>Communism failedHow do I cope with this?
all systems are doomed to failure as long as we are human
picture is bullshit. i did my best to get a job and was rejected. if the line is empty, it's because the door is fake. there should also be a "work hard, get nothing" door.
The fact that there are retards still afraid of communism, which failed permanently a long time ago, is funny.Thaaats right fAGAt, everything bad is communists fault.
>>84398127China is kicking America's ass in every way that matters and is a one party system run by a communist government. A true dictatorship of the proletariat. It has many issues and characteristics I disagree with, but to say it failed is to deny objective reality.
>>84398149You're retarded if you think that leftists aren't just commies
>>84398149Who would be cleaning and maintaining toilets and sewers under communism?Personally I would be philosopher under communism.
>>84398165China canceled communism in 1979 disbanding kolkhozes.
>>84398165China isn't communist.Communism is North Korea and the Soviet Union.Every shitty dictatorship and African country with a capitalist economy isn't representative of capitalism btw.That's just how it works.
>>84398220>>84398212Communism is not a system but a movement that develops through history. Marx never even completed his writings on what his ideal political system would look like. To say communism failed or something or other isn't "real communism" is a misunderstanding of Marxist philosophy. Communism as it exists today is China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, and North Korea.
>>84398212No they didnt. Anyone willing to open a book about socialism with Chinese characteristics can have Chinese communism explained to them. They have a market based socialism and allow very tightly regulated concentrations of wealth if they think it will improve living standards. which seems to be delivering a high standard of living for the Chinese.
>>84398228>>84398233Sorry sweeties, but replacing for 80% population economic basis from communal farm working to fullfil central planned government order to family farm working to sell on free market is cancelling communism.Communism is communal work and it was literally canceled. No kolkhoz no communism. Ask any Stalinists was he right to collectivise agriculture.
There has hardly been a more successful psyop in history, than how the bourgeoisie turned the exploited working class against themselves.
>communism failed>looks inside>there exists dozens if not hundreds if not even thousands of "communes" throughout the worldcommunism can only function in literal perfect trust societies where everyone knows that everyone elses interests are aligned, or at the very least aren't harming another's. That's why communes usually have such a small population, and that's why I think there are probably a lot of undocumented communes throughout the world which are just small tribes or communities surviving isolated.
>>84398510It failed because people want the materialistic luxurious style communisn not that indigenous primitive communism.
>>84398564the funniest part is thatfully automated gay space communism is totally achievable with modern technology, its just that the people who have the power to do so ontologically hate anyone beneath them.
>>84398586>the funniest part is thatfully automated gay space communism is totally achievable with modern technology,Why don't you built your own commune with space age communism and hookers?
communism "failed" simply means the elites took controll of our coutnries again. we will get them back, the question is in what fucking shape. things have to get really bad (again) until normies finally get up from their asses.
>>84398207Do you see a lot of first worlders going for a sewer maintenance engineering degree or what?
>>84398228Those countries are capitalist, plain and shrimple
>>84398636did you not read the second half of my post?i think that with nuclear energy humanity basically discovered a cheat code, but because of how powerful the energy industry is and how it would run literally everybody out of business there are strong pushes against nuclear, almost all of them being astroturfed.with enough nuclear power we would have no issue refining salt water into drinkable water, which would allow for not only there to be no shortage of water for everyone, but also limitless irrigation opportunities anywhere that has salt water access. with the advancements in hydroponics we could easily end world hunger (implying that this isnt something we cant already do without this lole) and no longer have to worry about meat consumption.i could probably go on and on about how with this science could specifically pivot to things that are bottlenecking us but it would be a tiresome and hypothetical rant.
>>84398680Yes, you are wildly ignorant what all that infrastructure would cost in energy use and materials. Nothing new under the sun.
>>84398680You already can buy solar panels and desalination stations from China that will produce cheaper water than nuclear powered desalination.>with the advancements in hydroponicsYou can already use hydroponics at home and not only for weed, duuude.So stop whining and start building your own commie commune.
