My cousin is 20 and claims he is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. He claims its because of his hentai addiction and before he was 16 he only felt attracted to adult women and he never felt attracted to children or even girls his age.Is it true that porn addiction can make you become a pedophile? Or is it possible that genetic changes happened that caused him to be attracted to children?
>>84411837my fetishes developed when i was like 6-8 before i was even sexually attracted to women. when i developed attraction to women around 10-11, they all instantly became connected and nothing ever changed.i don't trust a fucking word anyone says as soon as they tell me they developed any kind of kinks or fetishes after they were already fully mature (physiologically, not legally).
>>84411837>my cousinpedophiles dont confess it to their family lmao
>>84411847that's because OP is a pedophile too so his cousin felt safe.
>>84411841Why? He said himself that he never felt attracted to children when he was younger. Why would he lie about that?
>>84411865>Why? He said himself that he never felt attracted to children when he was younger. Why would he lie about that?is this a sincere question? are you not able to come up with any theories of mind here?>there's nothing inherently wrong with "me">who i am was altered externally by something else that hooked me into it>also, i wasn't searching out underage hentai/loli in the first place>it just got mixed into everything else!it's just the predictable shame and desire to not be viewed as a monster.
>>84411888He claims that he looked at hentai regularly since he was 12 or 13 and he only jerked off to adult women. Around 16 he started becoming more addicted to porn and hentai.He started looking at loli hentai at 16 and the first few times when he masturbated to it, he had a difficult time getting aroused and kept thinking about adult women, but eventually he became comfortable with it and was strongly aroused by it.Thats what he says happened. So are you claiming he was always a pedophile and somehow suppressed those urges until a certain point? Do you think its impossible for someone to become sexually attracted to something they were never attracted to before?
>>84411837No. Anyone who says this already started off as a pedophile, and are trying to make themselves seem like helpless victims of circumstance. The vast majority of people who consistently watch pornography never become pedophiles.
>>84411909Have you considered he might not be telling the truth so as to make his paraphilia seem less bad
>>84411912Isnt it more respectable to just be one due to genetic factors out of your control rather than because of porn you watched and could control the intake of? Id say the only reason you'd put it down to porn addiction is to convince yourself its reversible like with homos and their gay porn addiction.
>before he was 16 he only felt attracted to adult women and he never felt attracted to children or even girls his ageI think this might be a hint of either some form of repression, like forbidden fruit that you suddenly realise you've been missing out on the entire time, or just a conscious realisation/discovery of what you believe (on some level of consciousness) to be the thing you're attracted to the most (e.g. a younger wife would be able to sustain more births, etc).>Is it true that porn addiction can make you become a pedophile?I believe it is possible to acquire almost any kind of sexual preferences through persistent exposure, so yes.>Or is it possible that genetic changes happened that caused him to be attracted to children?Like a radioactive spider bit him and rewrote his DNA? lmao>>84411888>>84411924If there's that much shame in it, then why openly discuss it to begin with, only to then lie about it? It doesn't make much sense, Anon.
>>84411929Like >>84411888 said, claiming that he developed a paraphilia after porn addiction makes it seem like there's nothing inherently wrong with him, and that he's just a victim of circumstance. >Id say the only reason you'd put it down to porn addiction is to convince yourself its reversible like with homos and their gay porn addiction.well, if he's telling someone else about it, it's probably because he wants help, right? It's totally feasible that he'd try to make himself look fixable.>>84411938A lot of people try to "water down" their secrets when they're first telling other people about them. A lot of gay men initially tell their friends that they're bi, for example, so as to make it seem less severe.
