>>84379535
Yeah but you'll never know what she's doing when you're not around

what is this incohherent retardation? ffs. Next time just let an LLM write it for you.

>>84379551
I think this is just a cuck fantasy and doesn't happen as much as people think

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>>84379535
That's because men lie a lot, when the average foid says she likes "at least 19 cm" because that was "the size of her ex-boyfriend", 90% chances her ex was actually around 16 cm and told her he was 19.

Foreplay also matters a lot to women.

>>84379585
Its kind of a never ending cycle because if women think 4inchers are 5 inches then you really have to lie and tell her it's 4 inches because if she bears 4 inches she'll be imagining 3 inches

>>84379585
just ask any foid to guess 10cm or 20cm by eye, they are retarded, 5cm is 10cm and 20cm is 30cm, never once met a girl with correct estimations

factor in insecure fuccbois lying about their dick size and height and everyone is suddenly 190cm with a 20cm dick.

>>84379597
People always pin this kind of lying on male insecurity as if a woman wouldn't absolutely get the ick over hearing "5'10" they sort of want you to lie

>>84379607
I never had to lie because I am actually 190cm, just because youre short you dont have to be a liar, thats on you

>>84379611
I actually dont lie because im autistic about it but normies and sex havers do for obvious reasons if you were shorter you would lie obviously

>>84379535
>>84379585
ok but if you were to actually give a button that she can just press and she can choose the dick of her boyfriend to be 15cm or 19cm you know she would choose 19cm. the point about dick size or any ideal characteristic is that we're talking about the IDEAL that women want and not what they actually can get which is obviously going to statistically be lower than their ideal since not everyone is literally gigachad

>>84379768
Yeah but there's something not being the ideal and then there's something that someone couldn't be happy with and the question is are women with small dicked partners happy?

>>84379904
>and the question is are women with small dicked partners happy?
Happy with the partner or with the dick? Yeah you could ""compensate"" for having a small dick but I think it's disingenuous to bring this up every time people are talking about an ideal trait, it's like they want to argue that it's false that women prefer a bigger dick just because they can date or marry a guy with a small dick.

>>84379535
Every man who isnt a fag wants a woman with giant tits and a fat ass and extra wide hips, but there are very very few of these women. Same for massive dongs, except many women are closeted/oblivious lesbians and autogynephiles

>>84379563
it happens enough that france had to ban paternity testing so that their society doesnt collapse

>>84380024
Well french women are a whole different breed

>>84379596
You can easily break the cycle by not giving a shit about stupid shit like cock size or height. Be confident. Men lack confidence. Tell people you have a 2 inch micropecker when it's average. Say you're like 5 foot 1 inch dwarf when you're around average. People don't go around measuring a woman's ass, thighs, and breasts and then asking what her ass size is. You can see it for yourself and make a judgement if you like it or not. The obsession with numerical representations rather than raw perception has fucked people's minds up.

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>>84379990
Expectations are part of it
Asian guys can't expect the girls to have huge tits
Asian girls can't expect the guys to have huge cocks

>>84380031
>>84380024
I want a slutty cute french wife so bad...

>>84379535
As a foid i can tell you, its because of porn. The same way porn makes men think that they are small because they dont have surgically enlarged penis like Johnny McCockrocket from bangbros or something, our minds are warped into thinking 17-20cm dicks, which are huge, are actually small or barely average. Like how much meat do they think fits inside of them? 10 kilometers? A guy with a 17-19cm dick is going to hit all your spots and make you filled as fuck. But porn warps girls perespective too, they look at what is a perfectly good dick on a larger side, and they will think "uhh what is that? 12cm shrimp?" and they are looking at a 17cm dick

You wanna know what really "matters" in a way? Girth. Thickness. I have had 2 boyfriends so far and about... 3 hookups? Might be 4 but i was giga drunk so im not even sure if i fucked that night, but no memory so doesnt count.

And i can tell you, the diffirence between a dick that is 16cm and 19cm is absolutely whatever, but the diffirence in thickness? Fuck, that is where you can make me roll my eyes backwards from how good that feels.

My first ex genuinely had the thickest dick ever, and the sex was absolutely mindblowing. Like my mouth and jaw genuinely hurted from giving him head because of his girth. It has been +3 years since we broke up, and that dick is still on my mind from how good it was.

>>84380316
Yeah so size does matter a lot and you're even more of a size queen because thickness creates way more volume than length

>>84380316
This is arousing to read, please write more so I can have my morning fap.

