>>84432780
It really just ruins my day when I go outside and see women like this and it happens way to offen

her butt is as big as her brain

>>84432786
it's worse during the summers. all the girls wearing very short shorts or nice dresses that sticks close to the body. fucked up shit. let me go to the book store in peace without being reminded of what I can't have.

>>84432786
>>84432796
you can just masturbate to her at home or somewhere private yknow. or approach her if you are so hard up. if you are convinced she will reject you anyway then there is no harm in attempting to hit on her as you are already prepared for the worst to happen. would you rather only have ugly women walking around with nothing for the spank bank? ungrateful mfers

>>84432796
For me its not even about that. It's just that I immediately recognize that to the majority of people her value as a person is much higher than mine because Im just a regular guy and she most likely recieved more validation and sipport in her childhood than I will for the rest of my life.

>>84432824
bizarre thing to assume. she could just have easily have been beaten by her mother for attracting her dads cock up her ass as a kid too much and making mommy jealous daddy doesnt fuck her anymore or have been stalked and raped in an alley by a random guy from high school then smeared as a whore by every other girl that wanted to cut her out of the social hierarchy for it. you can fantasize things about complete strangers good or bad and it will all be moot as you have no idea what their lives are like until you talk to them. why would you fantasize their lives are perfect just to shit on yourself?

>>84432780
>>84432821
What do you even say to women when you "approach" them???

>>84432837
well you are in a bookstore in this scenario. you can, idk, talk about the fucking books in front of you and in her hand?

>>84432841
And say what about them? You haven't read them. She hasn't read them yet, that's why she's buying them. Give me an example sequence of dialogue.

>>84432847
are you stupid? talk about a book you have read. this is a bookstore. it has more than two books in it. or do you not fucking read? considering you need to ASK for an example of dialogue after already needing to be told what to talk about in a bookstore..

no because then we both have to pretend we actually read instead of collecting books so we can look smart plus she probably has retarded taste and is buying a book about indigenous people or the collected works of sex pervert mcrapist or some shit and then I gotta be like oh yeah wow I totally don't think that's super gay

>>84432831
Because I live in reality and I have witnessed reality and the reality is that men like me exist to work and only have material things to enjoy while people that are attractive and charismatic live fulfilling lives and have family and friends to spend it with. I acknowledge the possibility that these people may have a tragic backstory or whatever but the fact of the matter is is that they have more than I ever will because compare to them I am subhuman and I didn't tell myself that society did

>>84432831
If he talked to her and you had to bet 1000$ on the outcome, would you bet that she rejects him or he gets the phone number?

>>84432852
Give me an example sequence of dialogue if it's so easy.

>>84432859
Sorry anon, that won't help with our situation. People like you and me are just wired differently. Normal people can come up with things to talk about on the spot, while people like us have no clue what to say most of the time, especially in front of a cute girl. It is what it is.

>>84432821
>masturbate to her at home or somewhere private yknow.
it's about having my moment ruined. i wouldn't complain if i was at a music festival. the book store, really?
>attempting to hit on her as you are already prepared for the worst to happen
there is no point. i know what she will say. i don't want to boost her ego anymore than it has, assuming we are talking about pic related girl. her smile from the compliment approach isn't worth it to me.

Bookstores are the fakest shit ever. It makes no sense unless it's a used book store that you have to physically browse. Go to a Barnes and noble and half the place is cute little $50 calendars and chinkshit bags or mugs that say 'i heart books xd'. Other half of the store is femgooner books. Their clientele is people who want other people to think they read and porn addicts. Anyone with half a brain is either borrowing or buying online.
You're better off cruising lingerie stores or orbiting the one fat bitch at the board game shop.

>>84432877
Anyone could feed you lines but it will always feel forced because its a forced and unnatural interaction. This is why cold approach sucks, you don't really care about the book, you're talking to her because you want to plant your face in her fat glutes.

>>84432894
>You're better off cruising lingerie stores or orbiting the one fat bitch at the board game shop.
one of the decent things about living in a city is used bookstores.

>>84432855
well i do consider you subhuman now. what are you going to do about it? just let some anonymous faggot say that to you with no fight back?

>>84432857
see >>84432821
>if you are convinced she will reject you anyway then there is no harm in attempting to hit on her as you are already prepared for the worst to happen.

>>84432859
why not use your fucking brain in your head?

>>84432877
you are sitting here demoralizing each other when you could be out there getting pussy you apparently want or, if you so desire, fucking each other. why? why do you need to be told that you are in a bookstore, talk about the books around you. ask her about the fucking BOOK SHE IS LOOKING AT. ask her where she heard about it, why she is interested, hm that does sound interesting maybe ill pick it up etc. if you can type coherently on 4chan you can make the easiest small talk in the world out in meatspace.

>>84432904
>why not use your fucking brain in your head?
I'm just a stupid moron and I'm not smart like you so please provide me an example of this "approaching a woman" dialogue because I've never seen other people do it so I don't know what kinds of things they say, I genuinely just want an example of what typical back and forth dialogue between two complete strangers in a book store (one male, one female) would consist of.

>>84432890
it's a bookstore. she is wearing a full length dress. is she supposed to leave her ass at home?
>i don't want to boost her ego anymore than it has
pathetic antisocial thought process. i compliment random people all the time in public for no reason other than to make their day better. and no, they are generally not attractive young women.

why the fuck are you letting seeing a stranger in public ruin your day? this is your time and your life. look away if it bothers you or act like a human being and file the appearance of a stranger away as something that has no relevance to your life because it does not. you are buying books. focus on the fucking task at hand if you consider the presence of masturbation material to be a distraction.

>>84432916
do you not ask people about literally anything, ever? did you not read the post?
>why do you need to be told that you are in a bookstore, talk about the books around you. ask her about the fucking BOOK SHE IS LOOKING AT. ask her where she heard about it, why she is interested, hm that does sound interesting maybe ill pick it up etc. if you can type coherently on 4chan you can make the easiest small talk in the world out in meatspace.

why do you need a script for asking someone why something interests them and what it is about/is it good or making general conversation? you are speaking in this thread right now. clearly you know how to form a sentence in response to something someone has said. that is all you have to do. ask a question, listen, respond, ask follow-up questions. people, especially women, adore talking about themselves. and if you, and this is key, ACTUALLY SEEM INTERESTED IN THE FUCKING BOOK INSTEAD OF HER PUSSY she will find you far more interesting because you have now demonstrated
1. you can speak like a human to a human
2. you are interested in her intelligence/interests/tastes/thoughts and value her perspective/judgement
3. you can control yourself around an attractive woman and see past her appearance

you know what the secret is for attractive and powerful people? speaking to them as peers on a human-level and never mentioning their appearance or status. this is unusual for high status people and shows sovereignty and self confidence. it makes them recognize you as a peer, not someone who wants to use them/their body/connections/money. someone not parasitic. they will lower their defenses and not treat you with suspicion as they have to because people treat them this way all the time. you can speak as the real people that you are. you can acknowledge their status or appearance much later once you have an established connection but in a way that shows it is irrelevant to you and you would enjoy their company regardless. and mean it.

>>84432957
>do you not ask people about literally anything, ever?
Sure, if I get a trouble call at work I ask for the symptoms so I can fix it. That's different from approaching a stranger at a bookstore so I'm asking for an example. I don't know why this angers you so much. Can you just give me an example? Here, I'll give you an example of what a trouble call might sound like.

"Signals, [anon]."
>Hey signals, RR1234 isn't working.
"What did the crew say is happening?"
>Every time they try to move, they get a system fault.
"Does this happen when they set the reverser, or only when they start moving?"
>They said it happens as soon as they set the reverser. The engine doesn't even move.
"Sounds like the brake pipe integrity valve. I'll get my stuff ready and head out, but can you ask them to make sure the valve is open? Thanks."

That's an example of back and forth dialogue at work. I'm just asking you to provide an example, in that kind of back and forth format, of dialogue when approaching a woman you don't know at a bookstore, because I have neither done nor witnessed that and I genuinely have no idea how that works so I'm asking, IN GOOD FAITH, for an example of what that dialogue would sound like, because I'm a stupid person with no social skills or experience and you have lots so I'm just asking for an example of one of the many conversations you've had with women at a bookstore.

i wish i could find a gf who likes real literature and not slop

>>84432919
>it's a bookstore. she is wearing a full length dress. is she supposed to leave her ass at home?
no. but i will complain about how shitty it is to see.
>pathetic antisocial thought process.
this is r9k. a majority incel board now.
>focus on the fucking task at hand if you consider the presence of masturbation material to be a distraction.
am i going to masturbate there? by the time I get home, she will have disappeared from my mind. i will continue with my day and time at the store, but it would be so much better if they didn't show up.

