Is piracy morally right?
translating o algo as ka nanika is fucked up
>>84435328if you're a poorfag teen or they're charging 100 bux for a book, sure . if you're pirating a 79 dollar game as an adult fuck off
>>84435328yeah i just pirate everything and laugh at amerifats and euros making shit for gazillionsfuck capitalist tardos
I will never pay for digital media and the creators can do nothing but seethe about it.
>>84435353Add adblock and stay off of social media, then turn your phone off unless you need to call someone, and then use a private email serverAnd then you will be free.
>>84435335you have to realize anybody pirating something never planned on paying for it in the first place, its not theft, its piracy.
What are the best torrenting clients these days
>>84435403>don't want to pay for it>still want to play itif you crack it yourself i don't give a shit about what you do
>>84435411qbittorrent and trasmission
piracy is a service problem - trixie fivetimes
>>84435328Schizobabble theory coming through. The Japanese come from a high trust society that understands the importance of laws and why they have them. They are a collective #4 on the spiral dynamics civilizational development chart. Lawless behavior baffles the Japanese because they have no theory of mind to comprehend why another Japanese would try to cheat them to begin with unless they knew that they were outcasting themselves from society or straightup demon-posessed. Similarly they are baffled by things like haggling prices, or not putting shopping carts back, etc. Whites are a mixed bag. A lot of us are #4s striving to be #5s, and a lot of #5s are striving to be #6s. White boomers temporarily had enough #6 type minds that they permitted basically every behavior because everyone's unique and special. We are still reeling from the effects of this and we were collectively knocked back down to #3s and #4s. Also, in white societies, we have permanent foreign enclaves of #2s and #3s. When weeaboos of any ethnicity is a Japanophile otaku and it isn't entirely to do with anime, I 100% think it's because they crave and desire a uniform #4 environment. It is 'low cortisol' and low anxiety as the youngsters say. You can predict the actions of people around you. You know they're thinking similarly to you. You aren't deterred by "the Japanese are racist xenophobes to outsiders" because when a Japanese scoots away from you on the subway, you're glowing internally like an Uncle Tom thinking "wow I fucking hate the non Japanese too." Xenophobia is like rain on a raincoat to a Japanophile. However, 'Auchmerophobia' is something totally foreign to the Japanese mind. When they visit Paris they fall into a state of shock and despair from encountering it for the first time.
>>84435328Why do you care whether or not its morally right? You're post racist Asian stereotypes lol
>>84435328>Is piracy morally right?Piracy is inherently ethically dubious, but I simply do not care. I will steal your digital product all fucking day long. If you have a problem with that then make it harder to pirate or make the product cheaper. Actually, don't even bother making it cheaper because I'll still pirate it. Fuck you and fuck your publisher.
>>84436275BIPOCs have a retarded ability to float abstract concepts in their mind.A white or east asian person would think "I don't want to live in a shithole, it is in my interest not to litter or streetshit". A south asian thinks "it is easy to drop the litter here" "it is easier to take a shit on the street".Being low IQ they are also more emotional, they have a retarded ability to think about their feelings, so they often don't, it becomes habitual and they react to it on impulse. This compounds their behavior further. The Indians call it "izzat", they have to litter because putting trash in the trashcan is for untouchables while they are brahmin priestly ruling class. Even though there are no untouchables picking up after them they have to put across that appearance.Furthermore consider the fact they live among each other. They learn quickly they have to keep up appearances or make themselves target for the stupid, emotional and malicious people they live amongst. It starts to become logical almost to be the most degenerate and shitty person they can possibly be.Then these people migrate to the west with its clean streets and people who look at criminals like a traumatized dog chained in someone's back yard who is aggressive towards the people trying to rescue it and think "you poor soul". Few stop and think "this is a nice place, my life will improve now" they think "these people are stupid, these people are weak" and to seal the deal you have demagogues telling them "all your problems are due to white people, slavery and colonialism that ended before anyone was born".
