What's even the point of living past 25 if you're not trying to get into a relationship and/or eventually have kids? Who are you living for? What are you living for? To just consume? To go after hedonistic pleasures?
>>84441694I agree. Too bad I'll never find a woman that actually loves me enough to stick around long term
i am 25 and idk what to live for at this point because i will never ever have a gf
>>84441696Eh if you're getting into short term relationships you're doing better than most. It at least means you're attractive enough to get a woman to date you. >>84441703I didn't have my first gf until I was 28 and we dated for 8 months.
>>84441703Just do what I did at 25 and become the gf anon.
>>84441694I lifve to force you to create retarded threads
>>84441703Because you have the person@lity of a fish?
Artistic endeavors.
why do yall think having a "girlfriend" will satisfy you? its fucking stupid... you think you will find fulfilment by being with a foid?... and even if u got with one you shouldn't care about a "gf"... YOU NEED fucking Kids lmfao... u fcking losers
>>84442764nah, lil tardie. what I wouldn't mind is to empty my balls inside the female holes. But I'm relatively fine not doing it either. Overall a gf can easily outweigh all of her positives, because that's a human. GF by itself doesn't satisfy, but sex does.
>>84441737How ran through was she when you first talked to her?
>>84441694You're looking at it all wrong, you don't need something to live for. Living is easier than dying, that's it, that's all you need. Living for something is dumb, gambling with relationships or gambling with some else's life by creating kids. Yeah it's exciting, but it can blow up your face hard. Having something to live for is a good way to give yourself and others problems.
>>84442737Not the OP, just curious. What is the personality of a fish?
>assuming 16-25 is worth living
>>84443449Go to a pet store, head to the fish section and strike up a conversation to find out.
>>84441694So living like a hedonist is fine til 25 and then it magically loses all appeal? And do you think that having kids magically guarentees you fulfilment and happiness? The most miserable people I know are parents. One of my friends has twins, eight years old. Every time I go to his house, it's nothing but them running around screaming, blasting some retarded ass AI generated youtube kids slop music on the tv, his wife nagging him endlessly. The dude is two years younger than me and looks a decade older. Even worse is his bitch wife wants another kid and he's told me explicitely that he doesn't, but he's whipped and I'm sure she'll push him into it.Oh and also there's literally no guarentee that your kid won't come out as a spastic, retard, disabled, potato, medically bankrupting living dead etc etc. People think it won't happen to them, and then cry when it does. Also you have basically no control over your kid growing up as a fag, whore etc etc. You think you do, but the internet raises kids unless you sequester them like the Amish.>>84443453also this lol, my life sucked before 25, it sucks after, and some bitch wife and annoying kids aren't gonna fix that
>>84441694>>84443449>just curioushttps://desuarchive.org/r9k/search/text/Personality%20of%20a%20fish/type/op/
there's a cope that if you're dying anyway, why rush towards it in a frankly painful manner ?especially if it's the last thing you do on earth. that being said, there are many valid reasons for guys to kill themselves and lacking that fundamental aspect of social understanding that allows you to function in wider society is definitely a good reason.
>>84441703I was married already at your age. You need to find a girl when you are still young of you will be alone forever
>>84443485>And do you think that having kids magically guarentees you fulfilmentActually yes if you are not complete psycho
>>84443571Damn that explains why every parent in the world is a happy, fulfilled individual.
kek are you really so fucking whipped by the world that you cant imagine a reason for living in your own fucking life if you arent producing dependents to provide for for the next two decades to keep worker replacement levels evenwhat is this stupid fucking psyop. why are you all so sheeply as to not be able to think of a reason to live your OWN LIFE. you are more easily manipulated than and more extraneous than the most basic bitch normie
>>84443496>there are many valid reasons for guys to kill themselvesOk, so why are you here posting instead of doing the valid and honorable thing? Could there be a potential reason for the disconnect between your words and your actions? Are you perhaps completely full of shit, a coward, or a demoralizer? Your choice which.
