>Are trans women womenYeah, "woman" is a social role. Not all females are women, some are girls. >Are trans women female?50%. idk why this is controversial. Sex isn't black and white. >Should they use the women's bathroom?90% of "trans people" harassed in bathrooms are butch females. It's government overreach dictating how you should look to take a piss somewhere.>SportsThe one thing I mostly agree with transphobes on however again strength levels aren't black and white. it should really be on a case-by case basis. There is also the factor that some sports are non-competitive and the females may not even care. Just let them make their own rules instead of sticking in big government nose. >Kidsit's a health condition, not a lifestyle choice. Government should stay out of parents and doctors business. >Pronounsit's polite to use it, it's polite to not demand it, why is government involved in this? Do you see the common theme here? Government overreach. Why do you hate freedom?
>>84403537ten thousand years of human history until 20 years ago disagrees with you
>>84403537Trans women are men only biological females can be women
>>84403537You mention government a lot but this isn't a strictly governmental topic. Whatever statements we make about how we've ought to organize our society when it comes to transgender issues can just as well apply to businesses who are given the freedom to decide on these things. If your main issue is government overreach then you can not really complain when businesses decide to pursue policies that are "anti-transgender."
>>84403537>Sex isn't black and white.The karyotypic sex of an individual is determined by chromosomes, XY or XX. It quite literally is black and white. 1 and 2. >inb4 muh intersexThese are disorders. They are medically classified as such. There are no other sexes. There are only two. When people use the word "gender", a fantastical concept to make things murky in-order to push agendas, unless they've been indoctrinated like you have, they are unilaterally referring to sex and not the "social place" of a woman in society. Troons are not women.>Yeah, "woman" is a social role. Not all females are women, some are girls.You are trying to split hairs over meaningless dogma and terms when the abject reality of the situation is undeniable. >it's a health condition, not a lifestyle choice. Government should stay out of parents and doctors business.It is undeniably a lifestyle choice. The parents who trans their kids are never well-adjusted people. You do not get to permanently alter the hormones of your child and call it a "health condition", why do you think trannies kill themselves so much especially after their "reaffirming" surgery? You can't extinguish a fire with a flamethrower. Chasing an unobtainable goal will drive you insane. That's what being transgender is. The technology isn't there, butchering an axe-wound into the anus of a man and putting a wig on them and injecting them full of hormones does NOT make you a woman. Troon.>Do you see the common theme here? Government overreach. Why do you hate freedom?Terrible appeal to conservative fears of government. You are still blatantly denying reality.
>>84403581Trans people have been present in plenty of other cultures throughout history.
>>84403618>my neolithic era axe-wound means I am... LE WOMAN
>>84403612>The karyotypic sex of an individual is determined by chromosomes, XY or XX. Or XXY it is literally not black and white>These are disorders. They are medically classified as such.And? That doesn't make everyone magically either XX or XY
>>84403642>And? That doesn't make everyone magically either XX or XY>Or XXY it is literally not black and whiteAre you retarded? No, really. Are you retarded? 99% of the human population has XY or XX. There is no between, there is no magic, this is just biology. You might not like it, but that's how the world works. Extremely rare genetic defects dictate do not dictate a norm. I really feel bad for you, there's probably a bright mind under all that indoctrination.
>>84403665I can acknowledge that XXY chromosomes exist. You literally have to deny reality to make your argument work. You have to pretend it doesn't exist. In what world could you possibly be the one in the right when you're the one who's denying biological reality?
>>84403672The only one denying biology is you. Notice how I mentioned intersex people in my original post? Notice how you didn't? You're grasping as straws and trying to make a gotcha here but at the end of the day all you're doing is using a fringe minority group to push an agenda. Pretty typical for leftists.
>>84403537>"woman" is a social role. Not all females are women, some are girls.this is all nonsense. only someone who's divorced from reality and willfully ignorant could believe this.
>>84403679Are people with XXY chromosomes not intersex?
>>84403665you can bust him by saying that "maleness is determined by the presence or absence of the Y chromosome. nothing else is relevant. males with nonfunctional Y chromosomes are just defective males who's secondary sex characteristics failed to develop, but they are not female and can never produce viable eggs."
>>84403690they are not. XXYs are males with a few issues. XXXYs are also males with issues.
