>>16752677
so you make 80k?
>>16752704
Quite a juvenile response from a supposed graduate. Fact is you're trying to convince retards it's still the 80s and we're surrounded by massive contracts that don't go straight to the golf course and 50k starting isn't a poverty wage. IF your average 2025 grad can get a job out of a BS which is unlikely for ALL fields now., he's walking into a job that is not much better than that of a teacher, mechanic, or janitor.
STEM is too oversaturated to rely on "private industry" which is increasingly comfortable with hiring foreigners like you for increasingly smaller wages. But there's a bigger problem
nobody dreams about being a true, not romanticized engineer to begin with. nobody fantasizes about optimizing heat exchanges. nobody fucking cares about sizing bolts for flanges
Engineering employability is about as bad as compsci employability going into the 30s. You are selling yourself a pipe dream of being a tech entrepreneur or whatever when you should be respeccing into grad school physics, math or chem. I of course am assuming you have passion for some of this. If you got into stem for the cash I would suggest trying to become garbage man, they have pensions still.

>>16752885
Bold of you to accuse anon of being juvenile and then follow up with that drivel.

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>>16752864
>Said author regularly views these /scg/ threads.
Yes, I am still here. After 14 months I have made a new update:
https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/

>>16752885
>You are selling yourself a pipe dream of being a tech entrepreneur or whatever when you should be respeccing

This post was literally written by a dumb Indian high schooler or something.

>>16752885
> You are selling yourself a pipe dream of being a tech entrepreneur or whatever when you should be respeccing into grad school physics, math or chem.

My nigga, what the fuck are you talking about. The whole meme with graduate level physics and chemistry is that you have all of this technical training and still have no job prospects. Getting a master's in the relevant engineering field is way more pragmatic than physics or chemistry for job security.

>>16752513
there is nothing preventing you from getting a PhD in the hard sciences with an engineering background. is that a good career choice? no, getting a PhD is retarded. but as an underageb& undergrad who doesn't know wtf he's doing there's no point in going for an academic degree over an engineering degree, you can always pivot to science later but you won't even be considered in many engineering career tracks without the appropriate engineering degree.

all the high paying jobs you can get with a physics or math degree are in shit like finance and (formerly) tech, they don't require either of those degrees specifically

guys Im doing EE right now, but wanted to change to Mechanical from the beginning (there was a problem with switching), I can do it next year, but I'm getting more internship opportunities with EE even as a second year student, just got accepted into a space project team
So idk what to do now, ME is more of a passion to me, but EE seems to be the most successful option in my situation
What do you think

>>16753594

Sure, research careers are shitty, private or public sector. Sure, engineering is more straightforward if you just want a job. But the idea some engineers have that they can do everything that e.g. physics PhDs can is not really true. Both in terms of knowledge/skills and hiring criteria.

>there is nothing preventing you from getting a PhD in the hard sciences with an engineering background
Hard sciences is a very broad term. Yes, you likely can enter some hard science PhDs with an engineering background. But over the whole field of e.g. physics that's more an exception than a rule.

>you can always pivot to science later
Not really. There very much is an academic career pipeline that, once out of, is very difficult to re-enter. Not impossible but it's not something you should plan on.

There's no option that definitely leaves open every door for you in perpetuity.

>>16753609
All the innovation in the ME field happens in the mechatronics side now. Electrical motors, sensors in cars, control systems, battery systems, drones, radar systems etc.

>>16753631
yeah that's what im seeing. lots of deman for EE and Electronics eng, not much for ME. I really wanted to go into nuclear ffission/fusion through ME, but this field is dead in the country im studying rn (just one company who works for ITER)
All major companies look for EE or telecom, or electronics
feel kinda sad

>>16753160
>WARNING: Lately, maths graduates report great difficulties in getting a job with a PhD in pure maths. Some end up working as dog groomers.
You laugh but I am living the nightmare that is a pure math PhD

>>16753672
What about moving to Space, Satellite communications, antennas, radio and radar. A lot of those engineers are EE/Physics but they are aging out.

>>16753611
>There's no option that definitely leaves open every door for you in perpetuity.
The vast majority of people don't start with all doors open.
>But over the whole field of e.g. physics that's more an exception than a rule.
Mostly because it's so rare for engineers to even attempt PhDs. I myself switched from an engineering field to a completely different scientific field, and I've seen all kinds of weird mixing and matching.

Maybe it's different if you only consider tip-top institutions like MIT or ETH but the vast majority of universities will happily accept people with different backgrounds into their grad schools in a variety of fields. Helps that outside the US an MSc is separate from a PhD so it gives you 2 years to re-specialize in something different before attempting to enter a PhD program.

>>16753659
There is an oversupply of STEM grads in every field. ME jobs exist pretty much everywhere but they're probably not the kinds of jobs you're interested in doing, and you'll have lots of competition.

>>16753609
Do EE and get a job, and reserve the passion for your hobbies. It is not advisable to combine the two.

>>16753672
I try to limit the doom scrolling, but lately there have been so many reports about fields in deep, deep trouble that I had to add several warnings.

Is trolling on LinkedIn to get engagement a viable personal marketing strategy?

>>16753825
Depends on what you exactly are trying to market.

https://www.tiktok.com/@eulersmanifesto/video/7491700135756320005

>>16753160
Nice, thanks for making this resource, lots of great stuff in here which is not otherwise obvious without experience. If you can find more stuff on it I'd be interested in reading about EE disciplines, it feels like that's the only field with a functional job market nowadays (as previous few messages highlight).

>>16753685
idk maybe in the US, here there's a shortage for good engineers who actually enjoy working

>>16753942
You are welcome.
And it is probably the most honest resource out there since I can make full use of yours and mine anonymity. Universities, on the other hand, will never hesitate to lie to attract even more students. That will break down one day, and I guess British universities will be the first to face reality.

Would you rather take an Internship at Zeiss' EUV subsidy or one at NASA's Quantum Metrology division?

>>16754569
Hard call big names and interesting subjects.

>>16754569
Personally, NASA

>>16753819
I might just do that. Next semester taking intro to engineering electronics, if I don't hate it, I'll stick with EE... And see how my situation evolves

>"entry" level position
>required to be a previous intern at that company to apply
should i apply any ways?

>>16754643
Why? Personal preference? Closer to your field? Geographic considerations?

>>16754654
You should have applied at 50 to 100 different places considering the state of the current economy.

>>16754668
closer to my personal interests, yes

>>16754654
apply always

>>16754569
If you go for Zeiss you will also get industrial experience, while NASA is funded from the government.
Both fields are good but EUV seems to be a wider field that will remain relevant for the foreseeable future.

>>16754434
>there is a shortage of <arbitrary, constrained condition that eliminates 99% of candidates who apply>
>just be <quality that is impossible to measure from your job application or during an interview>
yeah nah mate fuck off. 95+% of job applications get thrown out and nobody even looks at them.

>>16754466
True lol, the learn to code meme and how hard unis were (and still are!!) pushing that really opened my eyes. I didn't fall for it by sheer luck, but some of my friends did and are not enjoying the results.
> British universities
As an American I've always wanted to live/study/work in the UK since it seems cool but literally everything I read about anything related to the UK is horrifyingly negative even compared to here. Feels pretty sad to watch desu.

>>16754851
The decline and fall of British universities is a regular topic at FT.com and consensus seems to be that several universities will collapse. Many "students" enrolled so that on graduating they could apply for asylum. So when the collapse starts, the students will probably be left in limbo for a while. I have no idea how the overseas students will be handled and I think it is best to observe from a great distance.
French and German universities are also in trouble, seems Europe has seen better days.

>>16754807
vro you have to socialize, online CVs are a gamble

This faang internship isn't all it's cracked up to be. Why must life disappoint me so?

Got a new position as a data scientist in some company's finance org, planning to use their tuition reimbursement program to get a masters since that's the only way for me to get promoted in this position apparently. Do you guys have any reccs for masters programs?
Only constraint is that it has to be in the US and be an online program. My background is a B.S. in applied math and would like the ability to do computational math (or do ai/ml buzzword stuff) in different domains/industries.
UT Austin and Harvard seem to have Computational Science programs that seem interesting but are unfortunately in-person programs. While I'm drawn towards more science/math-oriented programs, I do wonder if a masters in CS is much more worth it

If I could go back in time I'd spinning back kick Thomas Bayes down a flight of stairs. Here's for wasting years of my life on Bayesian deep learning HIYYYYAAAAAH, and another one for inspiring vile and evil rationalists and effective altruists AKIIIIDOOOOO HAAIIIIII

>>16754903
>there's a shortage of my friends applying for jobs
is not the same as
>there's a shortage of engineers
or even
>there's a shortage of engineers who will successfully be able to do the job if I hire them

there's a shortage of
>people you know and trust already
>people with 15 years of experience in the exact highly specific role you're looking to fill
>people with a 160IQ who will choose to work at your noname company out in the sticks for 80k over a FAGMAN for 800k
etc

but none of these reflect on the employment prospects of the average or even above average STEM grad.

>>16755304
>humblebragging
99% of posters here would happily kill you to take your spot, me included.

>>16755314
GeorgiaTech OMCS program. Not even that expensive when it comes to an American degree.

>>16755986
From the moment I emerged unhappily from the womb I have been crying out for death. A question begging for it's answer.

You'd be doing me a favour.

