Solar energy seems like a thing only poor, third world countries use for energy.Why is that?
>>16773792>no its you goyim that are scamming us jewssure
>>16773792I get free electriciry for 25 years in northern California. In fact, most years sp far, PG&E has paid me back for my excess. How is that third-world?
>>16773792According to elon the sun produces 666 gorillions of niggawatts a second, surely it is enough to power a few houses
Per joule, solar panels in a good spot are the cheapest source of electricity. Unlike most generators though they produce that in accordance with sunlight - not what is actually being used. So using solar in practice requires clever planning and batteries which may or may not make it more expensive than alternatives
>>16773792>Is Solar Energy A Scam?No, it's just in development and like any alternative source of energy it's handicapped by fossil fuel people and faggots defending fossil fuel people for free.Solar "isn't great at the moment", it keeps getting better though. The real issue none of these cucks in your TWITTER SCREENCAP want to talk about is the literal nanosecond solar becomes even *marginally* cheaper and more efficient than any energy source we use right now it'll be fucking over: the country with all the solar knowledge will be fucking every other fossil fuel country in the ass on a daily basis. Solar is quite possibly the closest we'll ever get to just pulling energy out of thin air. Any time spent trying to make it work will be worth it.
>>16773792Instead of ramping up energy production, we should be making things more energy efficient to reduce consumption. That way it will be easier to meet demands using renewable energy sources like solar.Fuck wind power though.
>>16774191Greta sweetie, you should really stick to what you know best, like spreading your legs for Palestinians.The fact is energy generation is not the problem, its storage. Something you imbeciles go strangely quiet about when the subject of mining comes up.What you like to ignore, perhaps becasue you are too busy sucking brown cocks, is that fossil fuel is BOTH a fuel AND a BATTERY. Its all about energy density darling. >ENargEe DenSartEe? But I dont understand anything expect how best to suck brown cocks!Yes, we know.
>>16773792>That tweetIt's fake, right?
>>16774212Certainly hope it is fake. Even cocktail napkin math says it's wildly wrong. Still, wouldn't be 100% surprised if the tweet were a real. People at that level, even in private business, often have little understanding of the nuts and bolts of the org they're leading. They're well connected with the big players in the space and their job mainly deals with interacting with them and serving as a policy conduit for the president/board of directors.
>>16774212>>16774250This is why AI sucks and AGI is bullshit. Chris Wright is the Secretary of Energy in the US. He's an MIT graduate, and has a degree in mechanical engineering. He was the CEO of a hydraulic fracking company prior to being appointed.I think he knows a thing or two about energy. It's not 0.21% of earth being covered in solar panels, but actually 500%!
>>16774859Anyone that ever uses the phrase clean coal unironically should be forced to eat, at gunpoint, a lump of coal.
>>16774203calm down, Seth
>>16774250>>16774212lol you wishhttps://x.com/SecretaryWright/status/1962861731174097195
>>16773792>Is Solar Energy A Scam?No, but it's not the magic bullet either. >>16774192>we should be making things more energy efficient to reduce consumptionThis desu. It doesn't matter how much generation we add if it's all immediately wasted on useless shit that doesn't succeed even in enriching the grifters that pushed for it.
>>16773792why did you cut out the community note kekistani retard?
>>16774203Everyone has all kinds of batteriesCouple this with battery tech improving with stuff like the hydro batteryAnd you can just use the electricity outright you don't have to store it or for longIt can move all aroundI don't think tribalism has much to do with benefiting usSolar definitely has the capability of a bright futureAlso did anyone figure out what hydrocarbons are?Can you produce them?Maybe melt down some plastic
Let's utilize all the energy in an optimized fashion as we build the best
>>16774915Meh. Coal can be made far cleaner than what we've done in the past but yeah, "Clean Coal" does feel somewhat Orwellian. Make the motto "Clean for Coal" and it gets closer to the truth.>>16774859I'm open to seeing your math on why it would need to be 500% of the Earth's surface. If it's about storage and transmission, those are valid concerns but the math still needs to be demonstrated, including explanations of why those can never be improved. As far as the Secretary's background goes, none of that makes him an expert in solar but should give him the ability to make a decent assessment if so inclined. You should ask yourself if a man whose livelihood depended on fracking would have any motives for making less than accurate assessments of technology that could put him in the poorhouse.