>>84435328japs don't replace r's with l's, retard, only l's with r's. to whoever made this meme i guess.
>>84435421How's this for a crack, bud?>*bends over, pulls my pants down, and blows sharticles into your face*
>>84435350Sounds great but how do you concentrate with your 8 brown siblings running around the favela shack?
>>84436275Looks like """high trust""" (bug hivemind) works great until your laws are made by a certain tribe. IP laws are against the natural rights of mankind.
>>84436275Whites used to have a society like this back when their countries were actually White and they hadn't been infected by marxism yet. Each year that passes, the malignant cancer cells spread further in the body of our socities.
>>84436436Without IP laws, no one would create anything, because you'd just immediately get ripped off by scammers. You'd make a product and then everyone would be copying it and making inferior versions of it to sell, not just undercutting you but making most people believe your product is shit. The concept of IP is good and only an inbred brown freak retard doesn't understand that. Now whether or not the particular implementation of current IP laws is perfect is another debate.
>>84435328I think it's morally bankrupt that in japan you can get sentenced to 10 years in prison for sharing pirated media. I don't respect copyright holders because they try to police the internet which pisses me off. I will continue running my seedbox no matter what, fuck 'em!
>>84435328i buy the same games on steam that i pirate and play on my rg28xx
>>84436498Nigga it's not 1995 anymore, most people live on the internet more than real life now. Most people have their entire lives uploaded onto the internet for big tech's databases. Of course they're going to police it.
>>84436360I think they understand second-order effects perfectly well. They probably have proverbs in their languages that transmit such information. In Japanese for example they have a saying >Speak with your back. It means to lead by example or actions speak louder than words. You can amass rapport and good social credit faster if you're seen doing good deeds, you can lose it by making it seem like it's something extraordinary for you or something you did with perfidious intent. You can be a high IQ #2 or #3, you're just really fucking annoying to your host nation then. Instead of petty thefts and rapes/murders you're defrauding the welfare system and draining the host nation's coffers. The high IQ #1 people probably discovered fire and tools. I know what izzat is and I know that the subcontinentals have some serious ingrained problems. >they think "these people are stupid, these people are weak"You basically summed it up here. They have no theory of mind to comprehend a level 4 civilization or higher. >>84436436>Looks like """high trust""" (bug hivemind) works greatIt does. It's like the baseline of a functional civilization that isn't constantly in inner turmoil or going to war. >IP laws are against the natural rights of mankind.I'm not attempting to make converts or preach, I'm just telling you why they think like they do and why others think like others do. #4 civilizations respect laws because they understand why they're there. This is when a citizen begins to feel the sense of belonging and at ease. Life makes sense and is orderly. #3 civilizations, at their best, are Imperial, full of self-interested opportunists. >>84436457Fulton Sheen gave a homily once 60 years ago that I listened to on YouTube about how in the past, nobody locked their doors or bikes.
>>84436530I'm talking about the little things like how crunchyroll specifically blacklists widevine cdms or how archives of shows 20+ years old infringe copyright despite not even being legally accessible anymore. If you live on the internet and purposefully let data harvesters soak up your data that's a you problem chud.
>>84436498I was thinking of something similar when I was downloading a font from MyFonts. My first instinct was to pirate it, but I couldn't, so I bought it. It didn't even occur to me to check what the rates were to license the font to use on a website or commercially. So I tried making a font myself based on the same source material. It was a historical typeface based on the handwriting of a Renaissance calligrapher. Picrel is the comparison. It's actually really hard lol.It would be trivial to pirate this and spread it around the internet for free, even though I paid $30 for it, because type files are tiny. But because I've been seeing this discourse on piracy from the Japanese, I've thought about it. If the designer couldn't sell it to MyFonts, he couldn't make money and he probably wouldn't make fonts to begin with. Maybe this truly is why they have nice things and we don't.