I am a mathematician
All jobs available in my area are
>Teacher
>Heavy machinery technician
>Nurse
>Burger flipper
What do?

>>16756046
Get a master's degree in Physics or EE.
Tragically, burger flippers can be paid the same as a postdoc in the UK.

>>16755986
Don't engage with the bait, this schizo has been spamming at least the past three threads with incoherent rants about faang internships. I have no idea why but if there was a joke intended at any point its carcass has long since disintegrated. If you're reading this >>16755304 please gtfo, nobody enjoys listening to inside jokes between you and whoever the fuck these are intended for, this is not discord.

Getting dropped by my advisor was a good thing in the long run. Anybody else know this feel?

>>16756245
What happened and how did it all go down? Give us the full details please.

I'm about to finish my associates in some shitty community college an an engineering track and I really want to do mechatronics
Can I do a normal mechanical engineering degree or should I seek out some specific school and program

>>16756250
>go to school for EE in flyoverville
>started doing research in the lab for one of my professors
>eventually got my undergrad degree, meanwhile my senior year I was getting the impression my professor was grooming me to go get my masters or PhD
>offered a monthly stipend for my masters at 1500 dollars a month and tuition paid for in full
>take it and go into my masters program for electromagnetics
>struggle through grad school for a 6 month period, feel directionless, getting filtered by MATLAB
>have an amazing personal relationship with my advisor but finally enough is enough and my lack of results leads them to dropping me
>now got a comfy cubicle job making 85k with my bachelors with only rare amounts of actually hard critical thinking in flyoverland

Graduated with bachelors in EE in bay area, wasted a couple months after doing nothing and passing FE, didn't have any internships either, is there anything other than just applying to anything I see? Thinking of possibility of moving to, but idk what to expect

>>16756201
That's the first post I've ever made you coward

I'm never going to stop you shit, you wretch. You should have thought about that when you were rude to me 5 threads ago. I've got tenacity. I'm tenacious. I never quit. That's what it takes to get a faang internship you don't really enjoy.

Why am I even talking to you? It's not like you've ever got a faang internship. And you know why? It's because when people interact with you it leaves a bad taste in their mouths. They can tell your soul is like a clump of mud. Whereas I have a beautiful shimmering don jolly indigo child aura.

I'm sorry I take it back that's not befitting of a world historical sunshine boy. I don't know anything about your soul and I won't let your relentlessly negative bullying infect my mental.

>>16756258
>have an amazing personal relationship with my advisor
who was the top

>>[bunch of spam]
why does /sci/ attract so many strange schizos? it's well above the mean for this website.

Survivability

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I started playing Old School RuneScape at work instead of worrying about how I'm not doing anything meaningful. Bandaid fix but life is much more tolerable now.

>>16756738
>>16756738
Pursuing a stem career is the most mentally unhinged thing you can do. I should know as the very unhappy owner of a faang internship

Why is everything in life so disappointing? Why is nothing better than my imagining of it in my amazing and beautiful mind? Why am I only happy when I'm dreaming?

Should I go for omscs or uc boulder/coursera msece?

>>16756258
>comfy cubicle job making 85k with my bachelors with only rare amounts of actually hard critical thinking in flyoverland
How do normies stand it to live like this?

Academia
>Read and do research for hours
>Teach for 1-2 hours a day
Military Industrial Complex Job
>Read and do research for hours
>Work on projects for 1-2 hours a day

>>16756348
>when you were rude to me 5 threads ago
I was on vacation 5 threads ago, and for good reason it seems. Nobody knows who the fuck you're trying to talk to. I understand that annoying people is your only joy in life but please find another board to do it.

>>16756738
Other than this thread (despite people like above) and the textbook thread, this board has been awful unusable /x/ slop for years. At some point I guess it feeds into itself.

>>16756974
Don't lie, I've memorised your smug self satisfied posting style.

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>>16756974
Is it unreasonable to assume that not a single other person would get pissed off seeing waves of picrel on this site every day? Anyways I'm done, do whatever you want. This hellsite is fucked either way.

>>16756898
>Why is everything in life so disappointing?
There is a mismatch between reality and your expectations of it.
>Why is nothing better than my imagining of it in my amazing and beautiful mind?
Either monumental imagination or monumental self image.
>Why am I only happy when I'm dreaming?
Try your hand as an author.

>>16757026
seeing this cheered me up and made me feel a lot better about my faang internship, early male menopause lol

Why is everybody in these threads mentally ill?

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Anyone here with a STEM degree that does not regret it.

>>16758297
I don't regret the degree itself. Career decisions afterwards yes. I'll be a poor incel forever but I think it would have been even worse elsewhere.

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>>16758297
Sure. The road was longer and harder than I thought but I am happy with my choices.
t.PhD in Physics.

>Fell for the engineering meme
GET ME OUT
GET ME OUT
GET ME OUT

Is racism a problem in getting a job?

>>16752885
They hated him because he told the truth

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Any bioinformaticians here?
Just wanted to hear your general experience and advice. It's my first year of the PhD and I work as a research intern for my department. The pay isn't much but I like my job. Mostly multiomic research, mathematical modeling and general statistics in R and Python. My main goal is to break into industry once I finish.

Anybody have an opinion on this Mathematical AI PhD in university of Lancaster.

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/maths/research/mars/#d.en.604246

>>16759289
Very buzzword heavy. What kind of mathematics do you even need for ai? Chain rule?

>>16758657
I never heard that was a problem in hard sciences. Had it been a problem, we would not have seen any Chinese or Japanese scientsts in the West.
There are other problems such as in the UK where prestigious positions are reserved for the Oxbridge graduates. A Chinese friened of mine lost out because of that and ended up leaving the UK.

Rip josh Saunders you would have loved faang internships

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GET A MATH PHD

>>16760187
WHY

>32, working full time in a lab at a chemical plant for $80k/yr
>also going to school full time for a BS in chem

P. Chem is going to make me fully bald by December but at least they're paying for it. I'm debating going for an MS in chem since I have 8 years in oil & gas as well as chemical plant labs already and I don't wanna spend that much more time on a PhD.

Any anons here in a chemistry focused/adjacent field that pays decently that isnt routine, follow the SOP and put numbers in LIMS type work? Looking at R&D positions at my current company lately. Hoping for around $100k in the next few years.

How to i become a normal sex having wagie?

>>16758297
They are at work. Or on /fit/.
You wont find them in the /unemployed general/.

>>16760444
>Or on /fit/.
lol. lmao even.

Recent ChemE grad that just started his career as a process engineer at an Ammonia plant here. I'm almost two months in and feeling incompetent after my boss basically grilled me for not understanding basic concepts in the process or being able to identify the work I should be prioritizing.

I've been feeling like shit and having really bad imposter syndrome since. I feel like I'm going to eventually get fired. I thought I was improving and a part of me feels that it is really unfair that I am getting this grilled this early on, but I'm capable of taking criticism so I will try my hardest to give results. However, my anxiety is telling me that I'm not that smart and I just BS'd my way through college. I can't help but compare myself to some of the more senior engineers who are excellent at their jobs and can immediately answer questions. I'm kind of lost and don't know what to do. This job was the only offer I got after college and I'm scared I won't be able to work as an engineer again if I do get fired not even a year into this job.

Any other anons that have gone through this?

>>16760733
I was grilled during my orals, that was traumatic.
You have a degree, that is the foundation. One cannot expect a fresh graduate to have all the specifics fully under control. Clearly you have a bad boss who, most likely, has a poor theoretical foundation. People like that never got past Mr. Dunning-Kruger - and they know they never will.

These days I am a senior, and my role is to bring up the juniors to become better than I was. Torching juniors will not achieve anything constructive.

>>16760733
Your boss is a fucking retard. You're gonna have to learn to talk shit back to people who are "above" you and not give a shit about risking losing your job. The sorts of dumbfucks that take their anger out on their minions are the same sorts of dumbfucks that respect force and emotion over logic. So give him what he wants.

>>16760733
Just keep applying

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Before/after math PhD

>>16758297
I don't regret it but I do regret the job I took and I regret indebting myself to my company by using their tuition assistance for my Master's degree.

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Here is some statistics from Sweden about lifetime earnings of different degrees compared to just high school. Really fucking grim. Only MD and MEng make economic sense.

>>16761669
Average lifetime earnings after taxes for college graduates are 17% over high school graduates

>>16761021
I might get to this point soon, Im not far away enough from when I graduated that I cant explain the long gap in unemployment if I exclude this company from my CV. My boss is coming down in two weeks and if I get grilled again Im going to start applying en masse to other companies.

Take care of your health, few others will:
>‘Quiet cracking’ is spreading in offices: Half of workers are at breaking point, and it’s costing companies $438 billion in productivity loss
https://archive.is/E7YxS
>“The telltale signs of quiet cracking are very similar to burnout. You may notice yourself lacking motivation and enthusiasm for your work, and you may be feeling useless, or even angry and irritable,” Martin Poduška, editor in chief and career writer for Kickresume, tells Fortune. “These are all common indicators of quiet cracking, and they gradually get worse over time.”
>Unlike “quiet quitting,” this decline in productivity from workers isn’t intentional. Instead, it’s caused by feeling worn down and unappreciated by their employers. And oftentimes, as with burnout, they don’t even register it creeping up on them until it’s too late. But feeling unable to quit in protest because of the current job market, it’s left them ultimately stuck and unhappy in their roles.

