>>84486781
It's crazy the average woman in US looks like this (seriously, its fucked) but we still have 80% of them chasing the top 20% men and the remaining 80% lapping up what's left like filthy dogs. Shit is FUBAR man.

>>84486781
>midwestern
because she was a dyke.

>>84486781
midwestern slamhogs are all i date, because that is all that is available to me

>>84486803
I literally opened this thread to say that they too are probably lesbians but it looks like someone beat me to it.

>>84486781
robots here act like they think this is disgusting, but ive seen real time in a work environment how crazy men will go over this type. men disgust me

if this is easy i can only grope at refined

>>84486873
Men will cheat on their 110lb gym bunny wife that works 40 hours a week and makes more money than him with Katelynne that works part time at Taco Bell and wears tweety bird pajama pants in public

>>84486907
it makes no sense to me. These types are just nasty people too but men have no morals and will go for any white woman

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>tfw planning on moving to the midwest
Ugh... maybe I can force a couple to lose weight. It's super quick and easy to lose all but the last like 20-30lbs of extra fat if you just go keto/carnivore and do some fasting. I don't mind slightly chubby girls but I couldn't deal with hogs like that.

>>84486907
>Men will cheat on their 110lb gym bunny wife that works 40 hours a week and makes more money than him
None of this matters if she has a headache 95% of the times when the dude wants sex. I don't like slamhogs but the average man ultimately just wants sex. And if only slamhogs are willing to jump on his dick, he'll go with them.
No point in having a trophy wife if she won't even allow you to jack off in the bathroom when she denies you sex yet another time.

>>84486946
It matters because women are lied to that if they are just x enough their man will be faithful but you said it yourself, men are dogs

>>84486954
even men that get unlimited sex will still cheat lmao. its about power

>>84486954
>if they are just x enough
Personally I don't care for much more than:
>she loves me
>she is loyal
>she looks decent (6/10 or above)
>she takes good care of herself(no smoking, no drugs, good health)
>she has sex with me almost daily
>she doesn't want marriage or kids
I don't need a high earning gym rat and don't even care how much she makes, because I work STEM. I just want a genuine connection and lots of sex/cuddling with a best friend who happens to also be my partner.
Most men have even simpler requirements like the woman cooking often and well and keeping his balls drained.
Meanwhile on the other side, some of the most mediocre women imaginable want a fit dude who's at least 6ft tall, makes good money, drives a nice car and owns/rents a nice place. And they want to financially trap him with marriage and pregnancy.
The reason the slampigs in picrel attract men is just that...they provide plenty of sex with no bullshit attached. They're not pretty and not feminine, but when most the 'high-achiever' and 'career-focused' women are too tired for sex after slaving at the corporation all day, the slampigs are what's left. But yea, I prefer having a wank instead.

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>>84487004
>she doesn't want marriage or kids
Ah you were so close but then you revealed that you're just a selfish lust-brained coomer like everyone else.

>>84486865
i love that bitch.

>>84486854
You are part of the problem bro.

>>84487129
I'm simply a rather high-value individual looking to retire early. I can either live a nice life with a partner for decades, where we do whatever we want, within reason. Or open myself up to the risk of divorce rape and have children eat into my money until i'm forced to be a wageslave until my 70s.
I simply don't want to work until I'm close to death. I don't want to come home from work to screaming little shits. I don't want a wife with a body ruined by pregnancy and who is tired all day from caring for the kids.
I want to play video games, maybe travel with my gf, have plenty of free time outside of work, keep myself fit through exercise and eating good shit, go on dates with my gf every week, have sex with her of course. None of these things are possible if I go the normalfag route of mortgage, marriage and kids. I know enough men like that and none of them is happy.

>>84487129
>how dare men have standards
He posted the most reasonable things possible and people still instinctively seethe about it. Crazy. Ivy would not find that particularily disdainful.

