>>85162135
are you a incel on hormones with boobs?

>>85162135
Yeah but you can squeeze them and fondle them and shove your face into them if they are big enough. Also you can feel their weight and hug them and put your glasses into your cleavage. It's really not the same, you just don't know how to use your body parts properly.

>>85162166
Yes but I havent been on them for long enough where they would be big, yet
>>85162169
I just like staring at mine from a side view in the mirror so far, nothing really physically

>>85162185
how long are you on hrt? are you trans or just want to be more feminine?

>>85162208
Just a few months only which leaves lots of time for even more changes
Im doing this only because Im giving up being a man. Shortcel life is impossible mode and Im tired of living it

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>>85162241
incel traitors get the rope

>>85162241
How short are we talkin

>>85162254
Sorry but I dont feel like living as a manlet forever, Im tired of being alone and invisible
>>85162259
164cm which is I think 5'4

>>85162269
are you from australia by any chance?

>>85162185
they won't get big because most of the stuff required for full breast development isn't produced in the male body, even with HRT
you'll just end up with partially developed breasts that are weirdly tube-shaped

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>tfw no manlet incel with hrtitties to gradually feminize and turn in to my submissive neet wife

>>85162277
No Im an Euro
>>85162283
Okay well Im not knowledgeable enough in this to refute you but I feel like you are wrong and I dont want to think about unlikely negatives and so far they look normal
>>85162284
Lol

>>85162302
are you at least a somewhat cute troon?

>>85162241
do you like men or women? will you get a bf?

>>85162269
>164cm which is I think 5'4
ygmi

>>85162135
If you're serious about doing this, you'd better start socializing and learn your new role, anon.
I'm totally serious. Even if you're total turbopassoid that's still not going to significantly improve your life if your social skills and demeanor continue to read autistic or undersocialized male.
>>85162375
hrt increases androphilia in time anyway :)

>>85162135
Of course, it's just a bodypart we have our whole lives. Do you constantly feel your penis? Like some big weight or something?

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>>85162351
Well I dont really have a masculine face at all if thats what youre asking but its nothing special
>>85162450
Im already autistic and shut off easily in social contexts, I dont think it has a cure
>>85162458
I dont feel it at all, but thats probably because mine isnt big at all
>>85162375
I think Im bisexuell

>>85162485
You sound cute and cuddleable desu

>>85162485
>I dont think it has a cure
oh, it does.
you just need the discipline for it.
feel free to disbelieve me but don't be surprised you'll be in the same place 5 years from now no matter how well you'll pass. at best you'll be some sort of sexworker-adjacent unless you're that shut-off even for that.
to actually reap the benefits of trannymaxxing you have to make some personality and behavior changes too, not just physical.

>>85162513
Like what type of discipline though
I dont say I dont believe you, I just dont know what
I kinda started all this on a whim and now Im in too deep to stop
>>85162510
On this topic, I usually sleep with a heavy weighted blanked on top of me, a few plushes around me, and I hug a spare blanket to feel like hugging a person

I assume it's the same with guy's and their dicks? I mean, day-to-day, not when you get hard.

>>85162531
First: reduce your time spent online (except for work) to no more than 3hrs/day, and then slowly to 2hrs/day
Use the extra time gained to be outside among people. You first gotta defeat your fear of other people. After that just observe how women walk, talk, react and interact and slowly start imitating.
Get into a private acting course/class. Any big city in the first world has an option like this. Most theatre classes are run by queer-adjacent people so you won't come off weird if you straight-up tell 'em you're an early trans and want to learn to act more femininely.
Just do it. Not much to lose and A LOT to gain from it.
>I kinda started all this on a whim and now Im in too deep to stop
IKTF. Didn't quite start on a whim but the idea did come more or less in the vein of "fuck it, why tf not?"

>>85162553
The acting class doesnt sound too hard, I was already a theatre kid before and it left my manners of speech and movement a lot more fluidy and "animey" and expressive, albeit I am a neet so I dont know where to go outside

>>85162608
>I am a neet so I dont know where to go outside
Start with looking for a job. Even a crap one. It would not only give you some money but it would also put you in the position to socialize and would enforce some discipline and routine.
Other than that, it's summer: check out events where people gather. Don't be afraid to show up at queer-coded ones too.
Being a terminally shut in tranny is no progress, anon. Take the opportunity to actually experiment and build something new.

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>>85162637
Okay, I see then. What did you do yourself originally

>>85162735
I did exactly what I'm advising you to do.
I got into theater classes, forced myself to socialize, dated men and kept on trying to get a better job.
Fake it till you make it actually works.
It took almost 2 years until I got my first real friend (cis female) and until I lost my virginity (with a man). Got into debt for facial surgery and that was a wild game changer in everything.
Yes, early progress is veeeery slow. But it's zero if you don't even try. Transition alone won't solve too many problems for you. You gotta use it as a building block to make something out of it.