>Unfortunately, managers are slow to catch on
Do they even care?
>there are ways to spot fissures in company culture before employees are fully down in the dumps, and managers need to stand on guard
They won't. To wit:
>Among employees who experience quiet cracking, 47% say their managers do not listen to their concerns
Next is shifting the blame:
>Managers aren’t the only ones with power in fighting workplace disengagement; employees also have the power to combat their own unhappiness.
>If you feel like there are no opportunities for progression with your role, you may find it worthwhile to talk to your manager about a development plan
We already established they won't and do not care.
>However, not every company is going to be invested in developing their workers, even if they voice the need for it.
See?

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Is STEM dead as a career path for the mediocre student? AI so so far above the average student that it's makes me wonder why should mediocre people go into STEM anymore

>>16762869
ESL...

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What are the most and least promising areas of research in /cs/?
I barely know anything, and I kinda like computer systems. I did a small research project with synchronization primitives

>>16762814
How is this different from regular burnout?

>>16762985
Thankfully, I have not experienced this myself, but from the article, the difference is that
> You may notice yourself lacking motivation and enthusiasm for your work, and you may be feeling useless, or even angry and irritable
Colleagues who were burned out just lost all energy.

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5 weeks until I have to submit my thesis. I've been running on fumes since forever, but I'm almost done. Then, either I pass my viva, or I kill myself.

Experiencing never before seen levels of suicidal ideation. I bet that's exactly what you wanted isn't it? It's making you really happy you little freak, you freak.

I've been applying for phds in every direction I can find.

The competition is fierce in Sweden right?

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Is this true?

I am writing my first thesis.
What must I watch out for when 'quoting' a figure.
I want to show an image from another author in my work (because they are wrong and dumb).

>>16764855
Dont

>>16764855
I'm in germany. Professors who disnt know I didn't even bachelor yet have been spamming PhD tenders my way for quite some time.
Might be a national thing. Or a skill thing.

It's unironically over for me. Ten yeas ago people were telling me EVs are the future, go into electrochemistry. Now I am about to graduate with my PhD in battery tech and the last German automaker closed their pilot production line for battery cells yester. A whole industry was destroyed from the systemic incompetence of a dumb and nostalgic management boomer class going full Nokia. We used to have the research edge and still have it in many areas but no chance if management is that incompetent. German manufacturers will now for 100% be dependent on Chinese-made battery packs, which account for up to 40% of value added per car, so they likely won't exist for long anymore.

Recommendations for countries to emigrate to? I speak 5 languages.

>>16765154
I am hellbent on leaving germany currently and I have made out several options, I'm a bit on the edge, it really depends on wether I want to try healing and be a functioning member of a society somewhere again or go full hermit.
Honestly poland, portugal, sweden. Sweden is the full hermit mode tho.

>>16765293
t. industrial engineer / electrical development engineer btw

>>16764973
Just have "figure taken from [citation]" in the figure legend

TIA or migraine? Trying to figure out what's causing your scintillating scotoma is a fun game to play at your hellish faang internship that's making you consider if getting your PhD really was a huge waste of time and if all the suffering you have been availed to throughout your miserable stemcel life was for nothing

>>16765020
How are there that many PhDs?

>last classes left before graduating masters are calculus 2 and differential equations
Am I fucking retarded or what?? Nothing else has been too difficult but fuck this integration bullshit and ln and e whatever the fuck

>>16767537
>Am I fucking retarded or what??
Most people do those classes in high school or in first year of uni.

>>16767153
okay thank you will do that.
this would also mean i am okay with making additions if I point it out like
'figure taken from (citation), authors additions'? or so?

>>16767503
How do you mean that, every prof has maybe one or two and the profs that are part of the decanate my studies are part of would usually approach me when I have a course with them. or worked with them or something and thats usuay where I need to be like 'ermmm... i dont even have a bachelors.'
I already thought if I could leapfrog shit lol. Like if I get uni to hand it out and i complete it is it my fault then and would it not being my fault mean they have to leave it be?KEK anyways bachelors in 4 weeks

>>16765293
Why would you go to Sweden? One of the worst countries in the world for PhDs

>>16756046
Millwrights make bank if you don't mind the long shifts and potential travel.

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>>16763663
Hang on in there, anon, it is always darkest before daybreak.

>>16767740
No after I'm done. I want to not be in germany. Thats the main motivator. I want nothing to do with it.
Maybe I'm overreacting and I just want to be 10km from the next settlement in maybe spain, portugal or sweden and work fulky remote only as much as I need which is very very little.
If that's an overreaction it would mean I can actually just do the normie thing judt not in germany.
But for the time being it's unironically smack bang in the middle of Angermanland/Jämtland. Buy a summer house but inhabit it permanently.
>inb4 Ted
Unironically what society does to a MFer.

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>uni's CS enrollment is way down, EE/CPE enrollment is skyrocketing
>EE/CPE technical electives that had ~5 students a couple years ago now have nearly four times that
i thought it was a meme but no, EE really is the new CS.
which subfields are best to go into and which ones should i avoid? RF seems pretty okay based on the types and number of people in my classes, while semiconductors and anything digital looks grim

>>16767847
>EE really is the new CS.
yes.
>which subfields are best to go into
are you paying attention to what you're saying? look at what happened to the trend chasing retards in CS. now, what does that tell us about the outcomes of trend chasing?

>>16767714
In that case you say "figure adapted from [citation]"

>>16768160
thanks again

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That feel when in a country with very high unemployment.
Therefore no PhDs available.

>>16767847
Use your EE to go into petroleum and make six figures in some carcinogenic shit town and never look back.

how much does age matter in phd applications and post phd career? I wish to start my Phd at 29 and I really really wish to get into top Phd programs bros. I'm a CS fag of course.

is there any hope in pursuing a career in MEMS? is it possible to pivot that into something else if it doesn't work out?

>>16768522
29 is fine especially in CS.

>>16768649
fr?? how many even manage to find a job post phd in academia or a well paid job (150-200k +) in the industry?

>>16768678
CS has historically been a gold mine.

>>16768790
lol, not anymore. It's the largest source of unemployment today. No Phd in fake fields will save you

Good idea to go back for a PhD by dropping your 100k job?

>>16769284
lol no

How hard is it to transitioning from back-end semiconductor electronics (adhesives, wiring) to front-end?

can entrance exam scores of my cunt be used for greatly improving my odds of landing a good phd program in the west, as an international applicant?

>>16770785
You mean university entrance? Lmao no one gives a shit about that here. If you had exceptional grades you can list it on your cv with an explanation in brackets (like percentile) if you otherwise have good grades in college too it underlines you being a good student but apart from that it's utterly irrelevant.

>>16770796
the grad school uni entrance exams in my cunt are actually quite hard in terms of difficulty & competition that they're even considered for job recruitment in a good lot of govt companies and are even considered for grad school admissions in germany & singapore.

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>>16770796
moreover, how are grades even taken seriously as cheating is just far more likely to happen in university course exams unlike national level entrance examinations with extremely strict monitoring & a real possibility facing jail in some cases and a sure life time ban from taking up examinations, after being caught?
here's a question i took randomly where the candidate has to answer 65 questions within 3 hours, of which some are MCQ(single correct & multi correct types) and numerical answer type.

>>16770834
Grad school admissions in Germany aren't competitive for 99% of all programs, especially in Stem so this means shit.

>>16767537
this is a science board, retard

>>16770998
MSc correct. PhDs are competitive since they are paid.

I'm stuck always working for shit research groups where the PI is always too junior and too incompetent, and can provide no good guidance at all.
It's my fault. I guess I should have prepared better for grad school.

But now I'm stuck,
>shit guidance
>lots of wasted time, no good results
>no good publications
>cannot change to a better group

This is why you don't do a PhD with a junior PI, with no track record at all.

>>16771994
You are literally me. I am the first PhD student to my PI's group. She is so disorganized at everything and always delegates a lot of tasks to me. Everything you said applies to my experience as well. I just spend the entire summer doing "research" with nothing to show for it.
How long have you been in your PI's group? started this summer and so there is still an option to switch.

>>16772037
if you can switch, do it immediately

I am from Europe so I cannot switch because it's not how it works here.
The longer you go without good results the harder it becomes to switch or to justify your time there, even if you just want to find a job.

I'm unfortunately stuck in this catch-22 where I just want to leave but I first need to publish something so I can justify the time I spent there.

>>16772063
It's the start of a new school semester here so I cannot switch as soon as I would like to but I can switch as I near its end.
>I first need to publish something so I can justify the time I spent there
I see. Is that restriction set by your department or one you set yourself? Are you trying to get published to a really high-tier journal, or are fine with an "average" one?
I am trying to leave ASAP because my PI not only has no idea what she is doing but also loves to take her stress and anger out on others when pressured, loves to scream at me during group meetings, and makes me come to the lab on weekends where I work ~11 hrs.

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>>16752864
I want to be part of the current space race somehow, but I'm afraid it may be too late for me to start college for aerospace engineering at this point; I'm 22 and was homeschooled so I would be far behind new high school graduates in terms of timing. Not to mention the financial hurdles I'll have to clear. I believe I have the mind for it but I might just be too late. Maybe I'll stick to flight school. I just want to be useful while doing something really cool that I'm passionate about at the same time. Does anyone know how difficult it is to get into high caliber engineering programs at the level required for a career? What steps should I take in determining whether aerospace engineering is the right path for me?