>>84436665The creator is still making money though. He doesn't lose all customers to piracy.>he probably wouldn't make fonts to begin with>what are open source or CC fonts
>>84435328Piracy is only morally wrong if you could otherwise reasonably acquire the product, if the company is not selling to you, they lose nothing in that product being offered to you by a different party/company/personThe problem is that more often than not the only way to get Japanese media is through piracy
>>84436723Actually scratch this, fuck it just pirate whatever and let the free market decide
>>84436692This guy's type foundry is 100% a for-profit enterprise and he makes good stuff. I'll probably buy his Italian Typewriter font file for monospaced text. He does make some for free, like picrel.I didn't buy it directly from him, I bought it from MyFonts. MyFonts probably bought it from him in order to sell to a wider customer base on a longer timescale. >>84436723The logic is like saying you have license to trespass on property that isn't being used reasonably per your discretion. >The problem is that more often than not the only way to get Japanese media is through piracyWhat if that's the reason the media is desirable to you in the first place?
>>84436436>IP laws are against the natural rights of mankind.That's so fucking retarded. Patents and IP came about so that your work wouldn't just be stolen by random fags and companies and you could actually profit off it, thus making invention and creation actually worthwhile. Obviously then Disney and others figured out ways to fuck with the system, but that doesn't mean IP is bad, it just means our system is fucked.
>>84436759>and he makes good stuffAs do others who are willing to share their art without profit, so clearly IP isn't the thing pushing innovation. That guy chose to sell the product. I can choose to pay.
>>84437063>give me your stuff for free because other stuff like it exists This is why we can't have nice things.
>>84437214>your stuffHe still has his font. I didn't take it from him.
>>84437214Your image doesn't work in this situation because in internet "piracy", you can make infinite copies for free. So if you were going to equate these situations, I would be able to immediately and perfectly copy the flute twice and give it to the 2 other kids for zero cost or effort on anyone's part.
>>84435328>Is piracy morally right?Yes.
>>84437214It would be injustice to the people who are sharing their work without profit to help a guy make a profit off the same thing.
>>84437250>he still has his bitcoin wallet, I just copied the key to it >the chef still has his cookbook, I just copied it >the company still has its proprietary information, I just made photocopies of it >the government still has its state secrets, I just made copies >>84437294Nobody's debating that you can't make copies of people's work. The point is just that this is why everything sucks for us and all we have is corposlop.>I would immediately and perfectly copy the flute twice and give it to the 2 other kids for zero cost or effort on anyone's part.You could steal her design and then 3D print them and then reduce the cost of labor down to nothing. This is why we don't have Stradivariuses anymore, craft is dead, etc etc.It's just the shopping cart post. >>84437302I just want the low-trust society people to be honest with themselves Be a thief, but do it honestly. Don't return the shopping cart, but don't make up some dumb rationalization for why you shouldn't return it. You on the other hand, you're actually retarded.
>>84437645All those examples and all of them sound perfectly rational. Didn't think a nigger could be this retarded.
>>84437676>>84437645Actually the bitcoin doesn't apply because if I take his bitcoin, he loses it.
damn i no longer have the attention span to even finish reading a threat here fucking pharma has melted my brain
>>84437645>the government still has its state secrets, I just made copiesThat's exactly what whistleblowers do, and they're some of the most based persons alive. Only bootlickers think the government should keep secrets from its citizens. I bet you're the kind who supported the PATRIOT act.
>>84437645>You on the other hand, you're actually retardedTranslated:>I don't have a rebuttal
>>84437744You didn't even offer a justification to rebut. You just said flatly that "it's injustice" to someone working on something as a hobby that someone else does it professionally. Tell me why that is an injustice then, stupid. >>84437676>All those examples and all of them sound perfectly rational.Right, it is rational. Like Newton figured out gravity, you can look at a nigger and think, yeah, he's probably going to steal. Thank you for understanding of why we don't have nice things and all we get is corposlop now. >>84437689He still has his bitcoin wallet, you just made copies of the key. Nothing was stolen, therefore no wrong was done, right? >>84437716>Peter Mandelson is...le based You're just being a contrarian for the sake of contrarianism Don't even bother doubling down, I don't care
>>84437807>Nothing was stolen, therefore no wrong was done, right? Yes, nothing was done wrong, until I take his bitcoin.
