>>84557918
define slut

>Would I rather be a cuck or have wife material?
Stupidest fucking thread I've seen all day, you shoul;d be ashamed, kill yourself

I only date virgins.

I wouldn't even have sex with a slut, much less make one my girlfriend.

>>84557931
I said be honest. The slut girl is better at sex and flirting with you. Be honest ... you've thought about it

>>84557950
Why would I want used goods? Retarded post, I'm assuming you're either a cuck or a whore foid who wants to cope with being a whore

>>84557960
It's just a question, are you insecure or something?

A slut who picks the guys she fucks and dumps them when she's bored: okay within reason

A slut with self esteem problems who let's everyone hit it but nobody wants to be her boyfriend and they just pump and dump as she slowly becomes a broken mess that I have to save from herself: HELL NO

>>84557972
Omg why don't you want to save her anon...

>>84557918
I'd rather go with the slut gf as long as she's comfortable with herself and her sexual promiscuity. If she's still carrying scars from like childhood or early adulthood that she expects me to work through then that's a turn off. I like a hoe that know's she's a hoe and she has to be willing to be slutty for me as well. So, I'd go with the slutty gf as long as she actually my GF. A virgin gf will never know what she wants, and after cracking that shit may go 180 like that. People change all da time.

>>84557964
Because it's stupid and I want you to feel stupid for asking it

>>84558006
I don't. Are you okay moidnon?

>>84557918
every other thing about the gf being the same?
i honestly don't care either way, but im not like 90% of the ppl on this site.

I just want a girl I can love, and that loves me.

>>84557918
You didnt contemplate the other option, which is a girl who had bad experiences with sex. Gf did and i slowly gained her trust and now she wants sex all the time. Gf only had sex with her three exs (my body count is way higher). Its kinda like the good part of a virgin and the good part of a slut because shes inexperienced enough but she also doesnt panic or causes retarded drama on the bed. Ive met a bunch of women that are similar to my gf, girls that spent 5+ years in a shitty relationship with some incompetent dude who didnt fuck them properly so when i start playing with their bodies they trip balls and they always come back for more sex with me.

Virgin gf sounds better. I would not want a slut gf at all no matter what. I want to get married.
I guess if by gf it's the contemporary meaning of the term, gf as in casual sex partner but it's magically not casual sex because the casual sex happens in great quantities, then I don't want a gf because casual sex is wrong and no amount of semantics changes that fact.

>>84558053
>she's a huge slut but it was only like three different men so it's ok
Lmao, gross. I bet she doesn't even count all the men she performed oral sex on or took in up the ass from either. She's used up, run through, and to good. Three is a very high number when it comes to body count.

what percentage of able-bodied adult (22+) american women are virgins? do you think it's higher or lower than 0.1%?
trad bs aside, i'd go for the virgin for the novelty alone.

>>84557983
>Omg why don't you want to save her anon...
She's at the bottom of the female heirarchy and will only be a burden with her mental illness and meek unstable offspring. She'll have trouble cleaning the house without having a mental breakdown. Constant effort for a used up loser, and low status to be with her

The other slut is the opposite. Aggressive, spiritually masculine alpha femoid. She's scary but she is probably loyal and self actualized. She will bring direction and strength to the relationship. She might have fucked 15 guys but they all wanted to be with her forever and she dumped them for not being enough. Oddly high status to be with her if you aren't her bitch. The risk is she dominates you

>>84558053
Three different guys is nothing, don't listen to the other anon.
It's more about the number if guys per year. Three guys in three months is a slut. Three guys in a year is a little too much. Three guys in three years is normal

>>84558158
>normal
Normal doesn't mean it's good.

>>84558162
Thanks for saying that, that is a very important thing. Most normies will already hate you for caring just because not caring is normal and sleeping around is normal. Most guys cope about it by saying it's normal too. nta of course

>>84558162
That's true. It would be better if we met them as virgins. They would get better love and romance from us.
But one or two sex partners per year is not going to mentally ruin a woman like sleeping with a new man every month will.
Imagine if you had women hitting on you every day in public and got 15+ matches and messages per day on dating apps, and you only had sex with 1 of them that entire year.
That's highly selective and not a sign of being a whore.

Very attractive women get literally hundreds of matches per day on dating apps and can't even walk through a grocery store on a weekday without getting asked out multiple times.
It's a totally different reality. Only giving in to temptation once a year in that situation is a sign of discernment.
This is assuming no religious background of course

>>84557950
this notion that slut = better at sex is so retarded. What does it matter? You can literally teach your virgin to be better than her in the matter of months. Fucking more men has nothing to do with skill acquirement.

