There's a dark dystopian truth about psychiatry.
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secondary (side) effects? LOLmore like a primary side effect since — sexual dysfunction happens 100% of the time under antipsychotics (all of them)Low libido (reduced sexual desire)Erectile dysfunction in menDifficulty reaching orgasm in men and womenMenstrual irregularities in women (due to elevated prolactin)Breast enlargement or milk production (both sexes, with some drugs)This happens mostly because antipsychotics often raise prolactin and also interfere with dopamine pathways that affect sexual function.Movement problems: stiffness, tremor, restlessness, involuntary movements.Metabolic issues: weight gain, diabetes, high cholesterol.Hormonal changes: high prolactin sexual/menstrual problems, breast changes.Sedation & cognitive dulling: drowsiness, emotional blunting.Heart effects: low blood pressure, irregular rhythms.Other: dry mouth, constipation, blurred vision.Rare but serious: Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome, low white blood cells (clozapine).
>>16758886>anti-psychoticsdon't they give people diabetes?
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>>16759164in large numbers. It is one of the high results of anti-psychotics. They even know that. But they say that it's worth it given the other advantage (voices in the head are less active, hallucinations are partially disected)
>>16758886I was prescribed the antipsychotic olanzapine by a psychiatrist to treat my anxiety before. Never took it once I read it is literally what they give patients in the psych ward to sedate them.
>>16759165why would it be a bot? I've been working on this for a long time. I have been in psychiatry for nearly 20 years.And I've noticed psychiatry has a problem of understanding anti-psychotics. Not the other psychotropic medication such as Ativan and Ritalin and anti-depressants. But very specifically: anti-psychotics.
>>16759174Oh, so you're a professional schizo.
>>16759173you are lucky to not enter the psychiatric loophole. If so, they'll never let you get out of it.On a side note, I recommend you to not do drugs, including marijuana. It is not going to help your case.
>>16759174Being a porter at a mental health hospital doesn't count
>>16759176hell naw. I'm just giving my 2 cents. Either way it's not their fault. Psychiatry is the only field in medicine that is not finished science. It's still a mystery. This might, may, give an insight from a laboratory rat subject.
>>16759179it's not about empathy. It's about the precision of the science. A psychiatrist never took anti-psychotics for 3 months in a row in their entire life. They are theoretically experts of the matter. It's like an expert in alcohol who never took a sip of vodka in their lives and claiming to be the expert in alcohol.It works for a surgeon. They don't need to have a surgery on themselves ever. Or ever produce surgery themselves on themselves, to be acurate science.What I'm claiming is quite bold. I am claiming complete slippery slope fallacy of their understanding of Antipsychotics.
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I saw a really interesting interview related to this a couple years ago, I can see from my history that the title was "Paranoid Schizophrenia is a spiritual malady and its cure requires a spiritual battle not drugs" but youtube removed it unsurprisingly. I can't remember the guy's name but he was a psychiatrist who worked with schizophrenics particularly in prisons, and basically he claimed that many or most of his patients were being assailed by demons, and that anti-psychotics had no effect other than numbing their brain, and that only reading the bible and praying had any positive effect on them.
>>16759727call it whatever you want, anti-psychotics DO stop hallucinations and stop the voices in most casest. I've actually experiencedI've heard retards claim it's aliens, demons, spirits, whatever, I don't fucking care, and worse yet, they don't have a clue what they're talking about to begin with
>>16759740the drugs stop the hallucinations in the same sense that chemotherapy kills cancer
>>16758886Oh it's my time to shine.Certified schizo, twice incarcerated, first time was by force.Initially like all schizos I didn't want to take my meds.Then one day my shrink (absolutely stellar doctor) told me the phrase that changed my lifeI was ranting about the meds and side-effects and how I should be revered like a shaman etc etcand he told me>Ok let's agree everything you tell me is true.>Do you actually prefer life with the meds or without them?And then it clicked.I'd rather be medicated than the alternative.I enjoyed life more medicated and that's all that matters.PS: Of course after that realization I started meth again, but now I did meth while medicated and completely fucked up the meds and they don't work no more.