>>84432780
Kek. Most book readers now a days are lonely women who try to larp as intelligent. Two days ago i went to a library with my gf to pick up a book order for myself and all the roasties inside the library gave my gf and me dirty looks. Even the zoomette cashier seemed upset.

>>84432996
plotfags 1

>>84432780
Why? They should take the initiative and cold approach ME at the local book store.

Fuck off moids
I will kill you if you approach me

>>84432984
i have actually. just the other day i did just that at a barnes and noble on a whim because she was in the manga section with her boyfriend, complimented my dress
>whoops!
and then we struck up talking about manga, josei and junji ito specifically as well as the issues she had with the plot in berserk (specifically regarding casca and griffith), transitioning to larger and longer discussions relevant to branching topics. i cannot give you a specific example because (well yes i did think you were asking completely in bad faith but also) it entirely depends on whatever the book is. i cannot give you a script for how to discuss a movie or a meal either because they are relevant to the topic and unfold naturally. as i have already said, all you really need to do is ask her typical questions such as
>oh, i think ive seen that title mentioned before but am not super familiar with what it is about. what did you find interesting about it?

you always ask questions about the other person and you ask for their opinion, their perspective, their thoughts. why do they like the things they do? what draws them to it? why did they choose that? this is not a bookstore or book-specific phenomenon. are some people going to blow you off? yes, but those are people who are clearly incapable of depth or speaking with any sort of passion. do you think they would magically have passion in the bedroom or a relationship?

you know how you make people flock to you? you dont act like you are trying to attract them. you just exist doing whatever the fuck it is you want with no need for their input. this makes it exceptionally valuable when you request it from them, and they assign you high status in their heads by seeing that you are not someone begging for scraps. you are the one choosing whether people are worthy enough to be involved in your life. there is nothing more intoxicating for the RIGHT kind of person. the WRONG kind will take offense because they want to control you.

>>84433036
Yeah, ok lol. I'd like to see you try

>>84432999
/r9k/ is not a majority incel board by any official definition and, frankly, the demographics and general discussion completely rebuke that claim. /r9k/ like any board is defined by what the users make it and is constantly shifting. assigning anything including yourself a definition like that makes you abide by a script and behave in accordance with other peoples expectations. if that is how you want to be, fine, but declaring anything should or should not be on the board is absurd. an incels thoughts are just as valid of content as mine, but that doesnt mean i wont challenge him on it and make him fight to defend what the fuck he is saying just as i defend what i say and am open if not actively desirous of having my mind changed by someone more fierce than i.

>>84432999
you think seeing an ass is a shitty thing to see? doot doot da doot IM THE SCATMAN
>am i going to masturbate there?
yes, pussy. whip it out.

>>84432894
>>84432903
on another note both of these anons are right lmfao. thriftbooks, internet archive, project gutenberg, the totally legal shadow libraries that are scattered across the internet and openly advertised in any reading or academic circles. shame so many local used bookstores go out of business. i enjoyed supporting them and purchasing the used/discounted books at other local stores and from the library when they were still available. universities also tend to have sales or stores like libraries do when liquidating inventory.
>>84432996
and if she is reading slop she can just get it from the library or more likely find it online. name your real /lit/ bb

>>84432984
If I had to guess he probably is thinking to open with a question or dumb observation. Ask if [thing she probably likes] is any good, remark gee this store display is lame/cool/weird, or exclaim I can't believe there's weather outside and it's going to X tomorrow. If you're attractive she will probably laugh and start saying lots of words. If you're unattractive she'll scowl, look uncomfortable, or act weird in some way. Point being to dangle a hook before her. If she wants to be caught she'll strike, if not she'll swim away or call security or something.
I don't have much dating experience but I have seen a lot of anime, so I have a lot of hours racked up imagining how I first meet my future wife, the things we do on dates, or names for our future kids.

>>84432786
One of the things you deal with in large metropolitan cities is seeing women like this everywhere. I wouldn't go as far as saying its an advantage, but women like this certainly dull their effect over time.
Makes it much easier to accept they will never want you.

>your brain on commercials

>>84433048
>won't give actual dialogue example just vaguely describes the topic
I'm not asking for a script I'm just asking for an example of a conversation and your reluctance to just give an example back and forth dialogue is making me begin to suspect that such dialogues (which I have never heard, personally) do not exist and the whole "just approach a stranger at a bookstore and talk to her" is bullshit, and you can't provide a direct example because people simply don't have those sorts of conversations.

>>84433036
>>84433052
oh great the foid/moid attentionwhore/simp edating rituals have started

>>84433091
you can believe whatever bullshit you want. i already think very little of you given our conversation thus far and my repetition of exactly what to say and your repetition of refusing to comprehend what i am saying.
>>84433070
buddy up with this guy and stick with your anime.

>>84433052
I will try once and it will be successful if you refuse to leave me alone

>At the book store with my wife
>We split up so she can look at her foidslop books for her book club while I look at my moidslop so I can be pseudointellectual online
>Minding my own business
>Looking at "The Crossing" since I finished All The Pretty Horses while overseas (I read Cormac McCarthy you know)
>Suddenly hear "Hi" from next to me
>Turn my head
>There's a weird, nerdy looking woman standing there
>Terrible posture, smells funny, way too into my personal space
>Say "uh, hi" back
>She looks embarrassed and scuttles off
I think she thought I was somebody else. It was really uncomfortable. I told my wife about it and now she keeps asking if I wanna go see if my girlfriend is at the book store whenever we go to the mall.

>>84432780
I didn't ask. stop telling me what to do, faggot.

>>84433102
absolutely terrifying, femanon. everyone here is quaking in their boots from your kitty cat spiked key ring held tight in your sweaty little hand and your sneering misandrist demeanor. i can tell you truly despise male attention and avoid it whenever possible.

>>84433120
>I told my wife about it and now she keeps asking if I wanna go see if my girlfriend is at the book store whenever we go to the mall.
fucking lel, wholesome wifejoke moment

>>84432780
I think what a lot of incels dont realize because they get all their info from other incels is that real men are cold approaching women ALL THE TIME. Deliverymen, repair guys, salesmen, janitors, etc are all hitting on females at every opportunity sometimes even if they know they are married. Because unlike incels normal men understand that it really is a numbers game and if you persist long enough you will get lucky. Being turned down or told no runs off them like water off a raincoat. They dont obsess with rejection or even really care. Not like how an incel will get turned down once and remember it for every waking moment for the reat of their life and write out huge blog posts on 4chan about it. Normal men have been turned down literally thousands of times and it doesnt slow them down.

>>84432780
They're too smart for you

>>84433125
Bend over and take it up that pert puckered hole like a good little bitch, faggot. Your attempts to assert dominance are so cute. You know you need to be reamed by a real man to put you in your place.

>>84433133
Hm, what does it mean that real men never approach me in public Anon?
Am I just too ugly? :(

>>84433056
You are not going to get me to compliment random women with their asses out at the bookstore.

>>84433141
fuck off back to the /lgbt/ you stupid degenerate

>>84433133
>real men are cold approaching women ALL THE TIME. Deliverymen, repair guys, salesmen, janitors, etc are all hitting on females at every opportunity sometimes even if they know they are married
Maybe 15 years ago, unc

>>84433152
Those men from 15 years ago are still around and we are still fucking those women you can only fantasize about while you are making love to your hand, junior.

>>84432894
I will always tell people to use their library. Or read online if possible. Plus lots of libraries offer online books. I read the book for free first and if I really like it then I will buy a physical copy.

>>84433131
It sometimes feels like it has an underlying insecurity about it, but most of the time it's just a playful jab. She got really mad when one of her friends obviously hit on me and asked for my number in front of her while incredibly drunk.

>be at the book store browsing books
>trying to find book that I started to read but want a physical copy and finish
>guy gets in the wsy, disrupts me, forget which row I was on, etc. just to ask for a date
Fuck no.

>>84433095
You've made an outlandish claim, when pressed on it your story fell apart and you got angry. Why even do that sort of thing?

This thread reeks of brown.

Hey so what authors or books would you be pleasantly surprised to learn that a woman reads? I'm trying to have as much range as possible

>>84433222
>author
CM Nascosta

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>>84433222
>Hey so what authors or books would you be pleasantly surprised to learn that a woman reads?
Bakker, of course

>>84433226
Im not reading that furry shit

>>84433231
I regret asking u faggots

>>84433133
If she's married to someone else and then wants to marry me just because I complimented her boobs while I'm waging at my mcjob I would not feel very lucky. I'd just think she's an unfaithful whore not even worth spitting on.

>>84433102
oh shit special ops foid

>>84433150
Ooh, Daddy likes it when you fight back. I am stroking my fat cock to your messages, Anonymous. I imagine how lithe and virile that tight little body of yours must be. That ass has to be firm and breedable.