>>84380316
Based. Need a slut wife like you in my life.

>>84380335
I never understood why you moids are malding so hard about the concept of size matters. Obviously it matters. Do tits matter? Are you going to stare at the A cups girl waltz past you, or the huge cleave Jcup milktank girl bouncing past you?

Size mattering is obviously a thing but it shouldnt make you all think that we cant love you otherwise.

Imagine "size matters" like this. Would you rather have 5 million dollars or 500 million dollars? Obviously 500 million is better, but you will be perfectly happy with 5 million dollars too because that also makes you happy and is more than enough.

Also yes exactly thickness is much more volume than length so that is why it matters more in my opinion if i should chose 16cm dick but thicker or 19cm dick but lees thickness always chose 16cm thick dick because it feels amazing.

>>84380345
What is arousing about it lol me talking about the fact my ex had a big dick?

>>84380372
Damn body count is 5 (maybe 6) makes me a slut wife already? But thanks lol again if you get together with a girl and she pulls some bullshit at you about size literally just grab a ruler and put it to your dick. I guarantee you she will not expect it to reach as far as it does because porn brainrotted her to think that 16cm is actually 26cm.

I literally had this happen with a friend we were drinking at the party (where the maybe hookup happened) and a guy was telling her he 100% has bigger dick than her exbf and she said no wayyy and he showed it off and she said it was small

He literally grabbed a ruler and it was 18+cm dick and she was genuinely shocked HOW IS THAT 18CM??? and he asked how much did you think it was and she said 10cm. I was laughing my ass off

>>84380423
>What is arousing about it lol me talking about the fact my ex had a big dick?
Yes but also the way you described it, talked about how it made you feel etc. Seeing women talking about what pleases them with excitement turns me on. I also like it when objectify men a bit.

>>84380423
>Damn body count is 5 (maybe 6) makes me a slut wife already?
More about your attitude. You seem fun.

>>84380423
The "mald" is because foids are dishonest as fuck about it. You started out saying that it's le porn but ended up confirming that size matters not because of le porn but because of actual experience, and you even confirmed that size matters even more than men think because thickness is more volume than length. Also, don't equal female filtering to male filtering, it's so fucking retarded. Whatever preference that men have is way less significant for women. So do tits size matter? Maybe 5% as much as dick size matters. The 5 million vs 500 million comparison is so stupid, both values are way above average when the comparison is average vs above average. You still think about some dick you took 3 years ago and you'll probably think about it forever even after getting a new boyfriend unless he was an even bigger dick, so you're being dishonest about it just being some "extra" thing. Thickness in dicks is correlated with length so trying to say that length doesn't really matter but thickness does sounds kinda stupid since a thick dick like you want is way more common in lengthy dicks than in average dicks anyway.

OP post is saying that size mattering is just locker room talk but when you look into it women are in fact size queens, maybe even more than previously thought, like in your case, and it's not because of porn bullshit but because of actual experience.

>>84380560
Cope and seethe more chuddie.

>>84380316
everyone is pornbrained now smdh

this is like radioactive steel after they dropped nukes

>>84380565
>porn bad!
>trad and christcuckery good!

>>84380563
Hid your post.

>>84380572
Sad little dude with a sad little penis.

>>84380560
well when i said its "le porn" what i was talking about was the warped sense of what a big dick is that girls have not that size doesnt matter in its own.

What im talking about isnt that size doesnt matter what i mean is that most of you moids have great dicks that are plenty enough or above average even and you have probably been told by some girl that its small or you think its small because of porn and what girls say online and this whole blackpill thing when in reality its not small at all.

I mean of course if you ask some girl who only had sex with Zimbabwe exchange student D'shante who for some reason has a 26cm dick she is going to tell you that you dont compare but genuinely dont listen to those girls even us foids laugh at those girls for being retarded

>>84380445
thank you. I mean i know im not perfect but i think the only thing that stops a lot of people from being "fun" is just lying to themselves about stuff. Like for example same friend who i talked about in the post above she had this whole "i hate men" period while we were 15 and 16. Then she had a one night stand and suddenly she is chill and within a month is part of a 7 guys 2 girls friend group.