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>>85162185
>Yes but I havent been on them for long enough where they would be big, yet
Could you post someone who is in the same breast development stage as a reference?
Also while growing, do they hurt, or feel weird?

OP should post her feet

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>>85162772
How long have you been doing all this actually because you seem experienced
>>85162931
https://litter.catbox.moe/i9h825.jpg
https://litter.catbox.moe/7mi2if.jpg
See for yourself, I think they look okay so far

>>85163003
>How long have you been doing all this
I started in the autumn of 2017. I got married two months ago. So it will soon be 9 years since i started.
Had facial surgery in 2021. Had no other surgeries except that. Just hrt. The rest was work on my mind.

>>85163003
urs look cute

>>85163050
Wow thats a long time
>>85163260
>>85163409
I think they look okay ig

>>85163501
>Wow thats a long time
Well, yeah. But the results are also amazing.
I just hope you succeed, anon.
Being socially female for real is actually an improvement. But getting there is a bit more complicated than just growing boobs and getting nicer skin and hair via hrt.

>>85163604
"Robot to married troon" is a funny way to discribe yourself. I have a few questions if you don't mind:
How tall are you?
Why did you turn into a girl?
When did you decided to?
How old are you?
Are you married to a guy?
How did your family reacted to your choices?
Did your penis got smaller?

>>85163747
It's also the most honest description.
I'm 166cm tall.
>Why did you turn into a girl?
Did everything from the meme advice list (gym coping, increase socialization, IRL hobbies) and was still a virgin. Even as a bifag. Sure, I could've whored out ig but I never wanted that. I wanted to be romantically desired too and for more than one night. High bar, I know.
So I had very low on the list "just troon" mostly as a joke. When all the list was done, "just troon" was the only thing left. So I just tried that thinking that maybe if i'm some femfag/femboy at least I get to be more desired. And it turned out that was right about one year in.
Lost my virginity to both a man and a woman, had another fling with a woman and realized that ultimately I still like men more. Likely hrt had something to do with that.
>When did you decided to?
>How old are you?
I am almost 32 now. I decided in the summer of 2017 and started just before my 23rd birthday.
>Are you married to a guy?
Yes.
>Did your penis got smaller?
Yes. And useless too, lol.

>>85163747
>How did your family reacted to your choices?
A mixed bag.
I actually never considered their opinion at all. I may have been romantically invisible but I was a functioning adult right off the bat. Left home at 17 (to finish high school in a bigger city) and never returned back home to live ever since.
My parents outed me before I committed full time. Dad noticed the boobs and asked point blank if i'm trooning. I said yes, he laughed, and then he turned serious and said "if that works out for you, it would be the most epic but also least expected outcome that I had in mind for you". It was weird. But then my mom turned to crying and said "i hope you know what you're doing". That was in 2019. Things got way better ever since. They even offered to help us (me and husband) settle in our new home.
The wider family was more extreme. They either went full hugboxxy or full hatred. But that's okay since I don't need any of them anyway. I don't intervene in their lives so why exactly should I care what they believe about my life?
Also, most of their kids are incels and on psych pills so they're not exactly the big rolemodels to scold my life choices, kek.

Well what did you expect? They'd go around groping themselves in excitement? When you live in your body your entire existence, the novelty wears off. Also you seeing your breasts as a sexual thing is so male coded.

>>85162283
You made that up though, retard.

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>>85163604
I didnt really start these meds with any goal in mind or any hope for anything, I was just tired of being an incel and thought why not look better slightly at least
I dont really have anything else to do either with my life right now
I guess I could try what you suggested earlier
>>85163815
I havent talked to my wider family members in years already and Im only on occasional texts with my parents while living somewhere else hence Im able to do this freely
>>85163843
>Also you seeing your breasts as a sexual thing is so male coded.
I just meant it in a way of feeling the physical presence at all time, like you would feel wearing a hat or something I dont know to explain

>>85163861
>I guess I could try what you suggested earlier
You should. Even if you don't care about fully trooning, being an hrt femboy is still fun. And you absolutely should do your best to live and enjoy your life rather than rotting it away.
>Im able to do this freely
Btw, if you're 6+ months in, you should be cycling progesterone if you're not doing that already.

>>85164072
Im going to enter my 4th month pretty soon

>>85164089
Oh, so you're still very early.
Look up to have prog around. If your boobs are that noticeable already then you're safe to start prog in november or so.
Protips:
Don't be afraid if (or when) your libido collapses. It does come back with a vengeance before the one year mark. It's just the body re-adjusting.
DO go for regular runs or walks. Stay in relative shape. It's easier to gain fat on estrogen and harder to lose weight. Don't fall into that trap.
DO go for regular hip and butt exercises. Romanian deadlifts are great for your lower body.
Don't do upper body exercises. At all.
If you're diy (and i assume you are) do some blood tests before you start prog (or somewhere before christmas). Make sure your E levels don't go too much over 300 at trough.
Do get a serious but easy skincare routine. Skin gets way better on estrogen, but it's also dryer. Moisturizing is way more important now for you.
I assume you know this but, just in case, do get laser on your face. The earlier the better.