>>16759743cool asspull, faggot
>>16759190Inmates already run the asylum.
noyou want psychosisreality is just Plato's bullshit cultit's nonsense
>>16759727No doubt. Religious discipline can help a lot. It helps the mind to focus one thing. Usually those religious fanatics might have some sort of mental illness. It enhances the feelings and the "proof" the get via voices and hallucinations that confirm their faith.Indeed, the big pharma mafia is in the hundred billion dollars industry so they tend to not care about the truth. Even if they torment patients against their will.I'm not surprised they deleted that youtube documentary.>>16759740No dumbass. I've been in psychiatry for 15 years. On and off meds. You're a liar if you say meds stop hallucinations and delirious ideas. I can't make any clearer than the entire presentation above.EVERY single patient lies. They are sedated and damaged, so they'll not be sincere. Healthy and psychotic thoughts alike are dampened. The patient lies, because they don't want the psychiatrist to up their dosage and also because they wanna be released from psych ward.
>>16759744No you fucking idiot, it's not our time to shine. Fucking crackhead piece of shit. You're not even honest. If you were sincere, you'd be more experienced than me to explain the images above.That methamphetamine doesn't do the full effect of it under Antipsychotics. Nor the marijuana, neither the alcohol. Because 80% of D2 receptors are blocked, so only the remaining 20% are affected by the dopamine. It doesn't matter if meth increases the levels of dopamine if 80% of D2 receptors are block. It won't matter even if you take fentanyl.You dumb cretin.You succumbed to that psychiatrist because you're an absolute moron. The correct answer would've been Intermittent Treatment. You take meds for 3 months, and go 6 months without it. Eventually the brain gets tired of the torture and recalibrates itself to no longer produce extra dopamine. After a while it regulates itself to produce the right amount of dopamine.But I'm responding to an absolute useless piece of shit. Even if you'd be cured right this very second, you'd still toss it all in the garbage bin, by doing crack.Useless piece of shit, waste of oxygen.
>>16759784To be honest, at this point it doesn't even matter who wants to stagnate in the mental illness or not. Some people are medicated against their will because of being considered a threat to society. Others are medicated against their will, because the psychiatrist thinks the desire to not take Antipsychotics is actually a symptom of the illness itself.I've seen hundreds of patients locked against their will, and released only when they accepted to comply to psychiatrist orders (Antipsychotics).If I forced you to stop drugs, it could , low key, be considered a noble act. But if forced you to take Antipsychotics, it will undeniably be considered an act of torture.It is purely an act of torture.
>>16759747that's not what that word means
>>16759740you are a liar. I've been under anti-psychotics for 15 years, on and off. Psychosis does not disappear.The conscience is toned down. The interest for psychosis is still there. The ideas are still there. The good thoughts are as weak as the psychotic thoughts.But because you are weak and suffering like a mental breakdown, you tell your psychiatrist that you are fine.
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>>16759991>Even if you'd be cured right this very second, you'd still toss it all in the garbage bin, by doing crack.Of course I would.Who says I wanted to be cured?There's no cure, schizophrenia is the next step to evolution.It took me decades to unleash my schizo powers, you'd think I'd toss it into the bin?Meds are useful because if you bite more than you can chew (like I did) they will give you time to adjust.But the real "cure" is spiritual.1. Realizing that the hallucinations are not real, that's the hardest part.Deep down every schizo believes what he is experiences is real in some form.But it's not.It's the subconscious filled with Jungian archetypes.It's easy to say it, but fully believing it is hard.2. Learning from the subconscious.I'd advise you to read some Jung. That's what I am doing right now and he explains what is happening amazingly well and how to apply it to improve yourself. He focuses on dreams, but he himself abused drugs for a period to come closer to the subconscious like a schizo does.