>>84437819I've copied your bitcoin wallet key and made a twitter post about it. If you lose anything, that's your fault. But I never stole anything so I'm not in the wrong.
>>84437807>Peter Mandelson>Ignores Snowden because he knows he can't defend his point.>Still supports the PATRIOT ActKeep licking those boots.
>>84437832That's true. You're not in the wrong. The guy who eventually does steal is.Which is why people don't sell their bitcoin key, btw. Unlike those artists and font creators.
>>84437807>Tell me why that is an injusticeBecause OSS and CC are not just hobbies. Professionals also make software open source and journalists also put their photos under CC. It's just a matter of principle. If someone thinks his art has value in of itself or only because he can sell it.If I pay the guy who is only into the art to make profits, I deter actual passionate people from making it freely available.
>>84437834Why do you hate the English, Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish so much? >>84437843I would be an accessory to the theft and would veritably be 'in the wrong' >Which is why people don't sell their bitcoin key, btw.The entire discussion was started because a company stopped selling their product You're just going to take it anyway, but why try to justify it? Thievery doesn't make society better. >>84437877>If I pay the guy who is only into the art to make profits, I deter actual passionate people from making it freely available.You mean you get more slop because you've removed the incentive structure to get better.
>>84437908>veritably be 'in the wrong' Nope. Legally, maybe, but morally not.>The entire discussion was started because a company stopped selling their product No, it started because you claimed pirating a font would lead to the creator bearing a loss, which is why he would not sell his fonts. The argument is whether piracy leads to a loss, not whether it gets people to stop selling.Sharing a bitcoin key will definitely lead to a loss (not due to the key getting stolen but because of the bitcoin getting stolen), but pirating fonts does not lead to a loss.
>>84437908Yes, me paying AAA game companies, Hollywood, and Anime studios definitely got them to innovate. Look how much better they are now than in the past. They definitely didn't just start making what sells and make the whole industry bland.
>>84437963>morally not By your actions you are the one responsible for what happened The ethnics of this are so simple a child could understand it >No, it started because youNot this thread you moron, the memes about Japanese responses to piracy >you claimed pirating a font would lead to the creator bearing a loss, I didn't say thisI said that MyFonts would have a loss, who bought the font from the creator. If there was no MyFonts, then there would be no creator.>>84437982Indeed, and you should reflect on this, that every corposlop employee of their companies now are in the positions they are in because the incentive structures for gitting gud are totally absent. People like you are the reason that media companies hire the way they do. Substantial amounts of their funding comes from absurd places like ESG scores and advertisers, and games can only be made large scale if a huge media company that can take losses are behind it. Let me guess, you like indie games? I like some of them, but they're so few and far between. You think they'd be better if there was no money in it for them? But they're already shit and they make no money. There's tens of thousands of them.
>>84438036>ummm...anime studios are making isekai upon isekai, hollywood is making capeshit upon capeshit, and game companies are making slop upon slop because of piracy OK??>it's definitely NOT that they found it's easier to sell to the lowest common denominator who is too dumb to pirate and is willing to pay for anything!!Free and open source indie games are already better than paid ones. But I bet you haven't ever played one.
>>84438036The salaries of the employees and profits of these studios are the highest they have ever been, yet there is less innovation than in the past. Curious.