>>85164184
>Look up to have prog around. If your boobs are that noticeable already then you're safe to start prog in november or so.
Is my size good already? Whats prog
And an okay to everything else, I have nothing else to ask to this

>>85164435
>Is my size good already?
Considering you're only 4 months in, yes. Of course, you're not done with growing.
>prog
Progesterone.
>>85164438
Not much different than how I was trying before trooning. But looking like a femboy increased the odds by a lot. Went from nobody noticing me to actually having to reject people.
>where
One I knew from a former workplace and the other from a new more queer-ish social circle I had joined.

>>85163003
Wow I love those so much, I saved them to my phone

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>>85164483
i am tall with decent looks but i never dated because of my autism and introversion, thinking about starting hrt and truly feminizing myself to see if it will make me more attractive (and also because i am kinda dysphoric). i also started dressing more androgynously and let my hair grow out and started losing weight already as kinda first steps towards my desired looks

>>85164618
How tall?
Also, autism and introversion are the number 1 and 2 biggest enemies to making it as a tranny. Even more so than dysphoria.
I'm not saying you shouldn't try, but i am saying that it is absolutely imperative that you address those vigorously and not just wait to see if cuter looks carries you forward.
>started dressing more androgynously and let my hair grow out and started losing weight already as kinda first steps towards my desired looks
Good luck on the weight loss journey.

>>85164618
To speak candidly, start playing basketball

>>85164701
>How tall?
6ft
i dont wanna be actual trans woman just a enby hrt femboy thing
also thanks
>>85164726
i am not 7ft just above average lol and i hate sports

>>85164777
>6ft
You'll be fine both as an actual tranny and as an hrt femboy.
Height is not your enemy. The 'tism and the introversion is. Fix those.
And find a friend to help you with styling clothing. Looking nice as a femboy without looking like a porn character is an art.

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>>85164483
I wonder how big Ill end up
>>85164618
I personally dont think tallfags should troon, you can literally just be a normie tallchad and youre done with your problems

>>85164808
>I wonder how big Ill end up
nta but the best indicator is to look at the women in your family. Usually it's one cup lower than that.

>>85164835
Well uhhhh it ranges from As to Ds
All over the place
???

>>85164791
i wouldnt dress like amazon femboy lmao, i found some cute androgynous fits on pinterest
>>85164808
i am friendless autistic introverted virgin, its not in my nature to be that. also being a normie chad has much more to do with whether you are neurotypical than height

>>85165163
>Amazon femboy
Embrace your inner Bezo, we all know you want to

>>85164906
well then look at your mom. She's the most likely scenario.

>>85163789
>>85163815
Thank you for speaking so openly about it. You replied to all of my questions. I just have a few more things to say, if you don't mind.
I'm 6ft tall / 1,82m. How can height not be my enemy in that scenario, I'll basically look like a giant in high heels, no?
Also, I'm 29, is it already to late to troon out?
I want to maybe do it, but I'll have to start over in a new city, my family will never accept that change on me, my friends won't be cool with it either (the few ones I have).
You mentioned that your penis got smaller and stopped working? Did I got that correctly? I assume you can get an erection, but it doesn't produce sperm anymore, right?

And let me tell you this I think your height 1,66m and OP's height 1,64m are the perfect femboy/troon stature, you guys already pass as girls almost naturally I would say. When you meet people, do they realize that you're a troon or they actually don't even question the fact that you're a girl?

>>85164808
I believe you are already extraordinary cute, since you have a very nice height for it. I'm 1.82m and yes I feel weird about the thought of trooning out. But I also want to do it so badly and I quite frequently think about it.

>>85165890
>I'll basically look like a giant in high heels, no?
You don't wear high heels at that height. And it also depends where you are. 1.82 as a woman in several countries of Europe is not clocky at all. In others (esp in the south) it's insta clocky.
>Also, I'm 29, is it already to late to troon out?
No.
>I'll have to start over in a new city
Not necessarily.
>my friends won't be cool with it either
Neither were mine. The guys I used to hang out with (also incels) shunned me and called me crazy. I reconnected with them last year. All of them are still single, only one is no longer virgin anymore. Now they agree that maybe I'm not that crazy after all.
>You mentioned that your penis got smaller and stopped working
Yes.
>assume you can get an erection
Very difficult and rare. Not that I want to. In fact I will get an axewound very likely.
>it doesn't produce sperm anymore
Yes.
>you guys already pass as girls almost naturally
LOL no. I didn't pass at all until facial surgery. Height helps but it's not the only thing. Getting an hourglass figure, voice and face matter way more. And genetic luck.
>do they realize that you're a troon
Not anymore. Not the vast vast majority of people.

