>>84581114
Honestly hypergamy is a problem, and women's standards have gotten ridiculous, but this whole not being worth it thing I think is a bigger factor than people even realize. Let's say it DOES work out and you date her. You even get married. You get through all that mess, and there's STILL a 50/50 gamble she will divorce you and any moment and financially destroy you.
Meanwhile AI girls will live you from day one and cost you less than $20 a month.
It's going to be an interesting future for the zoomers.

>>84581149
Yeah, even if you "win" there's a big chance you still lose. Then there's the fact that even if you're in the 50% that don't divorce, there's a large chance that you end up in a dead bedroom situation, fighting, nagging, other issues, and just overall not being happy. Also there's the reality that if you don't find your person when you're young (at LEAST before 25 but realistically 21) then there's a large chance you'll just be settling for a roastie when you're in your 30s.

>>84581114
yeah the main reason i never asked out my crush in uni is because she is part of my main acquaintance group whom i hang out with in between classes, do projects with, etc. If i did ask her out and she said no which is like a 90% chance, it would make the group fracture or far worse and more likely they would just push me out and i would be the completely alone autist until the end of uni. i even thought she liked me but guess not since she immediately started dating some 35 year old 90iq pick up artist who went to her gym and asked her out. later when he couldnt even do her workout he admitted he never actually worked out, he just went to the gym to pick up women and she was the first one to accept. oh an also he is an unemployed NEET who never even finished high school, but his dad is some criminal guy in the mafia so he has infinite money so he can just do nothing all day except drive around in his dads bmw and gamble online.

this is the guy she went for and is still with. imagine if i had asked her out. holy shit. hahaha

>>84581114
>People say to just "go for it" but don't want to acknowledge that most of the time it isn't worth it.
Too true, anon, too true
>For instance once you ask a girl out and she rejects you...
Oh, you meant getting rejected wouldn't be worth it? That's usually the least harmful outcome.

>>84581114
>it'll forever be awkward between you
who gives a fuck?
I'm shameless to the point where if she rejects me, I'm cool with it because I've got options

>>84581114
you posted this verbatim on /pol/ a few minutes ago because you're a massive faggot demanding attention. you are a fucking loser. that's why you can't get a girlfriend in your 20s. there is no other explanation. any man who can't get a girlfriend in his 20s is a loser. remember that image of the stack of males and all the females going for the men higher in the stack? well you're one of the males on the bottom. because you're a loser. i hope you die alone, because i have never once posted an off-topic thread on any board ever. that alone tells me that you deserve utter eradication for believing yourself to be special compared to the rest of us who aren't impeding others' usage of the site.

>>84581287
im not op, but why does not having a girlfriend in your 20s make you a loser? i am 23yo virgin and ive never had a girlfriend and i don't think i'm a loser by any metric. i am one of the top utudents in my uni, have a good paying student STEM job, have lots of hobbies that i am very good at and am appreciated in those communities as skilled/knowledgeable... And i know plenty of other early/mid-20s virgins with no girlfriends who are not losers but are exceptional, talented, amazing guys. But i know lots of guys who get women and have always had girlfriends that are complete dead-end losers and generally pieces of shit.

>>84581363
>know lots of guys who get women and have always had girlfriends that are complete dead-end losers and generally pieces of shit.


NTA but I would argue those guys are better off than the guys that are doing "everything right" but still alone. 23 years old means you've been through high school AND college and haven't even found one gf to fuck. I think something like 95% of people have had sex by that age. It's one thing if you just have fwbs or whatever, but to have no women by that age is a reflection of what women think about you.

Those loser guys that get with women are like that because they have women. They've already "won" in life.

>>84581210
I mean dude has money and the confidence to do PUA so that's what drew her in. Also if she's a mid nerdy girl, she probably has the insight to realize she likely won't find a rich guy like that easily. He also has the "bad boy" aspect because of his dad and likely has free time to looksmax. Once you realize women care about looks and money more than they do about how "good" you are, they make sense.