>>84487187
That's not standards that's just being a greedy drifter. Marriage has so many benefits

>>84486925
That's not how it works. The weight she's at when you meet her is likely the skinniest she'll ever be. Maybe you could convince her to drop a few pounds when you're in the honeymoon phase, but after a couple months she'll start ballooning up again. Because the only way people keep off weight is if they personally want to. She clearly doesn't if she's already fat.

>>84487195
There are no benefits to marriage in the modern clown world. There used to be, there aren't anymore.

>>84487195
>Marriage has so many benefits
There are none, at least in my country. You don't even get tax breaks. You just involve the wedding industry and the state in your relationship. Spend a shit-ton of money on a wedding where most people just to to get drunk for free.
But of course, the woman gets a lot of benefits in case of divorce, which explains why it's almost always the women wanting to marry. You can't wait to ensure there's a huge penalty for the man and a huge win for you if the relationship goes south. Most of you clearly let go of yourselves and stop putting in any kind of effort as soon as you've trapped the guy.

>>84487229
Tax benefits, automatic inheritance, able to be by your spouse's bed side and make end of life decisions, health care, social security. Also becoming a family and it's harder to leave you.
I am excited to get married and am childfree and so is my bf, so I don't understand that guy. Bf wants to marry me too and is saving for a ring.

>>84487247
I sure hope your bf makes you sign a prenup for when you get bored and divorce him in a couple years.

>>84487247
>Tax benefits
None where I live.
>automatic inheritance
Just write a will.
> able to be by your spouse's bed side and make end of life decisions,
Depending on what man you choose, you might not want them to be able to decide for your life. I know I wouldn't trust anyone except my mom with that.
>health care,
This should be an individual matter.
>social security.
Not a thing in my country. There's universal healthcare for everyone, regardless of employment, as we're not a 3rd world ultra-capitalistic hellhole like the US is.
>becoming a family
You don't need the state to certify that you're a family.
>harder to leave you.
This is not a good thing. Being trapped with someone you don't like anymore is torture. This is what you women fail to understand. I'd probably turn abusive if you forced me to stay with you because otherwise I lose more than half my stuff. You can't force love.
People change in time. Locking them together under pressure of financial ruin is not good. Breakups are already hard as they are.

>>84486946
the hot wife making more than him is by definition not a trophy wife. he is failing to be her trophy husband

>>84487285
>Depending on what man you choose, you might not want them to be able to decide for your life. I know I wouldn't trust anyone except my mom with that.
Honey your mom will be dead by then...
Also did not appreciate you implying the guy I wanna marry is abusive
My parents are gonna be married 40 years this august 5 I have had stable love modeled for me

>>84487129
Why would a good healthy woman not want to get married or have kids? these people are so fucking delusional and think they deserve the cream of the crop whose youth and fertility they'll waste anyway

>>84487293
Women have shown they are perfectly capable of wasting their own youth without any input from us.

>>84487303
You're too weird, resentful and entitled for anyone to want to be with btw. You have all this list of requirements and nothing about how you'll be even emotionally supportive which is a basic need for a human being to be happy in a relationship. Rot

>>84487290
>Also did not appreciate you implying the guy I wanna marry is abusive
Not implying he is but like I said, people change. Look up the stats about men leaving women when they find out their wives have cancer or other severe health problems.
I grew up with divorced grandparents on one side, grandparents in loveless marriage on the other side and my own parents fighting every week and ultimately divorcing 3yrs ago. My uncle apparently beating my aunt sometimes until he died early of a heart attack. My coworkers in dead bedroom marriages. I have not seen a single happily married dude in my entire life. I have every right to be skeptical about this stuff and I will never change. Marriage is a very foolish idea with no benefits at all as far as I'm concerned.

>>84487314
Well I'm not the other anon but I've kept a gf for 6 years, so you're wrong.

>>84486781
Umm, actually, they're called *BRAPhogs, OR *Slampigs. Just FYI.

>>84487320
That sucks but me and my bfs have parents in happy marriages maybe you just have bad genes and a bad bloodline and suck

>>84487342
That's great. Let us know how it's going in a couple years. Guarantee you'll be talking shit about him to your friends who will be like "girl, just LEAVE him!!" and then encourage you to flirt with a guy at the bar.