>>85165890
>>85165910
nta but wrt age you really need to know that there are troons who started at like 12 and still don't pass at all at 25 and troons who started at 32 and pass by 35.
age really doesn't matter that much. your genetics matter the most.

>>85165910
how long did you think about trooning out? does your body and face look at least somewhat feminine?

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>>85166130
>look at least somewhat feminine?
Yes, my face is very feminine. To the point of people not actually believing me when I tell them that I am 29, they think I'm 20, a woman once thought that I was 17. If I let my hair grow to shoulder lenght it gets even more feminine. The problem is that my body shape is very clearly of a man, specially my belly and legs. My butt is ok.
I'm gonna get banned for this but ideally I wish I could look like the girl in the gif.
>how long did you think about it
Recently, about a year or so.

>>85166091
Ok, that's reassuring, thank you.

>>85166455
>Recently, about a year or so.
maybe it will go away, its not worth ruining your life for it

yeah, you kind of figure that out by age 12 or 13

>>85165950
Once again, thank you so much for replying.
>You don't wear high heels at that height
Nooo, I was looking forward to wearing them :( I love high heels.

>>85166091
>>85166455
I will add this: If you're built like a rugby player (or american football ig) then you won't even remotely get close to passing regardless of whether you're 158cm or 200cm tall.
Online trannies say a lot of dumb and false shit. But they are correct about a small set of things, one of them being this: The best time to troon is today. The absolute best time was a year ago.
Too bad trannies go way overboard with this. Age does matter, it's just that it's not an absolute.
>body shape is very clearly of a man, specially my belly and legs
Fat redistribution is real. It takes about 2 years to be visible and it takes about 5 until it reaches its maximum potential, but if you weight cycle, you'll be fine.
As for legs, be thinner and allow estrogen to smoothen things out. Won't be perfect but it will be way better than you imagine.
>I was looking forward to wearing them :( I love high heels
Depends how high. And how exactly you end up looking and how lucky you are with clothes styling. 5+ cm high heels don't sit well even on most cis women.
>>85166481
>maybe it will go away
nta but that's how turboboomer trannies are created.
The whole "ruin your life" thing is mostly other choices rather than trooning. Like doing a viral "coming out" (never do that!) or buying into the BS that everyone must be forced to see you as a woman and start going it's ma'am on everyone.

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Something I dont like about 4chan threads is when you make one about yourself, someone completely random with entirely different circumstances comes in and makes it about themselves and takes away the discourse and attention
Let me talk about being a manlet incel on hrt at 19 years old without having to have a lanklet low tier normie failure in his 30s make it about himself

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>>85166564
How is married life treating you so far former robot? I'm curious on how are the gendered norms in this relationship? Does your husband do all that trad masculine larp? Do you recieve him in an apron saying 'welcome home'?
Also how are gender relationships at your job? Do you interact more with your male or female coworkers? Do the female ones ever suspect that you were an incel robot?
Also thanks for the awesome thread

>>85166812
>former robot
I'll always be a robot. Nobody really "graduates" from here for good.
>Does your husband do all that trad masculine larp?
No, not really. Except in the bedroom.
>Do you recieve him in an apron saying 'welcome home'?
If I actually get home first, yeah. Especially since I love cooking.
More broadly, we're a pretty boring couple. We both work to save up in order to shrink as much as possible the loan we're getting for our own house.
We got married only 2 months ago but we've been living together for 3 years now. Ig we're "trad" by our country's standards because traditionally the woman manages the household's finances. And I am way better with fiscal discipline.
>job
I interact mostly with women. It's a female dominated office.
I don't think anyone suspects me of being a trannymaxxer. Most normies don't know what a robot is or what transmaxxing is.
I also got really good at socializing with women and as close as possible to how women socialize. Trouble is that in doing so I also found out a lot of things about how women talk to each other when no men are around that make the black pill sound too moderate.
That's why I'll always be a robot in some way. I found out the black pill IRL in a way most robots will never. Like at a previous job I applied 3 months before I changed my paperwork and didn't even get a standardized rejection e-mail. I applied again as legally female and got the job.

>>85166946
How truly bad is the blackpill then
Also if Im already on hrt I think I will want to change my legal gender and name

>>85166946
Given that the thread started is about boobs, how good is having them being sucked on anon? Do you like? Does your husband do it often?
Also should OP >>85162135 be waiting to have this experience?