>>16772129
>Is that restriction set by your department or one you set yourself?
I did a couple of interviews and in both they emphasized that I am basically in this situation where I need to justify my time in this shit department, else I just look super bad.

If you're doing EE is it a must to do AI-related postgraduate stuff?

>be me
>desperately looking for a new job
>spot really interesting academic project on GitHub
>ticks literally all of my boxes
>send an email
>???
>no reply

The disappointment was expected, but it still hurts.
It's a super niche thing btw, so I doubt he gets lots of emails asking to work on the project.

>>16772514
Depends on what you want to do, but typically for most fields in EE the answer is no.

>>16772514
>>16772600
can you study and work on low power inference devices as EE?

I'm surprised at how almost everyone working at my physics department is a normalfag. By which I mean they're all in a relationship. Sperg wizards like me who have never even dated are very few. I'm not annoyed by this because at least the coworkers have never tried ask me questions about this topic. Just surprised because I thought there would be more weirdos working in research. But maybe the weirdos tend to drop out and not graduate and I'm an exception. Or maybe they go for computer science. Thoughts?

>>16772631
If it has to do with the manipulation of electrons, it can be done with an EE degree. The only thing is the more specialized and niche the field of study, the harder it will be to actually find a university or job that works in that field. Ubiquitous fields like power, controls, semiconductors, etc can be done at many universities. If it's niche then you'll have to dig and find the right university for it.

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Got an offer for a company sponsored PhD today

Yurotard here.
What do you need to do to work with a Professor at an American uni?

Here in Europe you can mostly just email them, and they might open a position for you as a PhD, PostDoc or temp academic worker of some kind. That's how I got all my past jobs.

I guess the US is different, because whenever I email a Prof, I never get a reply back at all.
I'm not spraying and praying my CV, either. It's all very targeted with good cover letter and a good show of interest and relevant experience.

I have 10 days to become a python data analyst wizard for the most important interview of my life and review my quantum mechanics lectures from the 3rd semester.

Should I just kill myself.

Hey friends, I would like some tips on how to get my first data science job with just a stem bachelor's and no experience. Assume I already tried every standard approach. Thanks in advance.

>>16773249
Step 0: don't because the market is oversaturated with graduates from all fields and AI made it so easy to do data science that the job is basically fully automated now

>>16773249
Also datascience is the old fad. The new fad is AI.
Instead of having a datascientist give you bullshit "hand readings" of your corporate data, you feed all data into an LLM to get the same bullshit hand reading.

>>16773258
>>16773256
I'm afraid I've no choice at this point. Anything else?

>>16772553
90% that the email address is depreciated. Check what other emails they can be using.

How much does olympiad math help in areas like theoretical CS/ML/Data science? Does it help you have an accelertated or deeper learning experience when you're doing math and theoretical CS courses?

>>16772667
Scientists are chads now, this isn't the 80's my brotha

>>16772667

There's a pretty big spread. The more applied and chemistry-like you get, the more normies and women there are. Everyone I've seen who does theoretical high energy physics has been a massive sperg.

>>16773402
The benefits of olympiad math are that it will solidify strong foundations (i.e. ability to follow complex reasoning without missing cases, being comfortable with high abstractions, etc.) and it will also let you develop a sense for that intuitional feeling of when certain approaches "should work" or "can't work" or whatever, which is an extremely useful soft skill that most undergrads suffer badly from not having.
The obvious detriment is that most olympiad math is topically kind of niche, you'd be spending a lot of time learning random spatterings of elementary lemmas like Fermat's little theorem or Vieta's formulas which have next to no use once you leave olympiad math, and the previous benefits could in theory be gotten just from any general long-term work on difficult problems, so you may as well find problems that are topically close to what you really want to learn.

>>16772667
I'm a mathfag and noticed basically the same thing, a few fellow spergs but mostly socially well-adjusted. I think it's a combination of spergs not actually being as common as you think in general, and also even the academia path having a bit of a sperg filter by the time you get to grad school, just a slight but continuous social force that starts in grade school and gently biases the most socially maladjusted away from respectable positions.

>>16772384
>be me
>physics wastrel
>phd in novel magnetic materials
>mostly like tinkering with dil fridges
>shake hand at conference
>talk about dil fridge
>get job designing cryocoolers for spacecraft
There are a lot of paths into space. If you want to do it stop whining and make it happen, 22 is not too late.

>>16773631
Ok, I've some things to ask topic wise.
1.Geometry-Will the theory, tools, ideas and techniques that an olympiad student learns benefit him when he encounters a rigorous course on linear alegbra?
2.algebra(inequalities, theory of eqns, sequences, functional eqns.)-what bout this topic?
3.combinatorics-again, will this help in some advanced combinatorics course or something like idk computational geometry? I've heard olympiad level combinatorics is wild

>>16772384
>I want to be part of the current space race somehow, but I'm afraid it may be too late for me to start college for aerospace engineering at this point
nah, 22 is a fine age for starting college. just don't mention it and most people wont ask or care. if anything, being a bit older is probably better for your career in the long run since you'll (hopefully) be a bit more mature than you're peers and can prioritize studying and extracurriculars better
>Does anyone know how difficult it is to get into high caliber engineering programs at the level required for a career [in space]?
my university has something like a 95% acceptance rate and i interned at a space company last summer. any state school with an ABET accredited engineering program (mech-e, EE, aero are the typical ones) is "good enough". what really decides whether they'll hire you (as an undergrad/new grad) the project experience you get while in undergrad, since the degree itself is little more than a box to check to filter applicants.
after you get past your first year or two of employment, nobody cares about where you got your degree from unless it's an ivy league
>What steps should I take in determining whether aerospace engineering is the right path for me?
just enroll and try it out. see if you can get involved in some uni-sponsored space projects (undergrad research, rocketry club, etc) and see if you like it

Should I troon out? I think it's my only path to getting hired.

>>16772797
That's normal.
A lot of the time you just went into their spam filter which means you are effectively invisible to them.
They also get lots of emails and could easily have just overlooked you.

I have my physics prelim at the end of the semester and I'm terrified. I thought it was supposed to be next semester but apparently the rules changed over the summer (lol).

I don't think the fail rate is that high at my school but still, the thought of being kicked out of my program failing out on my life goals makes me terrified.

Anyone have any tips for this?

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>be me
>gradutae uni
>get job in embedded
>get to work on airbags, steering colums, etc.
>everyone gets laid off and company gets broken up into smaller companies
>start work in devops and its boring af
>"it'll just be here a few months, no worries!"
>been almost a year
>rusty + skills from automotive dont transfer that well to other embedded areas

I was thinking of doing a github project involving the techs I want to get proficient at, thats a no brainer, my question is should I work on getting certs? What about a masters?
I already built a comp sci curriculum based on a few masters programs that intrest me but a lot of people in meatspace advise me against a masters despite the fact that I've seen a few job postings that treat it as YoE.
What do? Validate me or spit, you choice.

>>16774286
>theory, tools, ideas and techniques
The overlap between specific material like this in olympiad math and specific material in "advanced" math or math-adjacent fields is very small, so if that's your goal then olympiad math as a whole would be a huge waste of time. Pick up actual textbooks.

>>16774414
>certs
>masters
unless your employer is paying for it, dont do it. you're better off doing an embedded project on the side, focusing on whatever you want to work on in the future
throwing away a job without having another offer lined up is retarded considering the state of the job market right now

>>16774286
If you are still in high school you can study some olympiad math and go to some competitions, the competition format is great because it forces you to be better and you can meet some fellow spergs, some of which will be successful later on in life
If you already graduated or are close to graduating high school then its a bit pointless desu, focus on more relevant stuff

ALL I EVER WANTED WAS TO BE A PROGRAMMER OF NUMERICAL LIBRARIES
WHERE THE FUCK DID IT ALL GO SO WRONG?

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>>16774561
I keep seeing that projects don't have as much visibility to employers on /g, either way a cool project is a cool project.
Might skip on the cert but masters has always been a personal goal, just dunno how much it would help at getting a job...
I'll stick with the job but honestly if they we're more demanding I would have quit already, I have a small side business I could survive off, not optimal but doable.
I just don't want to get barred from that field or whatever, writing software that could kill people is my passion.

>>16774613
I've heard a lot of inequalities, combinatorics and number theory is useful later in life. How true is it?

>>16774696
Saying "inequalities" and "combinatorics" are useful is like saying "variables" are useful. I've known undergrads like you, you're still thinking of math like it's Khan Academy, where all you have to do is pick the keywords you need and go through those courses. Overeager is maybe the word; you're trying to design your own curriculum but don't really even have a general understanding of the field.
There's a reason the standard math curriculum has settled where it is; pay your dues, get the textbooks and stick with it.

I'm a sophomore who switched from electrical engineering to computer engineering because it's easier. Was this a mistake?

>>16774857
compare how many times you hear 'electrical' in your day to day life vs 'computer'. Now try to guess which is going to need more engineers.
yeah...

Im a senior chemistry student interested in materials but im terrified of the job market. Is getting a masters in materials science retarded? Should I do a phd instead? I just want to make a solid living. Debating going into finance or law at this point.

>>16774790
I understand I'm sounding like a retard, but there really are some standard texts on inequalities & solving functional eqns.