>>84487326
No one happily in a relationship would say
>Women have shown they are perfectly capable of wasting their own youth without any input from us.
You're full of shit

>>84487342
>me and my bfs have parents in happy marriages
How do you even know that?
Unless you're on the inside and get to look at the couple all day, you can't possibly know how it's going. Most will even lie if you ask and say it's all good even when it's not.
Shame will also keep people unhappily married for decades, just like my parents. When they split, a lot of people were surprised because everything looked ok from the outside. Only I witnessed the near-daily arguments... To me, it was no surprise.
>you just have bad genes and a bad bloodline and suck
Well I am slightly autistic but tall, high IQ, in good health and slow aging. And most people in my family are slim and long-lived.
Your genetics have nothing to do with how good your relationships are. It's mostly the luck of who you meet and when you meet.

>>84487378
Uh... why not? I can take a look around society and see plenty of people wasting their youth. How would having a gf prevent me from noticing this? You seem really retarded.

>>84487167
i am only involved with the problem in that i am one of its many victims. what do you propose, a nationwide slamhog boycott?

>>84487396
>how do you even know that
I'm my mom's only daughter and she overshares that they bang all the time and being mad my lil bro that lives at home catches them and I just visited them yesterday and they were super happy. Even my dad that is usually stoic told me a retarded story about a squirrel and was busting a gut. They are comfy happy boomers and love each other. My bf's stepdad treats his mom like a queen and they are super happy too. His mom is soo much like my mom I can't wait for them to meet and become bffs

>>84486781
I dont live in the Midwest and I dont have money

>>84487242
i know /misogyny/ board so talking to a wall but honestly i think the stickler here is more that a woman is otherwise acting as a wife without any sort of formal acknowledgement from a marriage. she knows her value with depreciate with time in the eyes of most men and if she provides any sort of wifely duties would consider herself invested in somewhat in his finances. ideally he would hers as well but wifely duties outweigh husbandly duties here in sheer volume alone. ignoring any sort of investment in children, the marriage comment for most women will just make them hear that anon wants a woman who is functionally a wife but with no formal acknowledgment of any social status of a wife whom he can leave at any time and say it was never that serious. any woman who would agree with that arrangement who isnt financially solvent herself is going to be less invested than a married one and likely to cheat herself. plus the whole wedding thing has been shilled to women for a very long as basically the biggest day of her life and acknowledgement of her transition into full womanhood, the one day she gets to be a pretty pretty princess for real. for most women this arrangement just translates in their minds to the same tired drained wife but with no pretty dress or ring, while everyone smugly scoffs at her about what did she expect? we warned you when her pseudohusband inevitably cheats.

not saying that this is in any way what anon actually wants or that this is how a relationship like this is doomed to or should work, but this is the scenario that often plays out and blackpills women who would otherwise agree to this arrangement into demanding marriage. without the greed of others this would just be another relationship configuration to the preference of the people involved. like marriage.

also you guys are forgetting that common law marriage laws are going to fuck you over here regardless if you are staying together for any sort of actual length of time.

>>84487285
>i would probably turn abusive if we got married
this is a great thing to lead with when dating. tell every woman you go out with this.

>>84486946
this. its easy to want a gf or wife who is x, y, z but even if you hit all your ideal features and lock her down she just thinks she can do better and despises you. meanwhile for an ugly slamhog you're a major upgrade over the gutter ass men she's used to and she will look at you with stars in her eyes and be on call to jump on your dick whenever you want it. Note for women reading: if you cannot even manage to pretend to like your man, he will find someone who does. Don't act confused when it's a "downgrade" like this, it's a huge upgrade in how she treats him.

>>84487498
I do, hasn't scared any off yet. They also don't get scared off by me having kids by other women, nor by my criminal record. Not joking btw. I tell them this kind of thing to try to get them to detach and leave so I don't have to bear the burden of dumping them but it never ever works.