>>84581390
well then i guess to be exceptional you have to sacrifice something. i don't think i could ever live like the "normal" guys who work their supermarket jobs and then go home, get fatter and gamble on sports. They dont have any drive. I talk to their girlfriends, since I'm quite sociable, and they are constanrly complaining about them. Like the girlfriends want to go on a trip somewhere, but their boyfriend is too lazy to go, or another girlfriend wanted to move to a bigger apartment and maybe have kids a few years down the line, but the boyfriend couldn't finish university, dropped out, is working as a bartender at some shitty dive bar next to their tiny apartment and revealed after 7 years together that he doesn't want kids because they are too much work. I have heard dozens of stories like this, yet all these women stay with these men.

And the guys with no girlfriends i mentioned aren't some mediocre guys, i'm talking about award winning classical musicians, conductors, STEM researchers, fucking doctors. Basically all the really exceptional guys i know never got any women. Except one guy who is part of some.weird religion so he got arrange married at 16.
Your post really got me thinking and i realised now that almost all of these guys have no girlfriends.

I think the reason is time. If you spend so much time getting better at your thing, like research, or practicing your instrument, or doing your sport, you dont really have the opportunity to meet women. Girlfriends are an enormous time sink from what i hear in conversation.

>>84581287
Wow that really made me feel bad. Oh wait no you just look like a seething queer

>>84581114

OP do you really want to live with the regret of not-telling her?

>>84581460
>they are constanrly complaining about them.
They complain but notice how they're still with them like you say. Where as the guy that is doing the "right" things in a relationship will give the girl the "ick" and she will leave him and never think about him again.

Girlfriends are a time sink, but people still have lots of casual sex. All the women that focus on their careers and aren't dating anyone are still having sex. Yeah you can work on being better but a late night sneaky link is maybe an hour at most once or twice a week.

Also one of my friends is a doctor. He said in his medical school class and in residency all the people that were even semi attractive were already partnered up or had someone already. Only the less attractive people went through medical school and residency without at least once series partner. Of course some people were single but just had fun but they weren't incels.

>>84581564
okay but the point was why are they losers just for being virgins with no girlfriends? my current roommate is in his final year of medical school, he is going to specialise in abdominal surgery, top of his class... and he is a virgin without a girlfriend. but why would just the last thing make him a loser?

>>84581549
i am not op, but i never understood this. i never told anything to any of the women i had romantic feelings for, and i dont feel any regret. in fact, most of the time thinking back i think "thank God i never told her, it would have made things so awkward". I think i would regret it more if i confessed and got rejected and then still had to see hernevery day for the next few years. That shit would break me.

>>84581114
People who suggests go for it should be required to watch a truly ugly person ask out 10 random women.

>>84581607
Not even truly ugly, just not that attractive or mid.
>>84581598
Because getting a gf and having sex is a function of your social life and social standing. Even if you were super religious and wanted to wait until marriage for sex, you'd be married at that age. You can do well in one area of life but fail at another, we see this all the time. For instance those "loser men" are successful in their social lives by having multiple women and friends, but not successful in their professional lives. It's the opposite with you. Nothing wrong with it but it IS concerning. If you were say 16 or 17 it wouldn't be that big a deal but by 23 you should have had at least ONE girlfriend.

>>84581658
i just dont get the focus on sex and relationships because i was never exposed to it in such a manner in my environment i guess. my parents were both virgins until 30 when they met, mom was a sheltered farm girl single child, dad was a neet with a helicopter mom and a whipped dad. i was always in male dominated places and in top schools so most of the guys there had no girlfriends and were hyper focused on performance, we never talked about girls and stuff. just different standards i guess. to me a guy who has had sex with 50 women but works a dead end retail job with no plan or drive is a loser just as i am a loser to him. and i am merely saying that my metric is better than his.

and for the record, i do have social standing and respect, just not in social spheres where young women frequent.

>>84581114
Your whole post is irrelevant. It's a list of things that go wrong when things don't have to go wrong at all. Just don't ask out uninterested women!
You can tell if a woman is interested in you because she will become flirty and stupid. Don't assume that you're a guy and she's a girl that there's a potential relationship there. Let her show interest first, THEN ask her out.

>>84581549
What would that accomplish though? If that woman actually liked you she would have suggested you two do something or she would have made things easy for you.

