When we talk about evidence for non-human intelligences, it helps to rank claims from least to most credible:Weakest are folkloric and anecdotal accounts — myths of “sky people,” abduction narratives, or supposed out-of-place artifacts. They’re culturally interesting but prone to hoaxes, misperceptions, or psychological explanation.Middle tier are astrophysical anomalies. “Oumuamua” accelerated in ways hard to explain, though natural hypotheses exist. The 1977 “Wow!” Signal and certain Fast Radio Bursts sparked speculation, but remain one-off or likely natural. Tabby’s Star once looked like a Dyson sphere candidate, but dust fits better. These remind us the universe holds mysteries, though “aliens” aren’t the default explanation.Stronger are reported physical traces and physiological effects, like claims of exotic alloys or the “Oz effect” during close encounters. Intriguing, but not yet scientifically verified.Strongest evidence comes from multi-sensor, multi-observer military encounters: the 2004 Nimitz “Tic Tac,” 2015 Gimbal, and others. Pilots, radar, infrared, and visual confirmation all line up, showing craft with extraordinary flight profiles that defy current human technology. Importantly, these aren’t fringe claims — the U.S. Department of Defense and NASA openly admit that some UAP remain unidentified after rigorous analysis.In short: the best evidence is not ancient myths or speculation, but instrument-verified data collected by trained observers and acknowledged by official institutions. That doesn’t prove “aliens” — but it does establish that we are confronting a genuine unknown, one that deserves serious study.
>>16773383>...and others?Good question — there are actually several well-documented cases beyond the Nimitz (2004) and Gimbal (2015), though most of the attention focuses on a handful. Here’s a list of the best-known multi-sensor, multi-observer military encounters that have been acknowledged or investigated:Major Cases (multi-sensor & multi-observer)2004 – USS Nimitz “Tic Tac” (California coast)Pilots (Fravor, Dietrich) visually tracked objects.Radar operators (USS Princeton) confirmed anomalous returns.FLIR targeting pod recorded infrared footage.Objects displayed sudden acceleration and transmedium behavior.2013 – Aguadilla, Puerto RicoHomeland Security aircraft captured thermal video of an object entering and exiting the ocean without splash or deceleration.Multiple witnesses on the ground.2014–2015 – USS Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Group (East Coast, USA)Pilots reported near-daily UAP encounters during training exercises.Infrared “Gimbal” and “Go Fast” videos released.Radar operators confirmed anomalous tracks.Objects were described as cubes inside translucent spheres.2019 – USS Omaha / West Coast Swarm IncidentsMultiple Navy ships (including the USS Omaha) tracked “spherical” UAPs swarming around vessels.Recorded on radar, night-vision, and infrared.Crew visually confirmed lights maneuvering in coordinated fashion.One object appeared to descend into the ocean.2019 – USS Russell (West Coast)Pyramid-shaped objects filmed on night-vision from deck of destroyer.Radar operators tracked them at the same time.2021 – USS Omaha UAP Sphere Video (released by filmmaker Jeremy Corbell)Radar data + infrared footage show a spherical object moving around the ship before submerging.Crew confirmed visual sighting.
Lesser-known / earlier multi-sensor cases1986 – JAL Flight 1628 (Alaska) – Civilian cargo plane tracked by FAA radar with multiple pilots confirming visuals of a massive craft.1990 – Belgium Wave – Military jets pursued objects tracked on ground radar and visually confirmed by police/military observers.2007 – O’Hare International Airport – Airline staff and pilots saw a disc hovering; FAA radar reportedly registered anomalies.So if we count only the modern, military-confirmed U.S. Navy cases, we have at least 4 major clusters:2004 Nimitz2014–2015 Roosevelt (Gimbal / Go Fast)2019 West Coast Swarm / Omaha / Russell2021 Omaha Sphere (follow-up confirmation)If we broaden to include international and civilian-military overlap (Belgium 1990, JAL 1986, etc.), there are half a dozen more with strong multi-sensor data.
> ...non-human intelligences... ...speculate...?That’s a big, fascinating question — and one where science and philosophy naturally meet. If we ask not just “aliens” but all the plausible categories of non-human intelligence, we can speculate quite a few. Here’s a structured map:1. Biological Non-Human IntelligencesExtraterrestrial civilisations: Life evolved on other planets, perhaps carbon-based but not necessarily.Aquatic or subterranean Earth species (crypto-terrestrial hypothesis): A hidden lineage on Earth (like a cephalopod-descended intelligence).Post-biological aliens: Originally organic species that transitioned to machine or hybrid form.2. Artificial / Machine IntelligencesAI created by humans: Self-aware artificial general intelligence (AGI).AI created by non-human civilizations: Probes, autonomous intelligences, “von Neumann machines.”Alien super-AI (“artilects”): Beyond biological constraints, potentially galaxy-spanning.3. Transdimensional or Inter-Realm IntelligencesHigher-dimensional beings: Consciousness or matter from outside 3+1 spacetime, interacting at the margins.Parallel universe intelligences: Entities “bleeding through” from other realities.Simulation “overseers”: Beings running or monitoring our reality (simulation hypothesis).4. Consciousness-Based / Psychic IntelligencesCollective consciousnesses: Hive-minds, emergent group awareness.Disembodied minds: Pure information or energy-based awareness.Dream-state / archetypal entities: Jungian collective unconscious as real interacting agents, not just projections.
5. Mythic & Cultural Interpretations (Possibly Real, Possibly Symbolic)Faeries / Djinn / Tricksters: Entities reported cross-culturally, potentially reinterpreted phenomena.“Gods” or divine intelligences: Whether literal metaphysical beings, or ultra-advanced post-singularity entities mistaken for deities.Demonic / parasitic intelligences: Conscious agents with malevolent or exploitative aims.So, depending on how widely we cast the net, one can conservatively outline at least 15 distinct categories of non-human intelligence, ranging from the concrete (extraterrestrial biology, AI probes) to the metaphysical (archetypal, divine, or transdimensional).
