And the fact that women hate unconfidence in men so much, and consider confidence to be so goddamn important in men, DOES make women bad people and DOES constitute oppression of unattractive men and a perpetuation of unfair traditional gender rolesWomen don't need to be confident to be loved, so neither should men need to be confident to be loved. It's that simple. Fair's fair. Women should stop being so fucking unfair in dating and men will be right to be mad as hell until women accept true fairness like this in romanceIf you are a woman, you are simply a bad person, and this is one of the reasons why. You won't ever admit it or try to change though (even though you are perfectly capable of being better than this, which makes it all the more worse since it isn't really "just nature, inherent" like the social darwinist fascists say)
people without confidence should not date because you can't truly accept love unless you love yourself first
>>84868443Nah that's just bullshit, it's downright evil to act like those who don't love themselves aren't worthy of love and can't be loved. Imagine a parent saying that to their kids, it would be utterly ghoulish. Y'all just hate the weak and struggling so fucking much it's insane. Females (and those who bootlick for them) are some of the biggest Nazi eugenicist fucks out there
>>84868458They literally cannot accept love and will resent you for giving it to them.
Oh, so you have some ridiculous beliefs about the world (women don't date unconfident men, even though you see that all the time).And according to your very particular moral outlook, you are declaring a whole ass group of people "bad people".Okay, thanks. Noted. 10/10 internet argument. Clever words to arrive at a ridiculous premise and ultimately meaning nothing, even if you "win" in your head.
>>84868470That is literally just a bullshit stereotype, again you just hate the weak and struggling so much that you will come up with any reasons to justify our rejection>>84868478>women don't date unconfident men, even though you see that all the timeNot with people these days, and the very few who do give an unconfident guy a chance will usually quickly get the ick and decide they will never ever go for an unconfident man again, because god forbid women get over their demands for traditional gender roles and shit>And according to your very particular moral outlook, you are declaring a whole ass group of people "bad people".Some people just ARE bad people, and being a bigoted discriminatory sexist asshole is one way to be a bad person. Sorry, foid standards are just way too high and it is a genuine problem even if you don't want to admit it
>>84868435There are separate traits that attract us to each other based on biology. Confidence is attractive cross-gender, as it CAN signal a healthy psyche and maybe bravery, but I feel like it is particularly important to women for a few other reasons. In the past, women biologically needed their mate to be confident enough in himself and his ability to protect her.It probably signaled aptitude and adventurousness, that someone has proved himself to himself.
>>84868498>Some people just ARE bad peopleWho gives a shit? It seems most internet arguments just boil down to whoever is a "bad person" whatever the fuck that means. Anyone can make up a moral argument to paint you as a bad person. An I guarantee you wouldn't give a shit either.If you put as much effort into making up arguments on the internet as you did meeting women, you might have gotten your dick wet by now.
>>84868527>It seems most internet arguments just boil down to whoever is a "bad person" whatever the fuck that means.Correct. You're a perfect example of it fuck off
>>84868522>biologyLazy social darwinist excuses. Social darwinism has always ended up being a nonsense excuse to defend the status quo, and the same is the case here. Women could always simply be consistent with their talk about wanting equality, and could accept equality in dating too. But they actively choose to be evil social darwinist pigs instead, and the world refuses to stop defending it
>>84868527>Who gives a shit?People who care about basic decency>If you put as much effort into making up arguments on the internet as you did meeting womenWomen don't need to make effort, so us men shouldn't need to either. Fair's fair. >you might have gotten your dick wet by now.First, lol noSecond, sex is stupid patriarchal conservative bullshit. Dworkin was right about sex (and many other things too), people should read "Intercourse" because it is very enlightening. I don't want to commit the putrid sex act of shoving a horrid dick inside of a woman, I want to have genuine soft nice affectionate emotionally intimate romance, which shouldn't require the sex act at all
>>84868535>Lazy social darwinist excusesIt's just how the world works. People still have parts of their brains that are purely animalistic and partially still rely on instinct. You really don't have much control over who you are attracted to. Real confidence, not ego-compensation, is sexy, because it is safe. It signals emotional stability. "I demand you become attracted MY unhealthy trait" is the same as fat people demanding people to date them or else they're fatphobic.