>>16775064
I'm assuming the worst because you speak very vaguely. It would help to know what exactly your background is and what exactly you're trying to accomplish.
>there really are some standard texts on inequalities & solving functional eqns.
Inequalities I can believe, there are a lot of classical inequalities, but it's quite rare to encounter most of them "in the wild" apart from Cauchy-Schwarz and maybe Holder. It's much more common to just use calculus-based optimization. And I googled "functional equations textbook" and got almost exclusively contest-related results.
Those two examples are particularly poor as well; inequalities and functional equations are, along with Euclidean geometry, notorious for being just "contest math" rather than "actual math." And even then you don't see many contest inequalities nowadays.

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>>16775103
>It would help to know what exactly your background is and what exactly you're trying to accomplish.
alright, take this as a confession eh. I just have a high school degree and about 8 months time to decide what I wish to pursue.I was wondering if I was cut out for doing serious math on my own and luckily enough an incredibly hard math entrance exam is conducted every year in my country. Although I have no intent of joining their math program, but I was wondering if I could use their entrance exam as a litmus test to check my abilities. The syllabus for the exam covers the olympiad syllabus and also has single variable calculus, although questions are more proofs based. The questions are also of olympiad flavour where explicit proofs/solutions have to be written. pic rel is a sample question

>>16775167
>I just have a high school degree and about 8 months time to decide what I wish to pursue
Mother fucker.

>if I was cut out for doing serious math on my own
No.

>Although I have no intent of joining their math program, but I was wondering if I could use their entrance exam as a litmus test to check my abilities
Stop fucking around and procrastinating and GTFO me thread.

>>16775188
ah c'mon, I could be a half decent computer scientist in the making

>>16775213
Yes but this "litmus testing" has fundamentally nothing to do with it. You're fucking about.

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>>16775230
>Yes but this "litmus testing" has fundamentally nothing to do with it
I'm not just a neet either as I'm currently enrolled in a diploma course just so I don't end up wasting time. But my heart lies with math and CS. Here's another sample question if you think this is a joke. M8, I just want to know for a fact that my exam prep wouldn't go to waste even if I screw this exam up as that preparation may help me in learning shit like algorithms, discrete math, etc., in a deeper level.

>>16775238
>just want to know for a fact that my exam prep wouldn't go to waste even if I screw this exam up
It will.

>>16775240
why so mean?

>>16775243
Because you are fucking about, feel bad about it, and want le Gigabrain Groyper /scg/ to tell you that your fucking about is actually heckin' productive and cool so that you don't feel bad about fucking about.

The only thing that studying for exams ever helps with is passing said exams. If you want to study linear algebra - study linear algebra, Shilov's book is easy to pirate. If you want to study combinatorics - study combinatorics. And if you want to win olympiads - go win olympiads. Don't come here and ask locals to tell you how useful and nutritious your halfassed tilt with a math olympiad is going to be for your Greater Understanding of CS and ML and some shit. It won't be.

>>16775253
alright. thx for the kick in the arse m8. Will do the needful stooodying.

Instead of wasting time with competition math just get a faang internship and stop playing about

AM I Crazy or is success in a PhD mostly about the PI/advisor and not the student/candidate?

Good PIs never have failed students and seemingly all their papers get cited handsomely. How can this be?

Seems to me, good PIs just have really good ideas for papers (very important) and can actually effectively guide their PhD students and then once they build a reputations of solid work the citations comes from themselves because everyone will be following their work.

Meanwhile, bad PIs start of with shit paper ideas. Then expect their PhD students to do miracles and then when the PhD gets stuck staring at an unmovable wall, the PI has no good advice to give either. And when eventually something gets published, it gets ignored because the PI has a shit track record.

>>16775540
It depends. Some PIs are legitimately clueless and lucked into having a few ambitious students do everything and start up their career for them. If they can build enough of a reputation during that time they can keep attracting good students. After that it kind of depends on the group culture whether or not that situation spins out of control or not.

>>16775238
I don't even know what this means anymore.
t. chemlet

>>16775540
>AM I Crazy or is success in a PhD mostly about the PI/advisor and not the student/candidate?
For funding, research direction and signal boosting of the accompanying papers for a PhD:
Institution > Lab > PI = Candidate

For completing a PhD:
Student = doctoral committee. Everything else is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Good conditions can and very much do make you PhD a lot more comfortable, sensible and relevant to your further career. Success in obtaining a PhD is entirely down to you working and the committee recognizing that you done work.

>Seems to me, good PIs just have really good ideas for papers (very important)
It's more complicated than that. You don't just research whatever the fuck you want just because you are a PI, and you don't advise PhDs that are lightyears away from your shit, so you integrate your students into what you have. And you don't come up with things for the student - you advise, you give a student some direction and, if you're a good PI, do some back and forth on the ideas, shooting down the bad ones and encourage the good ones. If a student expressed the sentiment that I am supposed to give him all the ideas ready on a silver platter, I'd terrorize that faggot on purpose. You're here to try and learn, so try and learn, even if you feel like you don't know what you're doing. That's the whole point.

>Meanwhile, bad PIs start of with shit paper ideas, then expect
I assure you 80% of bad PIs only very occasionally remember that they even have students. The remaining 20% do remember but only because those students are female and provide sex.

>And when eventually something gets published, it gets ignored
99,999% of all PhD papers get ignored. They are PhD papers ffs. PhD students CAN get good papers if their PhD is well integrated into a bigger study, so the student gets a 47th authorship on an actual Big Boy paper.

IYou just have a seething student perspective but it's ok, you'll learn. Probably.

>>16776019

I worked under 3 PIs and I always had major issues:

1. 1st PI allowed me no freedom and he basically used me as ChatGPT before ChatGPT. I was just supposed to research and compile information for him.

2. 2nd PI was actually very nice to me and we got along well. The issue was that the problem we were trying to tackle was not suited for the capabilities and experience we both had and then when I did find a promising lead I was discouraged from looking into it because it felt too technically involved. Turns out it was the right direction.

3. 3rd PI acts as if I am just an instrument in his toolbox. Completely disregards any of my input and wants to do the research himself, including coming up with all the ideas and solutions. I'm just suppose to do the actual work. And then when his ideas work out, it's all him, and when they don't it's all me. He's the worst of the 3 because he has the worst elements of both.


When I look at actually successful labs, of course I'm looking from the outside but it doesn't look like anything I am going through.

>>16776061
>I was just supposed to research and compile information for him.
>acts as if I am just an instrument in his toolbox.
Those are fine. You are the galley rower of the academia, you are supposed to be relentlessly used for the most repetitive labor until you gitgud and obtain your own minions.

>The issue was that the problem we were trying to tackle was not suited for the capabilities and experience we both had
That's up good. Pushing for something new (either for the entire field or for your collective) is good PhD foundation.
>when I did find a promising lead I was discouraged from looking into it
A common issue - PIs are often too conservative and careful when trying out new things. Depending on the details, it is possible that you could disagree with the discouragement and try anyway. Or maybe it was impossible, since it would require funding that was outside of your scope, in which case much sad@shit happens.

>wants to do the research himself, including coming up with all the ideas and solutions
>And then when his ideas work out, it's all him, and when they don't it's all me
Turbogay, extreme shitter. Take your ball and leave, nigger doesn't own you or your PhD.

>it doesn't look like anything I am going through
I don't know a single lab that existed for more than 3 years and didn't get it's own hearty serving of dirty laundry, drama or closet skeletons, and I know a lot of labs. And the funnies part is - the more successful a lab, the more drama and skeletons, they just put extra resources into PR as well. It's just how workplaces are.

But regarding PhDs and PIs, 90% of issues I ever saw are PIs just not giving students enough attention (not my own story, my PI back when was neato) and students worrying too much when they need to just do it.

>>16752864
Is tinnitus the worst condition that can happen to someone in STEM or any field that requires a high level of brain power? Once it starts, it's over for you, as you can no longer use your brain due to the constant ringing that occupies your attention.

>>16776199
just put some bach on, or some atmoblack

>>16776199
Are you aware that hearing loss and other ear conditions are associated with early onset of dementia by dozens of replicated studies?

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>>16763663
3 weeks and 3 days left. I need to write 2 more mid-sized sections, make a handful of minor adjustments, and finish formatting my thesis. I should be able to get it all done in time.

>>16767806
Thanks, I'm feeling better now, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully it's not a train.

What is the best way to fix your career after a pure math PhD? Physics MSc?

>>16752864
I am unironically an explosives chemist, making 70k in high CoL Western Europe. I hold a PhD with objectively great publications on a useless subjects. Everybody around me is a midwit bluffing to other midwits how cool their shit is We never develop any feasible products. How the hell do I spin out of this swamp of mediocrity? Am I in a dead end and just boned die to specialization? Either making bank or developing impactful products that dont murder people would both be acceptable next steps.

>>16777122
>explosives chemist
The answer is obvious: defense. I have a PhD in pure math (algebra) and somehow landed a job at Sweden's largest defense contractor.
>developing impactful products that dont murder people
It is too late for that now. Billions most explode.

>>16777129
I should have clarified, I am currently working in Defense and am experiencing the problems described in this industry: mediocre pay and colleagues, limited future prospects, frustrating bureaucracy. Is your experience different in Norway?

>>16777131
My experience is similar. However, WW3 is just getting started.

>>16777122
Isn't there a lot of money in mining and defense?

>>16777181
>mining
Yes
>defense
Depends on what you do. I make shit money at my job and I work at one of the biggest defense contractors.