>>84433148
>with their asses out at the bookstore
how do you think asses work

>>84433208
hah, are you trying to manipulate me with this pathetic projection now? try harder. i never got angry, i have been angry from the beginning and have only been annoyed in particular by your willful refusal to read and respond to what i am saying. you got a series of replies and actual advice, so here is your 6/10. if you were at any point serious and genuinely this stupid, go ask grok for a script formatted in greentext. be sure to request it add double the typical racial slurs for your reading pleasure.

>>84433222
>I'm trying to have as much range as possible
why not ask for genres then

>>84433218
Try /bant/. You will love sniffing out shades there.

>>84433174
>wife teases you about woman coming up to you and poorly flirting being your girlfriend
normal
>wife is irritated and offended her drunk friend tried to commit adultery with her husband directly in front of her
normal

>>84433152
Is admitting that you are too incompetent or bitchass to muster up the nerve to ask for extra onions sauce much less the hand of a young foid compared to the metrosexuals of yesteryear supposed to be an own on them?

>>84433178
>trying to find book that I started to read but want a physical copy and finish
well this is your fault for not utilizing your local library and being smart with money
>guy gets in the wsy, disrupts me, forget which row I was on, etc. just to ask for a date
and not memorizing the dewey decimal system.

as usual they're beside the kid's section

>>84433405
She is looking at the generic classics section. Note the covers. They keep that up front.

>>84433405
the kids section is the best place to ask out girls. if her age is on the clock, anon

>>84433371
bat attempt at trolling

>>84433470
The first rule of trolling is to have fun and be yourself. The second rule of trolling is to always use multiple forms of protection. After all, only (You) can prevent forest fires.

>>84433404
>well this is your fault for not utilizing your local library and being smart with money
I want a physical copy: i.e. own it. Not borrow it.

>not memorizing the dewey decimal system.
It's his fault for coming up to me where he is not wanted and intruding on my personal space.

>>84433552
trolling is only allowed on /b/.

>>84433568
And what if I said I was masturbating to this conversation? Is that trolling too? Shame you can never see my penis to know if it is the true or not given the anti-selfie measures of the board. Schrodingers wang.

>>84432780
She's asking for "it"

>>84433048
>>84432957
Ew no that shit is fucking creepy, stop being a pick-me

>>84433555
oh, let me adjust my conversational parameters to match your cognitive level. if you want to read a book, femanon, it makes sense to acquire it from an institution at no charge, finish it, and then return it. purchasing it later is an optional step for only the very best. as for your personal space issues, whine more on your blog about it. if you are shopping at b&n anyway, to use the pic as the thread example, you are no morally superior than purchasing from amazon. on there you will not have anyone bursting your little safe space bubble by committing the heinous crime of coming up to talk to you about books in a bookstore because they find you compelling. and with the handy-dandy search system, you will never lose your place on the shelves again! have you tried kindle? they have excellent deals on their ebooks at less than $2 for many, and you can read in-browser!

>>84433617
blow me, bitch. no part of talking to people about books is being a pick-me. got any other pseudofeminist terminology you want to incorrectly use from tiktok?

>>84433568
MOOOOOOOOOOOM HES BACKSEAT MODDING AGAIN MOOOOOOOOM MOM MOM

>contrarian faggot webbed sight
>ordering people around

what do you think is going to happen here
NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEEEE

Why the fuck are men supposed to approach and get rejected?

>>84432837
"I love you. Will you please date me with the intention of marriage?"

>>84432837
just say "bangarang".

>>84433091
Anon he's saying that you should know the books she reads even though men and women read different books in general. That alone tells you he's full of shit.

>>84433133
>real men are cold approaching women ALL THE TIME
Illegal in Europe.

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>>84432780
This bitch is just fat assed like that and not ashamed of it

>>84433635
every foid should smear her pussy across the ground when open to couples copulation. leave a trail of cervical mucus for maleanons to follow like a snail.

or perhaps they could adopt a method ala the amulet of mara or brazilian steakhouses. wear something or hold up a red or green card to indicate being open to approach and matchmaking. would a color system like traffic lights suffice?
red = do not approach
yellow = approach with caution, go fast, go slow (depends on how often you run lights)
green = open for business
flashing = WARNING WARNING WARNING INCOMING TRAIN AHEAD

>>84433643
>men and women read different books in general
KEK you people will repeat fucking anything if you think it validates your worldview. you are so right. men only read high literature like roadside picnic and the bible. women only read slop like cyclonopedia and the koran. anons read men are from mars, women are from venus and the game.

>>84433643
I think that anon might have mentioned in the post that the anon you are replying to is replying to that they were a woman two full hours ago.

>>84433659
addendum:

see
>>84433665
and
>>84433617

femanons read the posts they are replying to.

>>84432780
no thanks, id rather die.

>>84433685
Why? Is your ego so fragile that you can't handle rejection?

>>84433659
I'm not repeating anything, it's just obvious to anyone with pattern recognition who grew up playing with toy cars while girls played with dolls. Men read about science fiction, history and politics while women read about other women's sex lives or shitty YA fiction.

>>84433643
I've had a woman tell me my books looked feminist because of the titles/covers. I think some in the lineup were hearts of darkness, venus in furs, perfume, and some classics that had covers with women on them.
She read a lot herself but she was totally removed from the classic reading experience

>>84433618
Okay, let me adjust mine for your shitty entitled worldview:

I want to buy a physical copy for me to own. Not borrow. I don't want to return it. I keep it as it is good for a reread and is something I will enjoy again and again. I'm not a WEF adherent and their philosophy of forcing people to own nothing and be happy with borrowing everything like you are.

If you do not like my response to rejecting a creep like you,cry about it on your blog or reee about it on /r9k/. I have the right to be out in public. You have the gall to.talk about morals all while not respecting a person's wish for you to not bother her. A moral person would not be sperging out and acting entitled like you are doing.

>ebooks
Brainlet tier. Studies show reading a physical copy of the book improves neuron activity via association. Tbe physical touching, turning of the page, smell, etc. has been linked to cognitive improvement. Ebooks are good for sampling and doing an inital read.

>kindle
Annas Archive exists. I only buy when I enjoy the book or when I want to finish it via hard copy. I read around 80 new books a year, and uduslly 10 rereads which are physical copies I own.

>Amazon
Yes, and get crappy used ones when you selected new. Then the 10 or so times they sent the wrong book. I want to go to the store and pick it up same day and read. Not wait for the delivery person to drop it off. I want to know what I am getting. You can go ahead and take that gamble from the seller GHSNKGDB from China.

Your entire post is cope from being rejected and blaming others for your response to it. An actual gentleman like your grandfather's generation would understand that she did not want to be bothered and leave. He wouldn't sulk about like you do. Now, quit crying and acting like a spoil brat. Or, are you that much of a WEF slave and borrow your future devices which you browse 4chan to have meltdowns because a girl is not interested in you.

>>84433712
Naturally. Men and women have different tastes in reading material due to their innate biological differences. Can anyone even name an authoress of a great work of literature? No woman out there can conceptualize the male perspective as they lack the theory of mind and inherent agentic nature. Could a woman create someone like Hercule Poirot or the Scarlet Pimpernel? Has a woman ever written anything of note in the science fiction genre? I think not, for obvious reasons.

>>84433704
no, its not that. its just not worthy. i already know what they are going to say and think towards someone like me. also, i wouldnt want to inflate their ego more than it already is, they probably already get lots of compliments and attention, i would just be a drop in the ocean.

couldn't help but feel as though they mostly want leaving alone though, or maybe they find it endearing.

>>84433734
>Le a room of one's own worldview
Funnily enough, no woman you could ever meet irl has read it.

>>84433727
oh wow, that really made you mad huh? tl;dr but hey, idiot, here are some of my own tl;dr for you to mock

>>84432831
>>84432919
>>84432957
>>84433048

you might note the repeated defense of the woman in these scenarios and the mention of wearing a dress, in addition to trying to brute force these anons to see women as human. i can see why they fail to do so with you. did you feel empowered writing your tantrum screed to someone you assumed was an incel chud behind a keyboard? your emotionality betrays your degeneracy. this behavior is a stain upon our sex, cister. it is cister, correct?

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>>84432780
ive been going to bookstores and libraries all my life and ive never seen a woman my age in them. I spent idk how many hours in high school and early uni sutting and reading at the library while waiting for a bus/train. 90% of people i saw in the library were 50+ year olds, with a few dudes my age. 0 women under 30. I was even in the book club for about 5 years. It was all 40+ year old wine aunts and faggy or autistic nerdy guys.

This has always been my main issue with women - i don't meet them anywhere. What are hobbies that young single women do? They aren't in choirs, libraries, dance classes (only girls there were with their boyfriends), cooking classes, language classes, church and church activities. What the fuck do they do all day? I have also been going to classical and jazz concerts for most of my life, mostly alone, i am always the youngest eprson there by a margin of 15 years. Most of the time i get old people commenting on me being there while so young (im not young im 23)

>>84433761
thats crazy. i wonder if there are women in this thread right now who have read it. have YOU read three guineas, on being ill, street haunting: a london adventure, mrs dalloway, a haunted house, professions for women, on fiction, women and writing, or orlando?