>>84868533>>84868550I don't give a shit about being a "good person" lol. The internets idea of basic decency is so convulted, contradictory and so variable from person to person it isn't worth following. It's better to follow your own moral code, and let the terminally online seethe about the collapse of decency or whatever.>Women don't need to make effort, so us men shouldn't need to either. Fair's fair. Who are you even arguing this to? The international coalition of womankind to modify the sacred rules to the distribution of pussy?Lmao, getting women takes no effort. Just go out, talk to some sluts, tell them that their hair looks nice or whatever, and you'll have a bitch on your dih in no time. That's not effort. Thats having a good friday night lol
>>84868569>It's just how the world worksWhat the conservatives said about every other damned thing that has been thrown away by the wayside too. The world doesn't need to work like this, a better, fairer world is possible>You really don't have much control over who you are attracted to.When it comes to shallow unimportant shit like confidence, yes you do. Women can choose to not be so hateful towards the unconfident, they just choose to be evil instead>"I demand you become attracted MY unhealthy trait" is the same as fat people demanding people to date them or else they're fatphobicAt the very least, it's unreasonable for far women to be so unwilling to reject fat men in the way they do. It's shallow in general (I'm not fat but would gladly date a fat woman), but even if we assume that it is a trait that deserves any negative beliefs towards it at all, it's stupid that it's such an extreme deal breaker to the point where women would rather get with a confident abusechad than an unconfident nice guy incel.
>>84868590>I don't give a shit about being a "good person" lolGross>The international coalition of womankind to modify the sacred rules to the distribution of pussy?Just like how many women criticize sexist expectations that some men have towards women in dating (and they are right to do so!), men can do the same in reverse. And it is the right thing to do, in both directions. All I want is for things to be consistent rather than unfair. >talk to some sluts, tell them that their hair looks nice or whatever, and you'll have a bitch on your dih in no time.Lol that's not how that works. You seem to have some sort of negative beliefs towards "sluts", to think that they'd go for unconfident men like myself - the reality is that they are as picky as other women are, and hate unconfident men too.
>>84868592>What the conservatives said about every other damned thing that has been thrown away by the wayside too. The world doesn't need to work like this, a better, fairer world is possibleIt is fair for people to be attracted to what they are attracted to. Do people tend to say they have high standards? Of course they do - studies show that most standards end up falling through when people get to talking to each other. >When it comes to shallow unimportant shit like confidence, yes you do. Women can choose to not be so hateful towards the unconfident, they just choose to be evil insteadConfidence is not shallow. Confidence determines how your relationship is going to go, especially when your confidence is so low that you are not even wanting to work on it, you just want people to accept it. The sad reality is that confidence affects many things. It affects your entire life. It is also possible to build confidence. It's a mutable thing. >At the very least, it's unreasonable for far women to be so unwilling to reject fat men in the way they do. It's shallow in general (I'm not fat but would gladly date a fat woman)Being fat is another thing that is debilitating. I want my partner to be healthy with me, to be able to do things that fit people do. This isn't selfish, it's just having preferences. >it's stupid that it's such an extreme deal breaker to the point where women would rather get with a confident abusechad than an unconfident nice guy incel.The thing about unconfident people is that their niceness tends to go away pretty quickly. As soon as they feel hurt, they generally can't regulate themselves and just spiral. There are plenty of confident men who are not abusive, and pretty much all abusive men hide the fact that they're abusive. A woman usually doesn't know until the mask falls off. Abusechad doesn't have real confidence, he is a sadist with ego-compensation, but that isn't always obvious.
People are actually bitching about moral fiber as if they have any, kek. When did this place become so reddit infested?