>>16759991>>16760406Forgot to mention the real first step, cause I took it for granted, because I have accomplished it.But its not easy and beyond most schizos.The real first step is becoming normal. At least in appearance.Applying yourself and dominating the schizophrenia through sheer willpower.I realize this is not easy, but it's possible if you try hard enough.I mean come on, between us, you know what you should and shouldn't say, and what you should or shouldn't do.You know that "if I say X thing or do Y thing, the normies will freak out".It's just a matter of applying yourself to this knowledge.You have nothing to gain by revealing your powerlevel to normies and everything to lose.
>>16760406>Meds are useful because if you bite more than you can chew (like I did) they will give you time to adjust.And on the other hand, drugs are the opposite.If meds have dulled your senses too much, drugs will fan the flames.
pro-tip: these retards have 0 clue what they're talking about or worse, they're lying or shillingt. actual schizo that managed to turn his life around
>>16760411this is good insight and accurate
>>16760416one of the ways to turn your life around does not include anti-psychotics permanent treatment.It has to to do at least with intermittent treatment. AS in, you take it for a few weeks then stop. If relapse, you take anti-psychotics again for a few weeks then stop. Do that for a decade and you'll be fine. Usually the ideas become boring and less addictive. Your brain begins to stop messing around with dopamine overproduction. You need to be tormented by the anti-psychotics on and off though. Eventually, after seeing both perspectives, the brain loses interest in being high naturally from overproducing dopamine.
If someone tells a psychiatrist they want to kill abortionists in a abortion clinic they will be involuntarily hospitalized.If someone tells a psychiatrist they want to kill slaughterhouse workers in a slaughterhouse they will be involuntarily hospitalized.If thin person tells a psychiatrist they haven't eaten in a few weeks and have no plans to eat again for the next few months they will be involuntarily hospitalized. If a pregnant woman tells a psychiatrist she is about to go to an abortion clinic or take an abortion pill at home and abort her baby she will not be involuntarily hospitalized. This is true in all fifty states. If a slaughterhouse worker tells a psychiatrist he is about to go to work and slaughter some cows he will not be involuntarily hospitalized. If a abortionist tells a psychiatrist he's about to go to work and perform some abortions he will not be involuntarily hospitalized.
>>16759740they give antipsychotics even if you dont voices or hallucinations, stop lying cunt, its all overdiagnosed and overprescribed for profit, even to kids
>>16760586if lgbt doctor wants to cut kid dick off because kid thinks hes different gender, doctor won't be involuntarily hospitalized. the kid won't be involuntarily hospitalized.if a politician wants to replace native population with foreign people and give them free money, he wont be involuntarily hospitalized.
>>16758886Yep. It is jewish through and through.https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2c1w79
>>16760665Now look at Jung, Freud's best student and the greatest psychologist.He is the exact opposite.He applies his methods to himself and even starts abusing drugs to better understand the subconscious.
>>16760669>Jung, Freud's best studentSo they like to say, but he wasn't his student.
Apagar voices
>>16758886give me solution for adhd
>>16759727His name is Jerry Marzinsky
>>16761035I never had ADHD, nor did I take Ritalin or Adderall. But my understanding is that all the psychotropics are ok, EXCEPT anti-psychotics.I do not know how it feels to constantly lose concentration and unfocus. The idea was psychiatric liberty rather than oppression.1. Medical TreatmentsStimulant medications (e.g., methylphenidate/Ritalin, amphetamines/Adderall)These are the most common and effective treatments. They help improve focus, reduce impulsivity, and increase task completion.Non-stimulant medications (e.g., atomoxetine/Strattera, guanfacine, clonidine)Used if stimulants aren’t tolerated or effective.Antidepressants (sometimes prescribed off-label) if ADHD is linked with mood symptoms.
amphetamines are all really bad if you overdo them, especially if you had symptoms associated with ADHD before that alreadyespecially meth completely fucks with episodic memory formation and recall over time, and any tendency towards apophenia can easily amplify into delusions or psychosisthat's also why PEAs in general are so fun but even worse; taking 2c-b and 4MMC for multiple days and doing lots of ketamine to come down absolutely gave me brain damagei still smoke weed because im retarded
>>16761035Touch grass and develop better lifestyle and self-analysis habits.