>>84433773
>(im not young im 23)
chat does bruh know

>>84433734
>Can anyone even name an authoress of a great work of literature?
Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged), Harper Lee (To Kill a Mockingbird), Laura Ingalls Wilder (Little House on the Prairie), and Louisa May Alcott (Little Women), but I don't know that most modern women would be interested in reading those books. Needless to say I can think of many more male authors in contrast.

>>84433777
No, no, maybe, yes, no, no, yes, yes, yes.
I've always been a fan of others though, for both substance and style. It is just great when compared to post war feminist writing.

>>84433791
Anon... the hercule poirot stuff shouldve ticked you off.

>>84433777
>>84433793
Ah sorry, switch my reply to street haunting and haunted house. Not that it matters much since it's a maybe.
Irregardless, the theory as could be read in her "room" has not been proven in the past century. Started with a wrong premise.

>>84433796
Do you mean tipped me off? To what?

>>84433724
You meant Heart of Darkness and Perfume: Story of a Murderer? Venus in Furs is centered around female domination and male submission, specifically masochism (duh). As a work of erotic literature, it can be argued as transgressively feminist as Juliette by de Sade. Anais Nin, Marguerite Dumas, or Clarice Lispector would be more appropriate corollaries. Maybe Jeanette Winterson or Isabelle Allende. Forugh Farrokhzad and Mirabai for poetry.

>>84433764
Oh wow, you are mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have a spergout like the autist you are and refuse to read my post which addresses your reply. Just refusing to read shows your nature. You defending some one is irrelevent. You replied to me, thus that post is the relevent one. You assumed stuff about me then have the gall to hate it when the same is done unto you. You bring up emotionality, yet your initial reply to me shows that same thing.

No one wants you. Seethe, mald, cope.

>>84433808
The snark

>>84433810
kek, ante baka? tell me more to seethe, mald, and cope. i can go ahead and schlick this clit to it. right back at ya with coping and dilating babe. try having fun on the internet instead of reacting to everything in a haze of emotion sometime. i can only assume it is your time of the month. midol and a microwavable heating pad, girlypop.

>>84433159
>Those men from 15 years ago are still around and we are still fucking those women you can only fantasize about
If these same men are still having casual sex, they're only getting old and fat ugly bitches. Get real

>>84433399
The point is that the poster I replied to is out of touch because it's not 2010 anymore. Modern dating culture absolutely affects millenioids and gen x too

>>84433813
Well, I've never heard of either of those books and I only know Agatha Christie from And Then There Were None, so your snark was lost on me and just because women authored those books doesn't necessarily mean that women of today read those books.

>>84433809
The books themselves were unknown to her, but she went by "vibes" alone, title and cover. And it's not as if what she read was just smut either (though she had some) she loved to read murderer case studies. The entire reading experience diverts.

And ehh I wouldn't say benus in purrs is feminist, precisely because of the unraveling of relationships that follows.
I'd even argue it is antifeminist. Though it wasn't really a big consideration when it was written.

>>84433810
>>84433818
oh and btw where in this chain of conversation did i say anything about anyone wanting me? i was clearly laughing at the absurdity of you not knowing how to properly use the internet for acquiring books. absolutely everything you said in your breakdown was incorrect and proof of your own ineptitude not only in regular literacy but financial as well. somehow *i* have never had a problem with <$5 academic nonfiction from used bookstores being lost in the mail, all 3000 hardcovers and paperbacks! why would i bother addressing your lack of argument about the superiority of consooooming reading in the most moneyminfunmaxxed format when you are rubbing yourself in superiority to the idea that reading ink on dead trees makes you better than reading pixels on a screen? did you print off this exchange to read it? i hope you did. i would love to peer edit the editing i can only assume you have already done in red ink. of course you are attempting to deflect and justify your absurd stance that the only people that can ever agree with you in anything other than sucking your labia, princess, are those whom you have decided are your ideological enemies and scum unworthy of life. well, the feeling is mutual in this case but for far more personal reasons. i am a smug, arrogant cunt. you are just a regular one.

>>84433827
I didnt write that comment, just saying that the "a woman could never write [mentions things women did write]" is supposed to be snark.

>>84433818
Cool, you go do that. Also, practice what you preach when you say
>reacting to everything in a haze of emotion
considering that was your reaction to my post.

>schlick this clit
The mutilated head of your penis is not a clit.

>>84433831
>she loved to read murderer case studies
Women are such shameless hybristophiliacs, true crime fanatics.

>>84432780
My local book store is male only as it caters to military,history,religion,diy eletrical engineering and political chuds with not a single novel soienc fiction or otherwise in sight.

>>84433842
So you're just making things up in your head and replying to them, huh?

>>84433854
>Could a woman create someone like Hercule Poirot or the Scarlet Pimpernel? >>84433734

>>84433849
It made it more surreal. They had the same dedication and detail of books on ww2 battles

>>84433659
ive only met three women in my entire life who had read any literature that wasnt paperback shovelware bestseller 21st century slop. they were all lesbians. if a woman has read joyce or chaucer there is a 90% chance she is a lesbian. and this is my experience as a lifelong bookworm and library dweller.

>>84433827
>Hercule Poirot is a recurring fictional Belgian detective created by the English writer Agatha Christie. Poirot is Christie's most famous and longest-running character, appearing in 33 novels, two plays (Black Coffee and Alibi) and 51 short stories published between 1920 and 1975.

>The Scarlet Pimpernel is the first novel in a series of historical fiction novels by Baroness Orczy, published in 1905. Orczy's premise of a daring hero who cultivates a secret identity disguised by a meek or ineffectual manner proved enduring. Zorro, Doctor Syn, the Shadow, the Spider, the Green Hornet, the Phantom, Superman and Batman followed within a few decades, and the trope remains a popular one in serial fiction today. Marvel Comics co-creator Stan Lee, who had read Scarlet Pimpernel stories as a child, said that their protagonist was "the first character who could be called a superhero."

>Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus is an 1818 Gothic novel[a] written by English author Mary Shelley. Frankenstein tells the story of Victor Frankenstein, a young scientist who creates a sapient creature from different body parts in an unorthodox scientific experiment. Frankenstein is one of the best-known works of English literature. Infused with elements of the Gothic novel and the Romantic movement, it has had a considerable influence on literature and on popular culture, spawning a complete genre of horror stories, films, and plays.

ITT: pseuds act like psueds again.

>>84433827
>>84433884
>>84433827
>Enheduanna was the entu(high) priestess of the moon god Nanna (Sin) in the Sumerian city-state of Ur in the reign of her father, Sargon of Akkad (r.c.2334- c.2279 BCE). She was likely appointed by her father as the leader of the religious group at Ur to cement ties between the Akkadian religion of her father and the native Sumerian religion. Enheduanna has been celebrated as the earliest known named author in world history.

>The Tale of Genji, written by Murasaki Shikibu in the early 11th century, is a masterpiece of Japanese literature often called the world's first novel, chronicling the life and romantic exploits of Hikaru Genji, the "Shining Prince," in the Heian court.

yeah, they just read the entire genres and formats they pioneered. was your lack of knowledge supposed to be anything other than an indictment of your own ignorance, big boy?

>>84433844
straight to tranny after incel chud, tsk tsk. i see why they call you femcels. you are functionally identical to incels though your attitude is reversed. i can openly call myself a cunt and incels will happily issue the standard rape and death threats. you think you are morally above doing such a thing to another woman and another one would never do it to you. well i am not. cunt.

>>84433854
its gonna blow your mind to realize people can type differently across comments

>>84433880
thats great man

>>84433889
you almost made that look like a phd joke, good job

>>84433889
i went through the phase of weeping about being a pseud until i started interacting with people in uni and realised i was right all along and people.who engage with ANY interest or hobby at a beyond-surface level are 1 in 100. there are millions upon millions of self described "avid movie watchers" who only watch oscar nominated films from the past 10 years or blockbuster shit, just like there are millions of "book girlies" who read ai generated romance slop written by martha jenna nora roberts or some other boilerplate name. You CANNOT get through to normies by talling about their favourite movies/books/hobbies, because if there is any overlap,with your interests you will absolutely mog them with your knowledge, they will feel intimidated, you will feel embarrassed, the conversation dies out and you both feel awkward

>>84433611
I don't care, I was just pointing it out.
>>84433629
Merely talking about rules, it doesn't matter.