That includes being honest about sex. Both foids and moids are constantly gaslighted by onlyfans sluts and porn into thinking that guys with almost 20cm dicks are somehow small because you arent black or some bullshit like that. Just ignore it

>>84380442
I mean i dont know if talking openly about other peoples dicks is objectifying really but yeah i mean obviously a nice thick dick with lots of volume is going to be very pleasurable. Its awesome because as it goes in you kinda expect the stretching sensation to stop but it just doesnt stop and keeps going for twice as long as you expect to feel it. Thats why i say that thickness wins over bullshit length everytime in my opinion.

A pussy isnt endless in fact if you got a 25cm dick you will sooner hurt me than make me feel good

>>84380614
Have you had the opposite, an unsatisfying pencil dick? Or a long one that hit the supposed "A spot" (anterior fornix)?

>>84380614
>I mean i know im not perfect
I would suck your pussy so hard.

>>84379585
Exactly this. Even here where it's anonymous, every guy apparently has a 7 incher. And it's always specifically 7. They ALL just so happen to be right above average but not in porn dick territory. It's become like the 6 feet tall of dick sizes. Like it just so happens that almost every guy here has 7, not the average of 5 to 6 inches. They also need to stop with the "bone pressed" meme. That is not your actual dick size. If they can't admit they have an average dick size in an anonymous crab boiling forum, imagine how they are IRL.

>>84380639
It's like the concept of sex toys to please a girl is entirely alien or forbidden.

>>84380614
The actual number in inches or cm that women say doesn't matter though, that's the whole point. It doesn't matter if she says that 18cm was 10cm or says some meme size like 25cm, what matters is what she thinks when she experiences an actual dick. In your case the thick guy that you can't forget was probably like 1 inch above average in girth like 6.2-6.5 inches thick, and that was enough difference from an average guy or even a above average to the point you can't forget that dick, so clearly being average or even a bit above average is not enough in your own case as a size queen even if you're not saying you want meme sizes. It has nothing to do with le "warped sense"

>>84380142
Respectfully, one autist no woman will want to sleep with anyway doesn't have the power to change societal social dynamics through stubborness. It's really up to women and the men that sleep with them at large to make such changes but they won't

>>84380718
>6.2-6.5
One standard deviation for circumference is a lot smaller than for length. That's actually a top 0.03% girth globally on the lower end and top >0.01% on the higher end. Even using the Western average (highest setting) that's still a top 0.02% circumference willy. Also circumference has a much bigger impact on total cylindrical volume than length if you've ever studied geometry

Source: https://calcsd.info/

>>84380718
moidman please read what im saying. I told you its not about the god damn size doesnt matter thing.

Yeah my ex had a bombastic dick and he rocked my brain in bed so i still remember it and im not saying that having a spectacular dick wont do that to a bitch.

Im saying that the warped sense is that people think shit that is average or more is small and so they put up barriers BEFORE the sex happens.

Like if ur dming with a chick and you are like "yeee baby" and she goes "how big is it daddy" and you go "18cm all for you" and she goes "eww shrimpy" and blocks you. In her head she probably images a 11cm dick when you say 18 because of warped perception. If you actually met up with her you would have probably fucked her good and she would have liked it and would be happy with it but because you never GET there because this stigma makes her not want to, THAT is what im talking about.

>>84380634
Literally tell this to a girl youre hitting on. Guys are so reluctant sometimes to give head and unlike this size bullshit thats a real thing we hate. Tell a bitch you are down to play tongue warrior with her clit and you are good to go.

>>84380622
"long one that hit the bad spot"
Nah not really. As i said i think nature gave most guys perfectly regular good dicks that are just designed to fuck good and they work. Not like i have seen or been with many guys like my bodycount is 5/6.

"unsatisfying pencil dick?"
FUCK NO. This is exactly where that 5 million vs 500 million comparrison i did comes into play.

Yeah my ex was the 500 million but 5 million is also great and makes you super happy and changes your life. Same goes with dicks.

I had 1 spectacular dick which was my ex and 4 perfectly sufficient ones that felt great and were very fun and its bullshit to pretend otherwise.

>>84380780
>THAT is what im talking about
That never happens in real life. What girl actually blocks a guy for saying he's 18cm because of le porn, also at that point a guy is probably going to send a pic and it'll look big. OP was saying that women say they want big dicks but since there are a bunch of guys with average or small dicks and those girls are still dating those then it means that girls wanting huge dicks is "locker room boasting". The point is that they're still in fact size queens, it's not locker room talk, and it's not just because they tolerate some guys with average or small dicks that it means they wouldn't want a way bigger one, like you if you were to now get a boyfriend with a thin dick.