>>84403537>Kids >It's a health condition Back when I was a kid I wanted to be a dinosaur, so by your logic doctors should have gene spliced me at age 7 .God you're fucking retarded
>>84403697They're not XY though
>>84403537Transsexuality being pushed as a divisive social issue is everybody pushing against the middle. It's a non-issue. Transsexuals make me sad and a little uncomfortable the same way that schizophrenics do. There is also a massive correlation between transsexuality and autism, and it is probably a social condition that spreads from focal points, at least in girls. It has been a while but I am pretty sure that identifying as trans or non-binary in teenage girls massively spiked in the 2010s and early 2020s and has massively fallen off again.Anyway, it doesn't really matter and it being pushed to the forefront is in the interests of special interest groups and departments. Epstein was obsessed with transsexuals, for instance.
>>84403690When did I say they weren't, you retard? Do you see how the first mention of the word "INTERSEX" in this thread is by me, not you? That you only bring it up when it's a convenient political tool, something to argue with? You don't care about these people, you just want to use them for brownie points and half-assed gotcha attempts. The fact of the matter is that despite their medical condition, which it is, classified as a disorder, the sex of an intersex person is determined by their underlying biology, not by creating a new sex category.>AISXY individuals who don't respond to male hormones. Biologically male.>KlinefelterXXY individuals. Biologically male.>TurnerXO individuals missing an X. Biologically female.>CAS XX individuals with excess androgen exposure. Biologically female.You don't even understand the science you try and use to push your agenda. Open a medical textbook you drooling retard.
>>84403711I was replying to this post >>84403679 >Notice how I mentioned intersex people in my original post? Notice how you didn't?
>>84403717Both are my posts, not sure what you're trying to communicate here?
>>84403720If men are XY and only XY can be a man then how can XXY be a man they have an extra X which should disqualify them from being men
what do i, a troon, have to do to make people leave me in peace, like what is the standard in 2026, it seems like the goalpost is constantly shifting
>>84403612>>84403692Sex is composed of primary and secondary characteristics. Primary is producing sperm or eggs. Secondary is having a vagina or penis. Chromosomes merely instruct the body on what sex to develop.
>>84403723The presence of a functional Y chromosome, specifically the SRY gene, is what initiates male development. The presence of the Y chromosome and its function is what matters biologically, even when other genetic anomalies are present.
>>84403697Heh. XXXY. Do they do porn with those guys? Cal it XXXYXXX.XXX haha.
>>84403728show us an XX human with a penis and testes. the presence or absence of the Y chromosome is the only factor that matters. nothing else is relevant.>>84403707 ^
>>84403730No that only works when 2 chromosomes are involved. You see 3 chromosomes are different from 2 chromosomes
>>84403728This is completely backwards. Vagina and penis are primary sex characteristics. Primary sex characteristics are the reproductive organs themselves, gamete production is a function of these organs.>Chromosomes merely instruct the body on what sex to developChromosomes are the biological basis of sex.>>84403739In XXY individuals, the Y chromosome is present and functional. Having an extra X doesn't disable the Y's function. Biological systems don't work by chromosome counting, they're based on the functional genes that are present and active. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>84403753I have a very simple question is 2 different from 3?
>>84403537>not a lifestyle choiceIt is 100% a lifestyle choice and social contagion for a very large proportion of the people effected. This is apparent just by looking at how insanely popular it's gotten in the last ten years; if it were an innate biological thing, you would expect to see a low steady number of them going back forever, even when homosexuality was socially unacceptable, we knew they existed. Transexuality is just self-induced mental illness for the 99% of people who don't actually have something wrong with them like a chromosomal abnormality, and even then, if someone wanted to cut off any part of their body other than their dick/tits, people would recommend any other course of action. Can you imagine a schizophrenic getting surgery to remove his arms because the jews planted listening devices inside them? But if it's a little boy who wants his dick lopped off or a girl who wants her tits gone because they felt uncomfortable with their bodies during puberty (apparently this never ever happens to normal people and isn't something you get over, you NEED permanent life altering surgery), then that's that and you're a pharmaphobic nazi fascist who kicks puppies if you disagree. Fuck you.
>>84403771>trying to force a yes/no answer to vindicate your delusions because you don't understand biology Only someone who failed high school biology would think chromosome counting determines sex.
>>84403783So if 2 and 3 are not the same then XY and XXY can't be the same thing because in one of them there's 2 and in the other there's 3Like they're not the same. You have to pretend they are the same to make your argument make sense but you're obviously only pretending, what you're saying doesn't make sense in reality
>>84403789You're confusing 'different' with 'functionally different in a way that changes the fundamental category.' A car with a passenger seat and a car with three passenger seats are still both cars. A deliberate oversimplification.