>>84558245
It's definitely a cope.
The only thing you get from an experienced woman is knowing you are good at sex yourself. If she's impressed then you have something to offer, assuming she's not faking it and you are the provider male.
It's way more fun to corrupt and inexperienced woman than to fuck a woman who has seen it all. Unless you are depraved you are up against guys who took her further than you can.

Virgin is better but if she's 25 and a virgin there's something wrong with her. Too passive or too meek or mentally ill

>>84557918
Had both. Both high maintenance like all women are. Retain your semen and hang out with the bros

>>84557918
Obviously virgin, what kind of cuck would want the slut?

>>84557950
>better at sex
Impossible because the only thing that makes women better to fuck is vaginal tightness and the virgin will do better at that. There's no skill involved in being a hole.

>>84557918
Slut
sexo all day erryday

>>84557918
>Would you rather have 1 million dollars or 1 dollar?
gee boss I dunno

>>84557918
Virgin gf. I'm a virgin too, so we'd probably get along better and our relationship would feel much more intimate and meaningful.

>>84557918
Virgin of course

>>84558379
>the only thing that makes women better to fuck is vaginal tightness and the virgin will do better at that.
That's not true.
Partially true but not entirely true. Tight vagina is awesome though but I fucked a slutty 24 year old with a tighter vagina that my virgin highschool gf.
And a dead starfish girl is infinitely worse than one that moves and makes noise and has some tricks

virgin gf or a 1 ex-bf gf bcuz i have 1 ex-gf

all of them are whores

virgins are just dumb whores who are still trying to get pumped and dumped by Chad

>>84557918
Virgin. I will make her slut just for me.

>>84558714
>moves and makes noise and has some tricks
Ah, a fellow petplay enjoyer

>>84557918
Slutty virgin gf

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>>84557918
A trans rapist gf

>>84557918
What a stupid thread lol, here lemme help you:

>Would you rather have a slut gf who will do anything you want during sex or a virgin gf who will always be super uncomfortable with sex.

>>84559002
>who will always be super uncomfortable with sex
How does that even happen? If you do something that initially makes you feel uncomfortable a billion times, then it stops feeling uncomfortable. That's how human brains work.

>>84559002
I'd rather be alone in that case

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>>84557918
The problem with these threads is that people forget the women you get have the chance of become the mother of your kids.
Also they'll get older and their looks will fade away in a decade or so after being you.
So would you rather have a slutty mother for your kids who'll get an identity crisis after getting old or someone with self control? What a hard choice kek

Those two are not mutually exclusive you know.

>>84559002
pretty sure everyone was a virgin once so how do you logically explain this slut gf if virgins cant be comfortable with sex

>>84559214
>everyone was a virgin once
More patriarchy lies, virginity is a social construct and not a real thing. You're just being misogynist. Even if it was real which it's not, most women lose their virginity to horses or cheerleading at football so how do you explain that?

>>84557918
the virgin gf is going to become a mega slut the second you fuck her

>>84559347
And the slut gf will become a mega virgin one second after getting fucked?

Virgin probably, I fantasize about have rough sloppy sex but I'm actually scared and a virgin

>>84557918
I'll never get to experience that cause my femurs aren't long enough.

>>84557918
A virgin slut (kinky goonette who does solo porn) would be the best bet

>>84557918
virgin gf obviously
and we'd have lovey dovey cuddle sex

What do you mean by "slut"?

>>84560059
A slut is a nonvirgin, and typically implies a high body count like three or more. One or two is gross enough, but a slut is truly disgusting and worthless.

>>84557918
Slut, every time.

Virgin can change, slut cannot. If she knows what she is, and wants to be a good gf, she is capable of committing.

Worst is a slut who doesn't think of herself that way (12ish partners) though.

>>84560085
What do you even mean? It's incoherent

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>>84557950
>>84557918
THIS IS GAY BECAUSE IT ASSUMES I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO INITIATE EVERYTHING
I VERY MUCH DO
I LIKE FEELING THINGS BENDING TO MY WILL

>>84560495
Anon believes virgins will always change into sluts when given the opportunity. Virgins will be unable to pair bond and once the virgin gf experiences sex they will wish to see what they've missed out on.
Anon also believes a slut is redeemable because they know they themselves are sluts, but because they want a relationship then that must mean they will definitely strive become a good gf.
Anon believes virgins cheat and sluts settle.

>>84559150
>slutty mother for your kids who'll get an identity crisis after getting old or someone with self control?

