We will all be NEETs within 2-3 yearsThank God for AIThank God for Elon Musk
>>84374582how does anyone read this and not think a one world currency is coming into play.
>>84374582So rent will go down right?
>>84374610The world never agrees on anything for something like that to happen.
>>84374635Not at all, Elon is just talking about slop nobody really needs like ineffective lust images and fidget spinners with little lights on them
robots will have all the money then and they will just buy dumb shit
>>84374637>What is cryptocurrency
>>84374582imagine the amount of browns pouring in if they increase gibs even morethe whole welfare in my country is erroding already because nobody is working and migrantmaxxing up the wazoothis will make things 1000 times worseyeah were cooked
>>84374582I don't know Elon, all that assumes AI and robotics will be advanced enough to do those things in 5 years. It's very risky.
>>84374582where the fuck are they gonna get the money to fund UBI for every unemployed person especially after AI ruins the job market?
>>84374582OK Elon, what's your fucking model? Mind publishing an economics paper?
>>84374677You think if AI/robotics replaces jobs that they wont produce a lot of money? Like the money that would normally pay wages is just going to magically vanish into thin air? How high are you?
>>84374582This idea is nothing new and goes back nearly 120 yearsThe issue is the tech has never happen. Much like this AI craze it hit as roof and just stops because whatever that spark is in living creatures just doesn't happen with digital minds, at least not yet.
>>84374676AI is advanced enough to do a lot of things IF you read Codd and Backus and do what they said instead of trying to prompt it.
>>84374582Elon is right. I don't like his greed and views on immigration, but the is right about the better world of tomorrow. However, I don't think it will be achieved in my, his, or "our anons" lifetimes.>>84374610because people will find ways to exchange services and good using something else. Not only they always have, the always do. Like sex in exchange for a whole variety of stuff or services too.>>84374635after the inevitable population collapse>>84374637this is true, whoever it is undeniable that the entire world sees the benefits of full automation through the robotics and AI (agents) generally speaking. China, despite negatives, is actually pushing stuff like green energy and robotics forward.Also, on a side not, the Ukrainan Armed Forces are now using robots/AI as boots on the ground and (not flying drones, but also the flying drones too) to conduct military operations to liberate villages, clear building from live enemies, and such.TL;DR: The world is already very fucking different from the world we lived in mere 15 years ago and it change only accelerates. Still our lifetime might not be enough to wintess the arrival of the age of abundance and plenty.
>>84374582>Just trust me to have my finger on the button of this huge robot army!>I promise I'll give all you peasants uh... uhhhhh.... FREE MONEY! Yeah!>Just ignore my PayPal Mafia friend over there David Sacks saying it'll never happen>He's a little autistic and said it out loud by accident
Yeah let's take advice from a drug addicted manchild.
>>84374635>So rent will go down right?depends on the demographics of the neighborhood
>>84374921you don't understand how humans work as species and therefore how human world works. You can't rule over a pile of ash. You can't be elite when nobody is below you.It might turn into a terrible dystopia for a while, but automation will outperform humans, it already does anyway. And it will overproduce, as it already does anyway. The difference is under the current, still fragmented in the world, economic system, the produced goods that can't be sold have to be destroyed. It seems like it makes no fucking sense, but the oversupply currently still threatens the economy. It's not financially viable at all. But people will get over it, and no, it won't be a socialism, nor the defunct theory of communism from 200 years ago. It will be different, but the change is coming, albeit still rather slowly.
>>84374982This is a photo of the Georgia Guidestones. It was demolished four years ago after serving its purpose of notifying the world that the elites intend to kill billions of people off and maintain the population under 500 million.Sorry I didn't get a "human nature PhD" before observing this factual information.
>>84374982You know, basic labor theory calls commodities a crystallization of human labor. What happens when commodities with use-value just get created automatically? That does not degrade the usefulness of the thing, but rather in some cases, more supply means more demand.What's the intuitive model here? If a commodity is not a crystallization of human labor, does it have value per se?
>>84374582I am increasingly convinced that AI is a giant grift to increase stock valuations
>>84374811You knowI can already tell this isn't an argument I'm gonna win so I concede
>>84374660Majority of people have zero trust for that rubbish.