>>84403809But they have an extra X which is exclusive to women. Only women can have two X chromosomes
See, you're just stating falsities as if they are truths, and decorating lies to look like the truth does not make it the truth, just as dressing up a man doesn't make him a woman.
>>84403735I am just pointing out that sex is not defined by chromosomes but by bodily appearance and function. If you can find another reputable definition and post it here I'm all ears.
>>84403818The determining factor for typical female development is the absence of a Y chromosome, not just the presence of two Xs. You're actually working against your own argument by saying only women can have two XX chromosomes. Based!
>>84403843If you need two X chromosomes, well you have that in XXY so they should be women because they have those 2
>>84403833"reputable" people told us young, healthy people needed the coronavirus vaccine or we'd die.bodily appearance and function are dictated by chromosomes. nobody has a Y chromosome and produces functional eggs. nobody has no Y chromosome and produces functional sperm. the presence or absence of the Y chromosome is the determinant factor. there are no other factors.
>>84403845What part of "the determining factor for typical female development is the absence of a Y chromosome" do you not understand? You must be trolling.
>>84403854I think you're oversimplifying it.
>>84403858>"oversimplifying">it's just biologyGod help you.
>>84403753"The primary distinction of sex resides in the essential organs of reproduction (q.v.). An organism that contains the germinal tissue or mass of tissue known as the testis, and producing the sexual cells known as spermatozoa, is a male; an organism containing the tissue which produces ova is known as a female;""Associated with the presence of the primary reproductive organs there may be a large number of other characters, and attempts have been made to classify these as secondary and tertiary sexual characters. It is impossible to define a series of logical categories in which any accessory character will find its inevitable place"- 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica
>>84403867See actually it's like black and white women have XX and men have XY anything else just doesn't count because it doesn't suit my argument
>>84403776>This is apparent just by looking at how insanely popular it's gotten in the last ten years
>>84403873>being sardonic because you don't understand biology>>84403868This is the definition of sex. How sex shows up in the body and the definition are two different things. Terrible attempt at a gotcha.
>>84403873>See actually it's like black and white women have XX and men have XYCORRECT!>anything else just doesn't count because it doesn't suit my argumentNo, they don't count because they're medically classified as extremely rare disorders, and the people who suffer from them still have determined sex based on the active genes in their body. Retard.
>>84403879I understand biology just fine XX is female and XY is male and the the rest is just diseases idk why you're even trying to argue with me about it they don't even count
how many yearshow many more years before all this talk ends.
>>84403883I am impressed at how far you've come from shifting the goalpost.
>>84403881>people who suffer from them still have determined sex based on the active genes in their bodyNo they don't fit the XX and XY scheme you need to fit into the XX or XY
>>84403888Pick one do the triple chromosomes count or not?
>>84403876Are you guys categorically incapable of arguing in good faith?>>84403897Only when it would benfit his argument.
>>84403897The determining factor for female development is the absence of a Y chromosome, not just the presence of two Xs. Science does not determine gender by chromosome counting. You must be desperate for attention or something, I've repeated myself a dozen times already. There's nothing more that will make you understand this besides a bullet.>do the triple chromosomes count or not?No, not in the way that you think they do. Sorry. That's just reality.
>>84403919>The determining factor for female development is the absence of a Y chromosome,No no no it is simply black and white XX or XY ONLY!
>>84403916>Are you guys categorically incapable of arguing in good faith?This is the same person who said "And? That doesn't make everyone magically either XX or XY", there was no good faith from the start, they're just a retarded troon trying to push gender ideology.
>>84403923>No no no it is simply black and white XX or XY ONLY!Notice how you're the only one saying this. You are fighting an invented argument that nobody said because you've lost the plot. Bravo anon.
>>84403928No it was this post >>84403612 that said it.
>>84403888seiba best girl of all time
>>84403938>seiba best girl of all timeAm I nothing to you?
>>84403934XY and XX are the only ones that matter. That doesn't mean there aren't other variations out there. I mentioned intersex people in my original post. You are being intellectually dishonest by framing it like I didn't by saying "XX or XX only", you refuse to look at this with nuance because nuance destroys your gender ideology. At the end of the day it is black and white, but not in the way you think, because regardless if you have 3 chromosomes, your sex is determined by the ones that are active. This is the fundamental that you refuse to understand.
>>84403879Your whole argument was that sex was defined by chromosomes. >How sex shows up in the body and the definition are two different things???