>>84433809
Whoops. Was so caught up in the fun of correcting titles I fucked up
>Isabel Allende
>Marguerite Duras

>>84433831
You could argue most transgressive erotic art is either feminist or antifeminist. That would be a massive part of queer feminist literary theory. Is The Story of O feminist for being written by Anne Desclos as an expression of her own sexuality or antifeminist for being about the sexual slavery of women? Was Simone de Beauvoir a polyamorous ethical nonmonogamy pioneer for her nonexclusive relationship with Jean-Paul Sartre or was she a pickme proto-Ghislaine to his Jeffrey for grooming young female students for him? Are Germaine Greer, Pat Califia, and Irina Ionesco pedophilic freaks of their own accord or because they are handmaidens of the patriarchy? Did Anne Sexton girlboss too close to the sun by sexually abusing her daughter or is mother-daughter childhood incest a valid expression of female homosocial affection and an extension of lesbian continuum theory pioneered by Adrienne Rich? Is that more or less fucked up than Anais Nin fucking her dad and Sylvia Plath wanting to? Discuss amongst yourselves!

>>84433907
well thank fucking god we have 4chenz to talk as autistically as wed like then

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If she's not in the manga/light novel section I'm not interested.

>>84434241
What exactly is a light novel desu

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>>84434270
Entertainment fiction with anime illustrations.

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>>84432780
Imagine how many guys she rejects a day just to go home and give it all to one man. Brutal.

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>>84434241
>he needs pictures in order to read

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>>84434436
1) Western novels often have cover illustrations. They're also often inconsistent or ugly.
2) 4-8 Illustrations throughout a book greatly enhance it.

>>84434299
Okay. But how is that not manga. Not sure why they are different here.

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>>84434472
Light novels have a handful, usually 4-8, illustrations throughout a book. Following a consistent and professional art style.

Compare this to Western cover illustrations and the lack of insert illustrations.

>>84434465
>cover illustrations
Just the cover. Manga is a
picture book. You need pictures in order to read. Do you have aphantasia by any chance?

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>>84434505
I mostly read light novels but there's nothing wrong with manga. It's better than most Western books even as a visual medium with a lower word count.

>Cold approach women at your local book store.
No. Leave me alone.

>>84432780
No ring on her finger. Go for it. Also, horizontal stripes are a "look at me" choice for women, normally they don't like it because it "makes them look fat" so choosing it means "look at my tits and ass".

>>84432780
there is nothing but women's smut in bookstores now, so why would I ever go there except to be performative?

>>84432780
>h-hi ma-miss w-what book a-are you r-readin' ... ?
>oh um hiii, I'm reading Morning Glory Milking Farm. What about you? What books are you reading.
>uhhh... I-I don't r-really read o-often
>oh ok? I'm calling the police of you don't leave me alone. ok?
>s-sorry, y-you too.
yeah I don't think I will.

>>84432780
she's into asian men who don't read

"Yo she-bitch!"
Slaps her ass
>Boioioioioioioioiong
Slaps her ass again
>Boioioioioioioioiong
>Hahahahah
>Anyways, you've seen any books about hitler around here? Maybe some about sandy-hook perhaps? You know that sort of stuff really interests me, just something about the dichotomy of it all, did it or did it not happen, it all just gets me going... W-What do I think about it?... Uhhh... I think it's all bullshit really, orchestrated by the democrats to get obama a second term hahahah, damn lying bastards... Can I eat your pussy?

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You guys are so fucking stupid worrying about her reading female oriented books. That's the conversation right there. Ask her about her specific taste and what girls like her are into at the moment.

The art of seduction book talks about this. When trying to win someone over you don't project yourself onto them, you take an interest in them and what they like/need.

>>84432837
Use these strategies.
>FORD
>family, occupation, recreation, dreams
>SWOT
>strengths, weaknesses, obstacles, threats
>time, frequency, place

Keeping this in mind will allow you to have a 99% normal conversation with minimal awkward moments.

>>84435415
It always amazes me what some people need self-help books for. You really needed someone to tell you that other people appreciate it when you show interest in them? You needed a 200 page guide to understand that people enjoy talking about the things that they like?

>>84435693
>You really needed someone to tell you that other people appreciate it when you show interest in them?
Yes. You expect too much from people, we are self absorbed by nature. That's why seducers are outliers.

>>84432786
>i-is that... a female of the species?
>AAAAHHH I'M GOING INSANE SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

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>>84435722
Its because we desire them so much but can't have them.

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>>84432780
>Rashomon
Is that related to Akira Kurosawa's film?

>>84432786
You know you can just get jacked and looksmaxx as much as possible and then you'll be the object of desire for sub 7/10 women in public?

8+ will never look your way twice but you get plenty of flirty looks and even approaches from cute 6s and 7s.

>>84435754
Getting fit will not get you pussy if you're not chad. To women you're just a fit average guy.

>>84435782
This. I trained for years to get good muscle mass while maintaining visible abs and I went from getting 0 women to getting 0 women.
If you are fat and losing weight reveals better facial traits hidden below flab, that's really the only different it makes.

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>>84435782
It definitely gets you a lot of female attention in public and in dating apps. My body count is in the 30s and it's all 6s and 7s, a couple of 8s and 9s. And I have an average face with a slightly fit body, that's all. 5"11 too so not tall, 155 lbs so not big.

Look lean and have nice biceps with a tight T shirt on, and take care of your hair/beard and dress decently. Once a woman is into you physically the game is already won, just don't be mega autistic when talking to her.

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>>84435832
I'm in such great shape people think I'm an athlete, yet I'm a 34 year old virgin. I can't stress enough how much women do not care about muscles and fitness. Its face, height money, dick size and status.

>>84435859
Pretty much. I have dudes tell me I'm shredded and people look at me when I'm shirtless because it's very rare to see dudes with abs here, especially if they clearly lift, but it hasn't done much more than that.
>t. also in the over 30 virgin club

>>84435884
I'll be honest dude if you're jacked and average height or more and still a virgin you have a mental block or your standards are too high.

You can absolutely go and fuck an average woman on your looks alone. Charisma, fashion, intelligence, money, etc are all extra variables you need when you wanna fuck a 7+, but if it's a 5 or 6, decent looks are enough.

You're simply not trying. You could pick up a drunk chick tonight.

>>84435910
>I'll be honest dude if you're jacked and average height or more and still a virgin you have a mental block or your standards are too high.
No, its hoeflation. You don't get it because something is working for you, whatever that may be, but being fit means nothing these days.

>You could pick up a drunk chick tonight.
There's high standards then there is no standards. Yeah I could fuck a dead dog too, so what?

>>84432780
>Get banned from your local bookstore

>>84435910
How old are you anyway? I'm past the point I think it matters much since I'm visibly in my 30s and most older women aren't looking to fuck around and gen z girls don't like older guys, let alone virgins.
I've tried different strategies and do go to bars often enough, but think I'm off putting. It took getting rejected by a single mom who I thought was into me and I went after for a year to kinda lose a lot of hope I had.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think being fit is a bad thing, just it won't change things if you're already striking out hard.

>>84435958
I'm turning 29 in June. I lost my virginity at 23 with my gf at the time, which lasted 3 years. Then I got into two other long term relationships since. I've only started fucking other women in the last 2-3 years, and mainly in the last year (20+ in the last year) since it's the most I've been single since I started dating.

Of course looking young helps since youth = handsome, but there's a market for the older mature look too. I've fucked a lot of 18-21yos because they find the age difference hot.

It's not like I can't relate since I was a khhv until 23 but being so far removed from that time period now and having so many experiences with women I can only say that you guys make mountains out of molehills. Yes some people are just unfuckable but most average guys can get laid easily. Women are unironically really easy to the point I can just shoot a message to 20 random girls saying "I'm gonna make you mine tonight" or some bullshit like that, and one will probably say yes.

>>84432780
>cold approaching women who read murder fantasy books

>>84435849
You do not get 30 bitches with this body, liar.

yeah, cold approach the fat women buying werewolf gangrape books. that sounds like an awesome experience.

>>84436029
I think I'd agree with you to an extent that there are a lot of people here who want to complain and not get over their issues and reject any advice strangers give them.

I admit you're probably right to a significant degree, with the caveat that I don't think losing virginity on a hookup is that viable, especially at 30+ years old. I always assumed if I ever got one girlfriend, even if things didn't workout something would probably click and it would be easier to deal with women as a whole. So maybe it is a cognitive block as you said, just not one easily reversed and getting a girl to date you the first time is hard if you've never done it.

>>84436113
Yeah like the average robot is also not a fat fuck porn addict

>>84433894
>was your lack of knowledge supposed to be anything other than an indictment of your own ignorance, big boy?
No, because I really don't care as much as you seem to. Go flick your bean or something, no one likes a bitch.

>>84435722
This, but unironically
askmfgioajgiuajdufgi 1111

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Sitting back reading through ITT for amusement

>>84433648
There's already The Flower Code. A woman wearing a flower behind her right ear signals she is single and available for flirting. Left ear obviously means dating/married/don't flirt with me.