>>84374582We're all so fucked
>>84374610It's not a bad idea.
>>84375014I think it is a good idea and I support it wholeheartedly. Nobody can even picture 500M people in their mind. That's a lot of motherfuckers. Plenty.>>84375019the manual human labour will always be there, because that's who humans are. People want to do shit. So the full automation does not erase the human creativity, ingenuity, discovery, and so forth. It merely provides and covers all of the basic, and mayhap, not so basic necessities. Humans will still do shit, because they want to.
>>84374582(((They))) didn't give any of the wealth generated by excess productivity thanks to tech advancements over the last century to wagies. That was all funneled directly to (((shareholders))) and (((executives))) while wagies received stagnant wages, hence the rich getting richer while the poor just stay poor. Why does this retard think (((they))) will suddenly do a 180 and decide to give that wealth created by AI to former wagies/NEETs? When (((they))) talk about eliminating carbon footprints, remember (You) are a carbon-based lifeform.
>>84375080I agree with you in principle, but I don't agree with you details. You're correct and the graphs don't lie, however, the improvement of the quality of life, on average, and things like the elongation of the human lifespan, because of better food and tech, and medicine, and care cannot be denied.TL:DR: Yes, but no. Give it time.
based I can't wait until we have neet bros in a big happy neet family
>>84375058>500M people in their mind. That's a lot of motherfuckersHow confident are you that you're one of them?
>>84375058Is manual labor worth anything when it's all necessary for exercising "human creativity, ingenuity, discovery, and so forth?" Profit is derived from the excess of labor.
>>84374921The left is envisioning UBI to stop the bleeding on what would be the single greatest disaster for the US thus far in history. Ideally it doesn't get to that point. What is the alternative? You can't expect that the country with the most guns will quietly resign themselves to starving to death because CEO man said so. Optimistically, we'd get FDR on steroids. Less optimistically, civil war will break out. Americans are only so pliant and cucked because they're well-fed and have endless entertainment.
>>84375148You will BEHAVE, because you are under AI surveillance and billionaires will have superior robo-soldiers to anything you can put up. Sit down peasant.
>>84375034Well, yes. AI is actually nowhere near able to do white collar work well. White collar work isn't even seeing significant productivity boosts. The thing people say it's best at, coding, is still at best able to trim teams. People could still be convinced that overworking a few using LLMs is better for shareholders than hiring entry-level employees to do gruntwork, and that'd be catastrophic for zoomers but wouldn't lead to collapse. It's just a continuation that every generation after boomers has been raped more violently and ruthlessly than the last. Gen alpha won't even have scraps.
>>84375105Yes, there were improvements to QOL as a result of improving technology. But those improvements still made number go up while also helping (((their))) wagies produce more and stay in the workforce longer, so the fact commoners got something out of it too was just a happy accident. Now (((they))) can make number go up with speculation about technology that eliminates the need for wagies without giving us anything in return.
>>84375114you don't understand how many people 500M are. That's a quarter or a fifth higher than the current U.S. population. You don't even know 1000 people, faggot. Why do you care about billions somewhere you'll even travel to?There are factually too many people around. I want less people around me, yes. As I assume an older person, I'd probably go first. But I don't think you need tens of people around you at all times. Nobody does. Relax, the population will decline naturally. Look at Japan, China, Europe, U.S., populations naturally decline. People don't want more people around them. They want less, because nobody gives a shit about somebody you don't even know exists.>>84375120yes. manual labor will always be valuable to the people who value it. not a circular argument by the way.If we were to grant the existence of the fully automated ruled by AI society of plenty, there still will be groups, who will value old ways and would want to separate themselves and go live in the wild. Think like Amish.On top of that even more people will want to do something with their own hands, because it is rewarding. And those people will always also value the labor of other people. Not everything in life is a statistic, a global economy, and trillions in a bank account. People just discuss these the most.
>>84375014People are way too schizo about those rocks, it was made by a bunch of Rosicrucian hippies as a manual to humanity's survivors on how to build back if WW3 ever happened at a time (late 70's) when Malthusianism and nuclear holocausts were major concernsIt's just another immortality project done by people with existential dread, check out Becker's Denial of DeathAll this being said I do agree that the elites are moving to take a much more dominant role in western societies, but how that's going to take form is a matter of debate
We went from 60-70% of the popuIation working in agriculture to 1-5%.Replacing human workers with machines didn't put humans out of work, it put them in different lines of work
>>84375194What replaces all white collar jobs? Americans can't be competitive factory workers.