>>84438064>But I bet you haven't ever played one.The only indie games that are good are the ones worth any money I know this because I paid for them I don't know why being paid a reasonable amount for work rendered is such a difficult concept>anime studios are making isekai upon isekai, hollywood is making capeshit upon capeshit, and game companies are making slop upon slop because ofBecause things that take effort don't pay as much >>84438084>The salaries of the employees and profits of these studios are the highest they have ever been, yet there is less innovation than in the past.If you sell slop to a million people for a dollar then you get a million dollars. If you sell craft to ten thousand people for a hundred dollars each, then you get a million dollars. You voted with your actions and wallet for slop, and so you got slop.
>>84438127>The only indie games that are good are the ones worth any money Lol. Like I said, you have never played an open source game.>Because things that take effort don't pay as muchExactly. Effort and quality are not related to profits. Profits can be easily generated by only catering to the lowest common denominator. Generating slop is the end game for anybody who sees art as a means to profit rather than having an inherent value that is worth sharing with others.
>>84438127I bought the games and the manga that I pirated and liked. I voted with my wallet, but it doesn't matter because one person is not enough to generate the profits that those companies are looking for.
>>84438157>Lol. Like I said, you have never played an open source game.You're so shy to name one lol. Do you not like indie games? >Generating slop is the end game for anybody who sees art as a means to profitSlop is the only thing that's going to come out of them because they're not hiring artists anyway. They hire slop people and you get their worthless fingerpaint and soap carvings. >>84438165>but it doesn't matter because one person is not enough to generate the profitsYou mean you gave a tip after you pirated their work? It doesn't really matter what the justification for it is, they're numerous, it's the end result is that our culture is comprised of people who don't put the shopping cart back. It always comes back to that screencap.
>>84438228>You mean you gave a tip after you pirated their work?How is that different from me paying and playing it? I paid what they were demanding. They made profit on that sale anyways. But even then that profit doesn't matter because it's easier putting less effort in and marking up prices to sell to retards.
>>84438228>>84438228Btw, the shopping cart example doesn't work because if you leave it, someone else has to put it back. How is me pirating a game and then buying it at full price making somebody else do my work, whatever it is in this scenario?
>>84438228Play Cataclysm or Pioneer.>Slop is the only thing that's going to come out of them because they're not hiring artists anywayYes, because they see art as a means to profit.You're twisting yourself into a knot trying to rationalize how giving money to people so that they can just churn out slop is better than just supporting people who actually care to let you enjoy their art for free and only ever ask for donations.
>>84438246By dint of analogy If I run a convenience store and you come in and just eat stuff off the shelf but then come up with it and pay with the wrapper, first of all, I don't want the precedent set that I allow this behavior, and second, how do I know you're not stealing other shit? >>84438268>the shopping cart example doesn't workIt isn't a direct 1:1 analogy to every possible trespass you can make in life.The point is that our culture is not capable of self-governance and this is why we don't get to have nice things, and you are just a small symptom of the broader problem. It's a symbol. >someone else has to put it backThis is trivial and part of the job of collecting the carts anyway. I worked at a supermarket once. They have a motorized machine that lets you push/pull two metric tons of shopping carts. >Yes, because they see art as a means to profit.You are not making art if you are untrained >You're twisting yourself into a knotWhat a simple knot, as intuitive as tying shoes >giving money to people so that they can just churn out slop is betterIt's not better, it's just a consequence of not paying for art. Art disappears then. Since the only thing that can be paid for is slop, slop takes the place of art and then people like you mistake it for art/legitimate craft. >than just supporting people who actually care to let you enjoy their art for freeIf you want to do anything creative in life, you should be able to reasonably expect a livelihood. But if you can't find employment because your traditional career paths are closed off in favor of slop, then you'll abandon your creative aspirations and then take up welding. >Play Cataclysm or Pioneer.Never heard of either. Can't find them either. The searches just take me to steam pages where they're both around $20.