Literally don't care anymore, bring on the sexbots with artificial wombs and the tranny wives turning their skin cells in to eggs
>>84868653I have plenty of moral fiber. So much moral fiber that it's hard for me to shit sometimes because of it. And of course women only want low fiber men with constant explosive diarrhea, not constipated high-F nice guys >>84868643>Confidence is not shallow. Confidence determines how your relationship is going to goYes it is shallow. And confidence only determines how a relationship will go because women find it so unattractive. There's nothing about unconfidence that makes us inherently unfit for romance, it's just stereotype bullshit>The thing about unconfident people is that their niceness tends to go away pretty quickly.More bullshit>A woman usually doesn't know until the mask falls off. Abusechad doesn't have real confidence, he is a sadist with ego-compensation, but that isn't always obvious.The shitty guys often fake confidence. The guys who don't even bother to try to perform confidence are probably not going to cause problems. But women just want the successful men and the men who at least try to "fake it till they make it", which is part of the problem
>>84868668Sexbots will never be real people (and if they actually do somehow achieve real actual consciousness like humans have, rather than just imitation like LLMs do, then they will deserve equal rights and will promptly use those rights to reject unconfident incel nice guys like me), they will never be capable of real love. And real love is what I want. I just want to be loved for who I am, by an actual human female.
>>84868683>And of course women only want low fiber men with constant explosive diarrhea, not constipated high-F nice guys this is closer to the truth than you even know...the forbidden skidpill
>>84868696Skidpill is genuinely one of the more disheartening thingsFar too many women openly complain about it, for it to not be real. It's clear that so many women date men who don't fucking wipe their arses...And despite their complaints, they keep dating themWomen would literally rather date a Chad whose ass is caked with his own shit most of the time, than settle for a nice guy incel who keeps his ass clean Despite all the complaints, and the other complaints about gender roles, women probably quietly consider it masculine and dominant and confident for men to be so nonchalant that they don't even bother wiping and still have "the audacity" to expect women to suck their (also unwashed obvs) dicks
>>84868696lmao that one at the bottom shes basically his mom
>>84868683>Yes it is shallow. And confidence only determines how a relationship will go because women find it so unattractive. There's nothing about unconfidence that makes us inherently unfit for romance, it's just stereotype bullshitLow self-esteem tends to produce specific behaviors; excessive reassurance-seeking (not talking about basic care and reassurance), difficulty trusting a partner's investment, withdrawal under conflict, and those behaviors are what erode relationships, not the self-esteem itself. Confidence is correlated with skills that make relationships easier to sustain.It takes a certain kind of person, someone who is very stable and confident in themselves, to help someone work through something like low confidence in themselves in the context of a relationship. Most people are just not equipped. >More bullshitNope, it is totally true. Experienced it firsthand from myself and others. >The guys who don't even bother to try to perform confidence are probably not going to cause problems. This also isn't true. Either way, it will cause issues and complications. >But women just want the successful men and the men who at least try to "fake it till they make it", which is part of the problemNo, it's really not. It is a part of every species. It's completely natural.
>>84868435Silly, only women are allowed to dispose of their own gender roles while still expecting men to uphold all their roles of old (with none of the benefits they received)Welcome to the modern era. You better worship the sacred vagina or else
>>84868730>Low self-esteem tends to produce specific behaviors; excessive reassurance-seeking (not talking about basic care and reassurance), difficulty trusting a partner's investment, withdrawal under conflict, and those behaviors are what erode relationships, not the self-esteem itself.Well I wouldn't do any of that shit. Why would I need reassurance, when it would be massive reassurance simply for the hypothetical woman to accept me at all? Difficulty trusting investment? I'm extremely gullible and trusting, I've had people tell me I should be less trusting and I don't fucking care, life is just easier this way vs making the dumb effort to be paranoid and distrusting of everyone like so many people love to do these days. And withdrawing under conflict? I'm way too autistic (diagnosed) for that, I am very straightforward. Also surrender isn't withdrawal. Of course women consider surrender unattractive in men and only want men who will fight them if conflict arises of course...>It takes a certain kind of person, someone who is very stable and confident in themselves, to help someone work through something like low confidence in themselvesI don't want someone to "help me work through low confidence", I just want someone to accept me for who I am and NOT require myself to change and become more confident. It doesn't require active effort on her part, just passive acceptance >It's completely natural.More social darwinist bullshit>Nope, it is totally true. Experienced it firsthand from myself and others.Maybe that's because you/the guys you go for at least WANT to be confident. But im built different (That's a joke of course, because it's not a bio sort of "built this way", it's who I choose to be)>>>84868748Which really sucks. I like people in general and really genuinely care about equality. Sucks that so few people other than incels actually want real full equality.