>>84398706>start building your own commie commune.Or you can get a job and use money.
Funny because under capitalism you work hard and the shareholders reap the profits derived from your labor. Under socialism, which literally just means worker ownership of means of production, the profits go directly to the workers.
>>84398764 Funny thing that according to commie theory capitalist enterprise can't compete with worker co-op on la labor market because co-op pays added value to workers. Nevertheless we don't see workers co-op achieving anything.
>>84398780That's because they are not as aggressive or exploitative.
>>84398780Hundreds of thousands of Americans work for successfully employee-owned companies: https://www.nceo.org/research/employee-ownership-100-largest-employee-owned-companies But our culture, education, elected leaders, and corporate code shove capitalism down our throat so hard that of course we don't have nationwide socialism.
>>84398813Point is why don't they capture entire market capitalist can't win competition by design.And why do you personally don't work in the workers co-op.
>>84398827Huh? Your argument is that if worker-owned businesses were successful they'd monopolize their respective markets? Also I work for a nonprofit organization.
>>84398165China isn't communism.
>>84398880>Your argument is that if worker-owned businesses were successful they'd monopolize their respective markets?That is the point.There is no reason for worker work for capitalist when workers co-ops exist so co-ops automatically win employment market and capitalist simply will have no workers to hire.Checkmate capitalism!
>>84398149My effective taxes are over 40% here (not America).
>>84399087In Russia effective salary tax is 55% (including VAT)...1800 rubles paid by client and used as salary.In the end worker gets 1000 rubles of goods from this sum and 800 rubels would be paid as taxes ...
>>84398207>Under a real communist society, I would be a therapist or librarian. Or a day care worker, I love kids!
>>84398207You will work in bauxite mine.
When you talk to a communist they can't even comprehend that people aren't motivated by working for others sake. They treat it as a symptom of capitalism and just brush it off as a non serious issue.
>>84398207cute how you think you get to pick what job you want under communism. To each according to ability. You will be tested, and when people determine your uselessness, you will be sent to the gulag.
>>84399077You're argument assumes existing coops have infinite jobs. They don't.
There should be a third hidden door for Jews who control everything
>>84398207Wouldn't cleaning toilets be paid the same as everyone else under communism
>>84399221If jobs are just exploiting someone's surplus value, why wouldn't more employees = more profit?
>>84398233>>84398228>ameriturds with their blackrock owned government think having regulations is communism
>>84398127Good riddance, the labour theory of value is bullshit, antihuman to be honest. Socialism still won though and forced capitalism to adopt socialist principles to avoid comminist victory. Where do you think ideas like minimum wage, state welfare and unemployment insurance came from? Communists failed because of their inability to adopt capitalist values faster than capitalist ls could integrate communist ideas but if China is any indication the end result would likely be the same. In the end, ideologies are just that extremes the most effective economy has never been ideological but mercenary. Ideas don't matter. What works matters
Just reading this thread full of misconceptions about Communism makes me so happy the US is dying. You stupid americans deserve everything.
>>84398165>China is kicking America's ass in every way that mattersExcept income and quality of life, which are the only things that matter. Reminder that the gap in income between the median American and the median Chinese is actually INCREASING with time.
>>84399331labour theory of value is only anti-human if you think being human is being sociopathic or individualistic like liberals do. And isn't it contradictory that we must live under a dehumanizing system like capitalism to cater to sociopathy, the literal opposite of civilization?People who don't wanna work are simply sociopaths and parasites, since working is just participating in your own species. It's just to reject shit work conditions, though.