>>16761104>classic for the next decadeOh no no no my semiotics can't make sense of what they think "classic" means. Not only is it not old, but it's also not popular for a long time, so they're trying to say that they won't think.
>>16764724I agree that it's suboptimal wording but it's not incorrect usage:https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/classic
>>16764738The dictionary rarely helps. Words ultimately refer to things and most of the implications are wrong. Evaporated milk refers to the milk that didn't evaporate, so my milk process flowsheet has a box that separates milk into evaporated milk and "evaporated" milk and we literally can't communicate now that every word means it's opposite.
>>16761059oh yeah you're right, thank youhere's his channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@engineeringmentalsanity-je774
>>16758886a deep dark truth
>>16760417these are fucking awesomeschizo memes best memes
>>16758886Take your damn meds schizo
>>16760586Psychiatrists intervene only when a person poses imminent unlawful danger or self-harm.Threats to kill workers are criminal violence, and that is why hospitalization is triggered.Refusin g to eat for weeks is self-destructive behavior, so medical intervention can follow.A pregnant woman seeking abortion is not classified as self-harm under psychiatric law.Abortion providers and slaughterhouse workers are performing legal jobs, not violence.Civil commitment is based on law and medicine together, not private moral convictions.The comparisons ignore psychiatrys actual role, which is to prevent imminent concrete risk.These are not contradictions but reflections of how law and psychiatry define real danger.
Rate my stack:ClomipramineLamotrigine MirtazapineQuetiapinePregabalinLisdexamphetamine + Dexamphetamine ClonidinePropranololViagra
>>16768874take haldol nigga ive been off or 2 yers and im fine now some indian was using mt power against me at a country club
>>16769514>haldolliteral neurotoxic poison
>>16759744Assuming everything (including the shamanistic stuff) was true, society would have a place for someone like you or me. It doesn't. We're medicated. And they're working on gene editing as we speak to erase what is supposed to be an inheritance.
>>16769633I've used it for a decade along with clozapineNo issues, but my doses were pretty small and sadly my shrink is reducing them even further.He completely removed the haloperidol and possibly in the future the clozapine as well.He thinks I'm cured, a marvel, while the reality is I just learned to pretend.Also the prudence of never admitting my psychosis was permanent.He always was under the illusion that the voices just came and went.Hah
>>16761035you lucky son of a bitch live in america yet still did not found the solution?You gotta be kidding me.It's either meth or adderall poor faggot!
>>16770390Well I mean if you're functioning. I've had inner voices, they're part of the package. They're only a problem when they're distracting from what you ought to be focusing on or when they represent some issue with self worth and self appraisal or are some variety of compulsive thoughts.And compulsive thoughts are just the issue that conditioning works by repetition amplified by the threat detection system. Same mechanism as getting an earworm stuck in your head. But here the earworm has emotional content because it's something the brain is programmed to avoid. So you think about the knife again because you thought about it before (conditioning) and then the brain hormones kick in because a knife is dangerous, but conditioning is amplified by the hormones because you're supposed to remember dangerous things so you can watch out for them (really a snake or bear or something like that). So that makes you remember the knife again. It's really silly and trivial and has to do with how the brain works and says NOTHING about who you are as a person.
>>16770439>I've had inner voices,Are you sure you know how this works mate or are you just LARPing?The auditory hallucinations of psychosis are not inner voices.They are very much outer voices, like real voices, indistinguishable from actual people, only there is nobody there to produce them.
>>16770416who said i live in america lmao
>>16770461It's hard to do accurate taxonomies on subjective sensations. The potential to hear sounds in the head, to have your inner voice be louder or quiter on not heard at all, to have your inner voice be more "you", more in line with what is most benificial for functioning and going about your daily tasks, or shouting or repeating or echoing random lines or emotionally loaded lines, etc - all of those are part of the package of how the brain works, including neurotypical brains. The potential for the cognitive process to obsess and get stuck and condition itself into compulsive thoughts is also part of the package, including for neurotypicals.My belief is that the borderline between neurotypical and neurodivergent is not a matter of different mechanisms but a matter of degree, frequency, and of constantly being bombed in an intense hormone bath and never being in a state of calm and relaxation.