>>85166966
Some aspects are outright false. For instance the cope about minimum 6' is just not true. Women want men to be taller than them. If you're 2'' taller than them it's more than enough.
Others however are worse than people think. Discrimination against men in hiring is way WAY worse than anyone imagines. The "jewish daycare" meme is a lot truer than even those who spread it believe. At least here in Europe.
Immediately after my facial surgery healed, I stepped into an alternate reality. Like in the movies. The exact same people who didn't even notice I exist now want(ed) to be friends with me and were smiley and very nice with me for no reason. Took me a few months just to adjust to that.
When women say "just get some friends" and "date in your social circle" they're not lying. They're being very sincere with the advice. But they literally have no idea that if you're socially male it's 100x harder to even get to have a social circle than it is if you're socially female.
I'm far from hot/attractive. I'm a very mid basic. But because I'm read female nearly always, that's enough to be invited to all sorts of things.
And when I was single most men and women wouldn't take "no" for an answer either. "wdym you're gonna stay at home, nona? it's saturday night. you gotta come with us"
Are there challenges to living as socially a woman? Oh yeah. But none of them are as difficult as those I endured until ~2018 when I started looking a bit femboy-ish.
>already on hrt I think I will want to change my legal gender and name
Depending on the country you are, it may be a good idea to do it earlier or later.
In my country, later is better. If you pass well enough and are turbofeminine in court without being pornbrained/agp or some other negative stereotype, the judge will grant you a seal of records. Making my doxxing basically impossible.
In other countries (Spain, Norway) it's all done with a simple statement and it's worth doing it earlier.

>>85167071
>If you pass well enough and are turbofeminine
I dont feel like linking my face to my catbox of my hrtits in the same thread but my face already even now is already androgynous on the feminine side which is probably another reason why I opted for this
>When women say "just get some friends" and "date in your social circle" they're not lying. They're being very sincere with the advice. But they literally have no idea that if you're socially male it's 100x harder to even get to have a social circle than it is if you're socially female.
Well I would know that, I have no social circle currently

>>85167023
>how good is having them being sucked on anon?
It is hot actually. They've also gotten way more sensitive as time went on. The guy I lost my virginity with sucked them and it was nice, but several years later it became way hotter.
Estrogen does wake up new erogenous areas.
>Does your husband do it often?
Yes. He certainly likes and cares about my boobs way more than I do. In that respect >>85162135 is correct. To me they're kinda there.
>should OP be waiting to have this experience
Very likely. Although it depends on how OP rebuilds their sexuality.
Lots of trannies cope with claiming to be "asexual" and then don't even think about their sexuality afterwards, sometimes for years. This is a mistake.
The horny comes back after a few months and that's the moment to cycle prog (which makes you horny too, among other things) and start exploring both alone and with other people.
But, yes, generally, nipples becoming far more sensitive and more erogenous is a standard effect of feminizing hrt.

>>85167112
>face
Please DO NOT show your face on 4chan ever.
If there's one thing you leave with from this thread, please be this: DO NOT yield to the temptation to camwhore or post yourself in lewd situations online ANYWHERE.
I was advised this by a way older tranny I met and the seriousness with which she told me that stuck with me. I'm very grateful to her and glad I listened to her.
You will know whether you need facial surgery or not within a year and a half from now or so. HRT does little to change the face, but the fat redistribution does have some fine effects.
>Well I would know that, I have no social circle currently
Your job is to learn how to socialize though. Yes, some quirky behaviors are more excusable if you're feminine enough, but the latitude is not quite infinite.
Yes, my social circle vastly expanded after facial surgery, but I still built from zero to quite a bit before that. And you should too. It's for your own benefit regardless of how well your trooning ends up working.
Everyone is better off from having a social circle.
Protip: DO NOT mention transmaxxing or incel stuff in queer/tranny spaces (except 4chan). They literally assume you and I don't exist. It's meaningless drama to try to convince them otherwise. So don't.

>>85165950
>In fact I will get an axewound very likely
why?

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>>85167071
i am a regular straight dude but ngl this makes me wanna transition so bad. the fact that i would probably pass doesnt help stave off these thoughts

>>85167169
Okay so you said I should look for a job and a place to meet the queers

>>85167200
Job for discipline and queers to start practicing socialization.
You will probably dislike most of them (or, who knows, maybe you're lucky) but that's okay. Practicing talking to other people is fundamental for your future.
Also, you will want a cis female friend to help you style your clothing and maybe teach you makeup. Women learn this shit by age 14 at the latest. You need to catch up. The fact that you're chill about all of it works to your advantage. Turbo dysphoric trannies get stuck.
>>85167176
If you're not even a little bit androphilic, that can be a problem. Cis women who are into femboys/trannies are very rare but, granted, very hot to date and very fun as people.
Make a sincere list on what's achievable and what are the (social, financial and emotional) costs. That's what I did. Took me a few months of being very cynical with analyzing before actually starting. And had a table of objectives too and off-ramps in case things go wrong.
I even had an emergency fund for gyno reduction surgery in case I wanted to pull the plug entirely.
Not saying you should or shouldn't troon. I am saying though that it's neither universally good (as most troons say) nor universally bad (as it's often claimed here). It's... a lifestyle choice. Which comes with several hundreds of smaller lifestyle choices.