>>84403949nothing compared to seiba
>>84403618Trans people in history were not claiming to change their gender or their sex, they just wanted to live like the opposite sex, and everyone in history in every culture knew what a man and a woman and the rare exceptions were defined by. 20 years ago these retards claimed sex and gender are now suddenly different, and that you can switch your gender any time you want. Now in the last 5 years the young retards are saying you can just switch your biological sex any time you want. People have access to more information than ever, but they dont even understand that the physical world has constant properties. In 5 years you can convince half of gen alpha to jump off a cliff thinking they can fly
>>84403952>XY and XX are the only ones that matter.Yes so it's not the absence of the Y chromosome just the presence of the extra X chromosome
>>84403916Explain what part of the meme photo argument is wrong?
>>84403537Rightoids only claim to like "freedom" when it's their freedom to do asinine racist shit; they're fully ZOGed for big daddy government, otherwise.
>>84403958trans people always have gone by the pronouns and name of their new gender though and asked others to respect that.
>>84403954There's nothing inaccurate about this statement. Sex IS defined by chromosomes, not the organs, because the organs are downstream from the chromosomes. They would never form without them. Do you see the nuance? You just don't like it, you're inventing a problem where there is none. The modern understanding of chromosomes and the 1911 definition are two different things.
>>84403952>At the end of the day it is black and white,>but it is not black and white because sometimes people have 3 chromosomes instead of 2
>>84403876Is your argument that gay people can just be taught to be straight with no negative consequences?
>>84403973It is black and white because the chromosomes affect sex development in the same way regardless of the amount you have. It is entirely dependent on which ones are active, not how many you have. You refuse to understand on purpose.
>>84403970They completely understood that they were just dressing and acting like the opposite gender, not changing anything about their own gender or sex.
>>84403952>XY and XX are the only ones that matter.>You are being intellectually dishonest by framing it like I didn't by saying "XX or XX only",In your own fucking wordsYou said >XY and XX are the only ones that matter.How the fuck am I framing you dishonesty when you're literally saying XY and XX are the only ones that matter word for word
>>84403958It's actually the opposite. For years it was known as "transsexualism" and a "sex change". it was leftists who recently pushed for that concept to be dropped and it to be renamed "gender reassignment". unfortunately it backfired on them for now the concept isn't taken seriously at all.
>>84403989I am talking about these chromosomes individually. They are the only ones that matter because when they are active (or not) they are what determines sex. You are being obtuse on purpose.
>>84403984>They completely understood that they were just dressing and acting like the opposite gender, not changing anything about their own gender or sex.i mean srs is 100 years old what time period are you referring to?
>>84403978The only time that inactive shit comes into play is for the rare 1% diseases but you're also claiming that this rare 1% doesn't count when it comes to determining sex
>>84403992You can't use chromosomes being inactive for your argument because 99% of people have no more or less than 2 active chromosomes
>>84403998It doesn't. Maleness is determined by the presence or absence of the Y chromosome. Nothing else is relevant. males with nonfunctional Y chromosomes are just defective males who's secondary sex characteristics failed to develop. They are not female and can never produce viable eggs. You also believe that this doesn't make the rest of the population "magically XX or XY", when it very much does.Good luck trying to unlearn all of this bullshit that has been put into your head. It's not doing you any favors.
>>84403957[laser noises]
>>84404009Well if that 1% doesn't matter then you can't use the quirks of that 1% to say it's about inactive chromosomes
>>84404006You are starting to understand, yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. They're using a minority as a denominator to define a third sex. You see the issue. I'm glad.
>>84404015It doesn't matter in the sense that you can use it to create a new sex. It does matter in the sense that these are genes and them being active or not has an impact on ones sexual development. Please stop being retarded.
>>84404022>>84404017They fall out of the norm you can't use them for your definitions according to you
>>84404013EKUSUCARIBA!!!!!!
>>84404029You are confusing a scientific definition and a gender ideology one. I am sorry for your loss.
>>84403972I just posted a definition that expressly said it was defined by organs and their function. I specifically chose the 1911 encyclopaedia because you'd probably argue that wikipedia was woke or something. Now you'e arguing that you only believe the modern definition. Very well, here is the current Britannia definition>Primary sex denotes the capacity of the reproductive gland, or gonad, to produce either sperm cells or eggs or both>>84403974If by "taught to be straight" you mean "forced to hide it" then yes.
