without any genetic defects, picking clear genetic defects as examples is a low iq formal fallacy too, remember that.
>>84368379Mentioning schizophrenia is not a valid rebuttal, because your original argument was about whether we should consider transgenderism a more valid and objectively existent condition than transracialism, and how they are different. I presented you with evidence that gender dysphoria is an in-born condition you can objectively discover with lab scans, as well as additional explanation about how they are distinct in concept.
>>84368407So if it's not the sperm producing ability that makes someone a man? What is it? Is it chromosomes?
>>84368393Being a pedantic faggot doesn't work here. If a human with human DNA is born with missing limbs, does it make him a snake? Nope. Everyone knows this, you can stop being a cunt now. You're still not a woman and never will be.
>>84368407>was born withare you the same person you were born as?you're taking a definition that relies on historical claims, not immediate biological reality.
>>84367274Your reply is an example of what is known as "naturalness bias". However, it is not a correct kind of assumption to say that what is natural is better than what is artificial. For example, naturally-occurring cyanide and deadly bacteria would refute this assumption, as would the existence of antibacterial medicine.
>>84368417if a human is born with two legs and has the genes for having two legs but loses a leg later in life, do they actually still have two legs because they were born like that? Must we continue calling that person a biped?
>>84367927I genuinely don't believe most cells can be gendered, despite containing the sex chromosomes in their nucleus. this is because they would be the same whether they had xx or not.
>>84368416Re-read it please, I know it is too much strain for your brain, but eventually you will get what I meant.
>>84367293You're using a pseudo-intellectual fig leaf of justification for trans exclusion, i.e. appealing to the definition, then when the definition breaks down you start saying all definitions have unstated exceptions, except when you don't want to make the unstated exception, because it breaks the definition. Are you too low IQ to grasp this?
>>84368417>Being a pedantic faggot doesn't work here.It does this thread is only active because of me it would already be archived if I hasn't bumped it>If a human with human DNA is born with missing limbs, does it make him a snake? Oh so a man doesn't need a working penis to be a man after all. Thank you for confirming I'm correct once again
>>84367330Assuming that the anon you are replying to is transsexual, then in fact what is most likely is an exceptionally high IQ, per objective experiments.
>>84368438men and women have different bodies because their organs are different, and their organs are different because their tissues are different, and their tissues are different because their cells are differentbut this is caused by hormones, not sex chromosomes. The difference happens because in fetal development the SRY gene signals to start releasing testosterone which causes male physical development. But after that point, it's all hormonal.
>>84368444Trannies continue to be hideous freaks no matter how much you argue they arent. Sad face
>>84368439Is this about the born with sperm producing genitals thing? We circle back to you don't check if someone had whatever genitals at birth to assume someone's gender
>>84368455Now that makes you need to be good looking to be a woman. If you're ugly you're just a man! I see that's how it works now
>>84368450This is because troons are all white btw, conservatives basically just want to genocide other whites now thanks to jewish antitrans programming
>>84367823jeets are exploitative idiots, troons are exploitative high IQ demonsI prefer jeets
>>84368466Actually, it is the opposite, which demonstrates that the effect must be so large that it somehow swamps this out.
>>84368432The human species is bipedal. The injured human is no longer functionally bipedal. However, it doesn't make the human a different animal when it's injured. Like how being a pedantic retard with feces flowing from your mouth doesn't make you a woman.>>84368444>It doesNo it doesn't. You've convinced no one. You're a laughingstock that exists to be ridiculed.>I'm correctHey man, once again, you are delusional enough to believe you're a woman, it isn't difficult for me to believe you believe you are correct when you're completely defeated on every level. You will surely commit suicide if reality ever sets in, so I get why you block it out. Yet, again, a man's delusions don't change reality, no matter how fervently he believes them.