>>84411909>So are you claiming he was always a pedophile and somehow suppressed those urges until a certain point?what are you, an idiot? of course he would lie about this. can't you understand why? he was never suppressing any urges. the whole premise is absurd. i knew what i was into before i was even attracted to girls, and as soon as i was attracted to them, i suddenly realized why i was having the feelings i was having for the objects of my paraphilias.>Do you think its impossible for someone to become sexually attracted to something they were never attracted to before?yes. unless you've literally never seen it before, which is generally impossible now that we're in the future with the internet, TV, global transportation, etc.thing is, he *was* a kid when he was first feeling these feelings. that's why it's so frustrating to him. it doesn't feel fair to get stuck with a fetish you can't act on that people hate you for even if you're completely suppressing your desires like they want. and it's not like any of us really feel all that different from when we were kids.my fetishes are completely obtainable. in fact, they are within my grasp already. but if i could literally never have them, ever, it would drive me insane. that's why all the trannies with their autogynephilia will invert reality itself and blow up their lives for them.
>>84411957cool theory bro, but you're projecting wayyy too hard here. not everyone's wired the same way as you. i hope you're not the one who brought up "theory of mind" earlier, because you do seem to be struggling in that department.
>>84411938>If there's that much shame in it, then why openly discuss it to begin with, only to then lie about it? It doesn't make much sense, Anon.i have a very close friend who recently told me about his autogynephilia and the stress it's putting on his marriage. he is completely certain there's no reason to transition because he would never be a real woman and he has decided he absolutely never will. but he still wants to. and if there were a way to really become a woman, he'd have done it. not even being able to tell anyone about your greatest burdens makes them even heavier. he cares about you. he hopes you care about him enough to try to understand him in a way someone who doesn't care about him wouldn't. what's funny is that you're being so charitable to him when he's still trying to lie to you. but, if he was ever going to act on it, he wouldn't have told you anything in the first place. so you can probably rest assured he's like my friend who decided he would never transition right from the start. he's a math and science kind of guy so for him it's all or nothing. nothing less than XX chromosomes would do.
>>84411924I dont think so. He even told me his preferences in adult women changed a lot during that period.I guess its possible that he was always attracted to children and wasnt aware of it until 16 years old. (He doesnt have a sexual preference for children, he claims he is mostly attracted to adults but he also feels attracted to children).>>84411938>Like a radioactive spider bit him and rewrote his DNA? lmaoNo, I meant that some genetic changes during puberty might have caused him to feel attracted to children. I dont know if thats possible. But he says his preferences have stayed the same since he was 16.
>>84411975i am indeed that person, and i'm uninterested in your perspective if that's all you've got. i am very certain i understand how this stuff works because i have close friends who've told me wild shit they'd never tell anyone else, and i've taken great pains to study this stuff across the internet where people can talk without revealing their identity.
>>84411985>i'm uninterested in your perspectivethat's the problem. you can have your own experiences and have friends whose experiences are similar, but that does not make those experiences universal. i get that one needs to be able to generalise to make a point, but calling people idiots and liars just for having (or being willing to believe) different experiences than your own, is not a healthy attitude when discussing individual experiences.
>>84412039i know all of that and i don't care, because i am simply too certain on a handful of specific subjects, this is one of them. articulating why would require bringing up way too much shit that isn't worth typing, and i'm not interested in doing that either. call me and believe what you will.
>>84412048you being certain does not make you 100% right. phrases like "based on my experience" and "i believe the most likely answer in this case is:" go a long way.
>>84412075you aren't getting it. i'm not trying to convince anyone. my attitude is that you're just gonna pay for not listening to me anyway, and it doesn't affect me if you don't change your mind. in the off chance i'm wrong then good for you. that doesn't affect me either. we're on /r9k/. if it were real life i'd jump through the hoops you're recommending. but again: we're on /r9k/.
>>84412086i'm far less likely to "listen" to anyone who doesn't consider the possibility that they're wrong, especially when it comes to a subject as personal and nuanced as other people's sexuality.>my attitude is that you're just gonna pay for not listening to me anywaya fairly shitty attitude, i'd say. i'm not even the OP or in any way directly involved in anything being discussed in the thread. seems like the standard kneejerk r9k response to anyone being in a stable relationship:>she's cheating on you / she'll dump you tomorrow just you wait!and yes, i realise i'm on /r9k/, a place where self-proclaimed experts love to make one-sided arguments. if stepping out of that paradigm feels like a hoop that someone is trying to get you to jump through, then so be it. everyone always being right and constantly getting psyop'd by everyone else, is the default mode of online communication, after all.