>>84487293
women have different preferences just as men do. a bigger problem here is that women have a limited window of fertility and once that has passed many men suddenly decide they actually want nothing more than to be fathers and leave their barren first wife for a second to start a family with. this is a stereotype for a reason with high income and low income men alike. the high income ones often end up getting a third wife for a trophy when the second has had the life drained from her and they decide western women are evil after losing custody or having to pay alimony/child support in court. then they end up with sweet young thangs who agree to never get married because he just loves her so and his first and second wives were just SUCH bitches, and every other woman in the vicinity looks at her with a mixture of contempt and pity that the men around her will say is jealousy for her youth and beauty. depending on where he got her from, he will either turn her in for a new model once she realizes what a raw deal this is and grows to resent being a stepmother to his children who hate her for attempting to replace their own mother, or he will blow his cash on whores and onlyfans porn until the end because his mail order bride is from a conservative culture and he wanted a madonna who looks and can be bought like a whore, not a real one.

>>84487517
>i will be abusive
>i am a manwhore incapable of not cheating you by inseminating other women and already have multiple dependents i either do or do not monetarily support
>i have a violent criminal record
>i am incapable of direct communication and will passively aggressively get you to dump me because i want to portray myself as the victim and am too cowardly for confrontation
lol. tracks.

>>84487499
question for you anon: why are these beautiful women who do not need to rely on you for money or status and do not want to have sex with you nor be locked down with you and care so little for your emotions that they do not even pretend to fake that they can tolerate your presence with you in this scenario again?

>>84486781
These types make terrible wives and no amount of cope will change that.

>>84487498
> tell every woman you go out with this.
Kek, as if I ever go out with women. This talk is all hypothetical to me. I've never actually approached a woman and never will. I know 99.9% of them have completely different (dumber) life goals than me, so there's no point. I've heard enough complaints from normie men and seen enough failed marriages in my family.

>>84486907
>>84486963
if a wife is more beautiful than him and makes more money he does this intentionally to degrade her status and position himself as being so superior he can discard her for someone lesser at will btw. tactic to intentionally choose a low rent slut because they are cheap n easy but also drive her insane by making her compare herself to them and come up lacking. the average man, like the average woman, is very insecure and will seethe at a wife they determine to have more status than them. the more perfect she is the more he will despise her secretly and hate how everyone commends him for catching her and wondering how she is with him, because in attempting to praise her and gently rib him they are instead validating his insecurity every time. if she defends him too he will hate her even more for the effort because now he cant even bitch about her since she bothered to defend him from this. if you reversed the genders here women would do the same thing, honestly, but have less history with reifying power dynamics in gender relations with male as superior and female as superior so you get the scenario less often. this is why men target women in any sort of power or with intelligence to sexually degrade, to remind them of their place as inferior females below even the lowest of men. this explains every specifically sexually sadistic fantasy men have towards putting a woman who challenges or has authority over them in her place, like an academic rival or a boss. you see this literally all the time at all levels of society. the nicer a woman is too the more he tends to become comfortable and push her boundaries. this is why man higher status or older women insist on keeping their husbands on a short leash. this entire thing is repulsive and indicative of the worst aspects of human psychology. i am glad to opt out of this if my alternative is to control my husband like a dog to keep him from doing the same to me. we should be free equals, as we are.

>>84487517
>I do
>>84487616
>as if I ever go out, this is all hypothetical
the tale of two abusechads