Self control in women is usually just being timid, closed minded, low libido, or feeling ugly. Generally these tradwifu types are going to give you beta children. There is a balance to be found or at least more nuance involved in selecting a wife

>>84560560
Ah okay, that is consistent at least.
I've heard a lot of horror stories about being her first and then she leaves you in 3, 10, 20 years to experience sex with others

>>84558116
>15 guys
Oh so you're a retard, that's like 3-4 months of whoring for a girl who limits herself to one guy per weekend. you have no idea how bad things really are

>>84557918
GF who genuinely loves me and won't cheat on me.

>>84557972
>A slut with self esteem problems who let's everyone hit it but nobody wants to be her boyfriend
You have entirely the wrong perspective on this type of girl. You can abuse them relentlessly in whatever way you want so long as you don't leave, they will tolerate literally anything. They are precious resources, and much more my preference than the alpha slut (you will be getting abused in that case, and lmao at the suggestion in the next post that she will be loyal for some reason) or a "healthy" girl (fucking boring plus all women have mental problems anyway)

>>84558095
>Three is a very high number when it comes to body count.
Lol. You are obviously a delusional little retard, a virgin and probably a thirdie. Real world bodycount thresholds:
>0
true virgin, best case scenario obviously, but impossible to find over age 16
>5
anything below 5 is a 'practical virgin', she's probably young for this kind of number and isn't some kind of 'alpha widow' who has been bulldozed by a ton of chads
>10
this is the 'minimum average' and what i assume any relatively "normal", non-whorish girl will be at by her early 20s
>50
anything from 10 to 50 is the normal range for a girl who has done some hookups, went to college, had a couple relationships, etc. above 50 she's starting to be an actual whore
>100
once we get into 50+, especially triple digits, this is an actual dedicated whore who proactively tries to find men to get fucked by with some kind of regularity. beyond this point there is no difference between 100, 200, 500.

Maybe there's an ascended whore tier once they get beyond like 500 or 1000 where she's actually a professional or a pornstar or something, but that is outside the realm of the typical young tinder swiper and takes decades of dedication. All of the above are 'true' counts that include sucking dick and whatever else. You may not like this, I'm certain you don't actually, but it's true.
>in that case I'm never going to interact with women again ever
Nothing changed then, thanks for reading anyway

>>84560629
>Generally these tradwifu types are going to give you beta children
This. I unironically want to breed a powerful barbarian of a woman who has laid waste to hundreds of men and is a hostile, violent psychopath. Actually I did do this and I left her because I couldn't handle getting abused anymore but our son will be an unstoppable force if he can overcome BPD mother syndrome

>>84560732
Do you think that's more likely to be the slut, who has seen what is out there and has refined her taste over time and has decided that you are her long-term choice even if that means she sees you as betabux? Or is it the virgin, who will imprint on you like a baby bird, but will also always have a lurking "fear of missing out" that makes her want to run toward other men every day of her life?

>>84558098
>american women
uhhh LOOOOOL

>>84560755
That's an interesting option but I think you are missing out on the joy of dominating a woman who dominates other women and social situations in general.
If you are looking to have children, the meek submissive slut is going to be a bad choice. Your kids will inherit her personality traits and be doormats. This is the key mistake of all trad guys. You need a wife with a backbone and a libido.

I'm not arguing for choosing a slut just differentiating between the types. Ideally you find a virgin wife who has a libido, is socially dominant, and loyal

>>84560845
Yeah, we're talking about the real world here, not your mud hut village that still practices arranged marriage. Even then they probably get married off at like age 14 (based, admittedly) and 20 year old virgins still don't exist. So I wonder what puritanical and chaste but also modern and non-traditional country you're thinking of

>>84557918
Married a virgin. Everyone else I know did not, they have all been divorced. In 12 years we have not had a single argument.
No body count means zero emotional baggage. Women start off perfect and experience or whatever cope word they use only lowers it. Every guy I know has had their now ex wives constantly expect them to do everything guys A-Z did flawlessly. Their requirements get higher with more baggage, it is the craziest thing.

>>84560817
You should look up some statistics because the average number for an American woman is something like 3-5. This is heavily weighted by 25% of women who have zero or one partner under the age of 35. These are the religious households.
But even if you remove them, we're talking about maybe the average going up to five.
5:00 the number of women who have slept with more than 10 men in their lifetime is something like 20%. And that's for the millennial generation that was the first to use hookup apps and drank very heavily as well.

I'm not saying I'm on the side of the incel dude but your numbers are way insane. Although I will say living in a major metropolitan area, most of the girls I knew had a body count approaching 10 by the time they were in their mid-20s. So totally different culture where everyone was having sex with someone new every few months and it didn't seem weird at the time. Now that I'm older, it's gross and it's gross to think of my wife involved with that many men.
Most of the people posting here are probably from flyover country. There are like 50 single women in town at any given point. And everybody has a reputation to guard. Or some third world village and who knows where.