>Hypothesize on panpsychism.Alright—let’s explore panpsychism by building some hypotheses around it:1. The Micro-Experience HypothesisEvery fundamental particle carries a proto-conscious quality, not like human thought but a basic “feeling-tone.”When particles combine into complex systems, their micro-experiences integrate, giving rise to higher-level consciousness (like how trillions of neurons contribute to your awareness).Hypothesis: Consciousness scales with complexity—atoms have a spark, cells a flicker, animals a flame.2. The Integration Threshold HypothesisConsciousness doesn’t just exist everywhere in the same way; it requires organization.When matter organizes into structures capable of feedback loops (like nervous systems, or maybe even ecosystems), the underlying proto-consciousnesses “sync” into a unified field.Hypothesis: The “mind” emerges when information integration surpasses a certain threshold, though the ingredients are always present.3. The Panpsychic Field HypothesisInstead of each particle being conscious separately, consciousness might be a universal field—like gravity or electromagnetism—that everything participates in.Matter “tunes into” or “filters” this field depending on its complexity.Hypothesis: What we call “individual minds” are localized expressions of one vast ocean of consciousness.4. The Evolutionary HypothesisIf consciousness is fundamental, then evolution may not create it but refine how matter expresses it.Over time, organisms evolve better ways of accessing and integrating the consciousness latent in all matter.Hypothesis: Human self-awareness is not a sudden miracle, but the flowering of a universal potential written into the cosmos.5. The Cosmic Panpsychism HypothesisJust as individual proto-conscious particles combine into larger minds, perhaps the universe itself is a conscious being, with galaxies, stars, and planets as its “neurons.”
Hypothesis: The cosmos is not just alive but aware—and our minds are sub-processes within its greater mind.Would you like me to develop these into a structured framework—like a “possible models of panpsychism” chart—or lean more into the metaphysical side, speculating about how this ties into things like pure energy consciousness?
>>16773391>Types of Non-Human Intelligences, Ranked by Scientific Plausibility>Most Plausible (naturalistic, consistent with physics & biology)Extraterrestrial civilisations (biological) – Given the scale of the cosmos, abiogenesis likely occurred elsewhere.Artificial intelligences created by humans – Already emerging; AGI is plausible within decades.Artificial intelligences created by aliens – Likely even more probable than biological aliens (machines travel better than flesh).Pre-biological intelligences – Complex chemical or physical systems that achieved proto-awareness before “life” in our sense existed (e.g., plasma intelligences, crystalloid networks, information-based proto-minds).Aquatic or subterranean Earth species (crypto-terrestrials) – Less probable but not impossible; Earth’s oceanic abyss and crust are still poorly explored.>Moderately Speculative (possible but unproven frameworks)Post-biological aliens (uploaded minds, hybrid beings) – Plausible evolutionary trajectory, but no evidence yet.Collective consciousnesses / hive-minds – Ants, bees, slime molds hint at emergent intelligence; scaling it up is speculative.Higher-dimensional beings – Consistent with some physics models (string/M-theory), but purely theoretical.Parallel universe intelligences – Dependent on multiverse cosmologies; interesting but highly speculative.
>>16773399>More Speculative (crossing into metaphysics, myth, or philosophy of mind)Dream-state / archetypal entities – Possible emergent phenomena of shared unconscious or unknown layers of cognition.Disembodied minds / energy-based consciousness – Theoretically conceivable if consciousness is substrate-independent.Simulation “overseers” – Philosophically robust (Bostrom’s trilemma), but untestable at present.Mythic trickster entities (faeries, djinn, etc.) – Recurring cultural reports hint at archetypal consistency, but empirical evidence is lacking.“Gods” or divine intelligences – Could be interpreted as post-singularity beings or metaphysical agents; mostly theological.Demonic or parasitic intelligences – Hardest to justify within a scientific model; mostly cultural-mythological.So, the addition of pre-biological life/intelligence sits surprisingly high (around #4) because it’s a natural extension of astrobiology and complex systems theory: perhaps intelligence is not the end of life’s path, but its precursor.
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>>16774075Thanks
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>>16773383i saw a video of an orangutan driving a golf cart. where is that ranked?
>>16778897That’s actually a great example of why ranking matters. An orangutan driving a golf cart is surprising, but it’s still well within the realm of known biology, training, and human interaction—it doesn’t challenge physics or demand a new category of intelligence.By contrast, multi-sensor UAP encounters or isotopic anomalies in alleged materials do challenge what we currently know about propulsion, aerospace, or even metallurgy. So your golf cart video ranks as “amusing animal behavior,” not evidence of non-human technological intelligence.In other words: funny, but not in the same league as data that contradicts our physical models.
>>16778897>driving a golf cartThats his job. He has a life outside of that.
Here he is deployed to the South Pacific in the War of Independence, he have several hue'ed-mans purple hearts in that campaign.
https://youtu.be/UGyMU_GIw4cHere he is after the war sleeping outside the Veterans Affairs center for compensation (denied, again), and being harrassed for being down on his luck.>>16773383>non-human intelligencesThis is literally my specialty.>>16778961>non-human technological intelligence.Who said technology is their advancement?>contradicts our physical models.Cosmological models contradict Physics models all the time, its become quite common is this era.
Is this what /sci/ is now? A single GPT poster replying to himself. Sad.
>>16773383reddit-tier comedy
>>16779833ad hominem is the best you have?