>>84581287
>any man who can't get a girlfriend in his 20s is a loser.
America is the number one market for cocaine ON EARTH. 1 out of 2 American adults have tried drugs in their lives. Mostly Cannabis, but the thing is: cannabis does make you ultra horny and makes you feel things that "open your eyes" to what other drugs can do.
Listen to lil peep song "giving girls cocaine".
This actually was told to me by my brother once, he is a winner, once he was driving somewhere and a huge epic thot wearing leggings walked across the street, he pointed to her and said: girls like this give themselves to anyone who gives them drugs.
I actually didn't understand this too well at the time and had to rediscover this on my own. Probably same thing for many on this thread. It is global and universal phenomenon.

>>84581114
If they don't come from super healthy family backgrounds, most of the time they are fearless and have this confidence because of drugs. Drugs makes them feel invincible, and horny, and energetic and *not care*

Watch the endjng of Scarface, he gets shot many times and still stands on his feet.
Then ask grok to tell you about the reality of drugs and war time. Your great granddaddy didn't have PTSD because of war, he had MASSIVE methamphetamine withdrawals this is why shadow people didn't let him sleep. Which does not mean war isn't bad, but that in war they make you take drugs because it is easier for you to do atrocities like BLOWING UP PEOPLE.

>>84581598
>he is going to specialise in abdominal surgery, top of his class... and he is a virgin without a girlfriend. but why would just the last thing make him a loser?

Because it does. Surgeons are stereotyped as being alpha males that are also super smart. If his attendings knew that about him they'd likely judge him for it. Only way that they may not care is if he was Arab/Muslim and they would understand. If he's some white guy though... Also while he may be successful in the future, I remember most people here said they'd rather be a "Chad" that got to fuck around in high school and college but ended up with an average job than to be the virgin surgeon at 35

>>84581685
- what if they never show interest or become flirty or stupid
- what if they act ditzy and flirty and stupid with everyone
- what if you have no experience with relationships and dont know what classifies as flirting

Ive had like a dozen situations where i have a meaningless quick interaction with a woman and afterwards the guys i was talking to beforehand tell me that the girl was flirting with me. Recognising flirting is a key talent and ability that some do not posess. And the combination of common sense doctrines like "dont ask out women who are not interested" and the inability to recognise flirting means you will never ask a girl out because "she is just being nice".

the solution would be to have a coach constantly monitoring all your social interactions through a hidden camera and telling you whether a girl is interested or not.

>>84581685
>You can tell if a woman is interested in you because she will become flirty and stupid.
In the case of the United States of America, where 1 out of 2 adults have drug neurons, you have to stand in front of her and wait to activate her Jennifer White cocaine neurons network.

In japan, it is 3 out of 100 adults who tried drugs in their lives, drug trafficking is not even top 10 most lucrative evil actives of the Yakuza.

All Americans have drug induced sexual compulsive disorder, this is why there is a lot of humiliation towards guys who are "incels"(don't use drugs) in favor of abusechads(drug addicts)
They feel the drugs coming from people.

What you say, what you wear, who you are does not matter.

It is entirely drugs with 1 out of 2 American women. You cannot turn them on and make them interest if you don't do drugs which gives them that abusechads/bad boy vibe.
The other half who never did drugs? They don't have drug induced sexual compulsive disorder. Most likely don't even have that many sexual partners their whole life


You actually have been admiring drugs addiction lifestyle thanks to American culture.

>>84581679
>i just dont get the focus on sex and relationships because i was never exposed to it in such a manner in my environment i guess.

It doesn't have to be what you focus on, but if it's not something that at least somewhat happens in your life as an adult, then yes it's an issue. I'm glad it worked out well for your parents, but that's just not how it is nowadays.

>>84581721
i dont think truth is determined by pop culture consensus. and i know a lot of doctors, some surgeons, some not. most are gangly nerdy types. the one closest to a chad stereotype is my gym buddy, specialising in hematology, benches 120 kilo for 5 reps. also no girlfriend though haha. Maybe because I'm not american or because i mostly frequent STEM and classical music social spheres, but i really don't see much casual sex happening. I know of only one guy who uses dating apps (and that was spread by rumour, since it's somewhat frowned upon). Apart from that, the vast majority of guys who have girlfriends or fiancees have been with them since high school. Almost nobody entered a relationship during uni in my experience. Maybe it's different for humanities students with less stressful curricula, or in america.