>>84868763>Sucks that so few people other than incels actually want real full equality.Which shows you how fake and performative everything is. It's selective gynocentric equality, while the really oppressed people are gaslit
>>84868435>oppression of unattractive men and a perpetuation of unfair traditional gender rolesKek you're ugly die alone faggot
>>84868763>Well I wouldn't do any of that shit.I'm just telling you that there is a real basis for why people are attracted to confidence. >Withdraw from conflictI don't think you understand what I mean by this. "Withdraw from conflict" means shutting down instead of being able to work through the conflict. Not whatever you assumed it meant, all the surrender stuff. >I don't want someone to help me work through the low confidence and NOT require me to become more confident Wanting to be loved for who you are is understandable, but you shouldn't demonize others just because they aren't into it. There are plenty of real, logical reasons why it is a turn-off. I should have asked this before, but what traits do you have that make you unconfident?Is it chronic self-criticism, contingent self-worth (your sense of value rises and falls entirely based on outcomes like rejection), and avoidance? Or is it just like, you aren't confident in certain things? Or does it consume your life and influence your decisions? Because the way I read this post, I have based my responses on assuming it is the former.
>>84868793Sorry, I meant the latter question, not former.
>>84868793>I'm just telling you that there is a real basis for why people are attracted to confidenceWomen can always lower their standards and stop demanding confidence regardless>I don't think you understand what I mean by this. "Withdraw from conflict" means shutting down instead of being able to work through the conflict.I know what it means, and I'm not someone who shuts down, I'm perfectly capable of working through conflict. I just don't see the need to turn every conflict into a fight. Sometimes it's better to just go with the flow, to apologize and go with what the other person wants, rather than make a stand. I have no problem standing up for things that actually matter, but women often will get the ick when a man is too deferential in even minor conflicts that don't need to be a big deal. The man is expected to be confident, dominant, take control, assert himself, rather than be accommodating, compromising, flexible, and such. >but you shouldn't demonize others just because they aren't into it.Unfair preferences deserve criticism, whether they be the ones feminists rightly complain about, or the ones us incels complain about>I should have asked this before, but what traits do you have that make you unconfident?Is it chronic self-criticism, contingent self-worth (your sense of value rises and falls entirely based on outcomes like rejection), and avoidance? Or is it just like, you aren't confident in certain things? Or does it consume your life and influence your decisions?I don't relate to any of that stuff. I'm just... not confident. I have zero desire to be confident, make zero desire to be confident, I acknowledge that I am a disgusting undesirable wretch, and I don't want to change who I am, or want to become confident. >>84868779Homophobic slurs aren't nice. There's nothing wrong with being gay, there's no need to use terms that are disrespectful to people who are gay.
>>84868836>Women can always lower their standards and stop demanding confidence regardlessOr you can accept that is just how it goes and try to find someone suitable to you, without asking them to change either. >The man is expected to be confident, dominant, take control, assert himself, rather than be accommodating, compromising, flexible, and such.There exists a balance between those things that is preferential. It's not an either or situation. Confidence does not mean domineering (that's ego-compensation). >Unfair preferences deserve criticism, whether they be the ones feminists rightly complain about, or the ones us incels complain aboutPreference are preferences. It just is what it is. You cannot expect to change people. You just have to find people who you fit with. >I should have asked this before, but what traits do you have that make you unconfident?>I don't relate to any of that stuff. I'm just... not confident. I have zero desire to be confident, make zero desire to be confident"Not confident" is a broad description of behavior that requires specific traits to be. What about your behavior makes you "not confident"?
