>>84610125
Yeah, this is because you're not a Christian.

The core principle is salvation through Christ and living better while not letting shame from the past forever corrupt your future.

Most denominations understand and accept this core principle. The past can't be controlled. Move forward

>>84610125
Picrel, Aryan words

>>84610168
And that core principle is dumb
>christianity survived thousands of years because of that!
Because it appeals to retards and evil people trying to dodge accountability. Also, christians just from a hundred years ago would hate christians from today

"Christian" is a meaningless vague label. In fact even currently different denominations keep fighting

wow you're so based they can't forgive because it already be dat

Forgiveness only works for minor stuff. Oh, you broke a cup that I like? I won't get mad at that unless it was intentional

Now someone killed your parents? You need to be a super cuck to forgive that

>>84610258
Forgiveness is different from mercy. Forgiveness helps you move past things that were unfairly done to you. This is what we are called to, as it helps you flourish. Mercy is not giving someone the just punishment they deserve. That is our Lord's way, in final judgement. We are called to the opposite. Apply just punishment in this life, because it is the tool of a teacher. Punishment is good for the individual being punished, the punisher, and the society that does so righteously

>>84610211
pack it up 145iq apostles, prophets, church fathers, saints from across 2500 years of history -- random 4chan gooner finally figured it out on the fly

>>84610507
Alright, since fornication, adultery and such are sins. What punishment those people get in this life?
Never saw it, just say sorry and that's it. And if you doubt them, you're the fake christian instead because only muh God can judge

>>84610537
>evil people trying to dodge accountability
Evil people can and often are smart, nobody said otherwise

>>84610544
>what punishment?
One commensurate with the crime. We have logic, reasoning and debate. We can find a fair and just punishment, just as we did for every other crime. Perhaps a light sentence or fine, perhaps mandatory counseling. Many options exist.
Only God has the last word, on whom goes to Heaven. But we are called to righteously judge each other's actions for the good of one another, of society and for the cultivation of virtue. Judgement can be a virtuous action.

>>84610637
>Perhaps a light sentence or fine, perhaps mandatory counseling
See, you don't even see it as a big deal. It can't even be called a sin, just a small misbehavior like speeding
>Many options exist
And none are applied whatsoever

>>84610637
>>84610544

You know that before christianity became socially obsolete people used to do this thing where they admitted their sins to the priest and then the priest assigned actual punishment? Like keeping a fast, or praying 200 times. After that the person was forgiven. I dont remember exactly but punishment for adultery was something like like not wearing shoes for 5 years

>>84610678
All sin is a big deal, but that doesn't mean we execute or sentence life for every speeding grandma. All sins are equally disobedient of God and an equal betrayal of both His nature, and the nature He designed us for. But that is in His realm, we must rule differently here, while still seeking to maximize virtue.
>none are applied
Its not illegal numb nuts. Petition congress if you want cheaters executed by cock strangulation.
>>84610731
But Christianity was never Islam. The priest could not enforce that upon you. Thats why we have a government, the clergy should be separate.

>>84610877
>The priest could not enforce that upon you.
yes because your soul is your own business. the point is, forgiveness wasnt given out left and right just so that. it was earned

>>84610877
>Its not illegal numb nuts
Very christian of you putting the government above God lol

>>84610890
There was forgiveness, but that didn't mean there wasn't a punishment.
>>84610907
One's relationship with our Lord is separate from their government. And it is of higher importance. This does not contradict anything I've said

It doesn't mean everyone on earth is obligated to not hold you accountable, it encourages them to give you mercy to TRY to atone.

>>84610125
>God exists, but I hate religion because forgiveness is pathetic. What has been done can't be undone, simple as
Forgiveness is hard, especially when someone has done something "unforgivable" to you. That's why it's necessary. You're just following the wide path by not choosing forgiveness.

Infact, choosing not to forgive those who have done you wrong doesn't make you stronger or less cucked. All you're doing is keeping yourself enslaved to what that person has done to you, letting them rule over your life in a way because you won't let it go and move on.

Also to be clear, forgiveness doesn't mean absolving them of punishment necessarily. You can forgive a murderer while still having them sent to death row for what they did. It's about not carrying that burden on your soul any longer.

>>84610986
>Hard = good
Boomer

While most good things are hard to achieve, that's just correlation, not a requirement

>>84611074
>While most good things are hard to achieve, that's just correlation, not a requirement
So why is this an exception? It's easy to hate those who have wronged you, it's easy to want to get back at them, its easy to want revenge no matter how petty. Even the most braindead low intelligence non believing idiots out there fall into these thought processes. It's part of the sinful nature of our flesh, it's the baseline. You must be set apart from the sinful goats of this world, whether you're Christian or not. It is holy to be more than a base man giving in to base instincts.