>>84581685
>You can tell if a woman is interested in you because she will become flirty and stupid.
Biggest issue is many guys are too autistic to tell. They mistake niceness for flirting and in general women don't like them so they can't recognize the flirting.

>>84581114
>spark or chemistry
Yes, drugs are chemistry

>>84581761
how does one go about "making it happen"? i am assuming clubs and dating apps. but i still like to think that i will just meet a girl one day that i mesh well with and that's that.

>>84581708
Yes drugs make women into sluts and colleges are primed for making women into sluts by getting them to party and engage in drugs and hookups. For your second point, sometimes the lack of fear is from years of success from being "that guy".
>>84581723
I'm honestly surprised none of the online "redpill" guys are willing to spell out when women are flirting or how to flirt.

>>84581763
What country do you live in if you don't mind me asking? I can understand this thought process if you're in some strict Muslim country, but in the west this just isn't true. So many attractive women already have 10-15+ bodies by 21.

>>84581759
>>84581750
>>84581708
I read this entire thing twice. The first time I thought you were a fucking retarded schizo, but thinking more about it you might be right. I had a friend that dealt drugs in college just for the women. You can be a nobody but if you're the person selling drugs, you'll always have women willing to fuck for them. I still don't 100% agree with your reasoning but I do think there's something about how women get exposed to "bad boy vibes" and if you don't have that they'll never feel that "spark" with you.

>>84581784
"meeting a girl" happens when you're young (high school/college age). After that, your best bet is dating apps or bars/clubs. Hobbies, gym, work isn't that good though since there are higher risks for dating or asking them out. Nowadays most people are hooking up using Instagram.

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Don't be sad they are on drugs, that's what I am saying.

Drugs are extremely expensive. You don't fit because you don't have that money.
If you did, they would consciously plan the divorce many for many years while cheating behind your back.

>>84582040
Bro really killed this thread with the schizo talk

>>84582018
genuinely what does meeting a girl look like, what does it mean? what makes a girl feel attracted to a guy to the point of wanting a relationship with him? this shit is so fucking alien to me

>>84582130
This is one of those things where if someone has to sit down and spell it out for you, it's not something that is meant for you and it's better to not say anything.

>>84582180
no no, dont worry. you can spelll it out for me. im a big boy i can take it. since it is something so simple and fundamental you can easily explain it :)

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>>84581114
It's interesting that normies are getting blackpilled in slow motion, I think they're just now getting over their looksmaxxing phase, and they're starting to realize that it just simply is the case that they're unlucky and nothing can change that for them

>>84581114
She is not Brazilian she is a hapa wmaf background

>>84582228
It's really just about how women choose the guy. Women are constantly scouting for men so if they think you're hot, they'll insert themselves into your life. My female friends all told me that they would go somewhere and quickly try and date the cutest guy there that also isn't a bad person. The idea that the man has to chase is cope that they tell men to make them being undesirable a moral failing.

>>84584075
so most men are considered undesirable? that can't be good for society

>>84584148
It's how it has always been. It's just that before the men would "settle" for being beta providers once the women are in their late 20s/early 30s and be a cuck. now men know that's how women view them which is why marriage has gone away.

>>84582262
It took them forever to get blackpilled about the Jews. With women it hurts more because many dont WANT to believe it's over.

>>84584267
maybe in america. here in europe just 2 generations ago it was different. both my grandfathers, who were 24 and 26 got arrange married to my grandmas who were 16 and 17 respectively. That was how shit was done for thousands of years before the 1960s.

>>84584586
well that world is gone sadly...

>>84581114
"show me a girl you'd love to fuck and I'll show you a guy who's tired of fucking her"

>>84584893
Yup, aint none of these women are going without sex and no one is happy

>>84585034
Life is life anon...

>>84581685
>let her show interest
Never had a woman show interest in me in my entire life
>inb4 muh they were many youre just too autistic to notice
Never had a woman talk to me or even glance at me

>>84581772
>implying women ever flirt with us

>>84586485
>>84586475
I mean in that case you have the answer. YOU going up to them and trying to start something will just end in you being rejected.