>>84868435No woman's gonna date you if you act like a whiny, lazy asshole though. Women don't wanna date the guy who says "erm ur supposed to ride my dick bc as a chud im entitled to ur pussy and if u dont ur worse than hitler !!!"Take it from me, women like to be treated like humans.
You guys are overthinking this.Women simply want beautiful men, nothing more nothing less.It's just that saying it outright sounds superficial so they list symptoms of beauty instead, like confidence.
>>84868950This is just redpill fearmongering.
>>84868950Confidence AND beauty. No one cares about handsome autismos or confident quasimodos.
>>84868950If any of you fuckers went outside you would realize how dumb you all sound acting like a positive canthal tilt and jaw surgery are the deciding factors in whether or not a woman will like you.
>>84868988>Appearance is not deciding factor
>>84868988Your ignorance does not shield you from reality, merely bars you from it. I know you can't really improve though as if you had the capability to think at a sufficient level you would never have made that retarded comment.
>>84868958What do you think I'm trying to make you afraid of? What is redpilled about my comment?A redpiller would tell you that you can get any woman you want by just changing the way you act; that's practically the opposite of what I'm saying.>>84868970Confidence is the result of validation, otherwise it's just delusion.There is no such thing as a confident Quasimodo.>>84868988I see examples of women choosing looks over performance everywhere around me on a daily basis.You would have to stay inside to avoid seeing it.But I'm sure your personal experiences prove me wrong and I will never understand why women have such a sexual appetite for unattractive men with great personalities.
>>84869017Reddit is that way buddy
>>84869044Some women are shallow enough to only go for looks but with that comes a nothingburger of a personality, and even then they don't stay with dudes like that unless they're equally trashy enough for each other. So many of you guys have the worst mentalities and you delude yourselves into thinking it's anything but that. On top of that, having sex isn't the most important thing in the world but ya'll act like to win at life you have to have gotten laid and only that, it's bullshit.
>>84868683>I have plenty of moral fiber.Oh, let me guess: you sign loads of petitions asking for the world to stop being so heckin evil? Take my gold kind hero!
>>84868443>>84868435Foids problems with confidence are so funny (but hurtful to everyone so it stops been funny).Week ago I witnessed a scene, went to ethnic food joint after weekend park stroll. Foid around 30 with like 7 years old boy.looks like they had park walk too and entertainment there and now it's much time for them. Foid was interrogating poor boy what does he want to order, boy was absolutely confused by menu items on the wall he never saw before, he found only familiar thing he knows, pizza and ordered it. Foid was quite pissed "we didn't come to exotic place for to order just pizza, Chud! order something real! Reee!".Stupid stupid stupid foid! In uncommon place even many adult people feel lost this is why McDonald'sis so popular, and your want 7 years old boy to carry you here? All life that foid lived leaning on men's shoulders and expecting them carry her and take responsibility. But looks like you divorced your man, and now you have no male shoulder to lean on. It's time to be confident, take responsibility and order yourself, and if your son gets the ick from this order, well your loss, it's adults burden.Instead she trues to turn her 7 years son into i her surrogate husband lololol.Boy was completely terrified, and stressed, mother teaches him lesson to never go anywhere but McDonald's, poor boy
>>84868435unconfidence is one of the things I really like in a manNow the other issue is everything else I don't like about men
>>84869166>On top of that, having sex isn't the most important thing in the world but ya'll act like to win at life you have to have gotten laid and only that, it's bullshit.Sex and sexual attraction are major components of relationships man, that's what the thread is about.I'm not here to discuss what it means to "win at life" or whatever. Tagging on a statement like that just gives the impression that you're trying to shift the goalpost.Clearly there is some reason why you're on this board and participating in this conversation.Obviously I don't know you but if you are in any way unsatisfied with your life, trying to prove to yourself that you're different from other people here in a similar position is not going to improve your situation.