>>84368466>jews are bad goy>let the troon jew take over your hobbies via censorship, shoot up schools and mutilate your children instead :)The troon is no better
>>84368452what I mean is if you took cells out of the body, without looking at their genes, it would not be way to tell if they came from a man or a woman
>>84368481>You've convinced no one.Convincing isn't my goal I'm being entertained
>>84368481>The human species is bipedal. The injured human is no longer functionally bipedalright, so it would be silly to say that the individual ought to be treated as having two legs just because they were born that way, right?>Like how being a pedantic retard with feces flowing from your mouth doesn't make you a woman.you seem kinda mad, chill
>>84368466Troons are a societal plague. The one infecting people is obviously the biggest problem, but you still need to cull the diseased to prevent further infection.
>>84365294>>84365386>>84368472Y'all need to read a book. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1872835369047327015
why would you have a problem with trans people as a whole and not individuals anyways
>>84368481If anything I sure hope I don't convince anyone I would run out of idiots to talk to
>>84368492good point, leftoids such as you have no intent to argue legitimately. you see your opposition as unworthy of even a few minutes of effort to try and convince themthus, you are evil in the same way as the jew
>>84368492>I'm acting like a retard and being laughed at to entertain myselfWhatever floats your boat, I guess.>>84368494The human ought to be treated like a human and not like another animal despite the loss of its limb, yes that is correct. Just like how you cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman, neither should you be treated like one.>y-y... you mad??Concession accepted.
>>84368472>high IQFunniest thing you ever said
>>84368509>The human ought to be treated like a human and not like another animal despite the loss of its limb, yes that is correct. Just like how you cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman, neither should you be treated like one.but you're defining a man as someone born with the ability to produce sperm. Why aren't you defining a biped as someone born with two legs?it's the same claim, you're using the birth state to assume an unchanged state for the rest of their life. But it would be silly to call someone with one leg a biped, don't you think?
>>84368506I mean the "opposition" has spent the entire thread ignoring their points so what else are you supposed to do?
>>84368514Yes, right-wing philosopher Nick Land a.k.a. Outsideness acknowledged the objective data on the topic.
>>84368509The anon posting about a human without arms and legs not being a snake was genuinely funny to me because he literally like unknowingly confirmed you indeed don't need a penis to be a man>>84368506There is no such thing as good faith on this site in general if someone wanted to take the things I'm saying seriously they could just do that without ever replying to me
>>84368522>troons: i am born a woman if i say so even though i have a dickthey have no points besides this one that has been debunked millions of times by now?
>>84365135Nah I don't like this guy, what has he achieved? He just talks and says we men are the best the contributors the inventors and revolutionaries like okay agree some men do shit and achieve a lot but I find it cringe to try to bask and profit and be like WE men as if he is part of that elite and use that as yeah I'm superior because WE men are better. I find it stupid to think like that, you can definitely be a big loser man like myself and you can definitely be someone that just likes the idea of being superior to others on the basis of sharing a characteristic with other people far more successful and capable than yourself.
>>84368529This guy is funny trying to use tweets from right wing grifters to trick you into thinking supporting troons is a right wing thing, lol
>>84368558Meant to reply to >>84368502 asdfgh
>>84368544nothing can pierce the armour of ignorance
>>84368562But that post is about Indians. And that's not a "grifter", that's the richest man in the world signal-boosting an objective research study.
>>84368509Like I'm genuinely impressed how stubborn someone can be. Anything just to avoid accepting factual truths as truths
you're still a man and will always be a man :)
>>84368756I feel like someone made a post like that for me before
>>84365613>>84367720jews are massively overrepresented among trannies, look it up>>84367724seething kike
>>84368260just because you castrated yourself doesnt mean you arent a incel anymore
All my niggaz nazis nigga hh
>>84368984The Nazis were a highly anti-Christian movement who slaughtered people for their Christian beliefs.
>>84369090No tgey weren't and they even got an official endorsement from the pope you stupid lying nigger retard.
>>84369090>woman>jehova witnesssheeeeet
>>84368442>You're using a pseudo-intellectual fig leaf of justification for trans exclusion, iEven pron sites have clear distinction of male vs/ female for trans.There is no 3rd gender.You are either male or female.
>>84369090There is nothing wrong with giving savoir to abraham folks.