>>16777195
Why don't you join the light side and become an expert in disarmament and non-proliferation as an international bureaucrat.

Since when is 70k bad for Western Europe?

>>16758297
I don't regret it , it opened quite a few doors for my career - i however regret devoting the last 6 years of my life into my job ; its been way to much and im excited to get out. One day soon , actively applying and interviewing

>>16777726
i'd say ever since you look at what that is post-tax

>>16777726
Its below average for those starting out.

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After a bachelors, a masters, and a PhD, I can confidently say I don't fucking know how anything works in biochemistry. Every protein in every pathway affects every other protein in every other pathway in every possible way and is involved in every possible disease in both positive and negative manners. Biochemistry is a complete and utter clusterfuck, it's literally incomprehensible. The more you learn, the less you know, but it still consumes all of your memory so you have no room for anything else. I don't know anything any more.

>>16778399

Chem major with some materials engineering background, very minor programming skills, currently on the hunt for working student/student assistent positions.

I have these three offers:

(1) Basic lab work at a major international semiconductor(sexy) company, just microscopy and mechanical tests on pcb boards, good pay. The company is down the shitter though, so likely no long-term perspective.

(2) Some experimental work + some data engineering/pipelining for a mid-sized national metallurgical (not that sexy) corporation, good pay and healthy company.

(3)Data analytics/simulation for some quantum(sexy) shit at some top tier national science lab, somewhat bad pay.

Which should I pick? Does (1) really give me and edge for later work in semiconductors over (2) and (3)? Two is basically the continuation of what I am doing right now but with some more higher tier tasks. (3) would be a huge pivot since I only have basic programming and theoretical chemistry knowledge but I feel like wasting an amazing chance here that however could prove to be nit that useful for industry.

I'm lost.

>>16778929
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>>16778952
Why? Your personal preference?

Am I fucked trying to get into a PhD program while having been out of school for ~3 years? I was too poor to go into postgrad stuff right away but I have been working in an organic synthesis lab this entire time so I have quite a bit of experience.

>>16774333
just say that you're trans-gender fluid but prefer to be male
[ eqn ] |\rangle = \frac{2}{\sqrt{2}} | \rangle + \frac{0}{\sqrt{2}} | \rangle [ /eqn ] of the time

>>16779119
You'll be fine. I know someone who did a masters, then worked as a scientist for a few years, then came back to do a PhD. If anything it'll may make you a more appealing candidate to supervisors.

>>16778929
>good pay
1 or 2

>>16778399
anon??????? you're not supposed to memorize every pathway? There are more than 650,000+ protein interactions and thats a miniscule fraction of true amount??????? Most people will just search up a database or use a ML prediction model????

After master degree in physics i got a job as Dev in National Lab almost 2 years (im europoor), now i got an interesting PhD offer in ML+Physics in another country less shithole than mine but It s in the capital so considering the pay less quality of life maybe.
What should i do?

How necessary is research experience if I want to get an electrical engineering PhD and I currently go to community college? Could I get by with lab experience at a construction/materials testing lab, or is the research portion necessary? Also, has anybody here joined a federal work-study program? Is that sort of thing worth the time investment?

>>16782000
>I want to get an electrical engineering PhD
why? it'd be a lot easier and you'd get paid a lot more if you went straight into industry after getting your BSc.
you could always do a masters/PhD later down the line and your employer would probably pay for it

>>16781037
>Physics
>ML+Physics
>National Lab
This is literally me.

I know this field very well. I would advice you to avoid ML+Physics.
Lots of these research directions are fundamentally flawed and for the most part a case of physicists not understanding the technology they are working with.
Even if you don't care that you will be peddling fundamentally flawed research, it is not good for your long term career.

If you're already working at an HPC center, try to pivot to pure ML instead.
CV, LLMs, Robotics are all lucrative. LLM is pretty hard to get into, but CV and Robotics are accessible.

>be me
>working a pretty dull RSE in Yuropoor country
>find really cool project on github
>contact developers
>all of them are 50-60 year old profs at top US unis (MIT and others)
>could contribute to project, but it will be completely unpaid
>not even sure about citations, because my boss would get mad at me if I were randomly cited in papers he has know knowledge of

worth it or not?
my worry is that it's completely unpaid and it's a lot of work and I already have a full time job
also, not sure if I will be able to convert the experience into something useful later on
but then again these people are top notch and I would learn a lot from them, far more than I'm learning at my job

>>16782124
Brother…

> most part a case of physicists not understanding the technology they are working with

Could you care to elaborate a bit more on why ML+Physics is such a dead end? Always felt like the hype train was mostly physicists duct-taping ML to their problems.

For context: I’m working at an HPC center, mostly on physics simulations. Recently started tinkering with a custom RAG setup too. The real issue is that the place has zero research output i m scared of feel a career graveyard.
Any pointers on how to pivot cleanly? You mentioned CV and Robotics being accessible — any particular route someone coming from HPC+physics background should take?
Appreciate your take brother.

>>16782035
I want to do research, plus it'd be nice to experience academia at some point in my life. I know that's idiotic, but still. Are there BSc-level industry jobs with a lot of R&D? I don't mind working on missiles if that's what it takes.

>>16782169
>Could you care to elaborate a bit more on why ML+Physics is such a dead end? Always felt like the hype train was mostly physicists duct-taping ML to their problems.

Because fundamentally nobody has solved the problem of generalization in ML.
Every single publication on the subject is the same shit:
>train model on simulation data
>model performs well enough to replicate simulation
>model fails to generalize
>in discussion wave off this issue as something to be worked on later
I unfortunately got trapped in this field and it sucks.

>For context: I’m working at an HPC center, mostly on physics simulations. Recently started tinkering with a custom RAG setup too. The real issue is that the place has zero research output i m scared of feel a career graveyard.

Dude, I'm in Germany and I have exactly, 100%, the same problem.
I can almost guess that you're either Italian or Spanish and you got an offer from Germany. Am I right?

>Any pointers on how to pivot cleanly? You mentioned CV and Robotics being accessible — any particular route someone coming from HPC+physics background should take?

While you still have a job at an HPC center, work on your HPC and ML skillset: C++, CUDA, MPI, PyTorch.
Then read some CV papers and implement a few of the latest models.
CV is a really good ML research field because the models are still small enough that academic labs are competitive and it's easy to be creative and publish papers fast, which is critical (btw, another problem with ML+Physics is that papers/experiments take years and most work is not suitable for ML conferences).
Then apply again but aim for pure ML research groups.

>>16782124
>for the most part a case of physicists not understanding the technology they are working with
Anon that's everyone everywhere.

>>16782244
>Every single publication on the subject is the same shit

Exactly what I was afraid of. You basically confirmed my worst suspicion about the field — hype stacked on duct tape with no real way forward.

And you almost nailed it about me — not Germany, but I did take an offer abroad, from France. So pretty damn close.

Thanks a ton for the advice, really. I wanted to ask though: in your view, does it still make sense to do a PhD? My worry is that without one it’s hard to build proper credentials, especially since I’m not working directly on CV yet. Or do you think it’s better to just skill up on my own and pivot straight into pure ML groups/jobs?

>>16772172
>>16752864
I got an offer for one of these vacancies and declined it because the contract is horrendeous. Basically unacceptable if you have any notion of developing intellectual property at any time of your life. Also, the liability clause is so crazy that is likely unenforceable but they force US jurisdiction so who knows.

TL;DR Got Mercor contract checked by senior IP lawyer (family friend), basically makes your brain their slave forever. Stay safe out there.

>>16782318
Experience = Connections > Publications > PhD in terms of importance for career progression.
And a PhD in a bad field is a crutch so don't do that.
In general in Europe for HPC/ML there is little besides publicly funded labs so you might as well do a PhD if the opportunity arises.
But for example, I am doing a PhD in this ML+Physics crap, and if I could switch to simple research engineer position where I work on CV or LLM or Robotics, I would do it instantly.
As it stands my job prospects are pretty poor. The only realistic option is to continue as a post-doc in this crap field but I would rather go on unemployment than do that.

Just bombed an interview for a NASA-tier internship. It has never been more over.

Physics PhD here
my supercontinuum laser just died
I'm about to kill myself over the downright malevolent code I have to deal with for the camera I use

>>16782462
How so? Paint me a word picture

Workplace is filled with incompetence at every level.

I'm a somewhat experienced researcher, hired to a low level researcher job with shit pay. Basically had to shepherd senior engineers from day one. Can't really do it since I'm not their boss, but actual bosses don't whip them in line and don't have an understanding of the project. Somehow I end up doing everything from bitch work to my actual job to high level scoping and timeline shit.

I came here with interest in two specific projects which seemed promising. One of them was more established and a research type project, but was beyond recovery by the time I started, because we couldn't deliver quality results. My involvement was telling the people in the project that their data from the last few years is wrong and explaining why it's wrong. Around that time the client had also realized this and it was too late.

The other one was a new frontier for the company in building a thing. It is four months overdue and about to die because we can't deliver the thing we set out to build. It's not hard and we had a year to do it. The engineers just did not do their job and continue to not do their job. Management did not react to huge delays and schedule overruns until minutes past midnight and even then never made a plan. Literally the only parts of the schedule that held were the parts assigned to me.

It's extremely demotivating. I've been here a year and I once this project is properly dead or delivered I want to quit. Good performance reviews but no talk of raises or promotions so what is the point. Don't know if I can even tolerate this long enough to apply for another job beforehand. Just feels like my career is now down the drain and that's about all my life has contained for a while.