>>84403990The transexual shit was the reason they split up gender and sex in the first place. They wanted to have a gender identity concept and gender ideology that was independent of biological reality and objective consensus. Now were at a point where biological males claim that they can get pregnant naturally and equally as females, they dont even care.You can call yourself homosexual if you love pussy and tits but just assume that pussy is a male thing
>>84404017You're using a minority to define it by saying it's the absence of the Y chromosome. It's not the absence it's XX or XY only
>>84404038>not understanding where sexual organs come fromngmi
>>84404035What's the scientific definition now XX or XY or the absence of the Y chromosome like the retard from earlier was trying to claim?
>>84404040>angry tranny repeating xerself attempting to gotcha>>84404055Maleness is determined by the presence or absence of the Y chromosome, nothing else is relevant. You are trying to twist a definition on purpose. We can all see what you're doing.
>>84404038They dont need to hide anything, you are saying they can just be taught to be straight, just like handedness. My dad cant write well with his left hand anymore. Like what youre saying, preferences in lifestyle can always just be retaught and selected, especially if the lifestyle choice is objectively better
>>84404061The only this absence matters is when there's more or less than 2 chromosomes. If you don't like edge cases (you don't) then it makes no sense for you to not define it as XX or XY
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of natures perfection.All the validation you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your "friends" laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who "pass" look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he'll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it's going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it'll be too much to bear - you'll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They'll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back. It's over for you.
>>84404078>Doesn't even have the balls to (You) me directly with it
>>84404071>The only thisESL garble. Humans require 23 pairs. The definition of sex chromosomes as XX (female) and XY (male) is not an avoidance of edge cases but reflects the functional necessity of specific genetic dosages. .>>84404085>self reportIt wasn't directed at anyone in particular. GEG
>>84404039It's one of those cases where both sides are retarded. "biological reality" and "muh chromosomes" are as much of an ideology as "10^63 genders" and "penises can be female". This argument should have ended as soon as I posted theofficial definitions of sex that do not include either of these extreme positions but as my 1984 World Book encyclopaedia entry on "Ideology" says>Ideologies do not rely equally on factual information in supporting their beliefs>People who accept an entire thought system usually reject all other systems>Thus, people strongly comitted to an ideology have difficulty communicating with supporters of a conflicting ideology
>>84404089>chopping your cock off and deforming your child with life altering hormones is OK because the 1984 definition says so, alright chud?
>>84404088I forgot to type the word time. It's meant to say the only time. You should've been able to guess that
>>84404102>you should've been able to guess th-AACCCCCCCCK!
>>84404114You not being able to is only a display of your stupidity
>>84404121Sorry xir... I'm just magically one of the 99% XY or XX folks out there...
>>84404065Either you believe he is no-longer left handed therefore ones physical expression trumps their genetic code or you believe his is still left-handed in which case he was "taught" nothing except to hide it. Pick one.
>>84404132So if you only need XX chromosomes to be a woman is XXY a man or woman now?
>>84404155Refer to >>84403711 instead of theorycrafting, troon.
>>84404094Well the chud argument is that it's a modern trend. I give definitions from even 100 years ago and it's "outdated". So please post your chud approved (TM) source of your beliefs.
>>84404161I already replied to that
>>84403537I agree with all your points. I feel like this just makes us enemies of everyone else, because 90% of people on both sides of the western political spectrum are in lockstep, at one extreme or the other, over this issue.
>>84404161That's literally the absence of the Y chromosome dumbass
>>84404170The definition you're using was made for fruit flies not people. Kek
>>84404180Great, we're on the same page. HRT overdose or were you just chimping out for attention?
how it feels to be the only straight red blooded male in a thread full of bickering semantic troons
>>84404187No we're not you're still wrong
>>84404194>you're still wrong because dr basedberg said I'm le real woman, OKAY?
>>84403690They are male. It's called Klinefelter syndrome, also they are not considered intersex as they have male genitalia, though they have underdeveloped testicles
>>84404199It's less about the intersex and more about the chromosomes>>84404198Yeah? You just started doing this instead of at least trying to prove me wrong
>>84404182That's not true but even if so why would chromosome definitions only apply to humans? That makes no sense. >>84404175Yes unfortunately it's turned into a war between extremists. Nice to know that there are still other level-headed people out there.
>>84404205>Yeah? You just started doing this instead of at least trying to prove me wrongGEEEEEEEEEGSorry, there's really no arguing with someone who believes "magic" is responsible for 99% of people being XY or XX. You're a lost cause, tranny.