>>84380864
But i literally told you a story where the girl saw the guys dick in actual real life in in front of her eyes and she literally said its small to a big dick.

The guy literally had to pull out a ruler from somewhere and put it to his dick and she was shocked that this is 18cm because she thought it was 10.

And somehow after seeing its 18 now she was all game and good and they hooked up like half an hour later and they ended up dating for like 7 months.

This literally does happen because i seen it happen in front of my eyes. Your only point is calling me a size queen because my ex had a tree trunk dick, yeah okay he did i lucked out fuck me i guess for having a bf with a good dick

>>84379611
Lmao, I am 197cm, you are just some normalo.

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>>84380780
The best-selling female focused dildos (different from male ones) are often around picrel's size from the market research stats I've read. Most of them are only slightly above the average male size desu. Do you just like being stretched out more than the average woman does or is the "real thing" extremely different to warrant a far thicker experience being preferable?

>>84380780
Be my gf. I will suck your pussy all day any day.

>>84380760
I'm a chad. I can tell them I have a 1 picometer nano proto-dicklet and I'm so short I actually exist under the floor in the negative space and it wouldn't matter because I let my face and frame do the talking and that's what really matters at the end of the day. Linear numbers is babby-tier shit. Facial geometry and frame proportions are something harder to quantify. I don't give them numbers. I give them looks and let that do the talking.

>>84380942
The girl you're bringing up is absolutely retarded lmao. So she saw the dick and thought it was small but just because the guy put a ruler next to it and showed a number then she thought it was big? If that guy a 14cm dick he would've been cooked regardless, but he in fact had big dick and that girl was probably larping about it being small. I keep bringing up your case because you're the one talking about this "warped sense" nonsense when you are proof that porn has nothing to do with it.

>>84381004
No she isnt retarded we talked about it later and she just said that she didnt know think this was that size and that after they fucked she was like wow i was wrong this was great and they dated for a couple months so it clearly worked.

>>84380963
I think im very regular with my preferences. I mean it makes sense the most selling dildos are just... just dicks.

I know there are those insane dildos that furries have where its like a kilometer long tentacle and like i dont even know what the fk to do with that

im not 100% sure what you are asking because you worded it super weird but i think you are asking if the real thing is better than a thick dildo?

If that is what you are asking then yes absolutely. A thick dick on a dude who has good stamina and just fucks your brain out is just an amazing experience.

I think my opinions on this are pretty standard. Every girl i spoke to irl agreed that thickness is the stat that really brings the eye rolling orgasms

Like every guy i ever had sex with made me feel good and i never felt like someone is too small or anything, that is porn bullshit. But yeah my ex made me cream and squeal on his dick like nothing before or after

>>84381153
random anon passing by with a question of utmost importance: are you obese?

>>84381191
61.2kg and im very happy with it

>>84381272
that doesn't answer my question, because your height is unknown. the whole point was to understand how much of the dick is potentially lost in the hypothetical rolls of fat, if any, and how does in influence the need for overall length.
I'm not talking about the diameter, because that is obvious. And it is also a fact that female body size doesn't have a direct correlation with her tightness.

>>84380423
Female dick size preference isn't really comparable to male breast size preference. The anxiety small penis man have is that they won't be able to please a woman with it whereas the things you said are just physically attractive traits. Obviously one trait that could make you unable to have a fulfilling sex life would cause a different kind of anxiety than something like breast size

>>84379535
It's still relevant because it has an affect on how satisfied she is with you sexually. Being in a relationship is not the end of the BP you haven't won and now you forget about it, it stil governs behavior.

>>84379551
Why is every single male on 4chan literally psychologically addicted to cuck fantasies

>>84381368
It's hot. You should know this since you're a cuck.

>>84379585
my gf literally thought I was 16cm when I was 13cm. She argued with me when I told her the truth cause she didn't believe at first.

>>84381368
It's not really just 4chan it's most places online, it's kind of the natural endpoint to incel ideology really, I mean if you're already committed to considering yourself a genetically inferior failed male it's not a huge leap to then start jacking it to cuck stuff

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>>84380963
>Most of them are only slightly above the average male s...ACK!

>>84381403
What if I just like seeing her taking huge cock and being a slut?