>>16782595
how did you end up in such a low position if you are experienced?
I have similiar issues, mostly because I burned bridges when leaving older jobs.

>>16782680
Combination of things. Mainly that my experience was in academia and I switched to industry. At the time thought this would mean I'd learn from the ground up and was willing to do so because the work seemed interesting and a good entry point. However it didn't really go like that. I'd genuinely like to learn from people who are better, but here it only happens through me banging my head against the wall alone.

Also moved back to my hometown for various personal reasons. Lots of things had piled up over the years and I was burned out. Small-ish town and niche job = had to take what I could get. Didn't really apply very broadly or actively either. Combination of "not academia", "something relevant to my experience" and "this particular town" basically yielded one result, which I applied for and got.

>>16782680
>>16782715
How did you burn bridges by the way? I have a habit of doing that as well. Probably should avoid it this time but it's hard when quitting at one year.

>>16782197
>Are there BSc-level industry jobs with a lot of R&D?
none that i know of. if you're really dead set on research, academia is probably the place to go.
as an undergrad, you're best off finding a professor that's doing research on something you're interested in and then getting in touch to see if there's anywhere that you can help out with.
even if it's not research per se, just lab work, it can still expose you to academia and open up doors later down the line, since you'll already have a professor who knows you and can vouch for you. plus it'll let you scope them out and bail to another PI/industry if they turn out to be a nightmare to work for

>>16761607
Don't you only have to stay for a year afterwards? How long did the MS take you

>>16782719
well it was a bit of a catch-22 because I felt trapped in a field I didn't want to be in, so I left, but then I had no letters of recommendation because my only referees were the people that had offered me that previous position

>>16783071
Two years after the last semester to not pay anything back. It'll take me until 2027 to complete it.

I have a Jordanian friend who told me it only took a few months for him and his classmates to find jobs after finishing their bachelors'. Is the market really that much better outside of the US?

>>16758297
yes i love it

>>16767847
power electronics, the most based field

>>16783581
conveniently left out the salary

I finally got a job. Radioisotope production. The location is less than ideal but everything else about it is pretty good. After four months of post-graduation unemployment, I am almost looking forward to the horrors of the working world.

>>16752885
>dude just respec from engineering into physics and chem
1. Most engineers are too dumb for physics and several chem fields.
2. The smart ones will not financially benefit from going to fucking physics out of an engineering field, you absolute dolt.

>>16768030
well what do you want him to do, study something that isn't interesting or adjacent to an industry he's into just because of trends? Besides, EE is much different than the 2020 CS craze. Nobody is handing out E&M bootcamps to anyone with a pulse and some cash.

is it possible to become an electrical engineer as an amazon warehouse wageslave with a hs diploma who was a neet from.age 15 - 21

should i apply to community college? also i dont care about working in some sexy field, RF sounds cool, i like analog electronics and electrical systems and wouldnt even mind gettin my hands dirty and doin physical work like an electrician.

>>16784102
no. EE is the new CS. Every jeet has a MSEE.

>>16772384
I didn't graduate and start my career until I was 32, you'll be just fine.

>>16784236
But with ABET accreditation?

How does photonics engineering's job outlook compare to EE? Are there a lot of optics-related jobs in the national labs?

>>16784102
>should i apply to community college?
If it's ABET accredited sure.
>i like analog electronics and electrical systems and wouldnt even mind gettin my hands dirty and doin physical work like an electrician.
You could always be a EET as well, that's what they do.

desperate 31 year old entrepreneur (NEET with a few properties) here
which engineering degree should I go for in these trying times? preferably something practical, working for others like a cuck is never ideal.
I'm paying partly just to get good college girl pussy but I'd love to get some actual knowledge and long term status from the experience too.

>>16784472
is it ok to do a transfer program i cant afford or really do a full 4 years

t. 26 year old loser studying at a community college to do cheap early credits.

>>16784617
Do some research on your local community college and see what will transfer. Typically general reqs are transferable and people do that all the time to save money on the weenie classes that don't matter, (English, History, etc). Employers won't give a shit about that. Hell depending on where you try to get an engineering job, they don't even give a fuck if you have an engineering degree let alone an ABET accredited one. Defense Contractors are notorious for this due to their high attrition rates. I've seen business majors in engineering jobs, calling themselves engineers, and doing a piss poor job and getting paid for it. Though with that in mind that's probably because of nepotism.

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>Entry level work pays less than animal control
>Associate level work pays almost exactly the same as animal control
>Senior/management level work probably the same as their animal control counterparts

>>16783630
I can always move back once I tick the experience boxes.

>>16785267
>technician
Techs = / = Engineers.

I am getting ready to submit my first paper to a journal and had a question about formatting. Is it normal to readjust the formatting to match the journal's template, or can you just send in your paper as is with a generic template?

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im not smart enough and its aggravating

>>16785418
The journal have jeets that will fix the formatting

anyone get an MBA?
currently a biotech engineer and I was admitted to a T20 MBA program
looking forward to doing less intense work, making more money and making far reaching decisions about people who have infinitely more impact than I will

>>16760733
>refuse to help new engineer that you hired
>belittle them for knowing less than you
>criticize their ability to prioritize (that's literally the manager's job)
>destroy their confidence only 2 months in
your boss is a dick head
>>16760767
this guy's right you need to fight back
poke holes in what he says and match his tone

>>16785323
Oh but they most certainly are. Unless you're getting poached by a fortune 500 company right out of school, and for that you're either sitting on an advanced degree or went to one of the top 10 colleges for your field (and shmoozed while there), there's a good chance you'll be doing tech work for the first decade or so of your career. Chances that you'll be hopping into that advanced R&D position that your professor used to do are fairly slim.

Yurop here. I'm about to finish my PhD but I have very limited interest in continuing in academia. I could try jumping to some company by shilling my coding, math and physics skills, but I have no connections and would have to just send applications to random places. The economy's not great either, and I think I'd prefer staying in my country, and both of these facts limit my options.

Another option I've been considering is trying to get a job translating a certain foreign language either into my native language or English. I have no relevant degree for this, but I do have a high level certificate of proficiency in said language, and I can demonstrate my skills by providing sample translations of technically demanding text. I'm also an adept writer in both my native language and English. Based on this, is there a chance I could get hired by a translation agency? What would you do in my situation?

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Finally.. after 4 months of looking I got a job as a specialist at arguably the most juiced research group in my faculty (defense/fed/private funding) with only a bachelor's. They even are ok to back me for an electrical engineering masters down the line as that's basically what I do anyway. It's crazy that this job pays more and on curve w industry in my city (NA).

I had a job as a research assistant during my studies but this is my first real job w a PI. Position is unionized for some reason but that sounds great given the benefits. What should I expect? What advice do anons have for working in academic institutions without actively studying?

>>16786758
>I have no connections and would have to just send applications to random places
It's ogre.

>What would you do in my situation?
Gay prostitution.

>>16786758
>translating
Doesn't pay in the AI era so don't even try. Any real translating jobs will demand a relevant degree even if you are fully fluent and bi/trilingual.

Did you get to meet any lab heads at conferences or failing that, does your supervisor have any connections?

>>16786991
>research
>well paid
>with only a bachelor's
>unionized(?)
wtf, what kind of job is that even? a technician role?

>>16787097
>Doesn't pay in the AI era
The pay was never high and AI translations are still shit so you can't rely on them.

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>>16787847
As I mentioned the role is a "specialist" position but my official HR title is still a research associate. Honestly if I say much about the job I'll dox myself because it's incredibly niche as they needed a chad who knows physics and hunts/in remote outdoors often to set up and develop hyper remote equipment. As for the pay, when shitranjeets take most of the EE / CS jobs for 40% paycuts academia becomes hyper competitive for normal white people.

Gonna quit my shitty out of university "R&D technician" job at a small company today. Faggots wanted me to be a biologist, shop supervisor, mathematician, developer and engineer which I did happily until they denied me equity as I'm single handedly carrying their IP on my back. I hope the millennial tech grifting DINKs that run it go under. I highly discourage anons from working for small outfits without equity or IP protection.

>>16753160
Awesome! Thanks for your efforts

hello palantirsisters! i'm currently in math undergrad and want to work in stats and have applied to a stats masters, but the field is full of datascience indians and I don't really know how to break into the field quickly, in the meantime I thought i should take up a job as a regular dev while I acquire programming skills (also because it's easier to get a job in webdev than in data science). Is this a good idea or am i stupid? should i do a react + TS bootcamp while i get a leetcode python certificate or what?

>>16778399
Looks like your PhD should have been in cheminformatics. All theoretical science fields converge to machine learning.

I just started my earth science module and there's almost no math in it whatsoever, I hope I can do something more mathematically complicated postrad like hydrogeology or geophysics because this is making me feel like a retard.

>be me
>physics and math student
>mediocre grades but have a very solid understanding of my field of research
>show the slightest bit of interest during class, engage with the prof, ask questions
>have a unique look also that tends to draw eyes toward me
>by a long shot have the best relationships with faculty out of anyone in my major
how do I take advantage of this, anons?

>>16752864

What do I do if the topic of my PhD and my whole academic career in general is something I no longer believe in?

I think they are peddling a flawed idea.
But the establishment science has not caught up to it yet because the demos look good so it is easy to sell. And only those who work in the field know the limitations.