>>84443571stupidest fucking thing i have ever read, look up literally any frank discussion between people who have raised children. it can be a fulfilling life path and you can better the world if you do it correctly. most do not and new mothers are notorious for immediately resenting their children while fathers are jealous of them. or do you think everyone in the world is a psychopath except for you, narcanon?>>84443581yeah this would be why every child should be a wanted child and every parent a willing parent and there should be strong social safety nets and redundant it-takes-a-village childcare. unhappy parents abuse the shit out of their children who then, even in the best case scenarios sensing mommy and daddy dont love them, swear they will be better than their parents and have children only to find that it doesnt grant them immediate fulfillment but does give them tons of stress and fall into the same poor emotional control cycle that their parents and their parents parents did and abuse their own children. then you end up with morons itt and on this board trying to convince each other the real fix for this is to just make sure everyone is forced to have kids because, much like sex and relationships, they cannot conceptualize that things are more complex in life in the pursuit of happiness than>everyone has this thing > that makes me sad for not having the thing > if i have the thing, i will be happy > everyone should suffer for having the thing while i dont OR everyone should make sure i have the thing too and we should all have the thing, then we can all be happy!but then anons on /r9k/ are proud they never talk to anyone outside of their discord servers or read a book published past 2020 or without pictures, so why should they be expected to understand the human condition. they are barely humans as is
>>84443485though honestly your friend should take better care of raising his children. ofc leaving them in the hands of the internet especially ai generated youtube slop is going to make them come out stunted dopamine consoomers. if he doesnt want another child, why the fuck is he allowing his wife to rape one into herself? tell him to be a fucking man or at least a human being. he cant stop himself from being raped by his wife? he cant keep control of two eight year olds? the age they are in elementary school? when they cant even multiply or divide yet? your friend is being outsmarted and controlled by two second graders and a walking talking cunt? what, is he incapable of standing up for himself in even the most basic matters after a long day of sucking off his boss at his salaryman job? why is his wife making the decision of whether he cums another child into her or not? his body his choice regarding his cock and semen, right, just as it is hers with abortion? ofc you cant control whether your child comes out retarded, disabled, or sucking cock but you do have influence over their personality at least somewhat. remind your friend of what dangles between his legs and (presumably) what exists in his skull and tell him to take control of his own fucking life and stop letting parasites drain it out of him along with his money.
The point of living is consuming entretainment with artistic value. That's it. Other than that life is dull, especially if you don't have a girlfriend you can fuck.t. girlfriendless virgin
>>84441737why are you defining your success and self worth by whether or not a foid would let you stick it in her. have you no sense of identity at all?
>>84443688What entertainment do you consider to have artistic value, out of curiosity? Not bad faith, I was thinking similarly last night when watching a film for the first time in a long while. Made me feel something again.
>>84442918You can have something to live for that has greater meaning than just being another person. Preferable, even, all things considered. Most men throughout history have complained about feeling like they have no utility or meaning outside of how much they can provide for someone who cannot or will not provide for themselves. But is every man not a world unto himself, just as his wife and children are? Why is his worth defined by how much he provides for them? Why is his wife defined by how well she nourishes? Why are their children defined by how well they honor and obey? Is it preferable to be defined by what you purchase, how you make your money, or what your skin color or sex is? Why does a man not choose for himself why he has worth and make the world accept that? Is he not a creature with free will and a beating heart, a feeling soul, and a thinking mind? Why does he care what the world thinks of him at all? The world will fade but he is stuck with himself until he does too.
>>84441694>To just consume? To go after hedonistic pleasuresyeah, what pleasures are not "hedonistic" and why?
>>84443752the pleasure of freedom.
>>84441694People are mad at this but there's truth to it. On Twitter people basically say life is pointless as an adult if you don't have kids. They hate being married but the kids make it worth it.
>>84442868She never told me her body count and would get embarrassed when I asked her so probably pretty ran through. She also said she was molested when she was younger so probably pretty high since she was the same age as me at the time.
>>84443966I love being married tho. Its my best friend and then our kids are just us combined..i cannot imagine how empty I woulf feel if I was single and childless. I have a good career and friends and all that but its not worth anything without a family
>>84443694That's how success in life is measured. ALL the things we as men do, work, study, build, invent, etc is ALL for women. If you take the incentive away of reproduction, you'll just ldar. That's why NEETs just sit in their rooms and don't do anything. They've given up on love
>>84443485That sounds more like his wife runs the household which is why his life sucks. Also it sounds like his kids aren't disciplined.
>>84443566i can't find one because i have the personality of a fish
>>84443703>Made me feel something againWas it a porn movie?
>>84443581Most parents are happy and say kids was the best thing about their life and that they wish that they would have started having kids earlier. >>84443600What is it all for if you can't leave it to someone?
>>84443987That's what a lot of people think/feel. I feel like a lot of people ITT are just coping. Like it's one thing to not want kids at 21, but what are you going to do at 31 when all your friends have kids. You'll be too old to make new friends with others easily since young 20 somethings will call you unc, and most social events your age will involve families.Like even if you wanted to live a bachelor lifestyle you should still have had at least a few kids from a prior relationship.
>>84444187I am 30. Work full time and make around 70k a year. Honestly why would I want to work even harder and take on more hours to support a family that will just end up fucking me over in 10 years when I can live for myself? What kind of job allows you the freedom to have kids? What will you do when they are gone? What will you live for then?