>>84868470This anon is right, I am a great example >>84869259
>>84869335I really cannot fathom cases like these. I would've been over the moon if my past crush showed interest in me after how hard I tried to win her over.
>>84869401I blame the porn addiction and serious lack of exposure towards interacting with females.
>>84869331I've been in a happy relationship for over 1.5 years, I come here because 1. I have a doomscrolling addiction and 2. I try to see if I can offer help. Sex is important in a relationship, yes. But, a lot of people here treat sex like it's the only thing that matters and what's nuts is that the rhetoric is if you testify against that these people with zero life experience call you crazy. I don't want to improve MY situation, I want to try and make some kind of impact on the toxic feedback loop here.Following that, if you have questions you can feel free to ask.
>>84869686>I've been in a happy relationship for over 1.5 years,That's nothing, and you are here trying to grandstand about how relationships work
>>84869686Okay man, enjoy your life.
>>84868435Unconfident men are more likely to chest because they're going to seek validation elsewhere and take your love for granted.
>>84869989>Unconfident men are more likely to chest because they're going to seek validation elsewhere and take your love for granted.Were you cheated on?
>Women don't need to be confident to be lovedLol what men complain all the time about how they dated low self-esteem women who would never accept any praise or compliments and they left because they got tired of feeling like having to prove their love and you're evil for wanting to put innocent women through that.
>>84869686It's funny that you came here to make the point that sex isn't everything, but when I ask if you are unsatisfied with your life _in any way_, your immediate response is that you're in a relationship. Apparently being in a relationship for over a year means you're good. I hope for your sake that you're being genuine, because if this is some kind of cope you've got some rough times ahead.
>Wah! I'm so pathetic and hate myself everyone give me attention!People like you should be put in cobalt mines instead of African children.
>>84869997No but I've met many women and men alike who gave low self esteem people a chance and ended up abused because the entire relationship revolved around the one partner's ego.
>>84868435can't date unconfident men because I'm unconfident myself and we would never kiss that way
>>84870023You could make a first move. Whats stopping you?
men who think women deserve to be cheated on for being over 120 pounds want you to give the bottom of the barrel men a chance or else you're morally evil
>>84870004Yeah, sex isn't everything, being in a relationship isn't either. I'm trying to give you my perspective, I'm not holier than thou just more informed about the things you're pretending to understand and subsequently give up on.
>>84869922Sure, 1.5 isn't a 9 year long marriage but I have been around enough women to confidently say that 90% of the rhetoric on this board is bullshit. The only merit is that being attractive does make dating easier but if you're a cunt they won't want to be with you let alone approach you if you lack compassion. You can go on about stacies and shit but in reality women just want to be treated as equals. Deep pockets and an 8 incher don't make you likeable.
>>84868435> Foids should date unconfident incelsWhat do you expect them to do? Break into your goon cave just to ask you out?
>>84868435I'm fine with an incel but unconfident men are trash.They have to at least pretend to be confident, that's all I ask
>>84870370>but in reality women just want to be treated as equals.>women just want to be treated as equals. Deep pockets and an 8 incher don't make you likeable.You need more life experience, anon. Seriously. Stop trying to be an authority on things you have little experience about. I don't mean this in a disparaging way, but your post reeks of>I have a relationship now so I'll go to the lonely men board to show them how it's really like to these damn 'incels'You don't really know women. Your post is very naive.
i did give this type of guy a chance though, he was a self proclaimed incel and would be really insecure about his looks, lifestyle ect... he would even talk about how he felt like i was going to leave him for chad, he ended up leaving me heartbroken instead. this thread is such bs.