>>84436813
>height poster once again bringing it up in a thread no one said anything about it

>>84437039
>Implying women haven't proven that height is a factor when cold approaching them

>>84437045
It's a factor, but it doesn't magically solve all your problems. The most successful person in this thread is under 6 feet tall.

>>84432780
Yes

>>84435849
You shouldn do better than 6s m8 get some standards

>>84436082
I got over 50 girls in my time with a dad bod. You zoomers are way to cooked from the internet women really dont need you to look perfect

>>84437039
>>84437062
You're unironically retarded if that's what you got out of the meme image

>>84432780
I will never approach.

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>going to a bookstore for girls
>approaching when minding her own business
>overanalyze and overcomplicate women
When will this ever end? No wonder women are flocking to 4B and dropping out of dating like crazy.

>>84437625
oh no, people are talking to me in public! better bitch about it online to make sure everyone knows i would be just as unpleasant in person! be standoffish if you dont want people near you.

>>84437625
No women who goes outside even know what you're talking about.

>>84437730
It is unpleasant and it's annoying. If you want a date, start by getting friends. Not this
>doing [x] for girls
Like autists do such as:
>lifting for girls
>getting a hobby for girls
>going to church for girls
>reading books for girls

>>84434488
Oh. Sounds like traditional Western novels then. Most had illustration plates around that many amounts and were serialized in papers and traded in libraries in small volumes so that more people could read it at a time in chunks through to about the early 1900s. Clearly this is the preferred way for most people to read even with literacy if the history of illuminated manuscripts and marginalia are anything to go by, as opposed to The Great American Novel of 850 pages of an English professor having a mid life crisis and fucking a student. Shouldnt have gassed up Ulysses and Steppenwolf up so much along with the entire genres of bildungsroman and multigenerational epics. Crime and Punishment, The Brothers Karamazov, and Les Miserables get passes for being enjoyable.

Novels like Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre often have illustrated editions like this. It is one of the primary avenues for illustrators online to expand their portfolio, but in the West you only really see it with classic works. In Eastern Europe and Russia specifically you see them create these all the time, and so do Japan, China, and Korea. Many of my favorite artists have illustration portfolios with work like this, but in America and Western Europe they are relegated to traditional fairy tales and classic novels. At best they can capture the online demographic with fanart for various works of media, but those are primarily television shows, anime, and video games. I wonder what the cultural discrepancy is here. A larger emphasis on the written word and a lack of ill-advised federal intervention in literacy rates by dropping the teaching of phonics and adopting whole language contextual guessing instead? A move that sure did make the core more common. Child left behind indeed.

>>84434746
>>84435251
>>84435336
regrettable that your presence on a site filled with masturbation material implies you are still capable of breeding. at least it means your genetic material is being properly wasted into your own hand instead of a cumdumpsters cumdump.
>>84435415
is right but so is >>84435693 for laughing that this needs to be explained. given that the entire first third of this thread was devoted to sharing this exact advice while the illiterate demanded an ai-generated dating sim script to repeat verbatim in what was definitely NOT a bad faith trap, just someone who has never once seen or heard people talk before in their life!, it seems blatantly obvious that apparently seduction manuals are necessary. if the puas had won the culture wars perhaps everyone would at least be a bit happier from getting regularly laid.

>>84432780
imagine putting effort into strangers

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>>84435736
Yes, the Kurosawa 1960 film was based on the story In a Grove by Ryunosuke Akutagawa though the kimono theft and title are taken from his other story Rashomon. The book in the image is a Penguin collection of 18 of stories by Akutagawa with an introductory segment by Haruki Murakami.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/rashomon-and-seventeen-other-stories-ryunosuke-akutagawa/1007954423

>>84437774
yeah, the problem here is the lack of personality exhibited by men who are such complete voids themselves they cannot complete the basic mathematical logic of
>like a thing because you like it
>find someone who likes that same thing within that hobby naturally by connecting with them over it, bond, mate
and rely on manipulation sold to them by grifters accurately assessing the landscape of male market failures to get them their next paycheck. if their tactics actually worked they would have no income. men are only too happy to relay the same terrible advice to other men because it means less competition for themselves. your complaint was centered around the apparent travesty of someone coming up to talk to you in a bookstore, horror of horrors within the female experience. the terrible part isnt that. its that so many of them revert to an entitled toddler rage after their failure has become obvious even to their thick skulls that they externalize their ego humiliation by murdering the object of their affection right after. that would be why women join celibacy like 4b and 6t. they know domestic abuse and femicide rates.

>>84435832
>>84435859
>>84435884
this is the classic /fit/ meme. you get jacked and only men care and start hitting on you and congratulating you. women are the same way when another one of them gets extremely thin. both sexes are baffled that abiding by what their homosocial groups told them would award status within them by altering their bodies did not translate into higher status within the opposite sex, only the same.

>>84436150
am i supposed to give a fuck what you do or dont like on 4chan, bitchboy? bark like a dog.
>i never cared!
the retreat of every idiot and coward in the world. i wonder what it is you do care about.

>>84437001
never heard of that in my life + that was an obvious joke + if you want to be serious yes half of the joke was that almost every traditional culture in the world has some sort of method for this exact process. most are determined by hair styling (braids and elaborate head adornments tend to be for brides and married women with loose hair indicating maidenhood), what patterns or jewelry a woman wears (sometimes colors), what kind of tattoos she has (especially in certain indigenous cultures), etc. in almost every society the delineation for female maturation is at the onset of menarche with her status changing from that of child to potential bride shortly after, though it depends on time and place to what extent this is immediate (child marriage) or later in life (medieval europe would delay into the early 20s). class and status played a large role as well, as to maintain or cement alliances marriages were arranged in childhood by sovereigns so their barely pubescent daughter might be officially betrothed or married but not consummated until her pelvis had widened enough for safe childbirth (early maternal death is a bad return on investment in noble daughters), and peasants would marry later as they needed the female labor for their family of origin more than they needed her to be enriching another man under coverture. even in america through the 1950s and 60s flagging was common, but it decreased significantly as aesthetic appearance and social performance became less formalized especially from the 1970s (the last real attempt to contain it colliding with the nascent second wave feminist movement) onward, and coded flagging became associated with back pocket handkerchief codes of gay men cruising and hysteria over urban legends like rainbow parties and rubber bracelets meaning blowjobs.

>>84437082
Why is 7+ what you consider having standards when 5 would be the average on a bell curve?

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>>84438017
Being fit just isn't as important as people make it out to be. There are certain traits that immediately put men in a special category, like being tall or rich. Fitness doesn't do that though, fitness only maximizes your looks potential, which means little if you are still a 5/6 who is 5'8.

>>84438285
arguably i would say fitness can also reduce your atttactiveness level depending on your sex, level and type of fitness, and any co-morbidities from anything you might do to achieve or maintain that level of fitness. for instance, i think that while most people would find your picture more attractive than a morbidly obese woman, they would also find her level of abdominal and arm musculature to be offputting and would find her more attractive if her focus was lean flexibility and agility rather than pure core and upper body strength, which are associated with men. there are also the hormonal shifts to consider from both anatomical and behavioral angles. high test men and women behave very differently from high est men and women, and not always for the better. roiding of course leads to rage, ed, and hair loss and acne and epidermis composition change as well. being fit tends to make you look older while fat (when not excessive) retains youth, but weight loss also ages you. everything about looksmaxxing is a tradeoff rather than a binary operation like people assume.

and personally, i agree that being naturally tall or born into wealth elevates starting status significantly, but that if those were enough to carry men you would not see the particular psychological profile of, say, wealthy modern tech founders who are fixated on improving their attractiveness, proving their virility, and increasing longevity. if the wealth from emerald mines and paypal had been enough to begin with, what explains the behavior of elon musk? what of mark zuckerberg with facebooks success? to say nothing of the thiel acolytes in silicon valley or the odd intersection of radicalized trad pseudoalpha male with betabucks tech whiz kid that has shifted tech networking strata from smug left-libertarian/liberal atheism to conservative evangelicalism. everything is compensation and control, chasing lost fantasies of youth. no wonder so many turn out to be abusecels.

>>84434746
She only wants black men to approach her timmy.

>>84433159
Dating costs money. Everyone is broke and stressed out.

I have literally never seen anyone ask anyone out in public.

>>84439601
Same. It's considered extremely unusual, even in the best of times. Nowadays it's pretty much equivalent to playing with UXO.

>>84439601
I've seen exactly one person try to flirt in public

It was a fat middle aged guy trying to rizz up my fat middle aged coworker at work, who is married and clearly wasn't interested regardless

>>84439601
i get it pretty often and have since 14. always men working behind the counter at restaurants for some reason.