>>85167174
Long term use of AAs comes with compounding risks. Long term anal sex also comes with compounding risks.
Meanwhile, SRS comes with short term risks but long term with way fewer risks.
Also, most things people think they know about SRS is either flat out false or outdated. Notice that all of the anti-srs messaging is either based on shame or stories that are 10+ years old.
Not even the most committed anti-tranny could find comparable horror stories from this decade that resemble (the very real) ones from 2012 or so. The techniques vastly improved (thanks to supply and demand).

>>85167128
>Very likely. Although it depends on how OP rebuilds their sexuality.
Is the process of having your sexuality rebuilt weird? Like have the way you relate to or percieve man and woman changed after months of HRT? Did you prepare for any of it, or was it a surprise?
Also, would the present you be attracted to the incel past you?

>>85167472
>Is the process of having your sexuality rebuilt weird?
I don't know. It depends on the individual. I didn't actually find it weird. I did become more curious in things though. For instance I never masturbated anally before. But almost a year in I craved it.
>the way you relate to or percieve man and woman changed after months of HRT
Yes, but not after months. More like a year or even a bit more. It was a gradual slow process (like all changes on hrt).
>surprise
I had only a vague idea. Some obscure places insisted that I'd become a lot more into men (and that did turn out to be true) but I wasn't scared of that because I was already into men a bit.
The surprising part was how orgasms felt. It changes gradually but it changes a lot over time.
Also, while "boysmell" isn't real per se, hrt does change a bit how smelling works. And yeah, people do smell a bit different now.
I knew beforehand that I'd be going through some mood swings. So that wasn't a surprise. The surprise was how that manifested sexually. I had no way of knowing that because, well, i trooned as a virgin. There certainly is a difference in how I perceive sex now emotionally compared to when I lost my virginity or even compared to the first times with my now husband.
I suspect (though there's no way to know for sure) that even the way I fell in love is quite different.
>would the present you be attracted to the incel past you?
Honestly? No. Not least because past me was insecure af and immature. I'm not even sure 22 year old me would've dated a tranny, to be perfectly honest.
Do keep in mind that it's been 9 years. I didn't just change my body but I also grew as a person.

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>>85167682
>even the way I fell in love is quite different.
that's intresting.
You said that you live in Europe, right? Do you think there any differences in relation to your social transition or in ways that gender dynamics works there in comparison to America? I've always considered you guys to be way more progressive than us, but I wonder if it's just an stereotype.

>>85162135
they're there and mildly inconvenient really
i've experience life with and without them and it doesn't change a ton outside of working out and how i'm allowed to lay in bed

>>85167759
>Do you think there any differences in relation to your social transition or in ways that gender dynamics works there in comparison to America?
Certainly!
The US is more gender rigid than most countries of Europe. And the UK is more insane than both the US and Europe.
Your pro-tranny states/cities are way more pro-tranny than everywhere in Europe. And your anti-tranny states are a bit more petty than the anti-tranny places in Europe.
Be that as it may, the society seems to be slightly worse in the US (I haven't been to the US since 2018 when I was barely a few months on hrt). I never got as much hostility for looking like a fag anywhere in Europe as I got in Portland. And that was before being anti-tranny was politically fashionable.
>considered you guys to be way more progressive than us
Er... yes and no. Socially people are just less tensed. But that also depends where. In places with a lot of immigrants it's just as bad or worse than in the US.
As policy, Europe is less progressive on most things. Getting on HRT legally is very hard outside of Spain and France. There is no "informed consent" the way you guys have via planned parenthood.
That's why serious trannies go on DiY first and then go through the bureaucracy. It can take up to 3 years until you get approved in some countries. Heck, I was denied in fact :))
I went back through the legal process when I had been on DiY for 3 years and had facial surgery scheduled and basically said: "you either give me the paperwork that I need or you'll give it to me next year via court order and you also end up paying me reparations"
I'm in east europe which is considered 'conservative' but in practice the only hard part was getting the paperwork. Other than that, few people cared and institutionally, once you get your ID to say F, zero people care. Now that I'm legally a married woman, I am stealth in the eyes of the law unless I commit terrorism or some shit.

>>85167950
Spain and France being the most trans friendly legislation in Europe. How come such very Catholic countries, became like that?

>>85162135
Have any acquaintance or friend commented on the growth of your chest area?