OP is debating using colorful pictures and analogies as an argument?I'm not a doctor, but what I heard from a doctor is that anti-psychotics are VERY important. Schizophrenia which starts like delusional thoughts may end up as dementia, if patient will not take that pills. The patient won't recognize relatives etc. Because schizophrenia actually damages brain in long term.
>>16770653Yes. A way to explain how clinically misunderstood ANTIPSYCHOTICs are.I've been on antipsychotics (on and off) between 2009 and 2017. SO I know what I'm talking about. I'm screaming injustice. Or even worse than injustice.THEY. DON'T. KNOW. how horrible it feels to be on antipsychotics.The issue with injustice, is that somebody does it on purpose. Whereas antipsychotics are very dystopian. It's an unknown hell.It's as if I forced you to drink hand sanitizer every day and you'd try to explain to me that your stomach hurts real bad, and I'd simply ignore it and keep repeating to you that you need to take it for the rest of your life, or else you stay locked in the mental ward.People like this guy, only focus on a stereotype, heal the patient. He doesnt understand the suffering of trillions of blocked connections in the brain>>16767918you stupid fucking piece of shit imbecile cretin. Antipsychotics don't re-calibrate your brain. Go read the definition of anti-psychotic. It's like little dildos penetrating a few of the entries from each Neuron. They attach themselves to the neurons blocking information from coming in and out. Stupid fucking cretin.
>>16767921wrong. I've been in psychiatry ward, on and off between 2009 to 2017.They literally force everyone to remain on anti-psychotics.You could rush to hospital for help because you're hearing voices and need help. And once they put you on anti-psychotics, they force you to stay on them. They'll even send the cops, if you refuse to take antipsychotics.Sending the cops on everyone who enters their psychiatric system loophole.
>>16767913this isn't a meme.It's a demonstration of how alcohol reduces the dopamine levels, temporarily for a day or 2.The colors represent the intensity of brain activity.
>>16769633they forced me with Aldhol for 2 months in 2010. It was Hell on Earth. I even fell on the floor twice, losing conscience because of blood pressure reduced.There's a reason I made this thread. I've been in good shape since 2017. That was the last time I took anti-psychotics. But it took a hard battle between 2009- and 2017. Arguing with psychiatrists. Trying tor reason with them but they're all idiots.A psychiatrist is literally a moron idiot.>>16770390this is EXACTLY what happens. I've been saying this for a long time. All the patients pretend.this is why I created this thread. It's been 8 years without these antipsychotics. And I feel sorry for all the patients out there who are locked against their will.This why I'm trying to raise awareness for the justice of the people.
I'm not sure if much related to this thread but for my anxeity disorder shrink put me under quetiapine. I felt numb and drugged, but less anxious and also like my mind was not going in overdrive. Yet, after one or two weeks I started with joint pain in my hands, it was unbearable like I could not even cut my meat with a knife. I cut off the quetiapine without consulting my shrink since sessions are like hell of expensive. Once I got back with shrink, I told him about my allegedly side effects, he told me he has never heard of it so we put me under some other antidepressant. So my question is if anyone here has had some side effects that psychiatrists are not even aware of?