>>84439654
If their managers caught them they'd be toast

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>>84432780
Although I like to read, book stores trigger me, sorry. She can cold approach me on my autism walk if she likes.

>>84432780
There isn't a single girl my age in public anywhere, it's all either karens or geriatrics

>>84439601
Been asked out many times. I wear a fake ring for this reason.

>>84439654
>and have since 14.
and men have the gall to think they deserve to live

>>84439762
Have you thought about moving to your local whoretropolis, chud?

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>>84432780
>Cold approach women at your local book store.
Well it's been decades since I've done anything like that, but back in the nineties I would have said "Niiiiiiice boots!" and when she turned around I'd give her a friendly smile and say "Whatcha' reading there?"

Now in this scenario I'd have a bit of an advantage over most of you, because back in those pre-internet days we all read a lot more books, and looking at OP's image I'm surprised to notice that I've actually read a lot of the books shown in the photo. I can't make out the book in her hands, but the one at eye level is "The Fall of the House of Usher" so it's a collection of short stories by Edgar Allen Poe. If she happens to be looking at another collection of Edgar Allen Poe stories I'd say "Are you a fan of Poe? What's your favourite story of his? I think mine is The Cask of Amontillado, or maybe The Masque of the Red Death." Make sure to look directly into her eyes the entire time you're talking, and keep smiling and speaking in a friendly, relaxed conversational tone.

In any case, when she told me what book she was looking at I'd either say "Oh, I loved that one" or "I haven't read that one, but I loved (other book by same author) or if I had no idea what the book was I'd say, "Oh, any good?" and then as soon as possible I'd say "I'm Anon, by the way" and hold out my hand for a handshake. At this point she would most likely say "Hi Anon, I'm Nona" to which you reply "Nice to meet you Nona!" as you shake her hand.

From OP's photo I've already noticed that this girl is wearing a very tight dress paired with big chunky boots, and the fact that she's browsing in a section of the store full of gothic romances implies that this girl thinks of herself as a bit alt. So you might want to say something like "Have I seen you at (insert name of local gothic nightclub or artsy cafe, assuming those things still exist in 2026. Whatever place the cool weirdos hang at nowadays, you know what I mean.(cont.)

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>>84439930
[continued]
If she says she DOES go to the place you just mentioned you say "Oh cool, I'm actually going there tonight" (if it's a club) or "Cool, I was going to head there after the bookstore to get a coffee" (if it's a cafe). In either case you say "Would you like to come with me?" If she says yes to go clubbing with you, you say "great, I should probably get your number" and then say you'll pick her up at whatever time. If she says yes to going to a cafe with you, you can hang out and chit chat about books, then ask if she'd like to go out for drinks, then get her number.

An important point to note is that SUCCESS IS NOT GUARANTEED! She could have a boyfriend, a husband and kids, she could be on the rag and hates men at that moment, or a hundred other reasons why even if you do everything right she could at any point decline to take things further than saying hi in a bookstore. But that's the thing about approaching women, if you don't do it you'll never get one. If you do it enough times it will eventually pay off. You only live once so you should give it a shot.

>>84433734
>>84433777
>virginia woolf
>the scarlet pimpernel
Nice, have you read anything by proust or sylvia plath? also would you be willing 2 talk on discord (ma namez captainkirk9327

>>84439930
>>84440018
And what do you have to show for it? You're posting on /r9k/ like the rest of us losers.

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>>84440023
>Nice, have you read anything by proust or sylvia plath?
No, any good?

>also would you be willing 2 talk on discord
I've never been able to figure out the purpose of Discord. Apparently you have to join servers or something?

>>84440109
>And what do you have to show for it? You're posting on /r9k/ like the rest of us losers.
What do I have to show for it? Two grown children and many sordid memories of past romances. Could be worse I suppose.

I'd like to point out that I was never what you'd call a Chad, in fact I was an incel all through high school. It wasn't until a year after graduation that I ditched the coke-bottle glasses for contact lenses and adopted a trendy hairstyle that I went from undateable dork to demichad. As I'm just under 5'9" I'd say I was playing on Hard Mode.

>>84440222
>All it took for him to go from incel to "demichad" was contacts and a haircut

Fuck right off normie

>>84440222
If you were of dating age back in the 90s then you were playing on easy mode.

>>84439665
i think some of them are the managers honestly. i tend to avoid places where it happens until it seems likely the staff have cycled through
>>84439922
i dont know why you said this. i have looked 20 my entire life. if i had mentioned the fact that this kept happening in my catholic school uniform your response would have been more cutting.

>>84435754
You can not go to the gym to fix your face

>>84440234
>Fuck right off normie
Ha ha, okay. If you're bragging that you're so revolting to look at that nothing could improve your appearance to the point where a woman would date you I'll gladly say "Okay you win, you're a bigger loser than I ever was. Happy now?"

>>84440236
>If you were of dating age back in the 90s then you were playing on easy mode.
I'm genuinely interested to know why you think that, please explain it to me.

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>>84440249
>i tend to avoid places where it happens until it seems likely the staff have cycled through
I'ma guy and had to do this when a gay guy was coming on to me.

>>84440273
>I'm genuinely interested to know why you think that, please explain it to me.
Not him but social media changed a lot. Every mid woman walks around knowing she has endless dick available to her, so regular men hitting on them means nothing now. The rejection rate for cold approach now is like 95%, and that number comes from the guys who actually do it.

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>>84440222
>it's another Gen X election tourist who's going to be spending the rest of his life on 4chan and facebook episode

>>84440222
I think that response was quoting my posts, anon, but I appreciate your ballsiness in interjecting yourself regardless and disliking Discord. I am the same.
>>84440023
Never been particularly interested in Proust, I have read The Bell Jar and some of her poetry and diary entries. I have her unabridged journals, Johnny Panic and the Bible of Dreams, and Collected Poems to read at the moment as well as Pain Parties Work which is about her 1953 summer in NY, and Wintering by Kate Moses which fictionalizes a portion of her life after her failed marriage to Ted Hughes, whom I despise. I made a Plath joke earlier >>84434003 when correcting my previous post >>84433809. I need to go actually post on /lit/ but they move so fucking slow.

Do you have any particular authors or genres you prefer? I tend to lean towards scifi/speculative, horror, and weird fiction but prefer experimental works that blend genres or nonfiction. Funny, I just opened the wiki page to see what subgenres Snow Crash was technically considered and saw
>Stephenson has also mentioned that Julian Jaynes' book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind was one of the main influences on Snow Crash.
Been staring at that in my library next to the Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Torture and The Corpse Exhibition and Other Stories of Iraq since the first season of Westworld came out in 2016 and discussing bicameral mentality theory was culturally relevant. I need to get around to reading those properly.

>>84440279
i imagine it is similarly annoying. do they follow you around places? some jackass followed me from a parking lot into the store screaming some WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME bullshit all the way the bathroom apparently. i had earbuds in listening to a lecture and assumed he was just walking inside too and talking to someone on the phone but he kept laughing and getting more aggro. had a vest on too so i know he worked there. hope that moron got fired for doing that in front of his coworkers.

>>84440288
regular men hitting on them always meant nothing and cold approaches were always extremely high rejection rates pursued only by the desperate which only the desperate accepted. sorry to be the one to inform you romcoms lied about meetcutes past the age of 21. this is why your seduction artists have always split between stressing quality and persistence and stressing that it is a numbers game.

>>84432780
Her legs are fucking TINY!

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>>84440288
>Every mid woman walks around knowing she has endless dick available to her
Most women are not on dating apps. If they were, the ratio of men to women on dating apps wouldn't be so skewed in women's favour. In any case that's like saying people won't buy anything in a store because Amazon exists.
On top of that, attractive women in the 90s (and much earlier) were well aware they had "endless dick available to them". This is hardly a new phenomenon.

>>84440310
Oh, forgot I wrote this too >>84437824 if you still wanted /lit/ circlejerking. Sorry, coming back from watching that A24 horror film Opus and lost track of which posts were which. John Malkovich does an interesting take on Kanye West but rewatching The Lure or seeing Companion for the first time would likely have been more fun, even as Murray Bartlett sure knows how to chew the scenery and Ayo Edebiri is a fine everywoman final girl stand-in. Felt very similar to The Menu with Malkovich vs Fiennes and Edebiri vs Taylor-Joy but not as creative despite trying hard to be. Nicholas Hoult had more to do and more a satisfying death than Bartlett. /blogposting in a book thread

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>>84440323
>do they follow you around places?
He wasn't aggressive, I was flattered really because he approached me with a female coworker and they both complimented me. But it was awkward seeing him knowing he was working his way towards trying to ask me out. I just find it weird being around people who like me and I don't like them back. It made me appreciate what women go through daily, they have it bad.