>>84369210T posing ahh niggas
>>84367700>>84368506I would be willing to engage in like actual good faith if it was good faith coming from you too
>>84365135"men" that spend time thinking about how they look are faggets. both people in the OP are faggets
>>84368456A female is defined as: "Biologically as the sex that produces large, immobile gametes (ova or eggs) designed for reproduction. Females possess specialized reproductive organs typically ovaries, a uterus, and a vagina to produce eggs, facilitate fertilization, and, in most species, carry developing young during gestation and nourish them via lactation."This is the general definition. From that point, we've observed that females have certain specific characteristics, like they naturally develop different bone structures compared to men, they develop A or B secondary sexual characteristics, even have different brain chemistry or generally deviate from typical male neurological patterns. Now, there exists females that deviate from these norms, so they could still share common traits with these definitions we've set up, but they don't fully fit them, but in order for that to happen, they'd need to be born with birth defects, diseases so on. The redefining of what male and female is works by trying to bypass these definitions through using edge cases. You could generally do this for literally anything in humans. For example, you could argue that humans have two legs, two arms, two hands, 10 fingers, are bipedal, so on. From that point, you could easily argue how some people are born with only one arm, therefore by those definitions they aren't humans, and some are born with 11 fingers, some are born with hunchbacks so on. This isn't really saying anything, it's just low IQ sophistry and arguing about semantics. At the end of the day, no one really know the exact definitions of what a female is, but the vast majority of people can recognize trannies right away because something just "looks wrong". And I know trannies have that cope that "you don't notice the ones that pass", but everyone does, because they're a poor imitation of a female. Feel free to use modern jew copscience but YWNBAW
>>84369805When you look at a female irl do you see these gametes? No. Then how do you know it's a woman if you can't see them if you need to know they're there to know it's a woman?
>youtube screenshottroon behavior, buy an ad
>>84369845If you read anything after the first point you'd know
>>84365399Trannies will literally infiltrate academia, social media, workplaces and companies to force them to be in their favor. Then they will follow by crafting arguments thousands of words long, only for them to be shattered the moment a retard on the low end of the bell curve says: "Thatlooks like a dude, me no like" or an autist taking a quick look at them and immediately being able to tell all the details of their physiology.
>>84369877I mean you literally said you don't know how to define a female either so idc
>>84369845If a white guy pigments his skin, do surgery to look black, puts an afro wig and manage to deceive others identifying as black does that mean he is black all of sudden? now he deserves to have reparations too and have the same rights to quotas as a black people? taking the space of genuine black people? are you 14?
>>84369845It's actually very easy to tell. Most likely, everyone knows you are a troon, anon. For example, just the other day, I was walking behind someone, who was wearing female clothes and had long hair, and could tell it was a troon despite seeing nothing but the long hair + back, waist, legs, etc. Body structure was masculine. My brain instantly singled it out and was like "that's a troon", then I saw his face and yep, masculine face with an adam's apple. Troon. You delude yourself into thinking people can't tell.
>>84369903You can't always tell even if you fantasize that you can>>84369901No like I said earlier trans racialism isn't real
>>84369890The point is that no definition will ever be exact and perfectly encompass literally every single edge case, but it does not mean the definitions we have are wrong or innacurate, they do fit for 99% of females still and the 1% are literal defects, diseases and mutations, so ultimately arguments like "what is a female?" just involve sophistry. You could trivialize literally any definition that way, and just ultimately come to the conclusion that anything can be anything if you're vague enough or want to be rigorous enough, going by that route ultimately defeats the purpose of language itself. But like I said, this is a language/semantics issue. As >>84369880 pointed out, even some low IQ retard that has no idea of what a female is definitionally can still tell women and men apart even with trannies existing. You can simply just tell there is something wrong with this "woman" and that it's actually a male playing pretend. Even if a magical and perfect gender bender procedure were to be invented, people would still be able to tell who had it or not, because the sci-fi magical troons were still socialized as male/female. Once more, YWNBAW
>>84369925Exchange white with men and black with women anon, you are almost there!
>>84369959Omg it's the 1% thing again we've been over this move on
>>84369925Bro, you can got to /lgbt/ right now and see all the posts about troons seething because they can't pass, who do you think you are fooling besides yourself?
