>>85571472
i think people should learn to be happy with their body without hrt or surgery unless theyre actually gonna commit suicide

>>85571520
I think people should be free to modify their bodies however they want whenever they want

> transgender surgeries

Homosexual spam belongs in the homosexual containment board >>>/lgbt/
Fuck off to your containment board, homosexual aberration

>>85571472
the testing phase is actually done on cisgenders because most of the surgies were invented for cis or intersex people, like none of them were made for transgenders specifically

>>85571556
even if their want to modify them is short sighted and will result in higher levels of depression and suicide?

consent from both sides isn't the sufficient fact for something to be moral btw

>>85571878
Don't care thats for people to decide for themselves. You say it'll make them depressed others say it'll make them feel better, some trannies say it made life worse others say it made life better. Its not for me to decide who is right. Individuals should be the master of their own fate, people should have the freedom to fuck up their life as long as its not directly fucking other peoples life like theft murder or rape. Theres no risk free way to live

>>85571878
>i consent
>i consent
>john 50: i dont
Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?

>>85571472
i as a biological woman volunteer myself as tribute for testing

>>85571878
>even if their want to modify them is short sighted and will result in higher levels of depression and suicide?
With that logic, lets ban alcohol and all psychoactive drugs. A lot of them can lead to the destruction of one's life, yet they are increasingly legal everywhere on the planet.
If I'm allowed to smoke cancer sticks and poison myself with alcohol, then so should insane people be allowed to pay their way into modifying their bodies.

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>>85571955
I agree people shouldn't be allowed to smoke cancer sticks

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>>85571472
i get the vision anon but even still testing on animals and the disabled is immoral.

>>85571955
>lets ban alcohol and all psychoactive drugs
err.. based anon?
how exactly would that be bad

FtM is a lose-lose, I'll never understand it.
>Don't pass and get treated like a freak
>Pass and get treated like a short, meek man

>>85571472
Most people who are transgender have been so much more compassionate and caring than most. They often have some form of trauma and the years of being mocked by everyone else makes them non-judgmental. They are used as the scapegoat in politics.

>>85571978
So I could theoretically get hip widening surgery, a couple ribs removed, and wear a corset?

>>85573251
>a couple ribs removed
I don't think that's necessary anymore, they do microcracks in your ribs now and you wear a corset while they heal so they stay in that position

>>85572669
>how exactly would that be bad
black market gets bigger, after every ban always stronger and more dangerous synthetic drugs get created because theyre not banned yet and if theyre banned theyre so potent its easy to smuggle something like carfentanyl and zenes compared to regular opium,
impuritys harm the user and lead to unpresictable health problems and overdoses like fentanyl or maybe non psychoactive cuts that are just toxic to the body etc
we all know how good banning alcohol worked in the usa and how amazing the war on drugs is currently going.
if drugs were legal and you could get a recreational perscription + education the gov would earn taxes on it, there would be less death and crime
also good societys tend to use less drugs there was a rat experiment etc

>>85573230
The only way FtM actually works out is if the girl is at least 173cm or so AND also works out like crazy the first several years on T.
>>85571912
>Theres no risk free way to live
Lots of insane debates would stop if more people understood this.

>>85571472
>i support nigger dick in my anus
i wish you bnwo guys could shut up about your fetish for like 20 seconds

>>85573950
if someone with the genetic predisposition for addiction is never exposed to addictive substances then they would be much healthier and less likely to search for worse substances.

this is coming from personal experience after an alcohol dependency which almost spiralled into something much worse.

>>85574059
>if someone with the genetic predisposition for addiction is never exposed to addictive substances then they would be much healthier and less likely to search for worse substances.
and if the sky is pink and is raining with gold coins, then every might be richer
now can we get back to reality? In reality, someone with the genetic predisposition to addiction will still be exposed no matter what the law says.
if it's not alcohol/tobacco, then it will be SSRIs, or gambling (videogames are gambling these days too), or black market cocaine, or all sorts of other addictions.

>>85574120
i see what you mean but i still believe minimizing the exposure is best for everyone

>>85574131
it's not. you're simply wrong.

>>85574131
except minimizing exposure causes other problems like anon said earlier, when propitiation was in america everyone still drank alcohol but they needed to do so through illegal means meaning that money want to criminal gangs rather than actual businesses.
trying to babysit adults leads to problems.

>>85574148
>propitiation
meant prohibition lmao

>>85574148
they went about it in the worst way. just phase it out over time like the UK did with cigarettes

all these efforts to become a pathetic simulacron of a woman

>>85574162
the difference here is that they have vapes as an alternative, if they banned vapes too then it would have the same effect.

>>85573239
yet they force others to call them what they will never be

>>85574178
its always some cartoonish caricature and in most cases some hypersexualized whore as they still have a mans sex drive and idea of what a woman is

>>85574200
looking close to a woman doesn't make them more valid though, as long as they call themselves what they are not and cannot be they will only deserve nothing but spite

>>85574178
>>85574200
"Real" women are psychos that give money to a triple child murderer.
Trannies are very sane in comparison.

>>85574238
>men that cut their dicks open and have to force an open wound open for the rest of their lives are actually the sane ones
Do you even hear yourself?

>>85574238
sure thing bucko

>>85574250
I haven't seen a single tranny support Clancy yet.

>>85574270
theres countless posts of trannies supporting brutalising and killing 'transphobes' theyre just as supportive of violence if it benefits them just as women are with Clancy

>>85574283
>wanting to kill people who want you dead is...
>LE BAD!!!!
okay libtard

>>85574603
so are 'transphobes' then retroactively justified in wanting to kill trannies if trannies want them dead?

>>85574603
Calling someone who doesn't shave their facial hair or voice train a he doesn't mean you want him dead.

>>85574162
>like the UK did with cigarettes
you people are incredibly naive, to put it mildly
the UK did nothing good with cigarettes.
by over taxation they made smoking weed way cheaper than smoking fags. that's very bad, by the way.
and the bullshit law they recently bragged about? it will never be applied. NZ tried the same shit too and then suddenly had a change of heart.
Oh, and the UK can't control how many and which people get into their country. If you think they can control how many cigarettes enter the country, I got a bridge in London for sale for you.

>>85574683
>I got a bridge in London for sale for you
Best I can do is 35.70 and a box of Curly Wurlys.

>>85571472
pretty much all the surgeries trannies get are the same as cis women get, even most of the vagina ones

>>85574622
if transphobes didn't want trannies dead, then trannies wouldn't want transphobes dead
if trannies didn't want transphobes dead, transphobes would still want trannies dead
so it really only goes in one direction

>>85574996
Not wanting them in women's sports and calling them men is not wanting them dead.

to the trannies reading, ywnbaw

>>85575012
in that case not wanting them in positions of power and calling them bigots is not wanting them dead
regardless of what they specifically want, trannies only hate transphobes because transphobes try to materially harm trannies. But transphobes hate trannies regardless of how trannies feel about them.

I wish I had tranny friends with girl voices to play vidya with

>>85571472
sad, he had a nice body