>>84560838
If it is the virgin I will do much kinky shit to her to remove any kind of thought that she is "missing out" by giving her a wide range of sexual experiences.

If it is the slut, uh, so long as you define a "slut" as someone who at most has barely double digit body count and hasn't gotten knocked up and had an abortion, then yeah? So long as she actually loves me.

Although, I do really REALLY really want to eat a girl out, so I would much rather have the virgin.

>>84560874
Those "statistics" are always self-report and I would just assume women are giving answers that are about a third of reality - bringing the average including religious households, boomers, and so on from 3-5 to 9-15 which is in line with what I said and only requires assuming that women will lie about their bodycount (or say, well, i only blew him so that doesn't count, and other such 'loophole lies') which is more of an inevitability than a leap of faith. In any case, my perspective really comes from this:
>living in a major metropolitan area, most of the girls I knew had a body count approaching 10 by the time they were in their mid-20s. So totally different culture where everyone was having sex with someone new every few months
Major cities in the US is what I am referring to when I say "real world" bodycount thresholds. Sure, if you live in Heroin Holler, west virginia or shitmandeep village, india your situation may be different, and I wish you luck with your sub-5 bodycount wife in that case.

>>84560838
>who has seen what is out there and has refined her taste over time and has decided that you are her long-term choice even if that means she sees you as betabux? Or is it the virgin, who will imprint on you like a baby bird,
The key hack here is to focus on looking good and having an interesting life while neglecting your finances.
There is NO BETABUX when you have no money. And if she "settles" for you it is because your looks, romance, and personality outweigh your poverty. That's a good way to be.
Matches perfectly with alpha female slut type. She knows what she wants so you are secure. Hypothetically

I definitely don't want a meek baby bird bc I know how much they flirt in social situations. They don't just submit to you, they submit to every man they interact with.

>>84560826
What was she like? She sounds hot

>>84560921
>Sure, if you live in Heroin Holler, west virginia or shitmandeep village, india your situation may be different, and I wish you luck with your sub-5 bodycount wife in that case.
LMAO. Gottem

>>84560935
>I definitely don't want a meek baby bird bc I know how much they flirt in social situations. They don't just submit to you, they submit to every man they interact with.
Very true. I spent a few years with a girl like this, and if they cheat on you or not is just a pure gamble. They aren't likely to actively pursue it but they have a hard time resisting a man who comes onto them at all so you're just gambling and hoping nobody else tries to fuck her. They also aren't very much fun because although they are functionally whores in terms of body count and so forth, that lack of proactivity carries over into the relationship and you should expect to have to always initiate everything. Rapist anons may have a better time with this kind of girl because your dick goes soft if she shows any interest and you want to feel like you're coercing her into it every time, but for me it was a challenge.

>>84560874
The dude said fucking fifty guys is a normal body count for a woman who has had a couple relationships while in college, meaning for every promiscuous casual sex relationship she had she cheated on him with 24 guys. That's cucking her fuckbuddy once a month every month year after year after year after year.
This is why I don't feel bad for having reasonable and fair standards. It's considered normal for a woman to have slept with over four entire football teams worth of men, cheating on you before she even become aware of your own existence. In military terms that is more than two entire platoons.
My future wife will be a virgin. If not, when I give her an engagement ring and she accepts I will take her clitoris at the same time. It's not nearly as valuable as her virginity, but it is a token gesture and reasonable first step of making penance. She would have to first convince me she is coming from a place of true and genuine contrition. Even though I'd be wearing gloves and following sterile procedure it's still an unpleasant thought an task. To cut her filthy sin out. I expect her to be penitent the rest of her life and make in up to me for making me have to lower myself to such a level just to be able to lift her up to a position of barely being recognizable as human. She must be grateful. I'd like to amputate her vocal cords too, but then how would she pray for forgiveness or teach my children to read? She'd have a lot of praying to do and majority of her remaining days had better be spent on her knees. Seems like she was perfectly content spending her college years in such a way so she must make up for that. Normal people are disgusting and subhuman. Pure wickedness.