Also I don't think you understand how freeing it is to forgive those who have wronged you. To cast that stone from your shoulders. I've watched plenty of interviews with people who forgave criminals that destroyed their life, and forgiveness helped them come to peace with it. Forgiveness is powerful.

>>84611129
Why is coming to peace with it the goal? Again, it's just weak people without any alternative, of course you've to accept it, you've no other choice besides that or torture yourself until you die
>It is holy to be more than a base man giving in to base instincts
Having kids is a base instincts yet it's considered good. Who decides which instincts are good or bad?

>>84611186
>Why is coming to peace with it the goal? Again, it's just weak people without any alternative, of course you've to accept it
But that's exactly the point here. Would a "weak" person really do the monumentally harder thing in forgiving those who wronged them? Or would a real weak person take the easy path and just hate those who wronged them because they lack the mental fortitude to be more?
>Who decides which instincts are good or bad?
Uh, God does?

>>84611312
>muh mental fortitude
If your wife cheated on you, and you forgave her, then you're a cuck

Being weaker is a better outcome in that situation

>>84611383
>being weak is bad, it makes you a cuck if you forgive someone
>unless it satisfies my dumb immediate anger, then being weak is good.

Have you ever considered that you would be the cuck in that situation because you would continue to seethe about it and let her dominate your mind for an extended period of time, if not your whole life? And again, forgiveness is not absolving them of wrongdoing or consequences. You could forgive her and still kick her to the curb for what she did. It's only being a cuck if you lay down like a doormat and let it continue to happen, which I think is what you assume forgiveness is.

>>84610168
>not letting shame from the past forever corrupt your future
It already did. You can pray or do whatever you want, the marks of what you did before never will disappear
It's impossible to bring back a broken plate 100% like it was before. The same way that it's impossible to reverse the damage in your soul

>>84611412
>>being weak is bad, it makes you a cuck if you forgive someone
>>unless it satisfies my dumb immediate anger, then being weak is good
Yes. That's because there's different types of "weakness" and different types of "strength"
If a guy kills his cheating wife, I'd call him strong, while someone like you probably would call him weak

>>84611423
Yeah, a lot of Christians do like to think that way but the truth is your sin does still have consequences in life. Even once you have repented and turned away from it.

I have no doubt that some women who partied hard and slept around before finding God and wanting to settle down genuinely have changed and are disgusted by their old ways. But a changed heart does not erase your sin. I think too many Christians aren't honest about this fact.

>>84611494
>If a guy kills his cheating wife, I'd call him strong, while someone like you probably would call him weak
Because he is, plain and simple. He is giving in to the base desires of his sinful flesh. Nothing more than a dumb animal repaying evil for evil. I have repeatedly said there is just punishments and forgiveness isn't entirely being some meek doormat.

But I feel it is pointless to continue to converse with you as you glorify violence and hatred like the evil creature you are. I can only pray you repent and see the error in your ways.

>>84610211
>>84611423
These are not psychologically healthy principles to live by, Christian or not. You don't even have to follow Jesus to understand that

>>84611609
>healthy
It's the truth. If you want to live in placebo, go ahead. But don't think your body and soul forget what you've done. People aren't pieces of paper that can easily be erased and written over again and again without remnants

>>84611564
If being a cuck is good, then I indeed prefer to be evil. Also evil should be repaid with evil, turn the other cheek and you'll be hit again

>>84611609
>psychologically healthy principles
I mean, what is good for you and what is real aren't often the same thing. That's also why retards are happy and extremely intelligent people often are miserable

They're hypocrites

>murder is a sin, if you commit it you should rot in a cell or be hanged
>rape is a sin, if you commit if you should rot in a cell or be hanged
>adultery is a sin, but we shouldn't involve the government and you can't do anything about it or hurt your spouse, just move on

>>84611186
>>Who decides which instincts are good or bad?
Our Lord writes the natural law on every man's heart. We can deduce this law with the logic he also gave us, through debate with reasonable people.
>>84611383
A cuck is permissive, this is the opposite. There is both just punishment, and forgiveness, which requires acknowledgement of the wrongdoing and a commitment to repent and try, mightily, against such behavior again. We all have our worst temptations, no man's sin is worse than my own, nor mine, his.
>>84611423
We live in a fallen world, we were broken with an inclination towards the evil, disobedient and disorded.

>>84612039
That is a fault in the human system of government (which did not use to be the case btw). This is not an argument against Christianity nor its principles. The government is separate, intentionally and by design. It too, is fallible.

>>84611686
>>84611671
You seem to accurately assess reality, yet resist the urge to strive for higher than the muck we find ourselves in. There is the personal possibility of being greater than you are now. More fulfilled, more at peace, more content. But you see reality and reject that which says you can escape. That which says it doesn't have to be that way, and rather, there is a promise that it will not always.
Why is that, I wonder?