>>84595841
ok... so you know how i have been posting about my gf leaving me for a guy from gw2?
turns out this fucker is LAODED. he flew her into his town on a private fucking jet

Anyone that has spent a bit here knows that men whining is retarded. There's not really any intention to communicate just to try to blame anything else instead of focusing on solving the issue, improving or learning to accept what can't be changed.

Women lose respect because you just fail to see it, which correctly makes you look retarded in their eyes. That's why they keep saying that most "insights" men happen to discover are shit they realized like at 11 years old, in that regard they're not wrong at all

I've not had quite that, but a similar repeated experience. Once I get a little bit of confidence and stand up for myself it all falls apart into fights, arguments and breakdowns for no good reason. And like you say, it always has to resolve around blame for them -- if they can find a way to make me out as the bad guy (and for that, no more than emotion is needed) then nothing I say matters and my point of view doesn't matter.

'Communication' is mostly just a cop-out term when what they really mean is constant validation and to be allowed to say anything they want to you under the name 'good communication'. Even if a girl says she wants total openness and talking about everything, to ever raise an issue or try to present your own views is a total blunder. Catastrophical losing move.

I find it so difficult to care anymore. Oh, surely, -she- is different? She seems so great and unique! But no, it's the same routine with a different coat of paint. I was going to write something like that next time, I'll pretend not to care about her, but, really, I don't want a next time.

>>84595881
Absolutely right. But I wish I really could just raise and solve an issue or otherwise leave it, and let that be that.

>>84595845
Okay she's a fucking skank and I'd get over her. Women who move on to fucking someone else fast aren't worth it

>>84595881
Tf are you talking about? You just assumed a bunch of shit
Is me asking my ex to calm down about being so insecure about her appearance with me all the time a bad thing?

>>84595892
Thank you anon. You summed it up perfectly.
I try to not be rude but generally standing up for yourself directly doesn't work. The only thing that ever works is if you're a high value guy with tons of options. That seems to be the only thing that actually influences women these days

>>84595892
>if they can find a way to make me out as the bad guy (and for that, no more than emotion is needed) then nothing I say matters and my point of view doesn't matter
It's scary how accurate this is. Being completely nice doesnt work either because women view this as weakness and get turned off by it.

>>84595841
Their definition of communication is wanting you to yesman while she vents about her day, essentially a free therapist. Dont believe me ask a wise woman yourself they would be honest about it lmao. Personally i just let my partner do it because the longer she talks the more i know about her as she slowly edges towards revealing her personality

>>84596009
I've had an ex straight up tell me "you need your problems to be just as important as mine and I can't do that"
Essentially, "baby me and shut the fuck up about your issues"
Weird bitch lost her virginity with my name carved on her cunt too
Tbh I don't even care if she sees this because I'll most likely be dead soon

>>84595841
Do any male anons here find that their partners slowly start losing respect for them in relationships?
I see women whining all the time about how their guys refuse to communicate but from my experience any time I've tried to talk to any of my partners about what bothers me, or about things we need to work on, they just shut down the conversation or get into a massive argument blaming me for everything

It seems like they just refuse to actually listen to what I've noticed. The only time they truly like me is at the beginning when I don't take them seriously and I'm simply having fun with them
I can't add anything, I'm in the same situation down to a t. What is the solution apart from dumping them and starting again, I want a family

>>84596048
I don't know anon, I don't know. My last gf literally wanted me to get her pregnant but something felt off.
There's literally only been one that I actually felt cared about me but she turned out to be an embarrassment after the fact
In each of these relationships I've basically pushed them to talk about our issues or leave (only when I feel like things are at a breaking point). Most of them just shut down and close off
One of them waited till I fully opened up to her like she wanted and then ditched me the very next day with 0 warning

>>84596071
>>84596048
Oh the part about her wanting to get me pregnant isn't a brag btw. She would shut down when any discussion of her behavior came up. I wasn't about to get this lunatic pregnant, she was genuinely unhinged and a complete sexual freak, so it's probably not the best example

>>84596080
Wanting me to get her pregnant** ffs

>>84596080
>My last gf literally wanted me to get her pregnant but something felt off.
I'm in that position right now, I'm paranoid she'll take the baby and leave

>>84595841
>I've tried to talk to any of my partners about what bothers me, or about things we need to work on, they just shut down the conversation or get into a massive argument blaming me for everything
All you can do is tell them and try to fix it yourself. Sometimes they will help. Sometimes they won't.
>they just refuse to actually listen to what I've noticed
It's mostly because they're uncomfortable with it. You just need to keep coming at it from different angles. Eventually, you'll find one.
>>84595881
>men whining is retarded.
It's not. Men have feelings, and will act on them. It would be wise to not get rid of the one window into the living weapon's mind you have.
>There's not really any intention to communicate just to try to blame anything else instead of focusing on solving the issue
It's hard to try to solve the issue if we can't acknowledge it even exists.
>improving or learning to accept what can't be changed.
These things are hard. It's why men are "whining" in the first place. They're asking for help.
>Women lose respect because you just fail to see it
Doesn't make any sense. Women ask for help from men all the time, and we don't suddenly lose respect. Men see a woman "whining" as an opportunity to help a woman and feel useful, generally.
>That's why they keep saying that most "insights" men happen to discover are shit they realized like at 11 years old, in that regard they're not wrong at all
If women have these insights even an 11 year old girl can see for decades before men, then why do they pretend what's obviously true isn't true?

>>84595964
Of course it is, you're basically taking her issue and saying "the problem is not how you feel, it's how this bothers me"
It's selfish af.

Yes, women are broken people incompatible with relationships, which involve empathy and willingness to sacrifice. This why you don't give them any respect nor treat them as equals

I hope this helps

>>84595841
I've noticed that men in relationships tend to be 100% whipped. It's hilarious when you see blue collar men's men and they're all tough as nails until their girlfriend is in earshot and their voice instantly goes quiet and pitches up until all they're saying is "yes dear. mhm yes dear"

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>>84595841
Kinda same. I feel like most women can't handle any sort of weakness, especially if it stays for a bit. They stop listening if it's something that bothers you rather quickly and lose interest.

Never seek any form of reassurance from a foid. Never become deeply attached.

Emotional maturity is attractive. You can tackle a difficult conversation without arguing or getting mad, or going on 4chan looking for other guys to jerk you off. Why would I respect someone who thinks they can dish it but can't take it?

>>84596639
Cause the guy is just putting on a persona around his "boys" and you see the mask slip in real time. It triggers the same response in your brain as feeling "betrayed", because he "deceived" you and believe it or not but men also desire things like trust and bonding

>>84595845
Your girlfriend left you for a guy on GardejnWarfare 2?

>>84595953
it happened over several month of emotional cheating
>>84597331
guild wars 2, even worse

>>84597338
At least an MMO makes for sense than some wacky plant shooter lol

>>84597279
>Emotional maturity is attractive. You can tackle a difficult conversation without arguing or getting mad
I've tried this in my relationshits and it was pointless. People don't want thoughtful conversation, they want to be validated. I voice disagreement without getting mad or framing it as a serious confrontation, and it only causes frustration in them.

>>84597428
Give an example of an argument you two had.

>>84597449
Didn't agree with one ex's delusions during her psychotic episodes and didn't agree to do some couple activities another one wanted me to, also couldn't convince either to get actual treatment (second was gigaBPD) no matter what. It just doesn't go anywhere. They simply repeated the same loop over and over and expect me to eventually give in. Even thinking about it is making me sigh and reminding me of how much I hate talking to anyone and that dating was shit.