>>84438393Lower half meant for >>84438322
>>84438393Again with the product analogy. Why do you guys always go back to this? Is it because you can't think outside the physical world?If I eat bread off the shelf, it is gone. If I don't pay, the owner actually loses money, because he lost the bread. This doesn't apply to digital media. The owner never loses his product. He can still sell to people and produce a profit as many times as he wants.
>>84438393>picPiracy is illegal though. I pirate because I don't believe in authority. If the state or the corporate can make me stop, they can.
Not really. In the ideal world you pay for everything you want to use because you can afford it, or have access to things similar to libraries where you can say, play vidya for a limited time for free/small fee until you return it.Piracy hurts the industry, and in a way for example with vidya is the reason the industry had to move to hostility towards the consumer with mechanics such as loot boxes and games as a service.
>>84438454The publishers are going after physical libraries too. You're so gullible and naive that you think companies wouldn't do what they're doing even if everybody was forced to pay.
>>84438436>Is it because you can't think outside the physical world?Digital things had physical world labor that went into it All of it is downstream from that, that's why you can even make analogies in the first place.>If I eat bread off the shelf, it is gone.But you paid anyway, right? So what's the point of rules and procedure? >If I don't pay, the owner actually loses money, because he lost the bread.No, you paid, you just did so after being in a brief temporary period of stealing it. You were going to pay for it anyway, so why does it matter? I'm the owner and I'm cussing you out and calling you a blackass monkey. Why, whatever for? Kek>This doesn't apply to digital media.It literally applies to everything. >He can still sell to people and produce a profit as many times as he wants.He's probably going to sell to a publisher who takes on this risk for him instead. And if the publisher expects too much risk then the creator can't sell it for as much. Sooner or later there are thinning amounts of creators because they all got jobs in bureaucracy and advertising. >>84438453This is what I mean by honesty You can just own up to it that you're bad people and this is why we have a bad society
>>84438490>following authority is good actuallySlave morality
>>84435328If you were trying to transliterate a stereotypical Asian accent, you should swap the Ls with Rs, not the other way around...
>>84438491Wow yawn, self-interested opportunism, surely that creates a society worth living in. At least we're not slaves o algo
>>84435335I am fucking right off back to 1337.to and downloading myself another overpriced vidya, and you can't stop me you whiny bitch fag nigga
>>84438502Indians are the perfect example of slave morality. They were subdued by merchants for 200 years and still call each other "sir" because they just can't let go of the idea that authority is everything.
Popular stuff is always bad. Vidya is probably the best example, when a game is made to be good they focus on making it good. But if vidya is popular they purposely make it bad. It's not worth identifying what makes it bad or why they decided to do that beyond popular + money. I hope they all starve and go homeless. If you pay for media you're reinforcing the behavior of purposely making things bad. There's also stochastic enshittification. Say for whatever reason they made a genuinely good game, if you buy the profit may be directed to making shit, so even supporting good stuff is morally wrong if it's by a studio or company.If I like something I might be inclined to throw some money at one specific person. There's no need for more than one person to make a game really. When they have like 10+ people working on something it's just plain waste. How is it some profoundly retarded autist can crank out a masterpiece in six months yet big game studio needs years and trillions of dollars and hundreds of employees to release a giant steaming pile of shit? The money should go to retardkun, not big vidya.
No one is being hurt from your piracy. If it is not niche enough and has seeders the publisher will live.
>>84438603I pretty much universally torrent games, but if I like the game and it's a small studio that has taken a stance against woke faggotry or microtransactions, then I buy the game legit to support them.
I have no money, so I pirate everything and buy my favorites
>>84438525Indian culture is self-interested opportunism The ones with a brain moan about how there is no 'civic sense' in india You are spiritually indian
>>84437302>>84437877>It's just a matter of principle. If someone thinks his art has value in of itself or only because he can sell it. If I pay the guy who is only into the art to make profits, I deter actual passionate people from making it freely available.This is the dumbest shit I've ever read. This has to be trolling. No way someone actually thinks this, right?