>>84369971Transracial and transgender isn't the same thing so you can't use them interchangeably because they aren't the same thing>>84369988>some people online post they don't pass this means that no one passesAre you genuinely retarded?
>>84369978lmao. That response is just pathetic, you can't even say anything besides "move on chud!!!"
>>84370016Because I said it like 3 times already I guess I'll just tell you to read this post again >>84365871
>>84370014>some random biased articles that agree with me show you are wrong.Are you genuinely retarded?
>>84370034While we're on topic you should kill yourself
>>84370027They are shit arguments though, so is not like you "won" or anything.
>>84370041No one was able to say anything to disprove it you just keep crying noo you're wrong you're wrong noo baselessly
>>84370041Like you're just calling it a shit argument you're not able to explain why it's a shit argument. You say it's a shit argument just because you don't like it
>>84370036Is that on topic because we are talking about troons? lmao
>>84369925>You can't always tell even if you fantasize that you canWhat part of me observing objective reality is "fantasizing", anon? If there's any fantasy here, it's in your head. I have never met a troon I couldn't instantly pin, and I have met quite a few because I work somewhere that attracts mostly liberals.The closest one ever got to fooling me was a female-to-male tranny that had a big beard, but even then her voice and height gave it away. In the first few seconds before meeting, before she spoke, I thought it was just a frail manlet or something, but as soon as she spoke I was like "Ah, ftm tranny." And even then, I could obviously tell something was very "off" with this person, I just didn't pin "ftm tranny" right away. But a mtf has never even gotten that close to fooling me, I can always tell immediately.
>>84370069I'm not doing the tranny thing with you because if my faith is bad yours is like abysmal compared to mine so I'll just tell you to kill yourself instead of taking you seriously
>>84370075Regardless of trannies you wouldn't be able to guess what chromosomes people have 100% accurately 100% of the time
>>84370086Probably not. It'd probably be like... 99.8% or something. Line up 1 million people and I'd probably get one wrong eventually.
>>84370055>>84370067>Does that mean that a hand with less than 5 fingers is not a hand? No it's still objectively a hand even if it doesn't fit your 5 finger definition. You can define a woman as having XX chromosomes but this does defy the reality that women without XX chromosomes exist>yeah since 0.00000000001% of the population are born with their organs switched to the left, we can confidently say that the human standard encompasses organs being on both the left and right side of the body.Nobody, not languages, medicine, or any technical field, not even common sense, makes the exception rule the average. The fact that you have to grasp at straws and engage in semantics is proof alone that the argument is shit.
>>84370027I can only imagine you're retarded because I already explained to you twice why those argument are just braindead. There are two tranny arguments: Sophistry surrounding definitions, even though a definition of female and male that includes troons would completely kill both words, or what I like to call the "Troon's Proof", as a homage to Devil's proof. It's the idea that there is always one elusive tranny that passes perfectly and that blends perfectly within society as a woman that no one can ever claim doesn't existSomehow, troons' brains are so fucked up from pumping themselves full of chemicals that they don't realize these are either retarded fallacies or just pure sophistry
>>84370105Yes so you can't always tell
>>84370036Statistically speaking, there's about a 20x higher chance you kys than he does.
>>84370123not even spaceships have such a small fail rate, and yet you want to use that as an argument? lol
>>84370112>>84370115Point is you can't always tell :P
>>84370136I mean yeah I already explained it in the beginning of the thread I won't bother trying harder just because you're stupid >>84370129There is a confirmed 0% chance I'm going to kill myself. Don't know about you though
>>84370123So far I've been able to, but theoretically there's probably someone out there who could fool me. If you want to hold onto that theoretical future victory scenario where a troon fools me, then go for it, I guess. If it ever happens, I'll come back here and make a thread so you can feel good.
>>84370141>Point is you can't always tell :PLol, lmao even.
Is pretty insane how clowned the troons are getting here and they just close their ears and claim victory lol
>>84370169If they showed you a bearded women with pcos I bet you'd think it's a trans person >>84370162Uhm yeah I'm still right and you're still wrong
>>84370179I literally don't have to do much to keep them upset just say no I'm right and here comes another paragraph full of seething
>>84370180>If they showed you a bearded women with pcos I bet you'd think it's a trans personKeep coping bro.