>>84411841My development is stunted and even though I have the same fetishes from my childhood, true heterosexual programming only clicked for me when I was 23. Before that I only liked ass and tits, in a boring way
>>84412152alright, now you've really got me on the hook. i need to make sense of this.how could you possibly read what i just wrote and continue to try to teach me how to be more convincing? my entire attitude revolves around the premise that i'm not interested in jumping through all the hoops you're laying out (that i'm well-aware of) because i don't care about the outcome here since it doesn't affect me if no one trusts me. because this is 4chan. nobody behaves the same way in real life as they behave on 4chan. that's just common sense.>if stepping out of that paradigm feels like a hoop that someone is trying to get you to jump through, then so be it.it's not like that--it's that it isn't worth it to jump through these hoops when speaking to people with motivated reasoning. that's why i brought up the trannies--they are driven by their fetish--it is the true motivation driving their behaviors behind all the obfuscations. he's giving his cousin the benefit of the doubt when it doesn't make sense here because there's motivated reasoning on both sides.motivated reasoning is like bad faith. when you're arguing against it you're arguing against someone who's speaking in bad faith either intentionally or simply due to errors in reasoning that occur due to the triumph of emotion over reason.
>>84412171are you saying you were masturbating to and turned on by men's asses too? what exactly is "heterosexual programming"? does this mean you were turned off by vagina or what?>>84412152see, look at this guy i'm responding to. there are so many critical details we have to dredge up to even get to the starting line of figuring anything out.
>>84412189>whyi see interactions here as practice for real life interactions. or perhaps more accurately, this is me practicing interactions by talking to myself, so convincing others is not really the goal - i need to be able to convince *myself*. i find it interesting that you see some kind of hard separation between the two, but that's only natural if the sole or primary goal is to convince others, which is nigh impossible around here.what i meant when i said you have to be able to generalise to be able to have any real discussion on a topic as personal as sexuality, was that otherwise the discussion will almost inevitably stall at "not all trannies/paedoes/rapists". so for you to lead me straight towards that "wall" without a plan, is also strange to me. i don't think we know enough about OP's cousin to make a firm judgment one way or the other. the more proof we get that his behaviours are consistent with the people from your life, the higher the likelihood of your "motivated reasoning" theory being applicable in this case. but unless OP has more relevant details to share, we might never know for sure.
>>84411837>Is it true that porn addiction can make you become a pedophile?Your brother is just a degenerate. I masturbate daily and I'm not a pedophile.
>>84412253>or perhaps more accurately, this is me practicing interactions by talking to myselfthis is not something you can practice here because nobody is communicating the way they do in real life. this is a hall of smoke and mirrors where anyone could be lying or confused at any moment. nobody's reputation is on the line. you can say anything. and there are no names to garner fame or money so the reward from success here is limited. the main reason to post here is passion for the poasting--you do it for the love of the game.>what i meant when i said you have to be able to generalise to be able to have any real discussion on a topic as personal as sexualityi did understand your point--the reason i followed up the way i did is because i believe there's no way to confirm or deny my assertions and there may never be. you can't trust people to be honest about the ultimate topic of shame for a lot of people. and you can't trust people to accurately remember their early development either even if they're trying their hardest to be honest. where am i supposed to go from there? i have an intuition about this i feel very strongly about, and my intuition has been so shockingly accurate in my life that i'm simply going to trust it on this topic because i believe my reasons to distrust not only what i'm being told but even other people's honest memories are logical and legitimate.>i don't think we know enough about OP's cousin to make a firm judgment one way or the other.of course we can't prove or deny anything. but if i had to bet a large amount of money on it, and we could irrefutably determine the truth somehow, i know which way i'd go without hesitation. and i explained why.