>>84440273
>I'm genuinely interested to know why you think that, please explain it to me.
Because the dating market back then was far more equitable and less stacked in women's favour (mainly due to the shape of the age pyramid - men date younger women so when there's a declining birth rate you have larger older cohorts all competing for an increasingly small number of women whereas with a high birth rate you have smaller older cohorts competing for a large number of women causing far less gender ratio skew) plus back then you didn't have two decades of Match Group shaping women's expectations to be absurdly picky even outside dating apps.

Additionally, women hadn't been saturated so hard into well-paying jobs so for many of them, dating meant a significant increase in material quality of life even if it meant dating someone they weren't particularly attracted to, so "betabuxxing" was a valid strategy. It isn't anymore - wealth doesn't help with dating right now unless you're actually rich.

>>84440346
>Most women are not on dating apps
They don't need to be, its the knowledge of what's available. Before social media women only had access to the men in their area who were willing to hit on them, now they know if all else fails they can play the online game and expand their options greatly. Modern women live with absolute comfort in their options, so cold approaches are just noise.

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>>84440374
>Additionally, women hadn't been saturated so hard into well-paying jobs
You do realize I was talking about the 1990s, and not the 1890s, right?

>>84440388
>Before social media women only had access to the men in their area who were willing to hit on them
anon are you aware of these mysterious and wonderful inventions
>the phone
>the computer
>the mail
>the car
>the train
>the bus
>the telegram
>war

>>84440392
Correct. Compare women's workforce participation in 1990 to their workforce participation now. It is markedly different due to thirty years of preferential higher education admissions & hiring practices. The fact that you had to descend immediately into snarky feigned ignorance suggests you don't have a counter-argument to that.

>>84440397
Ah yes, the "pretending not to understand things" gambit.

>>84440403
The classic "you cant move your king and rook past each other like that" counter

>>84440408
Are you really trying to pretend that a landline phone and a copy of the white pages gave you anywhere near comparable networking ability as modern internet social network sites?

>>84440414
Im nta i was agreeing with you

>>84432837
What book are you checking out? Do you know cool ones from *genre or author of whatever she is checking*

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>>84440400
Yeah, you're an idiot. By the 1990s virtually all women were in the workforce, same as today. The rest of your "argument" is just a bunch of bullshit defeatist justifications you tell yourself to explain why you won't talk to women. For instance;
>when there's a declining birth rate you have larger older cohorts all competing for an increasingly small number of women
There WAS a declining birthrate back then you retard, that's why there are significantly less Generation X than Baby-Boomers.
People like you will never get laid and it's not because of social media or "Larger older cohorts". It's because it's easier for you to sit at home shitposting, playing videogames, and jerking to porn than it would be to clean yourself up, go outside, and talk to women. You're exactly the same as a guy on welfare who complains about being unemployed when they've never applied for a job in their life. For fuck's sake pull yourself together! Get out there and have fun even if it's just to spite me!

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I just can't bring myself to cold approach. I can easily talk to girls if we end up talking naturally, but otherwise no. It seems to pointless because the chances of wasting my time and annoying her are so high. And whether guys realize it or not, most women don't even like being approached by men unless its the right guy, otherwise its a nuisance. My empathy is way too high to force myself on women knowing its a 90% chance she doesn't want to be bothered.

The cold approach is overall just desperate and selfish behavior.

>>84440453
The massive increase in the number of sexless men isn't because of """muh bootsraps""", boomer

>>84440403
is that what you are doing by pretending you dont know why i am bringing these up as counterevidence against your absurd claim that women prior to, apparently, 1990 only ever had access to the local male population for mates?
>>84440414
>>84440417
lol. you are so emotionally wound up and incapable of parsing the text directly in front of you you are attacking your own allies. do you not know about the history of men at sea and men at war and how migration and new technologies fuel population and mating changes? you are trying to justify your own worldview that life is hard for reasons outside of your control so you never have to take any responsibility for your own lack of initiative or agency in it. you are failing by being historically illiterate and accusing anyone who disagrees with you of responding in bad faith. are my direct insults not enough to convey how little i think of this victim mentality? do you really need to hallucinate passive aggressive mindgames when i am blatantly insulting your whining? how feminine.

>>84440463
Hm. Wonder if there was anything in the past that wiped out large portions of the male population that were not having sex. Wonder if there were ever any population booms or busts tied to it. You are complaining that you are unfucked because you are not unfucked and dead in a trench somewhere.

>>84440461
>selfish behavior.
Please, everyone is mostly selfish, especially women.

However, cold approaching doesn't work unless she finds you attractive right out the gate.

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>>84440482
Bottom line is women have become MUCH pickier now than they were even 30 years ago, and it's harder for men to get laid for many reasons

>Instead of having a dozen orbiters, women now have hundreds of men vying for their attention
>They can easily find the most attractive man in their vicinity through Instagram or other apps that they all use
>They spend less time in public, third spaces like malls are dying out
>Housing is unaffordable, a woman who lives with her parents can easily find a boyfriend but for men it's a death sentence
>Most immigrants are men, skewing the gender ratio

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>>84440516
>Please, everyone is mostly selfish, especially women.
Yeah but that doesn't mean I should add to it. I know girls don't want to be bothered so I leave them alone. And I'm right at least 95% of the time.

>>84440516
And what women find attractive depends on the woman with only certain obvious boosters like clear skin, sexually skilled, hygienic, self-assured, and financially stable being the most consistent. Every other variable can be different between women, yes, even preferred height, weight, and penis size before even getting into more specific things like race or particular aspects of attractiveness. What women universally do not want is an ugly man in poor health who smells terrible, is impotent, and will leech money off of them. Men have similar standards for women, and lesbians and gay men for their respective partners. This
>everyone should love you just as you are and NEVER change ANYTHING about yourself!
positivity/acceptance culture has been so destructive on the collective psyche. Nice idea but immediately weaponized by the laziest and most malicious contingent of society, just as any critiques of beauty standards were immediately weaponized as
>FUCK ME OR YOU HATE [X] PEOPLE
ie rape!

>>84440453
Women occupy drastically better paying and more prestigious jobs now than they did in the 1990s you braindead boomer cretin.

And are you really too stupid to understand that the longer the sub-replacement birth rate remains in effect the worse the gender skew gets?

Try dating today.
>muh wife
Don't worry you won't even get a single girl's number, just try it.

>>84440530
>that they all use
lolno. but look, i agree with your larger points about the economic disparity and worldwide population crunches. sexlessness in men is not the only or even defining feature of it. fertility rates have plummeted across the board except only in the most trad cultures for reasons we can all easily intuit. if you so desperately want to get it wet, go join one of them with all of the hierarchical bullshit that will entail with you immediately as the lowest male on the totem pole, where you will remain sexless if not entirely expendable until you have proven your utility to the prevailing men in power well enough to be granted a wife for procreation. but your insistence that this is a new phenomenon, even citing financial crises, is patently absurd. >>84440486
you are living in a time of luxury coming off two decades of constant media whining about overpopulation. has no one made this connection? two decades of OVERPOPULATION WILL KILL US ALL THE ETHICAL THING IS NOT TO BREED antinatalist culture and once the ramifications of trying to covertly implement a pseudo one child policy onto all wealthy nations worldwide started to play out in the economic sphere, everything is a push for at least replacement level? what happened to all of that horrible resource drain and destruction of the planet we were told about? didnt the anthropocene only have a few more years? werent we about to have water and electricity wars? there are many reasons for this shift in narrative. can you think of any in particular?

>>84440548
>Women occupy drastically better paying and more prestigious jobs now

Fake make-work jobs subsidized by increased prices of everything.

>>84440540
>And what women find attractive depends on the woman
That doesn't change the very low success rate though. I don't care how varied their taste are, most of us would still get rejected 99.99999999999999% of the time.

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>>84440569
>lolno

Three-quarters of young adults in the US use it

Also you probably aren't even autistic like most of us are

>>84440571
>Fake make-work jobs subsidized by increased prices of everything.
Exactly. It's jewish daycare to make sure they don't have children. A woman with a cushy six figure office job is not going to settle for a regular working man. Roll back the clock 30 years to where she would have had some shitty retail McJob and she would have immediately latched on to any regular man with a decent job so she could stay at home and have 2-3 children.

>>84440574
okay. feel free to keep telling yourself that.
>>84440589
>Also you probably aren't even autistic like most of us are
stupidest fucking comment itt, congrats

>>84440612
man how fucked is the west that you write that shit like its a good thing. we need MORE bullshit work and LESS disposable income in the economy. everyone get less financially independent and suck more autho-ri-teh cock RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>>84432837
"I require a vessel to carry my offspring."

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>>84440018
thank you kindly oh wise one

>>84432786
this we know we have zero chance and that the girl has a basic bitch personality

>>84441023
the only thing you know is that this woman has a nice ass and you would like to fuck it. you are seething at your own imagination for being turned on.

>>84440453
Holy boomer BS