>>84561497
Powerful post anon, but while I love your desire to mutilate and punish women, you have some logical inconsistencies.
>for every promiscuous casual sex relationship she had she cheated on him with 24 guys
Cheating is not a relevant concern in this case, since they are not in a committed relationship.
>That's cucking her fuckbuddy once a month every month year after year after year after year.
Same here - not sure why you have taken the mental model of one "fuckbuddy" who is giga-cucked rather than the accurate model of a bunch of chads who don't care about her existence with 1-3 "boyfriends" she barely cheats on sprinkled in.
>cheating on you before she even become aware of your own existence
This is not what the world "cheating" means. If you consider women who you are not in relationships as your personal property, which would be based fundamentally, I have to inform you that you are Beyond Ultracucked on the scale of billions of times per week for all the times other men fuck women you have not met.

>>84557918
slut gf
She can be a virgin, too, I don't really care about that.

>>84557918
What if she's a virgin because she can't have vaginal sex?

>>84561553
As usual, your kind lacks any basic ability to reason or engage logic. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Sometimes shit happens, a husband dies in war but she still needs to eat as do her dead husband's children. That why some men take a second wife, out of charity. She is not practicing charity when she is cheating, and I am not billions of men as you somehow erroneously came to believe. I am one man. A realistic man at that.
Chances are my wife is a cheating whore. I havent even met her yet, but she was unfaithful. I don't wish to mutilate anyone. But if she's not a virgin I would have to at least try to purify her. That's quite a different thing from mutilation. Infidelity is infidelity, adultery is adultery. No amount of semantics you desperately attempt will ever change that. Sin is sin. Repentance, contrition, penance, and forgiveness are repentance, contrition, penance, and forgiveness. Somewhere along the way she knew it was wrong. If not the first time committing adultery then the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth, thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth, nineteenth, twentieth, twenty-first, twenty-second, twenty-third, twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth... Forty-eighth, forty-ninth, fiftieth time. There is no excuse for such behavior.

>>84561773
It's not adultery if you guys aren't married yet when it happens though, is the issue. You might not like it still but it's not adultery, cheating, cucking, infidelity, or anything else if it does not transpire within the temporal bounds of you being in a committed relationship with her.

>>84557918
With no other context your question is bascaily
>would you rather have used or new
first post >>84557928 already shows issues with how vague this question is.

>>84561805
You go girl slayyyyyy

>>84561805
You are extremely wrong, but I almost admire how confident you are about things.

>>84561960
I'm a native english speaker actually so I know what those words mean, you might need to learn some new ones for what you're talking about because right now you're using the wrong ones.

>>84557918
All i want to say is im grateful this art has a normal sized cock not a massive gut wrecking dong as usual
Kinda whitepilling

>>84562145
You're gonna be shocked if you find out whose cock it is

>>84562201
'cado

>>84562201
Whose is it? Please enlighten us.

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>>84562220
Just did a reverse image search. GG. Fuck my life. aaaaaa

>>84562201
>>84562230
>Marina
Dont care
Best written character in the game unironically alongside osaa
wouldnt be surprised if it's a self insert unless orange is a somalian and osaa is the self insert

>>84561999
You clearly don't know what the words mean. You got shat out of a pussy in a certain geographic location where people make mouth sounds and try to claim this as some kind of intellectual accomplishment? My admiration for your brazen unwarranted confidence is gradually turning into mirth.
Being a native English speaker means nothing. Millions of monolingual niggers in America are native English speakers. That doesn't qualify you nor them to speak on matters of religion. Especially if you insist on misusing and abusing words with established meaning.

This was a really good thread until "LE ADULTERY BEFORE WE MET" guy showed up again

>>84557918
The only girls that have been nice to me have been sluts, so I'll take a slut.

>>84562414
You're more than free to pick the slut. It's a disgusting choice and I'm absolutely judging you for it, but at the end of the day you liking second hand cum because you are demihomosexual is between you and God(and your slut gf(and all the different guys she fucked))

>>84558379
>Sucking
>Twerking on your dick

>>84562414
Is this guy a local character I've managed to successfully ignore until now? My bad if so, wouldn't have engaged, I thought he was a one-off retard as I haven't noticed his brainlet takes before.

>>84562442
Sometimes good people have sex and it's not a horrifying porno scenario or zero sum game of exploitation and abuse like the incels want to believe.