>>16770641no broas someone who was neurotypical in the past and later on became a schizo, it is pretty clear cutnormal people hear their inner voice(s)schizos hear OUTER voices"REAL" voices coming from people shouting outside your house, only there is nobody theresame with visual hallucinationsit's different to imagine something in your head, and different to see it in the real wordif you are a schizo you see e.g. a table in the room, but there is no tablebut you see it as if there wasyou see a "real" table, not an image of a table in your headthis is what makes it "not normal" otherwise it would just be imaginationit's that simple
>>16771847>this is EXACTLY what happens. I've been saying this for a long time. All the patients pretend.>this is why I created this thread. It's been 8 years without these antipsychotics. And I feel sorry for all the patients out there who are locked against their will.>This why I'm trying to raise awareness for the justice of the people.it's not that easy broyou need a large intellect and strong willpower to act normallymost schizos can'tI've met a lot of them and they just can't, because they cannot distinguish the delusion from normality
>>16770361no the shamanistic stuff definitely was truepeoples of the past venerated schizos and used them as shamanic guides to the unconsious mindbut our society is just too detached from that kind of stuffwe are too rational and detached from our unconsious, so schizos are locked up
>>16771888There's pretty solid evidence that the core / majority of "hearing voices" cases are varieties of inner voice misattributions. That is, you stop identifying your inner brain LLM that is constantly going on and on generating the next inner word from what came before, as "yourself". But there is also some evidence that in a subset of cases this combines with some other mechanism to also activate the actual hearing centers in the brain, so those patients might more vividly be hearing some very persuasively external sounds or voices. So maybe you're one of those cases.
>>16771911Well I stand corrected.It appears you are right.I always thought my case was the universal standard.But I do really hear them outside.Like a group of people shouting outside my house.First time I heard them I nearly shat myself cause I thought a mob of people had come to lynch me.
I mean, I hear ya guys.The idea isn't whether schizophrenia doesn't exist and it's shamanic powers or if it's real and needs to be treated.The main issue is the Regime of restricting the liberties of such person, under the law.There's same percentage , per capita, of criminal action, between an insane person and a sane one.Therefore there is no point in trying to "prevent" mentally ill people from doing crimes in society, by sedating them against their will.There needs to be a reasonable amount of freedom of free will for the patient who needs treatement.If he hears voices and absolutely needs medication, then so be it. Let him have it.But this is not what we have today. We have an absolute dictatorship, where psychiatry system locks people against their will, for life, since the first day.Might as well just never try to get help, and continue to remain crazy, giving the current psychiatric system.If a sex addict lady goes to an interview for a porn shoot, does not imply that she wants to be abducted by the cartels and used as a sex acolyte slave.She has a big sex drive and wants to fuck. That does not mean that she needs to be persecuted in the sex industry by the cartels, against her will.Many people will seek help. They want anti-psychotics.In my personal experience, after 10 years (on and off) tortured by anti-psychotics against my will, it solved my problems. I was very sick in 2007. Too deep in psychosis. And if it weren'T for the torture of anti-psychotics for 10 years (on and off), I probably would've never gotten out of those psychotic mindset. Today, I'm way better. Healthier in my mind. And it is BECAUSE of anti-psychotics. It's an amazing tool, that psychiatrists seem to not be able to utilize properly.I've been 8 years off of anti-psychotics, and I'm doing great. If they had it their way, the psychiatrists, they'd love to keep me sedated for life. Which it isn't fair.
>>16771987>If they had it their way, the psychiatrists, they'd love to keep me sedated for lifeA psychiatrist is risking a lot when he cuts down on your meds.To him he'd rather medicate you when not needed and be on the safe side, than take an unnecessary risk.If you are doing well, they do cut down on your meds, but very slowly and in a controlled way.If you wanna take matters into your own hands, well that was always allowed, stop taking your meds, and if you fuck up, the asylum is waiting for you.>Therefore there is no point in trying to "prevent" mentally ill people from doing crimes in society, by sedating them against their will.This literally never happens.Most people who end up at shrinks have royally fucked up their life in one way or another and either their family/friends force them to go or they personally choose to go (rarer).If you ended up at a shrinks office or even worse an asylum, you majorly fucked up at some point.Normal people don't get carted there against their will as you are implying.