>>84404089Both sides have retarded people arguing in a retarded way. Biological reality is not an ideology, gender ideology is. Observing male female sexual dimorphism is centered around language, causality, and mapping of human nature to something we can consciously understand and reflect on. Men dont, in fact, reproduce with other men, and even if you cyberborg a man to have a uterus, or complain about infertile women, you are conceding that a man is not a woman, and an infertile woman is not normal or of the normal age to have kids. Gender ideology is centered around making gay people feel good and prevent them from harming themselves, shrimple as. There have been much crazier ideologies.
>>84404208>that's not tru-AAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
>>84404211Every time you don't even try to argue about it it's like you're saying "yes you're correct about everything and I have nothing to say"
>>84404199>sex is dertermined by XY or XX>It is not determined by genitals>Okay what about XXY?>They are male because they have male genitals???
>>84404222>tranny affirming their own delusionsI couldn't have mocked you better than you're doing right now GEG
In a river of axe wound blood... only the chud remains.
>>84404231Notice how that has nothing to do with chromosomes anymore?
>>84404205It had been years I have read about it, I saw in high schoolin a textbook and they had for Turner syndrome and another chromosomal issues that weren't sex related like Patau syndrome and Down syndrome and they had a picture of a male with Klinefelter and female with Turner. Both looked their respective sex. Idk why troons are using them and black women as a gotcha. You don't use deviance for definitions
>>84404244So it's not about the chromosomes just what they look like?
>>84404243Yours are XY, troon.
>>84404243DNA in general doesnt do anything. A human can have all the same chromosomes and DNA as a virus and it wouldnt matter. Im nonbinary btw
>>84404230Are you trying to deflect? They are born with the genitals expected of their sex and their chromosomes, so they are not intersex
>>84404215The only argument I ever made here was that sex is defined by reproductive ability, Now you are literally agreeing with me on this.
>>84404260You are retarded, retard
>>84404265>sex is defined by reproductive abilityBy this logic menopause women aren't women.
>>84404271Same troon that thinks being mocked means "yes you're correct about everything and I have nothing to say", no wonder you convinced yourself you're a woman, GEG
>>84404256>chromosomal disorders are not about chromosomesWhat
>>84404244>Both looked their respective sex.You've spent the whole thread arguing that appearance doesn't matter and what defines it is only the chromosomes though.
>>84404275>men can have menopause too!Huh? Explain yourself
>>84404256You are arguing in bad faith. Imo, being a male should be defined by having a single Y or more chromosome so retards like you don't try to use this bullshit or anomalies. But then I know you will use the example of Y0 or YY chromosomes
>>84404296Nobody said that but you troon.
>>84404292Me and the other anon are not the same person, dumbass
>>84404263I mean your DNA is probably doing something but your chromosomes generally don't do anything but I'm not really inclined to disagree on anything you said here>>84404280I'm not feeling very mocked clearly you're doing a bad job
>>84404316>Isn't that because... you're used to being mocked for being a troon?
>>84404297>You are arguing in bad faith.Yes I am. So was everyone else ITT. I feel like I generally give back what I'm being given
>>84403618I only ever hear "plenty of" but not where.
>>84404264"They are their sex because they are born with the genitals expected of their sex" is circular reasoning. >>84404275As in having the organs required to produce eggs.
>>84404316Nah, there is no difference in how DNA works in humans or how it works in rocks or water or anything. If all my chromosomes were switched with a brick wall chromosome, I would still be a nonbinary queen. My therapist told me DNA was a hoax created by religious people.
>>84404341You said "ability", verbatim. Maybe reword it better next time.
>>84404324>biology is bad faith because it hurts troonellas feelings
>>84404297>It's defined by XX or XY!>Ok what about these anomalies?>Doesn't count because they clearly look male or female!>So what they look like matters more?>You're arguing in bad faith!
>>84404356There is no proof that children are born from a uterus. For all we know, children might just come from eggs that fell from the sky. Critical race theory was a really good idea!
Attention starved tranny award.
>>84404343Yes queen live your truth
>>84404348Yes I worded it wrong.
>>84404374Wrong, they come from storks
>>84404364Sex is defined by chromosomes.Appearance can be influenced by disorders and superficial changes. The sex is not defined differently by anomalies, the anomalies just show that sex doesnt always define what you look like. Although sexual dimorphism is important to our sexuality and understanding of why chromosomes define sex.Hope that helps!>being alive means your heart is beating and metabolic activity>what about this anomaly with a mechanical heart!>uhh i guess dead people are alive forever now uhhhNo :)
>>84404412Your chromosomes don't define what you look like
>>84404441Usually it does, but some men dress like women or have other disorders
>>844044121) I already debunked this posting two sources 100 years apart that don't define sex with chromosomes. You have not posted a single reputable source backing up your claim2) That other anon poked holes in the chromosome argument anyway. They'd point out anomalous chromosomes and you'd reply saying it doesn't count due to the appearance, defeating your entire argument. Funny you mention death, it's definition is also controversial for the reasons you mentioned. Hopefully this will show you that scientific definitions are not as exact as people make it out to be That's all I've been saying here, that trans people have the charateristics of both sexes and should be treated as such. This is the only sane take.