>>84374660A fucking scam that retards prop up for criminalsYou're welcome
>>84375181>On top of that even more people will want to do something with their own hands, because it is rewarding. And those people will always also value the labor of other people.None of that implies or necessitates the use of money.
>>84374865>Backus>"Programs must become mathematical structures, not sequences of commands"Even in 1977 that was retarded and yes that's when I started programming
>>84375216money is just a tool. anything can be money. pinguins use pretty rocks for their nests as currency and females even whore themselves out in exchange for pretty rocks.Money is just a tool that is a universal good. It simplifies and universalize the exchange of other goods inside of a trading system, an economy.You can literally anything else you'd see as a and agree upon being valuable.
>>84375200New jobs that develop technology that doesn't currently exist.Prior to 2007, how many people do you think worked as Smart Phone App developers?
>>84374811>replaces jobs >produce a lot of moneyDownsizing doesn't produce income you fucking retard because the main costs of an industry aren't wages, they tend to be capital expenses Make two guesses as to what category AI/data centers falls into
>>84375243Are you just copying and pasting talking points? That's a white collar job and will therefore be taken by AI.
>>84375014>this factual information>Engraved letters instructing something without context>factsHoly fuck you're illiterate
Huh, I never thought that the future of work would belong to the object manipulators.
>>84375269https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2009/07/14Apples-App-Store-Downloads-Top-1-5-Billion-in-First-Year/I just use it as an example because it was something that really disrupted my life.Back in the mid 2000s, I got most of my video game news from terrestrial media. I would go to the local book store and flip through the open magazines to read coverage, if my parents had the money I would buy a magazine and bring it back along with a demo disc. I would turn on G4 Tech TV and watch X-Play and Reviews on the run review. These magazines would often have podcasts, and I listened to all the EGM/GFW/1UP podcasts.Beteween 2007-2009, all these traditional distribution methods dried up. All the Ziff Davis video game magazines went bankrupt, I never got a demo disc again, and my parents stopped paying for cable in 2008. This was the biggest disruption in the status quo of my life until the release of ChatGPT.The answer to my question was "Not very many". But the Apple App Store had 1.5 billion apps downloaded in the first year, so it went from a job that didn't exist to one that was highly valued overnight, at Steve Jobs press conference.Angry Birds was a billion dollar franchise that was made possible because of the iPhone. Though I prefered apps like Jelly Car
>>84375169It won't work, because the money has to be put to work. The net worth of people is not the cash they have in their pockets at all times. Money is typically invested into production to ensure the growth tomorrow, that's like basics of a functioning economy.If you were to cut the demand or even the ability of people to give you money in exchange for your goods, then you yourself will go bankrupt. Pretty fast too. Here is a simple example:>poor hobo population can't afford shit>business gets no money from poor hobos>business can't reinvest into itself, can't pay off credit/debt/loan>business collapses, because all of the means of production deteriorate naturally>also become outdated as the competition does better in another ocuntry>can't research, develop, produce anymore>downsize>closebut hey, at least we "robbed" the population of some money, amirgiht?You do understand that economy, meaning the numbers, the volume as they call it, the gdp too, are not reflective of reality, right? There are separate indicators such as the amount of currency in existence. But the volume of the economy can easily be tens of thousands of times of the amount of currency, because economy tracks the money and goods changing hands, not the nomilal total value. Like a know example of two economists and shit>economist a tells economist b he'll pay him 100 bucks for eating shit>economist b eats shit>economist b gets 100>economist b tells economist a to eat shit for 100 bucks too>economist a eats shit>economist a gets his 100 back from economist b>you now have two economists full of shit and total volume of the economy is 200 bucks.
>>84375226Sequences of commands are mathematical structures (Church-Turing equivalence) except when they're written as commands, the math usually works out to be retarded.
>>84375242>You can literally anything else you'd see as a and agree upon being valuable.Nigga BREATHE
>>84374582UBI will not be a thing right away, data centers will have to get burnt down and heads will have to be cut off for UBI to become a thing.