>>84443996>ALL the things we as men do, work, study, build, invent, etc is ALL for women.that is fucking pathetic. not from wanting to create for someone you love, which is noble, but that you cant find it in yourself to do things because you want to do them and create what you wish to see in the world just because you can and no one else will. >That's why NEETs just sit in their rooms and don't do anything. They've given up on love.no, neets have given up on any sort of self actualization or agency because they see poor return on investment and diminished returns in a world such as you have laid out that has been designed to exploit them and they wonder what the fuck is the point of engaging in a society like that, and thus choose to live for themselves instead. even if their only pleasure is masturbating to hentai and eating cheetos. i have more respect in that regard for neets because they pursue what it is they want than i do for someone who externalizes himself like that and requires others to tell him what to do or what to think so that can find meaning.
>>84444120Nope, it was the A24 film Opus. Not very good admittedly but it reminded me that media can have an emotional effect on you when nothing else does, if only by showing you that other people feel and think the same things you have felt and thought (in this case, being irritated by everyone around you gaslighting you into absurdly dangerous and bizarre scenarios because they want the validation of some narcissistic cult of personality and deciding you are insane and untrustworthy up until the moment they have fucked around and found out and suddenly need you to save them). Plus I liked the technical competence of the cinematography and wardrobe/set choices. I used to watch transgressive/experimental international indie/classic/new cinema all day long but had not engaged in a few years after dedicating a year to a life overhaul and being burnt out. I forgot how satisfying fiction can be when it is at least mildly better than typical slop. They did make a point of having a scene where the main female lead gets her pussy shaved as part of preparation for a mass murder by the cult leader, though. But I think my period of East Asian/European pinky violence, giallo, erotic thriller, exploitation, and porno chic film viewing would align more with the snark you were attempting to convey.
>>84444128>What is it all for if you can't leave it to someone?uh, your own fulfillment? you dont see the flowers that grow in the garden from the seeds scattered over your corpse. you have no control whether they wither or bloom, or whether someone turns them into a poison tea to serve to your friends or enemies. all you have is the time on earth that you are granted, and you have no idea how long that may last for. what is the point of living if you arent living exactly the life you want every moment of every day? when any moment may be your last? what is the point of stagnation? what is the point of letting other people decide for you how you should live, what you should do, how you should feel? if your fulfillment comes from having a family and legacy, full speed ahead. but why are you letting other people determine that for you instead of coming to the conclusion yourself that that is what fulfillment means for you, specifically? the only people who should be husbands and fathers, wives and mothers are those who want to be and who will dedicate their lives to the fulfillment of those roles because that is how they find their own fulfillment. if someone else finds pleasure in hedonism, that is what they should pursue with other hedonists. same with the cloistered, same with solitude. the world does not run on platitudes and standardized scripts. it is a beautiful, messy, horrifying place where the capacity for cruelty and kindness exist in equal measure inside every person, and it is up to you what you want the world to be by making it that way. even if the world in this case is limited to just your own.
>>84444187>but what are you going to do at 31 when all your friends have kidsWhatever I want? Why does this matter? I like children, I just do not want my own to raise. Why are you defining your life around what your friends are doing? Would you leap off the cliff too?>You'll be too old to make new friends with others easily since young 20 somethings will call you uncYou are never too old to make friends. Doing so later in life when everyone is less flippant and the barrier to entry is higher only makes it more of a delightful challenge where the payoff is even more meaningful. Are you inclined to avoid anything that challenges you?> and most social events your age will involve families.Okay, and? Am I unable to be in the presence of families? Am I going to start reeeing by seeing a child in public? I am kind to children all the time and they and their parents love me. Plenty of events exist that are not centered around families, but the presence of them is not in any way a net negative on an event for other people. Aside from the annoyance of crying babies, of course, but the simplest way to stop a baby from crying is to go help the mother.>Like even if you wanted to live a bachelor lifestyle you should still have had at least a few kids from a prior relationship.What on earth are you suggesting here? Are you trying to say abandoning your progeny to the care of strangers is preferable to either being an involved parent or living the life of independence that you actually want? You are financially obligated to support these children even if you do not actually raise them. You are encouraging people to trap themselves in cycles of resentment and for what? Because some anon online told them it was a rule of life? Who says it is? You? Me? Your God? Mine?
Sometimes I wish that my attempt had been successful four years ago.
>>84444297Plenty of jobs do allow you the freedom to have children, but one of the primary reasons for low birth rates is that economic models have been incentivized for maximizing business profit rather than quality of life and longevity of said business, which is why this is so disastrous when applied on a government level to full societies. And a family is not destined to leave you or fuck you over, but if you follow the advice of the anon in the post you are replying to and have and abandon children you do not want Just Because, they certainly will. Generation after generation we have seen the effect of fatherless children on the world and hateful mothers, to say nothing of the parents that do stick around and are, at best, resentful and emotionally absent, or abusive if not actively incestuous or murderous at worst. And still people think they need to obey their heckin Biological Imperative just because we are a sexual species. There is more to life than sex and living for the pleasure of someone else. What meaning you make out of it is your own. The terrifying thought for many is that this comes with the equal responsibility for your lack of it. No wonder they try to convince everyone else there is one specific path to fulfillment and if you follow these Three Simple Steps, You Too Can Have a Life Like Mine! Wanna-be cult leaders, lifestyle gurus, and influencers, all of you.