>>16772006unfortunately it is not like this. I have seen it with my own eyes for 10 years.Basically what happens, every patient, no matter where he is on the spectrum of mentall illness, whether he is a psychopath or a mild case, the psychiatry system works the same. They will lock him up. Negotiate with him. But the negotiation implies full dictatorship. He will nevger be released unless he accepts medication, unless he accepts that the only version of himself is the sedated version.The psychiatrist is completely against the patient's "off meds" version. Therefore he will lock you for 3 months, if needed.Psychiatrist will visit you in your room many times per week to conversate. But it's literally just a bullying. You're being forced to like and pretend and tell them what they want to hear.The more you oppose yourself to their doctrine, the more they higher up your medication dosage. And what that does it' weakens your nervous system.I remember being so broken down that I would say 'yes' to absolutely everything they wanted. Everything they wanted me to say.Not only was I so suffering from meds, they'd keep me locked up and only release me from psych ward if I told them what they wanted to hear.I even told them "why are you wanting me to tell you what you wanna hear?"and she just left the room without a word. Only to return 3 days later to ask me how I am doing.3 months passing by of being held hostage, until you become a professional liar, telling them their very specific narrative that they want to hear.But not only that. Sometimes they felt that the narrative you spoke wasn<t good enough. That you had some psychosis left and pretend you didnt.It was the ultimate Hell scenario. Pure Hell.normal people do not end up locked up for life. You, indeed, need to have some insanity issues. But the idea is, theey feel like being in Copy Rights about your life. You have no true freedom and your feedback does not matter.
>>16772053I know how it is.I have been locked up.The police took me handcuffed to the asylum and I stayed there for 2 months.At the end of the 2 months they would either evaluate I was safe to release or keep me there.I was released but went back willingly after a few years.I used to think like you.But I have changed my perspective.>Basically what happens, every patient, no matter where he is on the spectrum of mentall illness, whether he is a psychopath or a mild case, the psychiatry system works the same.This is simply not true. Tons of people have mild mental issues and they do not get locked up.You got locked up because you were either a danger to yourself or others.Nobody locks you up for minor issues.They won't lock you up if you are feeling sad, but if you try to kill yourself because you are feeling sad.>He will nevger be released unless he accepts medication,Of course they want you to take your meds, that's the only thing preventing you from becoming the way you were before.If you don't take your meds of course they will never release you cause you are a still danger to yourself and/or others.That's why you got there in the first place, remember?>You're being forced to like and pretend and tell them what they want to hear.Of course they want you to tell them NORMAL stuff and act like a NORMAL person. You are locked up bro.Now is not the time to rant about your schizo delusions.If you can't understand the gravity of your situation and that now of all times it's time to act as normal as you can, you don't deserve to be released, cause your delusions are too powerful and you can't control them.I understand where you are coming from. I doPsychiatry is not what it should be.All they care is about meds and not treating the underlying issues.But it is what it is. This is our societyIf you want to be released you have to prove you can function within its boundaries.
>>16772073it isn't about me, that's the thing. It is about the hundreds of patients that I have seen there, locked with me. None of them get their freedom. If you are mildly normal, they still will not let you to be off meds.The issue is not what you truly have. But rather what they think you have.No psychiatrist ever apologized to me, for me being off meds and doing ok, in the past 8 years.They'd just casually continue to block trillions of connections between the billions of brain neurons. Casually deciding my torture and nobody really cares, because nobody really knows what's it like.It is the most further action from the notion of democracy. North Korea is nothing compared to the modern psychiatry.I've seen patients who constantly fart in the hollway and the nurses being upset at them. And them not knowing why. The antiu-psychotics erased the notion of shame.I've seen patient who told me that everyday he's thinking about jumping in front of the metro to end his own life.The constant mental torture is real. And it's not like I'm lieing about it myself.I'm schocked how no psychiatrist ever listened to my confessions, tortmenting in pain, suffering, like a tooth pain. They did not care. Not once did they considered that I was telling the truth. They said to themselves that I am lying just to get off meds.There's literally a secondary effect definition for anti-psychotics that say "the patient refuses to take medication".University literally teaches them to believe refusal of medication to be a secondary effect of schizophrenia. It's absolutely unhinged.They change meds. I underwent 5 different types. Everything goes, except allowing me to be free.In 2011, I went there myself asking for meds. And they betrayed me, putting me on injections every 2 weeks to make sure I will take the meds.It's as if they only trust the medicated version of you, and put you against the non medicated version of yourself.