>>84375306The problem is any job that requires sitting at a computer would be replaced by AI. If AI was that intelligent, it'd obviously be able to replace any job requiring working with your hands or operating a vehicle/machine. Developing new tech would be a category of job that would no longer exist. The only limiting factors would be cost of energy and cost of compute. Maybe there'd be blue collar work left but it's unclear how that would suddenly drastically grow. Wages would just collapse.
>>84374811If you don't have customers you won't produce money. Without jobs people will have no choice but to cut on everything
>>84375354I think AI will be harnessed by super users.As Audio engineering got more sophisticated in the 90s and 2000s, did Musicians get put out of business? Not really. You still had bands out on tour, and then you would have rappers like Dr Dre who would use a sound board instead of an instrument to produce music. It's not just white collar jobs that are threatened. When Coca-Cola starts using AI to generate their christmas ads, that can put visual effects artists and even extras out of work. But on the flip side, lowering costs increases distribution. Banks installing ATMs replaced human jobs with automated labor. You wouldn't have to speak to a human to withdraw $20 from your bank account. But this lowered the cost of opening up new branches and increased the number of banking jobs.Elevators used to have human operatorshttps://www.npr.org/2015/07/31/427990392/remembering-when-driverless-elevators-drew-skepticismDriverless elevators put elevator operators out of a job, but it increased the adoption of elevators, because building operators no longer had to pay an employee to operate each elevator, which meant more elevators installed. This made elevator maintenance more sophisticated, and generated more elevator technician jobs, which were higher paid then the elevator operators
>>84375723We go up and we go down, like an ELEVATOR. Touch the sky and touch the ground, like an ELEVATOR. I'm just trying to elevate you like an ELEVATOR
UBI will be female only
>>84374582lmao fucking treatlerite cattle the superprofits are falling,the petrodollar is dead and the america is going back to regional power you arent gonna get shit kkkrakkkers,its over.
He's very obviously carrot-sticking this shit so the poors won't vote down public funding and use of imminent domain to build data centers. They'll automate everything and then KILL YOU why would they do you any favors?
>>84375806Do you think the covid vaccine was also developed to kill people, because why would they do you any favors?
>>84375723>I think AI will be harnessed by super users.Uh, why? Art commissioning has been raped by AI and AI art is still fucking garbage. Companies are saying they're cutting entry-level hiring due to AI, and the white collar job market obviously is in recession, though there are other reasons for that too. The super users of AI can be replaced by AI. That's the point of AGI. Intelligence becomes no longer scarce. Even warehouse workers today are only not replaced by robots because the robots are extremely dumb (or the electricity is more expensive than its employee replacement, but this will increasingly become less true).Also, even if that was the case, the super users would be incredibly niche and highly skilled, which is not going to be a lot of jobs.
>>84376869I got side tracked.https://youtu.be/8ufqaDx4iuQ?t=600>The Matrix (1999) was meticulously storyboarded by comic artists Geof Darrow and Steve Skroce, who created a 600-page, shot-by-shot visual guide under the Wachowskis' close direction. These extremely detailed boards were treated like graphic novels to explain complex action sceneThe Wachowskis are an example of a super user. Who is able to use multi media to launch multiple projects and cash inHow many indie developers do you think are using AI for their solo project on steam?
Elon is pathetic and no one believes in him anymore
>>84374921pretty funny honestly>the left envisions everybody chilling and having a good time>this is bad somehow
>>84377326The point is right now, AI is dogshit. You can be a superuser of AI agents that generate slop videos or songs to spam and 1 in a million go viral.If it was actually AGI, if it was actually as smart as a human, and it could very rapidly access any piece of information on the internet or across any database its connected to, it'd do all work infinitely faster than humans with no need for sleeping, rights, disagreement, drama, etc. It'd just be drastically better than humans at every possible normal job that involves interacting with software.
>>84375723>chart>teller employment not adjusted for population growth
>We will all be NEETs within 2-3 yearsBased. Since computers became commonplace, we are long overdue a UBI, and Keynes' 15 hour work week.They have already fucked us by outsourcing all the autist jobs to slaves in the past 25 years anyway. 2008 Depression too.