>>84403735>show us an XX human with a penis and testesXX male syndrome exists
>>84404465This is another inconsistent conservative argument: Trans people are mentally ill but being trans is not a health condition it's a lifestyle choice?
>>84404469>trans people have the charateristics of both sexes and should be treated as such. This is the only sane take.>the "characteristics of both sexes" in question:
>>84404465>Usually it does,Well sometimes it doesn't
>>84404469>not exact Nothing you said is exact or even remotely true or relevant. >>84404479Trans people generally agree they have some form of dysphoria. The lifestyle question comes from self expression and how much of your identity revolves around the disorder or illness. The ideological argument is that being free to express yourself and have a compulsive lifestyle is the best treatment available for transfreakery, but it clearly affects other people and might still not be a great treatment overall
>>84403537>Are trans women womenNo. You will never be a woman.>Are trans women female?No. You will never be a female.>Should they use the women's bathroom?No.>SportsNo.>KidsNo.>PronounsNo.>Do you see the common theme here?Yes, it is called mental illness and being power hungry. Very sad that some people decide to play along with the delusional retards.>Government overreach.Government must do what the people who pay taxes tell it to. If the people tell it to ban trans, then so be it.>Why do you hate freedom?Your freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins. In other words you're only ever allowed to larp inside of your own home.
>>84404514Me when I didn't read the thread
>>84404502Sometimes virgins have children :)
>>84404516I don't have to read anything. I don't want nor need mentally ill people running rampant and creating chaos and destruction. I'm a net positive tax payer in exchange for services from the government. Including but not limited to making my are comfortable tand safe to live in. This includes not having my eyes offended by crazy larpers.
>>84404518And? How's that related?
>>84404469>1) I already debunked this posting two sources 100 years apart that don't define sex with chromosomes. You have not posted a single reputable source backing up your claimi didn't get the coronavirus vaccine either and i barely got sick when i got the virus. what's your point?>>84404469i said very clearly that anomalous chromosomes are irrelevant. all that matters is the presence or absence of the Y chromosome. and then another guy copy and pasted what i said verbatim multiple times lol
>>84404530Trans people pay taxes too so they should gain something from those taxes too
>>84404469Treating people better would have more to do with gender equality, civility, and community values. When you have a subculture that expressly rejects normal society and attacks established definitions just to argue and confuse everyone, its really not about being treated better but it could be about treating each other worse or just as bad. Its perfectly valid to have ideological enemies that disagree on the definition of sex or if a penis secretly only exists in the female anatomy, but its invalid to frame being treated like a woman as equivalent to being a woman. If you want to claim being a woman is different for everyone, then it can be different for me and I can decide for myself if you are a woman or not. If you concede that it is about chromosomes or morphology, then there is no lever to pull about which gender Im considering when I treat you a certain way, I can just improve how I treat both genders.
>>84404541Related to what exactly? Be more specific
>>84404574To how people's chromosomes can't be determined by their appearance
>>84404581Chromosomes are determined by how the sperm and egg cells formed and joined. Is that what you mean?
>>84404511>Trans people generally agree they have some form of dysphoria. The lifestyle question comes from self expression and how much of your identity revolves around the disorder or illness. The ideological argument is that being free to express yourself and have a compulsive lifestyle is the best treatment available for transfreakery, but it clearly affects other people and might still not be a great treatment overallOkay you seem to be attempting to finally give some kind of coherent argument here. let's see: So you agree that dysphoria is real? I'm finally getting somewhere with you. You disagree that transition is a valid form of treatment. Okay that's a pretty standard conservative argument. I can't really argue against this without just giving appeal to authority arguments. So let's just agree to disagree on that point. At least you admit dysphoria is real, that's probably as far as I'm going to get with you.
>>84404608Your mental illness doesnt excuse being condescending, and this argument on an anonymous social media platform has nothing to do with you making progress with me personally. You have been to too many therapy sessions lol. Bold of you to do this categorical shit with conservatives while trying to poke holes at generalized assumptions about men and women
>>84404558they are gaining a typical existence full of suffering like the rest of humans do. they aren't even isolated from the rest, forced into an asylum or anything.