>>84487220
kek yeah because if she starts putting any sort of effort into her appearance he will assume she is planning to leave to get a train run by chads and start insulting and humiliating her to lower her self esteem and make her think she can do no better. many women in this scenario get super confused because they either genuinely were getting /fit/ for health reasons and being able to compete with other (partnered) women in homosocial environments while turning her man on more was a bonus, so she leaves him for showing his apparently true abusive nature and DOES go start fucking chads after since what was the point of not trying to looksmatch before if chad will likely treat her better or at least make it clear early on just how disposable they both are. she tends to end up with a hotter and higher status husband while her former husband downgrades because losing a wife that was putting effort into herself from your own insecurity is a massive warning sign of emotional imbalance to any woman that isnt fucking retarded thinking possessive jealousy is a sign of passion or literally 15. men have yet to figure this one out somehow. if she was trying to look hot for chad she would have hidden it from you, not boasted.
>>84486925
easier for men but not for slamhogs unless they truly eat like garbage. but this is the midwest, so they probably do. this is why you say the hiking or athletic thing to filter for those who are at least willing to do more than sit around doordashing and scrolling tiktok all day. it helps if you tell her you were fat before, the psychological pressure comes off as kinship to her in health struggles. bring up being bullied too to prey on her empathy.

>>84487567
Stability I guess, or just reliable attention if you want to be cold about it. Their girl friends are catty and unreliable, their "guy friends" are either just orbiters looking for a crumb of pussy or gay and worse than the women. The only way they can find somebody to watch tv shows and have dinner with every week, who will celebrate their birthday and valentines day with them, is to have "a boyfriend".

I think there's also an innate status thing on some level to transition from hoe phase to having a boyfriend. They see their friends getting married, they say "oh me too now, I want that also" and need to find some guy for long term. Of course, the guys they actually want won't commit to them, so they have to downgrade to somebody who they kind of aren't quite really all that into but who is "good enough" to stick around with for several years or indefinitely. Boyfriend dick.

>>84487557
Yeah I mean this is a 100% accurate rundown of the facts, but the point holds that it does not actually cause women to leave. If anything, it seems to increase their affection for me in most cases. Open to suggestions for things I can tell them which will actually run them off. Have tried saying I'm bisexual but that's really the worst case scenario because they "can't" leave for that reason so it just creates a kind of simmering background disgust without terminating the relationship.

>>84487739
true in the sense that for most of society having a boyfriend or husband is a status marker for women as a single woman is either discarded completely, considered proof of something inherently wrong with her, or a sexual object for any man who desires her with no legitimate reason for rebuking his overtures. the spinster and cat lady are more stigmatized than the bachelor, historically, even if both had their heterosexuality and usefulness to greater society called into question. i think this is less true of women in their 20s and in liberalized urban areas or for women with higher economic status, but a partnered woman is still the endgoal for pretty much all levels of society.

still, your own statement shows that she can easily get attention from her army of orbiters, so the logic falls apart unless you attribute this to purely status mogging (which also falls apart given the party line in here about how every woman encourages the women in their lives to leave their male partners and openly shit talks them) which is much less pertinent outside of marriage (as the ring, wedding, and marriage itself is the permanent status modifier for women from perpetual womanchild to wife) or a desire for companionship. and you just said that in this scenario your woman here has no need for money, status, or attention and is uninterested in sex or tolerating the company of her male partner.

your scenario is more realistic to human psychology than the first anon, but both seem to rely on something underlying to explain why these women are in relationships they dont want with men they do not desire. this is a common scenario for men too, though. i think people are just lonely at the end of the day. they want to feel like someone will see the real them and choose to stay through their worst moments and best. that is the premise of most marriage vows, after all. sunk cost fallacy of longevity as proof of the depth of intimacy. and humans are terrified of vulnerability.

>>84487758
have you tried simply not pursuing women you do not want to be involved with, abusechad

>>84487517
What did you do to get a criminal record?

>>84487833
>the first anon
Same anon, for once.
>this is a common scenario for men too, though. i think people are just lonely at the end of the day. they want to feel like someone will see the real them and choose to stay through their worst moments and best.
This is what it is, in the end. But it stings to be on the receiving end of someone who you can tell views you as "they best they could get to stick around" and not "what they truly wanted". Especially if they (the beautiful, etc etc woman) ARE what you truly wanted. Creates a very unbalanced dynamic when one person is In Love and one person is kind of in love but also kind of settling. Admittedly, it can go either way gender-wise and presumably even crops up in homosexual relationships, but I think a basically cute girl who is low-grade unhappy with her average guy partner while he is completely enamored with her is a more common configuration than any of the others.