>>85168273
France isn't that catholic in reality though. And it's also been historically the most sex positive nation in Europe (and still is to a very large extent).
I mean... their presidential family has a 25 years age gap and past presidents had the official mistress (totally not joking). Being open minded about sex and sexuality has been part of the french ethos for 200+ years by now.
As for Spain, I suspect it's the influence from their former colonies and also the fact that elections are always tight so governing always requires odd coalitions. Like the current governing coalition is very pro-tranny but also separatist friendly (even though the separatists are ISIS levels of homophobes). It's a mess. Well, like in Latin country.

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>>85168421
Any more stories about doing foidwork in your company? Is it really easy? Also have you ever been harassed by a male colleague or boss? Do you use pencil skirts?

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>>85168734
>Is it really easy?
Not that easy anymore because I've been promoted. I'm a girlboss now, lol.
The work itself is neither easy nor hard. Getting the job is however way easier if you're female.
If I fuck it up some people might die. The team I oversee does logistics fulfillment for mostly medical supplies.
Too bad I'm not a stereotypical tranny and I'm not great with computers (though I mog every single cis female at work) because I have a few ideas on how to improve the processes but I lack the skills to implement them. So for now I stick to foidwork. It pays well and allows me to not be poor and actually buy a house with my husband.
>harassed by a male colleague or boss
If you mean sexually harassed, no. That just doesn't happen here.
But also the standard is more reasonable. A "misogynistic" joke doesn't count as harassment. Btw, the most harsh misogynistic jokes are made by women, heh.
>pencil skirts
No. But I do have two dresses that I like that kinda do look almost like a pencil skirt from the waist down.
Generally I prefer professional outfits like picrel. Boring, conformist but also fem. Outside of work I dress pretty casual since I now look like a mid foid even in basic pants and a shirt.
I might look closer to pencil skirts after I get an axewound tho and won't be concerned with squeezing my balls, lol.

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>>85168833
>I'm a girlboss now, lol.
Happy for you anon.
>the most harsh misogynistic jokes are made by women, heh.
could you share with your former incels colleagues more details of the secret lives of foid workers? That seems fun!
Anyway, I guess anime lied to me about sexy Office Ladies, oh well.

>>85169095
>the secret lives of foid workers
There isn't much secret, really. The way they gossip is more disgusting than people think but not by much.
Also women hate each other a lot more than the average robot hates women. The "sisterhood" is literally not real. What matters is "the clique".
>That seems fun!
Errr, the novelty wears off pretty fast.
Luckily, since I'm not ugly but also not turbo beautiful, I can easily and cutely excuse myself from the clique pretty fast. It also helps that i'm their boss now (my boss is male) so I can credibly claim I have important stuff to do. Like shitposting on 4chan lol.
>anime lied to me about
everything.
None of that is real, anon. And it is in fact a turnoff for normie foids that you're into that shit.

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>>85165950
Do you watch porn ? If so what kind? How do you masturbate if you can't get erect anymore? Is it frustrating?

>>85169228
>kind of porn
I prefer gay and tranny porn these days. And fpov. Tho I rarely have time for it.
>How do you masturbate if you can't get erect anymore? Is it frustrating?
Vibrators and dildos. It's not frustrating anymore. I don't even try to provoke an erection anyway.
I'm turbo uke even when I fap, lol.

>>85167682
OP here
Should I be dating men instead

>>85170036
Do you wear high heels to parties or fancy dinner outs with your husband? I think you look gorgeous on them.

>>85171059
>should
Wrong q imo. Just be open to the idea at least.
Realistically, bitops are the most likely people to sincerely want to be in a relationship with a troon. It's still beyond my understanding why troons avoid them so much. It's like so many want to fail at life.
>>85171104
We dont actually go to fancy dinners. For instance now we're heading to a music fest. We met at one so that's our tradition for fun.
Also, im not a big fan of very high heels. Sure, they look nice but im not agp enough to care.

>>85171172
Is your boyfriend taller than you and masculine

>>85171172
>>85171215
Wait fuck I just woke up I forgot you said youre married now

4yrs ago i wouldve said this whole thread is larp
now that i lived some of the things described itt, im both scared and excited that at least some of it is very likely not larp
t. estrogenized femboy, aspiring troon

>>85171215
anon, at my height i would've had to be extra purposeful to find a man shorter than me. Yes he is taller.
As for masc, ig it depends what you mean by that. He looks like a regular guy in his 30s that takes care of himself. If you mean personality or demeanor, then yes, he's very masc. Idk what to say. He's a normal bifag who fell in love with me. I still cant fully believe it. Years of loneliness made me too cynical about love until meeting him

I wish my transition hadn't utterly failed.

>>85171227
do you have a boyfriend nona?

>>85171227
I'm going to do it, just that someone in this world will finally love me. I'm too retarded to be self sufficient. I'm gonna girl myself.
>>85162284
hii

>>85171327
define failure
im actually fine even if i do ultimately fail at being a passing troon. at least i look better and am no longer a virgin. if i dont pass after ffs, then so be it, glad i tried and ill just be a femfag and wont be bald
t. >>85171227

Well no shit, OP. Maybe you should 41% yourself though. Ywnbaw.