>>84562522
>It's a disgusting choice and I'm absolutely judging you for it
Your opinions are so low status you would be laughed out of the room in any adult gathering, so your judgement isn't going to land. You can chase naive virgins all you want. This is a game of evolution and the best strategy will reveal itself over generations. I think that currently some of the best genes are being written off with your hard line stance.
I do hate the idea of a woman being with another man before me, but I also recognize it as an evolved defense against cuckoldry in the paleolithic era. It's an effort to avoid low status females. If you take the instinct for what it is and try to apply it to modern Life. You can see where nuance creeps in. If paternity is guaranteed, there's one issue solved. If women are emancipated the entire dynamic shifts from one of male exploitation to something again more nuanced. I think you were leaving money on the table, in fact, probably leaving out 95% of eligible women, by having this virgin requirement. And the woman you might love more than anyone on Earth has already been with somebody. I don't know. It's possible that you're making a mistake

>>84562537
I've seen this take posted at least three times in the past month, maybe the past week. I respect his his opinions. I think his instinct is spot on accurate for our evolved anxieties which are justified by eons of human evolution. But again, I think those eons are over and we are living in a situation we are not evolved to handle. It's uncomfortable and sucks but we are thinking apes and there is an argument for a more pragmatic approach that accepts slutty behavior so you don't have to live in a state of permanent suffering and can actually manage to reproduce

>>84562568
I don't even blame him for wanting a virgin wife (reasonable) nor wanting to cut her clit off (not to my taste, but based) or for being a religious schizo (also based). I only really take issue with the specific line of reasoning he takes which outs him as literally psychotic rather than just extremely devout to any real tradition, and the fact that he's obviously some kind of weird foreigner.

>>84562579
>literally psychotic rather than just extremely devout to any real tradition, and the fact that he's obviously some kind of weird foreigner.
Kek. Gottem

>>84557918
Virgin, slut for only me

>>84560685
Yes, you never know what you're going to get with a virgin in 3,5,10 years. A girl who has been banged out by hundreds of men who wants to be your gf has reasons that seem rational to her for it. After about 30 dicks, she has a large enough sample size that she knows what's out there and how you rate.

They may be horrible (for you) reasons, she may be lying, she may also be irrational, but her experience means that she is actually capable of making a decision.

The virgin will forever have FOMO or resentment about missing out on the fun the other girls had. Or she has extremely weird ideas about sex that will clash with the reality of your relationship when you try to have a first time.

>>84560877
The virgin has no reference. She assumes you are normal, and if she sees someone she thinks is hotter in the moment, she will assume that it will be 'better', especially because she has no idea what 'better' is.

It will only be after getting run through by dozens of men that she may start to realize that sex with you was pretty ok.

>>84562568
>>84562579
I wrote out a post and tailored it to the character limit but am baka and refreshed by accident after proofreading. Very frustrating. I said some stuff that almost sounded smart and included lots of Bible stuff.
Basic idea was you point out a fundamental incompatibility with reality. We may not be so different except for our specific backgrounds and reaction to this unfortunate slut dimension we are in. What difference does it make if I ask for a bare minimum standards wife or bare minimum + she has laser vision and talks to animals? Virgin Christian wants to be wife and mother might as well be impossible. Nothing makes up for lacking the basic elements. Cool if it really were so easy as cutting her sin out and you got a goodwife. Fact is we have no Jezebels or Delilahs, not even a Leah or Bathtubsheba. Certainly no Rebeccas or Marys. Meteor in the sky burns up, you find no meteorite. Wish in one hand for meteorite and wish for moon and stars in the other. Same outcome, but at least one seems slightly more interesting and noble.

>>84562681
Been with my wife 12 years and no issues. Leftovers enjoyer cope.

Women get crazier with each partner.

If guy 1 could do something, you must be able to and more.
If guys 1 and 2 could each do something, you must be able to do both and more
If guys 1, 2, and 3 could each do something, you must be able to do all of that and more
If guys 1-20 could each do something, you must be able to do everything the did combined and more.

Weird how you retards will do everything except listen to men with completely calm relationships where arguments have never existed.

This has to be some weird mental illness cope.

>>84560935
job loss and finances is one of the highest divorce causes

>>84562893
It's just that no one cares because this is "I won the lottery, why don't you just do the same thing" posting. Thanks for the tip, i'll buy a couple powerballs

>>84562666
>They may be horrible (for you) reasons, she may be lying, she may also be irrational, but her experience means that she is actually capable of making a decision
Yeah. If she's still desirable and not when she comes across you, and thinks the sex is great, then that's validating at least

>>84562894
>job loss and finances is one of the highest divorce causes
Yeah so just don't have money when you meet her and never make money. There's no betabux dynamic that way. If you can't attracted her without money then that's not good and you need to think hard about what you want from life. IMHO

I'm coping though because I'm just describing my life. The only thing I've ever had to offer was looks, sex, and personality. No virgin would ever want me so I get picked by sexual experienced women who don't need money and want sex and romance

>>84560845
How 'bout the europeans? Just as whorish?

>>84563373
Everyone in France is constantly cheating on each other

>Would you rather have a slut gf or a virgin gf? Be honest
I'd rather have a virgin who wanted to be trained to be my personal and permanent slut.