>>84404599No I meant how you can't determine someone's chromosomes by looking at them >>84404711>they are gaining a typical existence full of suffering like the rest of humans do.Then you should have a typical existence full of suffering too and they shouldn't try to isolate trannies or whatever
>>84403537Your bitchy tone suggests you are a woman, so enjoy what you voted for.
>>84405773>Then you should have a typical existence full of suffering tooI do. We all have. Suffering might be different, but the fact of experiencing it in one form or another is universal. Fighting and minimizing it is what life itself is for almost all of the people.>they shouldn't try to isolate trannies or whateverthey do not. people really don't give a fuck. esp if you keep all of your kinks and fetishes to your own bedroom. Plenty of people don't even fucking vote in the presidential elections, do you think they'd vote on something as minor as what to do with mental illness? they go to a doctor, get their magic cocktail of meds and engage in degenerate behaviors that are not troonsterism. like alcohol and drug consumption too. to numb the pain.TL;DR: Anyway, point is, as long as you don't overstep the lines and try to force ideologies and dogma on others - nobody cares.
>>84405831How's this related to the taxes again?
>>84405827So you only need to shift your tone to not be a woman? I didn't know sex was determined by the tone
>>84405870taxes is putting all of our money together in order to make a better world for all of us. Like a road tax goes (ideally, not in a heavily corrupted system) into building and keeping the infrastructure up.It's for common good, not an overprivileged group good. However, given that plenty of tax money are wasted on aids ridden single mom whores, they system is under a major strain from an overpriviliged group (females) anyway.
>>84405897Anyway my tranny bloodtests should be covered by taxpayer money
>>84405908they never will be. healthcare is a scam. universal healthcare in the current world, without AI healthcare is, a scam system, that is tiered.Meaning, that everywhere in the world you only get the best options if you pay for them with your own cash. Monthly payment into the system is a joke for a healthy average person, which is only there, to keep alive people with chronic conditions, such as the diabetes for example.
>>84406020I don't need advanced special care for a bloodtest?
>>84403537Saying a man is 50% woman because XY looks similar to XX sounds like something Chris Chan would say.
>>84403537Where do you draw the line when I man is considered a woman? Is saying "I'm a woman" enough
>>84406043just fyi, a properly full panel blood test is not free here. you pay two hundie for it, despite having universal healthcare.I hope this answers your question.
>>84406054In my county I get them free
>>84406060In your country the average wage is 50 Turkish lira
>>84406069Doesn't change that taxpayers pay for my bloodtests
>>84406072You're a taxpayer so you're paying for it
>>84406060alright, but you're still missing the point. which is a tiered system of healthcare exists regardless of universal healthcare system.
>>84406076Yes but I often hear people complain how they don't want their taxpayer money to go towards medical services trans people receive even though I pay taxes too
>>84406079Like I said I don't need a special tier for a bloodtest
>>84406107then you're lucky. do you get the top tier dental care for free too? I don't. And I pay into these shitty systems every time. What I do, is save and invest, and then pay for my new implants with it.So the question remains, why the fuck would I want most people to benefit off my tax and healthcare payments, whenever I, have to pay myself for the shit I want.
>>84406101Taxpayer money are more than often wasted and giving it to trans people is wasted
>>84406123If you needed a bloodtest you'd get it for free too in my country
>>84406139This doesn't address my actual questions and the problem at hand, which is, privileged groups when it comes to tax and healthcare should not exist in the first place.
>>84406137I pay taxes and I want my taxes to go towards my care. I wouldn't want to only pay for cisgender people's care
>>84406143I just mean if all people get bloodtests for free there's no reason for me to not get it for free too
>>84406157what about the childfree tax? I pay that shit too. Imagine, I pay more into the system, because I decided to not have any children so far. It's a % of the income too.TL;DR: As a straight healthy male I'm super disadvantaged by the "patriarchial" system. Why the fuck would I ever want you or a single mom to get my money?
>>84406150Have you put a little though into this phrase because it's not rational I wasted enough time already
>>84406172I don't have children either
>>84406175What's so hard to understand? Taxpayers pay for bloodtests, I get bloodtest for free
>>84406053>Is saying "I'm a woman" enoughDepending on the context it is. I don't think saying I'm a woman is enough to let someone participate in women's sports but it should be enough for someone to receive HRT if they want it