>>85171368
>nona
I wish, lol.
I do have a bf. we've only been dating for 3 months but it's going well and am mildly hopeful

i wish i didnt wait so late to troon im a year in and now its really hard to leave the house and all i do is workout and try to socialize online.

>>85163851
He's right you dumbfuck. HRT induced breasts are completely different from something that a woman develops from puberty

>>85171436
Not even true
HRT is the same hormones that women themselves have while growing breasts
Its the same tissue and chemicals

>>85171417
why is it hard to leave the house?
for real the biggest tool of repression is the online troon 'commumity' with all their bs and parasocial crap even more than the ywnbaw weirdos
you dont need to 'come out' to anyone and most ppl dont care anyway. as far as everyone is concerned im just more faggoted than i used to be and its more visible because i socialize more
the internet can be great but its also poison for the mind. fewer and fewer online places are real. its all demoralization bots now.
life's short. better live it
t. >>85171227

>>85171495
i was going to local spots like coffee shops or the library or church or walking in the park everyday but its been too hot lately and i never had luck with meeting ppl there. havent rlly had irl frens since covid so its not really a new thing but now that im neeting its lonesome

>>85171436
>>85171473
nta but progesterone has been mentioned itt
E alone won't do a full job, but adding progesterone does in fact mimic natal female puberty. You got all the tissue for it. Boobs are entitely hormone based unlike hips/bones

>>85171536
>too hot lately
perfect excuse to fagmode
thats how i defeated my gear of wearing comfy dresses and skirts: in a hot summer. in the meantime i inspired others too, not even fags or troons.
>covid
yeah, IKTF. i will never forgive that.

>>85171574
thats true i do need to lean into fagmode or maybe enbymode. i paint my nails black and wear jewelry and that kinda fits but right now clothes wise im boymoding

>>85171380
>just that someone in this world will finally love me
may still not work
>I'm too retarded to be self sufficient. I'm gonna girl myself.
you dobt get that privilege unless you actually pass reasonably well
ironically, even for a small % of fem privelege we gotta work twice as hard
the married troon isnt lying when she says this is a confirmation of the bp. i saw less than 10% of what she saw and it's already shocking

>>85171612
put a black long dress nonny. or a black kilt. you already look queer/fag, might as well enjoy it

>>85171636
I'm taking my shot, if I fail I rope
its either rope now or maybe rope if I fail to be a troon. I just want a bf to love my stupid autistic ass.

>>85171761
whatever yuo do, never rope. live to spite everyone <3
if you fail at trooning, you're still left with being a femfag. just get out more and dont fall for online troon 'culture' bs

>>85171815
honestly, if I don't get a bf I will rope.
being this lonely is making me go insane.

its odd, as a boy I only wanted to date girls, but now that I want to troon I only wanna date boys. damned to be straight whatever the fuck I do.

>>85171828
But you will never know if that boyfriend loves you due to actual affection or out of desperation.

>>85171871
I don't care, honestly.
I think love is less mystical and more practical than people think it is. maybe thats my autism, but I don't have a problem with a guy being with me because its nice and we like each other and its convenient. if hes nice, provides and takes care of me, I will love him and do whatever he wants from me, sounds fair.

>>85171828
be patient, get cuter (petsonality and demeanor wise too) and it might just work
i had almost given up when i met my bf. foids don't actually lie when they say love comes when you expect it least but they forget to say it's way faster for them
>>85171871
nta but you do know after a while, let's not kid ourselves here
also, if it starts out if desperation but evolves into something genuine, does it even matter?

>>85171901
>get cuter
trying my best. I think my biggest issue is that I'm not used to talking to people. more used to being alone and lonely, too desperate for affection, especially the sexual kind. might just have sex with some guy to get it out of my system and be less pathetic about it. I fell for the whole online trans stuff for a bit, but it made me feel very violent. now I think I'm finally ready.

>>85171921
>might just have sex with some guy to get it out of my system and be less pathetic about it
i literally did that. went to the local gay bar as enby/femboy/whatever and just hit on the first guy i found cute. he told me no but pointed me towards a shy fag. ik i got lucky but w/e
>fell for the whole online trans stuff for a bit, but it made me feel very violent
it made me know what i dont want to be. no matter what, i wont be a turbocommie misandrist troon.
it also acted as a motivation to just get out and talk to ppl just so i dobt end up like the crazy troons on discord. i may be a degenerate castrated incel wannabe troon, but at least im not those people. better without 'community' than like that. and ironically just saying that irl got me some positive attention. turns out many other fags are also tired of this shit
we'll be fine. we're gonna make it, somehow

>>85167459
>>85167169
>>85167071
turbobased
whoever yuo are, i actually learned something from you