>>84398127Incledilble that every modern socialistic blue hair cuck thinks they all will be doing intelectual work when it will be a privileged minority, that nobody will be slaving at the factories and fields to keep the system afloat while most will actually be, having no choice in the matter and who refuses to work gets gulaged anyway.
fascism died in 1945communism died in 1991the only communist states left all are communist in name only, they practice some light or hard forms of capitalism, like china who are basically authoritarian capitalists i think we need to come up with new ideologies that face 21st century problems, not repeat the past or try and revive the deadI think the two main philosophers of the future are nick land and ludwig klages. land representing the anti human AI future, and klages representing a life affirming biocentrism that puts nature first
>>84399624Modern China is facist.
>>84399331>minimum wageNot really all that socialist, if anything its the opposite when you view todays labour market and how it makes people literal slaves to billionaires>state welfareliterally existed centuries if not millennium before marx was born>unemployment insurancereally just falls under state welfareif anything, reagans retarded pivot to hyperderegulation gave america the last extra bit of gas needed to win the race, but shortly after the car exploded. >>84399624land's future would be nightmarish though i still think he's correct on accelerationism to an extent. places with politics like the usa or canada need something to break them free from a 2 party state>inb4 muh ndp and bqbarely relevant, ndp just sucks liberal dick and bq fucks off to do their own thing while bitching and moaning the entire time unless quebec gets some massive benefit from a law.
>>84398127>Any system works perfectly as long as its participants are a cohesive group of Europeans with European leaders. No system works at all when this is not the case or when the leadership is Jewish>China is extremely capitalist. USA/Europe is EXTREMELY socialist.>Taxation is very obviously pure evil and morally reprehensible and anyone in favor of it should rightfully be shot in the head
>>84399687what if both the leadership and people are jewishdoes it work then or do they just try to out-jew each other
>>84399624I feel like Dugin should be given props for basically predicting the future with his ideas on a multipolar world emerging and those poles being based on civilization-states like the Sinosphere, Europe, Eurasia, the Islamic World, etcetera. I also think professor Jiang is pretty prescient with these things but I haven't watched a ton of his stuff.
>>84399659the main conflict of modernity is between machine and nature we will either be swallowed by the machine and become the undead or embrace life and nature
>>84399717it's naive to think that AI will be antagonistic to human nature rather than being an extension of it. Machine and nature, natural and artificial, those are all false dichotomies.
>>84399723AI will either be used to control people or it will kill us all
>>84399746you have no proof for that other than delusions and american propaganda (Skynet).AI is just human intelligence without biological energy constraints.It's just that such AI is the final goal of the project, and what we currently have are just big-ass databases with no values or effect on reality other than therapy counseling for normies - of course, those limitations are due to capitalism.Either capitalism will collapse because AI's erratic nature will fuck up bank systems they're integrated to, or it'll require a socialist revolution which culminates into communism. In either case, the final product is a perfect synthesis of AI intelligence and human nature, such that our biological limitations are overcome without surrendering to rigidity and undeath
>>84398127It succeeded in destroying goyim states for the rest of time
>>84399696It does not work as proven by 2000+ years of history, no Jewish nation has lasted longer than 80 years because their mode of survival is parasitizing off of others combined with slavery.
>>84399786Just reminder for communists that robots would not free humans from labor.Commie sliga is "who doesn't work shall not eat". If robots will do all labor then people ar destined to die under communism.
>>84399947>Commie sliga is "who doesn't work shall not eatactually, it's one country's constitution ammendment, the USSR, and it was there due to how socialism must operate under the pressuposition of a capitalist outer competition, and in a time were technology wasn't enough to replace all labor.Under global communism with AI, there would be no such thing as salaries because the mode of production will have changed.
>>84398127Perfect jew religion.Are you a fucking kike?
>>84400085Explain away, how is it jewish?
>>84398165>fascism works better than letting women and niggers voteyeah no shit anon
>another day>another leftypol raid from the bunkertroon to shill goymunism I hope you're getting paid, at least.
>>84400045It's also core tenet of Marxism.Added value belongs to it's supposed creator.It's it robot who created added value, oops, no added value for you.
>>84400156This is the NEET board. Not far from socialism.