>>84441694I don't have any reason to live. I just do.
>>84444297because of the new joy you get from experiencing things from their perspective
>>84443486>been posting ts since 2024Bro
>>84441694>What's even the point of living past 25 if you're not trying to get into a relationship and/or eventually have kids?I've always just enjoyed life and being alive. I don't understand people who need to have kids to feel that. Lets say I never have kids, why should I feel bad? I was nothing and now I'm here getting to experience a good life still at 34, that's a win either way.I think people who feel like this just never figured out how to be content in of themselves.
>>84443683Anon, a woman can completely rape your ass thanks to feminism and no fault divorce. The only thing worse than being married to a naggy bitch is being divorced to one. You will still need to obey her if you want to see your kids, you will pay alimony, and you will see your ex marrying some creepy step dad who es going to be around your kids.
>>84441694turned 27 2 weeks ago. i have seen too much evil in this world. I am tired. I don't want to die, but i feel ready too move on.
This thread is odd lol
>>84441694Once you've been married and had children you kinda just chill out and do whatever you want to pass the time. For me that's extreme sex and kink shit, staying in good shape, eating cool food, and vidya. I also really enjoy my job and am saving to purchase a home. You can still do all of this even if you haven't had kids or been married and honestly having been married and gone through even a rather amicable and easy and non traumatizing divorce where I have split custody and still get to be a part of my kids life, I would tell most people they really don't have to get married and even if they do that signing a prenup is highly advisable as is going to regular couples counseling at least a few times a year. Your odds of being divorced are higher than 50%. Your odds of remarrying the person you divorced within five years are like 60%. Just be a couple and if you do get divorced the prenup makes shit a lot easier. You don't have to be a hedonistic pig but you should have fun with and enjoy life and try to be a good person. That's all still very possible.
>>84445821why is it odd?
>>84445679cope harder, you live in a fantasy land. the divorced women i know are drowned by alimony requests from their husbands who have barely worked since marriage and to whom they cannot separate because these men weaponize the courts against them and destroy their 401k while fucking other women under their roof and using their money to blow on onlyfans whores. i watched my father do it. i did all the legal work for restraining orders against him for my mother, the double digit contempt of court charges and restraining order violations, and the work for her divorce proceedings in what he called a nuclear war of the roses that only terminated with his recent death after 7 years of this shit. her female friends are in similar situations with their piece of shit husbands or ex boyfriends while police throw up their hands saying it is easier to let the violent illegal mexican immigrant break into the house of a white woman and threaten her at gunpoint in a ski mask - because he is wearing a mask, how could you possibly know who it is! - and let her be murdered than it is to get her an order and active police protection. presumably because they would rather strangle another black teenager to death or rape a prostituted single mother in the back of the squad car than have to stay 5 minutes past the end of their shift. as they have said.if you are so scared of your wife that you let her rape and abuse you when the system is so stacked in your favor as to sound like a sensationalist crime novella situated in juarez, you deserve the misery you have made for yourself. you are pathetic. this is your life and your poor life choices. no one will fix it for you.
>>84442764They literally think a gf will somehow be the thing to fix their entire life.
>>84446079they have a hole in the center of themselves that they think can be filled by something they can find externally. it cannot. every force in the world will tell you the opposite to sell you something, whether a good, service, or a bill of sale for what is left of your soul, if you ever had one.incel has always been a misnomer for the idolization-degradation-destruction cycle that comes from narcissistic pathological entitlement to the sovereignty of another person. while feminists focus on the male expression as it is the most obvious in explosion violence statistics, supposed incels note the social violence women do to them and each other when their own narcissism leads their interactions. and men are no different when doing this to other men they idolize, or women to other women, or in any other form of parasocial parasitic boundaryless pseudorelationship. modern society has no qualms about monetizing their delusion (see: social media, the entire entertainment industry and sex industry) to fuel the fires of a fetishistic fantasy for fanatical whales as long as it is their wallet being drained yet not their blood being spilled. another person cannot complete you. the newest gadget will not complete you. what completes you is something that requires discernment by each individual, but that sort of self-work is intimidating and a waste of valuable time you could be burning the midnight oil - and your body in ritualistic soulself-immolation - to put more pennies in the pocket of your employer, landlord of the body you are only renting, if they are given any say about it.