>>84412385>this is a hall of smoke and mirrors where anyone could be lying or confused at any moment.i don't think real life is any different in that regard.the main difference for me, is that in real life i cannot think quickly enough to have a convincing argument, and my tendency to always consider the other side of the argument ends up backfiring. whereas here i can take my time and pick my battles.>the ultimate topic of shame for a lot of peoplei feel like this perception has been shifting in the society. it is possible that the cousin does not see it that way at all and this is just a casual thing to mention, like how often and where do you masturbate, or what texture was your shit this morning. some people see no reason to hide these things. and once again - if hiding things was the objective, then revealing sexual attraction towards children is... a very questionable method of trying to achieve that.i, too, often make judgments about people that are extremely accurate, since i'm very observant and very good at identifying patterns. but i'm also someone who doesn't like to outright dismiss any alternative possibility, however unlikely it may be.
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I don't get pedo as sexuality. If you're into underdeveloped bodies why not just fuck small women with flat chests? It just seems stupid to engage in what society seems as one of the most vile and illegal behaviors when legal substitutes exist. Especially if you're a billionaire, you can order a bunch of underfed russian girls who look 12 while being 18+ to your creepy island
>>84412498I don't get why serial killers kill people why not just play call of dutyMid wits need to stop giggling their opinions.
>>84411837Hook him up with some VRchat 20yo lonely femcel or smth and he'll stop being retarded
>>84412475>i feel like this perception has been shifting in the society. it is possible that the cousin does not see it that way at all and this is just a casual thing to mention, like how often and where do you masturbate, or what texture was your shit this morning. some people see no reason to hide these things. and once again - if hiding things was the objective, then revealing sexual attraction towards children is... a very questionable method of trying to achieve that.did you not understand anything i said about the fact that his cousin is bearing a burden and sharing it in hopes of releasing that burden, but he still has to guard himself and is trying to obfuscate in a "i'm not like those other pedos" format. surely you can see this, right? because you sound kinda autistic to me.>i don't think real life is any different in that regard.the part that's different is that they're afraid to be caught out lying or confused and don't take the risks they'd take here.
>>84412498>If you're into underdeveloped bodies why not just fuck small women with flat chests?idiot. you think they don't do this? but it still wouldn't be the real thing.
>>84411837Remember there's nothing immoral about being attracted to children as long as you don't offend. Thoughts aren't a crime.
>>84412513>I don't get why serial killers kill people why not just play call of dutyIt's true doe. or you can learn how to lucid dream if you want a more immersive experience.
>>84412189>nobody behaves the same way in real life as they behave on 4chan. that's just common sense.NTA but see that's where you are VERY wrong. The internet and real life has been heavily intertwined for well over a decade. The whole "internet is not real life" hasn't been true for a very long time.
>>84412586>his cousin is bearing a burden and sharing it in hopes of releasing that burden, but he still has to guard himself and is trying to obfuscate in a "i'm not like those other pedos" formatQuite possible. But by no means conclusive.>did you not understand anything i said about the factI understood your point, but that does not make it a "fact".>the part that's different is that they're afraid to be caught out lying or confused and don't take the risks they'd take here.The opposite can also be true. There's more to gain by doubling down on one's lies, doubts and confusion in real life, or wherever you have a fixed identity attached to whatever you say. There's more social pressure to win an argument even if it's a dishonest one, more to gain from being persuasive (but not necessarily factual/honest/truthful).
porn addiction isn't a real thing
He's always been one and is grooming you to accept it or when he does/tells you he did something bad
>>84411837The default state of malehood is pedophilia
>>84412643Why would the jews ever let that be classified as a "real" thing even though it is? Retard, use your brain
>>84412616Anon just stopThese people do not do what they do for some higher meaning they do what they do because torturing and abusing things they perceive as weaker then them lights up the reward pathways in their brain like a Christmas tree. Stop being a midwit and trying to over analyze and overcomplicate sociopathic and psychopathic behaviors.