I hate it because I cannot even talk frankly with my colleagues because they consider it a personal attack or are fully in denial.

Also I feel like I am sabotaging myself because I could just play the game and publish at top conferences. But I feel like such a fraud publishing shit that I do not believe in.

I kind of tried to focus more on the tooling and methods rather than the core research to at least pretend like I am not accessory to the fraud. I'm just sort of making the tooling more efficient.

God why is sciencing so complicated?

>>16788975
>What do I do if the topic of my PhD and my whole academic career in general is something I no longer believe in?
You got filtered. That is alright, that's the main purpose of PhD - filtering prospective researchers. Not by their intelligence or talent, but by whether they can do a basic bitch entry-level project without having a melty.

>I think they are peddling a flawed idea.
Everyone is peddling flawed ideas. You are a legitimate retard if you think you're the only smartypants boy who doesn't.

>And only those who work in the field know the limitations.
Are they deliberately hiding them from the published material, altering the published values or datasets, or modify the methodology in a way that is not disclosed in a later publication? Then it is fraud. Are the limitations given in plain text, but nobody outside the field ever bothers to read them? That's the norm, the standard, the typical situation, the expected, all systems nominal.

>But the establishment science has not caught up to it yet
That has no bearing on your PhD. If you know some cool shit, you can finish your PhD and then use this knowledge to get ahead as an adult, mature researcher.

>I cannot even talk frankly with my colleagues because they consider it a personal attack or are fully in denial.
Many people are like that, but if everyone is like that then you're either full of shit or in an absolute hellhole of a collective.

>God why is sciencing so complicated?
It's not that complicated, really.

I've finished my doctorate in Harmonic Analysis, am sick of academia, but feel like I have no employable skills. What do?

>>16789017
Lol, glad I avoided that future. That was a path open to me.
The fuck is one supposed to do with Harmonic Analysis?
IDK, if I was in your shoes, I'd maybe look at very low-tier tertiary education institutes and try to get a comfy academic post. But you have to be willing to relocate to non-attractive locations.

>>16789017
I mean it's harmonic oscillators all the way down as far as I'm concerned so why not look into structural engineering / acoustic engineering etc. jobs? I'm sure material harmonic resonance and other mechanical engineering adjacent things would hire you. Unless I'm grossly misunderstanding your expertise.

>>16789017
Thats why God invented defense contractors.

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whats even the point in applying. nothing is coming back. they don't even say why. most of the time they don't even respond.

>>16789176
If nothing matters post resume

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>bunch of engineers in my department have left in the past year
>30% attrition or so
>everyone is leaving for better pay conditions
>people have been bitching for better pay for at least 2 years
>those who haven't left have been actively looking, including myself
Is this an inevitable event? A year or two before I hired on this already happened. Surely they must know that training up an employee costs a shit ton in comparison of just giving raises?

>>16788975
I just attended a seminar led by a postdoc who clearly did not feel any passion towards his work. My PI clearly wants to change his research direction because he realized he was wasting his time. Things change and people get bored of shit, but you're fortunate enough to be in a position where finding something else is relatively easy.

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Should I say fuck it and spend 2 more years in college to get a Mechanical Engineering degree?

I'm on my last semester in my zoology degree and i'm already nervous about the prospect of getting any actual employment and I am eyeing the idea of immediately reapplying to my Uni for a ME degree

Here are several reasons why I think it might be worthwhile:

>have enough credits in math, physics, coding, and chemistry that I would be entering the degree with 4 semesters out of the way, meaning I could graduate in 2 years
>JUST received 36 months of chapter 35 from my father which would turn my each semester's tuition cost down to around $3.5K
>Parents are coincidentally moving close to my Uni and are cool with me staying with them until I graduate
>Am fairly skilled in math. Granted it's been like 3 years since I had a math class so I would have to independently build back up my math skills but I've proven myself before
>Have a passion for 3D modeling

>>16789902
Forgot to add two things

Firstly, my 36 months of chapter 35 do not last forever. I have until I turn 31 to use it all. I am almost 25 so I still have time but this would be a decision I have to make soon

Secondly, the Mechanical Engineering advisor said I already have all the pre-credits needed to enter the college of engineering and that I would have little difficulty getting accepted into re-enrollment

Why do I always end up in the most mediocre-tier cities?
I fucking hate this life.
Literally every single time I have to move for my next gig, it's some sovlless city with 75:25 ratio of men to women in age bracket 20 to 40.
Fuck this shit. I am so sick of living around the same type of white nerd and his Indian cousin.
What a shit life.

Anons i need your guidance.
I'm in a shitty tier comp sci open university with next to none real life connections with the professors. Last year, I contacted the only cryptography focused professor of the faculty and proposed a thesis subject to complete my degree. The professor showed interest and accepted to be my supervisor. During the last academic year he
> didn't give me any guidance
> did not respond most of my texts/emails/calls
I was essentially in the dark and followed my instincts trying to make a good job. I was trying to complete a thesis on a subject I was very interested in but had absolutely no idea how it worked (zk proofs), completely on my own. We had two overall zoom calls over the last year, in the second of which I sent him the full thesis (he already had access to the github repo but he seemed unbothered to even check it). This was 2 weeks ago.
He has not been responding to my texts, calls or emails (actually he have never responded to any of my emails) ever since.
I have no idea how to proceed, given that the thesis is fundamentally some ramblings of a 4th year student (since I've never received any feedback) and my main point of contact with the faculty is lost. To make things worse, I had to present the thesis in the beginning of September per faculty's policies,
and this is long time due.
Should I just say fuck all and escalate to the head of the department?
> why didn't you escalate sooner?
because I'm an idiot

>tldr
Incompetent professor doesn't return my calls and my bachelor thesis presentation is long time due.

>>16789902
>>16789906
If you can afford it do it. I'll caution that any type of engineering degree in the classical three are an exercise in determination. It's a grind even if you're good at math.

>>16790107
Contact the person who is supposed to be your program advisor or the person who is in charge of graduation.

I'm really sorry you're going through this. It sucks when a kid is interested in the topic, but the Prof is a lazy bum who doesn't give shit.

how do I get better at writing technical reports?

I'm interested in going into research. I'm not sure exactly which path, though. I'm interested in the social sciences, anthropology, linguistics, and ecology most. However, I really honestly just like to learn and could see myself being happy doing almost any type of research. I'm just really attracted to the idea of collecting data, writing scientific articles, and both learning more about a field and contributing towards it.
However, I know research pays like shit and has very little job security. Are there any pathways I could take that would allow me to pursue a career in research, but give me the skills and qualifications to have a solid backup career? Both if I decided before finishing grad school that that path wasn't for me, and if I ended up finishing grad school but struggled to find a job in research. For example, I was thinking if I pursued a degree in Forest Science or Ecology, worst case scenario if academia doesn't work out I could just become a forester or work in conservation.
Also, I do have some knowledge of programming languages, and wouldn't mind learning more and combining programming with research in my chosen field, if possible.

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>>16790107
>Bachelor thesis presentation
l m a o
>>16791052
Wishy-washy loser who's into non STEM fields. How about you talk to your father about how he made the choice to be what he is / figure it out yourself.

>>16791052
Maybe look into smaller universities that still get a good amount of research funding, or completely whore yourself out for money with research projects about identity politics. Never ever pay to do a PhD. Becoming a researcher is pretty tough now in any field, universities are quickly becoming nothing more than diploma mills and daycares for rich kids

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>>16791052
>I'm interested in the social sciences, anthropology, linguistics, and ecology most.
None of that is STEM and the only viable choice is probably ecology.

>>16791052
>I'm interested in the social sciences, anthropology, linguistics, and ecology most.
Sounds like degrees in advanced unemployability. Reality is that the invention of the blue LED did more for the environment than all the grand speeches delived by NGO membres that travelled by chartered jets on the taxpayers dime.
Try a PhD in EE or Physics with focus on solid state and semiconductors, for a career in academia with very good fallback positions in industry. Job security is solid.
You will need some programming skills in real sciences. These days Python is a common tool for getting the job done.

>>16791386
>Try a PhD in EE or Physics with focus on solid state and semiconductors, for a career in academia with very good fallback positions in industry.
I can vouch for this, I'm about to start a PhD in EE paid for by a semiconductor company. I still think the guy should pursue the fields he's interested in. Non-STEM research can still provide value to society even if it's not profitable. Universities are in too dire a state to fund research in those fields unfortunately

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I feel terrible about my job and life in general. How do I regain some joy and hope for the future?

>>16792014
I've been unsuccessful in finding a job for many months now. In the meantime, I've been project maxing. Just doing what ever project I'm most interested in.

>>16792031
what kind of projects?

>>16792014
>How do I regain some joy and hope for the future?
Find a good hobby while finding a new job. Personally I'm in that toilet bowl myself and I've been pursuing a Master's degree in engineering and challenging myself that way because my job is boring as fuck.

>>16792033
programming, deving games. 3d printing

>>16792014
Do NOT get a faang internship it's horrible

>Britain’s zombie universities should put Schumpeter on the syllabus
https://archive.is/3kpSn
>Now British banks are growing restive, demanding universities cut costs and — in some cases — deliver up campus buildings as collateral. Hold the hand wringing. Universities, although they hold charity status, embarked on a more market-driven track in the late 1990s. Those in England hold more than £13bn of debt. Lenders are right to drop the kid gloves.
That will be painful.