>>84381368
your post is factually not true. I'm a straight male. I hate cucking and ntr dogshit. I hate cheating in principle. It is repulsive to me. If there are real virtues I won't compromise on in a relationship it is fidelity or marital fidelity.

>>84381405
The insertable length is literally listed on the picture herr autist.

>>84381153
Fair enough this was a very educational anecdote. Thank you for your valuable anecdote and honesty in recounting it accurately

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>>84381460
>The insertable length is literally listed on the picture herr autist.
Average male penis 5.5" is bone pressed measurement not insertable length.

>>84380316
Why do trannies love to larp like this?

>>84380569
porn is bad
doesn't matter what you say, it's bad
doesn't matter if i'm calling porn bad because demons will come through your speakers and sound your erect cock, i'm still right that it's bad
mald harder, cuck

>>84381483
That's brought down by micopenises, mild ED cases and old men who've lost stretchability, average in 18~50 men who regularly have sex is probably closer to 6~6.5"

>>84381710
>>84381710
Bones pressed 6-6.5 penis is 4.5-5" insertable dildo length (how it's measured but sex shops, to ball sack edge no press). Even if you throw out 30% men out of measurement 6.5" incertible length is still huge, top several percents of men's left. "Little cute penis" is literally porn size (talk about projection of porn expectations...)

>>84380031
>White women
FTFY

>>84381683
It isn't though you dumb puritan.

>>84381873
It is though, you retarded ape with zero self control.

>>84381381
It is not hot. It is gross and submissive behavior.
>>84381403
Entirely correct.
>>84381436
Then I'm not talking about you, am I? See >>84381403

>>84381939
>Then I'm not talking about you, am I? See >>84381403
Genuine retard right here. Define the word "every" please. NTA and somehow also not a cuck which is crazy what a coincidence.

>>84381924
>muh monk life
how cringe

>>84381949
Exaggeration is the act of representing something as greater, better, worse, or more intense than it actually is, often used for emphasis, humor, or dramatic effect. It involves overstating the truth or magnifying facts beyond their actual limits. Synonyms include hyperbole, overstatement, embellishment, magnification, and amplification.
>>84381971
What? I'm not a monk. I just don't debase and cuck myself by masturbating to porn. Y'know, like a normal person.

>>84379535
Looks matter more, this is a load of bs, they will want average sized Chad over big subhuman and most people are average making it meaningless. Even micropenis Chad can get a relationship while the 8 inch subhuman will not even have a chance to be allowed to go through the door.

>>84381939
>Then I'm not talking about you, am I? See
You kind of are. because you said
>>84381368
>Why is every single male on 4chan
factually untrue. See?
Now, you might think, that I'm being a turbo autismo by having this kind of meta level conversation with you. But, no. I'm helping you. I'm serious. Fine-tuning the way of expressing yourself, the rherotic, will make your future statemetns bulletproof. It doesn't cost you anything to change
>every single male
which is factually untrue (again), to something like
>vast majority
>plenty of
>seems to me like almost everybody
>almost all of them
Such a slight change, but it will level you up as a conversalionist, speaker, debater, whatever. Pretty much all of us have been there and have learned to adjust our way of talking in order to make our speech much harder to question and criticise.

TL;DR: No tone police, just a little advice.

>>84381989
>cuck myself by masturbating to porn
The word cuck doesn't mean anything anymore.
>like a normal person
Except normal people do indeed view porn you stupid chud.

>>84382018
>Now, you might think, that I'm being a turbo autismo by having this kind of meta level conversation with you
You are.

>>84382025
By watching porn, you are literally just sitting in the chair watching two people have sex, while being wholly uninvolved; even further removed, because neither of them know you are there. You weren't even invited, or desired in any capacity. Ultimate form of cuckoldry.
Normal people should stop viewing porn. It's disgusting. Just have sex.

>>84382050
>By watching porn, you are literally just sitting in the chair watching two people have sex
nta. this is factually untrue either. porn by the defitnion is the depiciton of genitalia, a step above erotic, but it doesn't have to be a depiction of sexual intercourse between people.
A close up of a solo female masturbating or playing with titties is porn, but it has no males and no dicks in it. Same for joi and whatever other kind of stuff folks are into. Photosets, solo hentai, solo drawn, even your personal sexual larp with an LLM are not cuckery.
What you refer to is typically called hardcore porn. At least it used to be.

TL;DR: No. Porn doesn't automatically equal cuckery.

>>84382050
>have sex
I don't want a gf or kids though.