>>84487835
Two reasons
>I like to fuck, so I must get involved with women to accomplish this. I would be happy for it to be truly casual but they nearly 100% push for "more" out of the "relationship"
>I'm open to a relationship with someone I like, but most women are very annoying, retarded, loaded with intolerable baggage and mental illness, etc. I do not discover all of this until after we're at least a couple weeks in
Not that I can really judge on the second one because I am also retarded and mentally ill and so forth, but I don't want to get into a relationship that is just going to make my already fucked up life worse.
>>84487841
Nothing especially based unfortunately, primarily just stupid, got busted with drugs in the car at a DUI checkpoint despite being sober when I rolled through.

>>84487889
>Same anon, for once.
i was hedging from typing styles. isnt it interesting how responses start to be formatted differently and with more thought when someone responds sincerely outside of either side of endless gender war circlejerking? my own posts would be formatted differently if i wasnt phoneposting from an epsom salt bubble bath.

>But it stings to be on the receiving end of someone who you can tell views you as "they best they could get to stick around" and not "what they truly wanted".
yeah, absolutely. saying something like this is immediate grounds for a breakup. that people stick around with anyone saying shit like this is a testament to their own loneliness. like the predominantly male forms of relational control i discussed earlier, this is a primarily female one, and it is disgusting. so is weaponizing social groups to reinforce to a partner that they are lucky to have them because they could do no better. this is never true, though as long as women are young they do have more of an advantage in the dating market and even when older will always be able to find someone to fuck them in a one night, if that is what they want.

starting off with a power imbalance is never the foundation of a healthy relationship. i dont mean age gaps or income levels, but this specific attitude which while associated with either is not exclusive to actually having a material advantage. if your partner ever degrades you, male or female, heterosexual or homo, you leave them. they are attempting to isolate you and are projecting their own fears of loneliness onto you. being alone is always better than being with someone who delights in humiliating you.

>>84487889
>>84488011
this is something the supposed femcels have figured out but which the incels have yet to except for volcels. when you have limited relationship experience, it does feel like a value commodity when to have a relationship even if it is poor. what embitters many people is realizing that it is not the act of having a partner that completes them (if anything really can be said to complete a person. this is typically a sales pitch). a partner is just another person with all the human fallibility that implies. you find and make meaning of your life by yourself, and if you are lucky enough, you find someone with whom you enjoy spending time and whom you bring out the best in just as they bring it out of you in return. a relationship formed under duress, whether economic, statist, or from social stigma of being alone, will always be an unsteady one filled with resentment and the wonders of what if? the commonly cited worldwide birth rates plummeting are at least in part due to the lessening of this duress, but that is, of course, not good for worker/state/flock replacement rates and must be propagandized against even after multiple decades of propagandizing against overpopulation. that is a larger and more complex topic outside the scope of this discussion on human loneliness, though. and implies i think of marriage and procreation in purely cynical matters. i do not. i think of them in deeply romantic framing, but that all hinges on it being freely chosen. otherwise this entire scenario is just coercion. one of mans primary struggles has always been for his freedom - why willingly choose to restrict it of your own volition based on determinations made out of fear rather than desire?

>>84487913
>i will be abusive
>i am a manwhore incapable of not cheating you by inseminating other women and already have multiple dependents i either do or do not monetarily support
>i have a criminal record from the trafficking of drugs
>i am incapable of direct communication and will passively aggressively get you to dump me because i want to portray myself as the victim and am too cowardly for confrontation
>i have a drug addiction
>i am retarded by my own definition
>i am mentally ill by my own definition

have you tried using a condom with a prostitute or perhaps just date raping a drunk woman

>>84488029
>condom
No, LMAO
>prostitute
Not paying for what I can get for free
>date rape a drunk woman
Legitimately harder to contrive this situation than to get a willing girl off an app