>>84370195If you ever see one in person I just know you'll lose your shit
>>84370180>Uhm yeah I'm still right and you're still wrongTechnically, no.
>>84370222Technically, literally yes. I'm still right trans women are women and you refuse to accept the facts
>>84370191>Even though I came to post here because I am obsessed, you the obsessed one because you responded!
>>84370230No, I haven't been wrong so far and have a 100% success rate identifying troons. So technically, you are wrong, you lost and I won. I'm just saying that, theoretically, there probably exists someone out there who could fool me. It remains to be seen though.>trans women are womenThey're very obviously not but that was never part of our discussion anyway so it is irrelevant.
>>84370235I come here because I just love going back and forth I could do it forever. The only thing that's going to stop me is that I'll have to go to bed eventually. Don't worry though that won't make you correct on anything you've said
>>84370239What's your success rate on differentiating pcos women from transgender women?
>>84370204I actually have. one of them was at work, it was a FTM. Everyone at work pretended to be nice to her (to avoid being fired), but we would talk about how weird she fucking was wherever she wasn't looking.The second time was at the bus, some ugly guy with fake tits came in, and you could feel how everyone on the bus felt awkward as hell, it was as if an ogre had gotten on. Is pretty pathetic how you have to go off assumptions just to feel like you're winning.>>84370230That's a circular argument, if more of a slogan that a fact since it lacks any substance.
>>84370249I've known 2 women with PCOS in my life. One was a teacher when I was a kid, had a mustache, but I never thought she was a man, just a woman with a mustache. The other is currently my friend and is obviously a woman, and she grows stubble but shaves it every day. So 100% so far with that as well.
>>84370270I was talking about like a woman with pcos. If you ever saw that in person you'd just write it off a troon without a second thought
>>84370242wait... are you serious? You really aren't helping the stereotype of troons being terminally online freaks that just spend all day seething about people not believing their bs lol. Like, I have to babysit in an hours I will have to stop eventually.
>>84370278You do know there are too many variables at play for you to actually be able to determine someone's chromosomes really accurately by just looking at them
>>84370290>terminally onlineThat would require me to be here everyday the last time I posted in a thread like this was about a month ago
>>84370293We've been over this, anon. I've always been able to so far, it's not difficult. You're going back to an already-disproven claim.
>>84370284Not really. I know you have to go off assumptions and fantasies, but pcos women actually look like women behind all the hair. You are pretty pathetic is that the best you can do desu
>>84370307>I come here because I just love going back and forth I could do it forever. The only thing that's going to stop me is that I'll have to go to bed eventually. Don't worry though that won't make you correct on anything you've said>That would require me to be here everyday the last time I posted in a thread like this was about a month agoI sure doesn't sound like that
>>84370330>>84370331Are you both slow?
>>84370341I'm sure you'll across some sort of trans related threads after this one and you might notice that I won't be participating in them
>>84370350>>84370331No, are you retarded? You go on the assumption that we can't tell, we tell you that isn't the case and even show you images that clearly show it's easy to tell, and yet still insist. I know it hurts you to admit that this argument isn't working but is the truth>>84370360This place is literally Anonymous, you could be lying and I couldn't tell, is a shit argument compared to what we can see in this thread already.
>>84370284Women with PCOS still have female faces, bodies, voices, and no adam's apple. Try again, retarded troon. BTW you do not pass and never will.
>>84370378I don't post like this everyday I don't care about proving it to you
>>84370399but you care enough to try to justify yourself instead of ignoring me apparently
>>84370396Sure there's like cais bet you wouldn't be able to tell the chromosomes on that
>>84370411You could ignore me too
>>84370414Moving the goalpost again uh.
>>84370423Does try again not mean I should move onto something different?
>>84370423>>84370433I will. I need to babysit my sisters, which is is something you will never experience btw, being pregnant that is. I'm gonna go play hide and seek now lol