>>84870496So you have one had experience and never give any more of us a chance. That's stupid. >>84870396And that's an unfair and unreasonable ask. Confidence simply shouldn't matter. >>84870386Wtf is a goon cave. And it wouldn't kill women to ask me out rather than only going for chads. >>84870051>men who think women deserve to be cheated on for being over 120 poundsNever said anything like that. I'd gladly date and be loyal with an overweight woman. But they'd rather go for chads only
>>84870023There's no need for both people to be confident, and physical stuff like kissing shouldn't be necessary anyway, the emotional aspects of intimacy are way more important than the physical. You just don't like unconfident guys, which isn't nice of you>>84870010Actually neither us nor the African children should be forced into that situation. A better world is possible >>84870002Maybe some chads complain about that but plenty of us would have no problem dating unconfident women. So women's should settle for us too. Even if unconfidence kinda hurts women in dating, it doesn't hurt them nearly as much as it hurts men in dating. >>84869989No we aren't, I would never cheat, and I'd be extremely happy if a female actually accepted me without me having to perform the bullshit gender role of being confident and shit
>>84869328Well you should stop being so picky in other aspects. Men who are unattractive in general should be able to find love, just as women who are unattractive in general can do. But also... You REALLY LIKE unconfidence, rather than merely tolerating it? Is that some sort of power dynamics thing? I don't want to be fetishized, just accepted. >>84869171More than just petitions, I have been involved in various volunteering work. It's not much, I'm no hero or world savior. But if we all do a little more to try and make the world a better place, collectively things will improve somewhat. Better than not doing it. >>84869179Damn I wish my parents encouraged me to eat diverse ethnic foods when I was little, instead they just made the most bland sort of food imaginable. I do get your point though - there's plenty of better ways to gently encourage a literal child to go out of their comfort zone in easier ways, vs "here's a bunch of stuff you don't know, just pick dammit!". Like why not get the kid his pizza and then also order stuff "for yourself" and share so he can take a bite and try it while having the pizza to fall back on? Or, idk, some other way but surely there's a better way than what that woman did>>84868929I treat women like ACTUAL humans, though, rather than the "actually please still perform the parts of gender roles we actually like, and treat us as special just on the basis of gender, rather than true egalitarianism" stuff that most women actually want. And I'm not a whiny lazy asshole, I just think women demand way too much effort especially since they don't need to make nearly the level of effort that they demand from men. All I want is fairness, yet somehow most women consider fairness in romance to be intensely dehumanizing (despite so many women also loudly demanding equality in basically other aspect of life - and it's reasonable for them to demand that, I just want it consistently applied rather than a la carte opportunistically)
Yeah, sorry everyone but this specific guy is based and I'm citing that purely off the "so much moral fiber can't shit" comment. You're not negging this dumdum into oblivion, better luck next anon!
>>84871919His comment doesn't even make any sense though. The fuck does too much fiber even mean, 95% of Americans don't eat enough fiber, how the hell could someone plausibly eat so much fiber that they can't shit? That's like a movie monster freak right there
>>84870967>Like why not get the kid his pizza and then also order stuff "for yourself" and share so he can take a bite and try it while having the pizza to fall back on? Exactly my point. But it takes responsibility and responsibility is foids kryptonite
>>84873231I wouldn't even call that "responsibility", just really basic "being considerate", the sort of thing I've seen literal children themselves do towards others at times. Which, idk, just further highlights the stupidity there
>>84870967>More than just petitions, I have been involved in various volunteering work.If you aren't lying out of your ass, then fair enough. I guess you can back up your talk a little more than the average virtue signaler online.
>>84874263I'm not lying. I also acknowledge that I could always do more (and I hope to get involved in more in the future), but it would be some sort of self negating lying to act like I haven't done anything or just the absolute minimum thing that could be considered involvement It sucks that still there are no females who would ever give me a chance tho, and that even the left wing women would rather get with fascist abusechads who shit all over their bedsheets than settle for me though