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>>84557918
I'll have one virgin slut gf please

>>84557918
virgin slut gf I demand it

People love arguing about this shit but ultimately it's pointless because people are different and value different things. Jealousy, disgust, loyalty, feelings of betrayal etc.

Most people want to feel good in the moment and want sex and romance, they don't care if their current partner has previous partners. Their view of relationships is casual and feelings based. They "love" a person for a few months until they get bored and then they find a new person to "love".

Some people have a rational and transactional view of relationships. A way to climb the social status ladder, ensure your lineage etc. They don't care if their partner is a slut unless it becomes a social problem, then they drop them immediately. >>84562555 this guy for example, talking about "a game of evolution and the best strategy"

However, some people value loyalty and "honor" above everything and are literally terrified of sluts, they are the people suffering in the modern casual system because to them nobody can be trusted. Many people in this category consider it a betrayal for their partner to not be a virgin. They hate liars and people who are dishonorable.

Also, the effect of previous partners is different on people. Some people become more bitter with each failed relationship, so every next person gets a worse deal than the previous, baggage. The first guy she's with gets a young woman who is happy, naive, full of life, excited about the future. The 20th guy gets a bitter woman who will be purely transactional and casual because at this point, why commit anymore?

I took my wife's virginity and her lower libido causes us to have sex only once a week. I'd rather she have been a total whore who'd slept with hundreds of men before me if it meant we were banging once or twice a day.

the slut
1.i dont wanna take her virginity its too much work and responsibility. and i heard it gets messy
2. i want her to have a high libido
3. i talked to both kind of women and i find it easy to talk to the slutty women compared to virgin one, they are more open minded then virgins
4. the slut will know what to do with my dick
5. and i aint any innocent soul either , so i dont wanna preach about morality and marriage

and its my gf we are not forced to marry in the first place and its a hypothetical question so i am expecting we are in a loving relationship already.

>>84557918
The choice is obvious but I won't share it

>>84557918
Either is fine as long as she's honest about what she is. This is the thing that women fail to grasp the most. It's not the thing itself but the lying about it constantly and the deception. I don't care if you're a slut or a virgin but just don't try to sell yourself as something you are not

>>84564394
Hey friend, you need to reality check this.... Sex once a week is normal and sustainable. I've been married twice.
Even sluts will get tired of sex after the honeymoon period.
Raise her libido but lowering her stress, getting her lots of sleep and exercise, healthy eating, and constant praise of her beauty. You can do it!

>>84564893
Vagueposting should be illegal

Virgin goonette-in-making obviously.
Imagine choosing disgusting, filthy, repulsive used goods.
Rejected the beautiful confession of a girl friend I loved in highschool when we entered same university and got very close because she dated subhuman fuckboy(Pumped and dumped after 1 month). She literally gave herself away to some schmuck. Ewww.

>>84564019
Sniiifffffffffffff
Delectable

>>84558098
I think I saw a study put the number at under 5%. Because even the trad ones that want to wait until marriage just get married at 20-21.

>>84557918
I'll take one of each, a madonna and a whore, thanks.

>>84560817
A lot of women just keep their exes as FWBs or casual flings so even though they're constantly having sex, their body count doesn't increase.

>>84560874
You have to remember anon that lots of women will "fool around" with a guy, suck his dick etc so that it doesn't count as sex. Also a decent amount of women are in LTRs

>>84562526
teaching a girl to suck my dick takes like an hour, and twerking is literal gorilla nigger tier behavior no matter the context.

>>84560817
high effort bait

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>>84557918
>Le whores are better at sex meme
Wrong. Sex is not so complicated that you need a dozen bodies worth of practice to be good at it. It's so easy a money can do it. A fruit fly can do it.
And despite that, whores still suck at it. 90% of them are starfishes. And no whore who's settling down after a string of being burned out by sex is going to be anything but a dead bedroom.

Real life contradicts your stupid memes about whore women. They cant pair bond and you get a dead bedroom out of the deal.

Whores are just low-inhib children that can't be trusted with the power and responsibility of being the choosers of sex. They go buck wild trying to fill the empty space in their life and get nothing but mental illness from it. And who tf wants to have offspring with a low-inhib, unresilient idiot? You'd just doom your bloodline which means there was no point to procreating at all except stressing yourself out and providing for a pointless foid.

>>84557918
>virgin
Being the obvious answer but they all lost it at 12 so that's pretty unlike I'll get to fuck a virgin again

>>84566870
You said a dead bedroom is guaranteed after they settle down. Does that outcome require the assumption that all their previous sex was unsatisfying, or is it something intrinsic to them regardless of how much they enjoyed it?