>>16772132A psychiatric institution is a place where the normal rules and the personal freedom that everyone is entitled too does no longer exist - there is one class of people there (doctors, nurses) who get to act like dictators, or maybe parents, to the patients, and tell them what to do, and enforce that.That's why there is a high bar to clear before someone gets institutionalized - because that individual is stripped of normal freedoms and rights. You basically have to be a danger to yourself or others and not be able to take care of yourself - only then can you be committed.Once inside, the nurses and doctors are going to be just like all other people on earth. Some are smart, but many are stupid. Many mean well but some dont. Some mean well but are worn down by what they constantly have to deal with. Some are competent others incompetent.So yeah, once you're committed you are in a place where your freedom and self-determination has been taken away, and where you are with some regularity subjected to being at the mercy of people who are incompetent, stupid and sometimes mean.Not a good place to be, but you're there because no one has been able to come up with a better solution when peoples heads get all screwed up from hormone baths and misfiring synapses and they're unable to take care of themselves and others. I can imagine that taking the meds is horrible in the same way as getting off heroin is horrible. At the end of the day they're insisting on you taking the meds despite how they make you feel, because of how they make you act - like someone who can be let back out into society and have self-determination again.
>>16772403you are right in what you are saying except for the drugsschizos like him are exaggerating about the medsthe meds are fine the only problem is >>16772132>University literally teaches them to believe refusal of medication to be a secondary effect of schizophrenia.which is absolutely trueI hated my meds and didn't wanna take them because I thought they were "limiting" my brain or somethingAbsolutely schizo talkSchizos will gladly take heroin but refuse to take meds, the reason being they are insane and have twisted the world upside down. Everything a doctor says must be wrong, but everything a junky says must be true.Once I got rid of my delusions I found that meds are not only fine, but quite pleasurable as well.The ONLY real side-effect is sleepiness, so if you wanna be productive in the real world you have to accept that you will sleep more.But still there are ways to combat this sleepiness like exercising for instance and taking them only at the end of the day, not in the morning.But there is absolutely no reason to be productive inside an asylum, there the meds are a blessing because they make the time pass faster and you are chilled out.Sometimes I long for the asylum, it wasn't bad at all.The second time I had a private room and all and the nurses would bring me breakfast in bed.If I had a laptop to read and browse the internet, it would be peak comfiness.Watch the crazies do crazy stuff and laugh, browse 4chan and play games without a care in the world.I wish I could go back.
>>16772433But are you sure there isnt a "withdrawal" effect? The reason I bring up heroin and other addictive drugs is because the reason the withdrawal is terrible is that the brain is habituated to being in an extreme state (in terms of synapse firings, hormones, etc) and that makes the normal state feel terrible for a transitionary period of time. Since schizophrenia is also associated with weird synapse firings, I imagine there would be some kind of withdrawal where things seems more gray and maybe joyless. Not to mention the whole hangover of facing head on your situation. I mean, objectively, on paper, you should be euphoric: "I'm no longer in a psychosis, yay!!". But humans dont work like that, instead it will be "what the hell I'm in a fucking mental institution I'm crazy that must make me a terrible failure, I really messed up my life"
>>16772474...so I guess what I'm asking you is: as you recall it, did the drugs become ok only through a change of perspective, or was there also a timed aspect, if they felt more ok after a couple of weeks had passed taking them
>>16772474>But are you sure there isnt a "withdrawal" effect? Oh no the withdrawal from psych meds is the worst thing imaginable.I have had withdrawals from heroin, meth, whatever.Nothing compares to the withdrawal from antipsychotics.There is no way to quit cold turkey, you have to gradually reduce.Very gradually.
>>16772492I was more talking about "withdrawal" from the state of psychosis
>>16772495the state of psychosis sucks
>>16772053Correct.Being In a place will make you crazy[also being in jail will make you a criminal)
>>16772492objectively falset. done it myself
>>16772515Yes, sure, but let's say that the "manic" episodes in bipolar suck, but coming down from them sucks, as well