>>84566980
The dead bedroom outcome only requires the assumption that all the memes and all the men on social media that remark having one aren't lying. And all the boomer memes in TV sitcoms decades before the internet where they joke about it way too often.

As for the exact causes, that's yet to be determined, but it's probably because if you do something a million times, it loses its novelty. And if you get used to doing it with younger more chad partners, then an older less chad partner isn't exciting at all. Both of these are exacerbated by having a whore phase.

>>84567065
>And if you get used to doing it with younger more chad partners, then an older less chad partner isn't exciting at all. Both of these are exacerbated by having a whore phase.
Good point

I don't totally agree but yours is a great argument. I just remember being young and very hot at 22 with a very hot 22-year-old girlfriend. We lived together for 2 years and this sex was wild and then died out to once a week in about a year. Then I've been married twice and the same pattern repeated. In my late twenties and late thirties. I think it's true what you're saying but also just a pattern no matter what age you're at.

>>84567065
>only requires the assumption that all the memes and all the men on social media that remark having one aren't lying
That's not an easy assumption to make.

>>84557985
Just so I'm clear, when you say a hoe who knows she's a hoe, is her self-awareness supposed to mean she never expects you to care about anything that ever hurt her, even if she's not asking you to fix it?

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Men say on paper that they prefer a lot of things.

So do women.

Pay attention to what people actually do.

Sexual partners in your distant past aren't a huge deal for getting married.

Most men value a lot of other things higher than "body count," and often it's the least attractive men who value "body count" the highest.

>>84567065
Of course, even if a woman has only had 4 or 5 partners, likely those were LTRs where she fucked them multiple times a day, in her car, at work, in a bathroom, in public at the park after dark, etc. They did all the "fun" with those younger guys and it was a novel experience.

There's really nothing the "older" guy can do either. It's not like he is going to be as big, or fuck as well, or be as in shape, or look as good as those guys she used to fuck. That's why the bedroom dies because it's an inferior product and many women would rather just use a vibrator or cheat at that point.

>>84567841
>even if a woman has only had 4 or 5 partners, likely those were LTRs where she fucked them multiple times a day

This is where a woman with 10 brief flings could be superior to one with 3 LTRs. Women rarely orgasm in hookups and if she has 3 a year that's one weekend of sex for an LTR in the honeymoon phase - and the LTR is way more intimate

>There's really nothing the "older" guy can do either. It's not like he is going to be as big, or fuck as well, or be as in shape, or look as good as those guys she used to fuck
Brutal truth

>>84567830
True, too bad these incels are coping lol

>>84565639
>Sex once a week is normal and sustainable
I broke up with my gf of 5 years a couple months ago because once a week compulsory 'scheduled maintenance' sex was not close to enough for me. If you're okay with it, that's fine but it ain't for me. Good luck with your forthcoming second divorce.

>>84568389
> Girlfriend
> 5 years
Baffling. You wasted 5 years of her prime without proposing and then dumped her because your weren't having sex enough?

Anyways, the relationship at 22 fell apart in the second year. Both marriages produced children and you will probably not be having much sex during pregnancy and infancy.
Inb4 low testosterone, mine is 99th percentile

>>84568765
In what way is that baffling? Should I have gotten married to someone I wasn't happy with? Do you think I care about "wasting her prime"? She was some bitch off tinder to me, I don't care, we were never getting married and she knew it all along. I have (at least, that I know of) 3 kids with 3 different women who I do not speak to. I'm never getting married to anyone. Cheated on the gf in question off and on the whole time we were together btw.

>>84568389
>Sex once a week
>normal and sustainable
atp im getting a side bitch

>>84568899
>In what way is that baffling? Should I have gotten married to someone I wasn't happy with? Do you think I care about "wasting her prime"? She was some bitch off tinder to me, I don't care, we were never getting married and she knew it all along. I have (at least, that I know of) 3 kids with 3 different women who I do not speak to. I'm never getting married to anyone. Cheated on the gf in question off and on the whole time we were together btw.

Damn, your life sounds terrible. Thanks for the insight

>>84568041
I agree completely. They would do better to get over themselves.

>>84568958
As well you should, but don't let our resident divorced second-wifeguy who is really happy tell you bare-minimum weekly obligation sex is all you can ever hope for. I'm looking for about 3x a week minimum to deal with a woman full-time and long-term. More practically, what matters is her being available on demand to a reasonable degree. Even if we fuck 3x a week, if it's completely on her schedule and what I want doesn't really matter or she just sticks coldly to the scheduled routine because she knows that's how she pays rent at my house, that isn't worth it either.