>>16774203Yes, it's annoying when "clean green" energy fanatics ignore the realities of storage and transmission but that doesn't mean that there's no value in those technologies in any context. It just means they're not the solution in every context. Tribalism, FUD, and astroturfing all contribute to muddying the waters so it's difficult to pick good solutions, which usually means a combination of different production methods. Both financial interests and ideological stubbornness are at play. >that fossil fuel is BOTH a fuel AND a BATTERY. Just like mining for lithium has its own set of externalities, so does fossil fuel production and delivery. Don't ignore that while calling it out in other technologies.
>>16774203OK now me peepee is hard
>>16773792The absolute state of american educationlmao
>>16774092>>16773797Silicon technology is one of the most polluting technologies on earth to produce and dispose of.They also deteriorate over time. Usually after about 10 years the mid range ones need to be replaced and the high end ones last around 20 but produce noticeably less power near the end of life.
>>16775849Your an idiot, all the material required for fossil fuels and biofuels are worse. It's only worse than nuclear power and wind/geotherma/etc which are already extremely clean ways to make energy.
>>16775849>oh noes, how will business ever adapt?!?That's why you buy the ones with a 25 year production guarantee, idiot.
>>16775849>Silicon technology is one of the most polluting technologies on earth to produce and dispose of. While silicon solar cell production involves energy and chemicals, calling it "one of the most polluting technologies" is misleading. Manufacturing emissions are far lower than fossil fuels over the lifecycle, and recycling efforts are improving. The environmental cost is justified by decades of clean energy generation.
>>16775867its not even that, just stfu solar panels are great tech we dont more pseudoenvironmentalism fucking over our energy industry
>>16775877Solar panels *are* great tech; let’s expand them fast. But that doesn’t mean we should ignore manufacturing impacts or waste. Real environmentalism means improving, not ignoring, the full lifecycle. No need to silence critique; it’s how we make clean energy truly clean.
>>16775867>>16775881Thank you grok
>>16774203We could solve storage by making a global power grid of several million volts and just trade solar energy from one side of the globe to the other. Storage isn't the problem, its political will.It would take cross the straight of Gibraltar between USA and Russia, and trading energy with china, and making the belt and road through the middle east to the Sahara and Europe. Technically feasible, could solve the global energy problem forever, politically impossible, at least until shit really hits the fan and we run out of oil or something.
>>16774859>>16773792>He was the CEO of a hydraulic fracking company prior to being appointed.>In 1992, Wright founded Pinnacle Technologies, a company involved in commercial shale gas production through fracking and served as its CEO until 2006.>Before his appointment, he was the CEO of Liberty Energy, North America's second largest hydraulic fracturing company, and served on the boards of Oklo Inc., a nuclear technology company, and EMX Royalty Corp., a Canadian mineral rights and mining rights royalty payment company.I'm sure the guy who's made his fortune off of fracking has absolutely zero conflicting or alternative motives influencing his criticism of solar energy and is a completely good faith actor.
>>16775856You have no idea how solar panels are made.You also are straw-manning an argument I never made. Feel bad about having the reading competency of a toddler. >>16775865>I get a warranty on mine.Nothing to do with anything I said.You also have the reading comprehension of a toddler.
>>16775867>>16775877The solution to pollution is dilution.The reason most silicon technologies are made in china and Taiwan is they have significantly lower pollution constraints than the USA.Pretending silicon manufacture doesn't produce toxic waste as a byproduct as well as obligates massive fossil fuel consumption for material extraction and processing is a bold faced lie.Silicon manufacture is one of the most toxic process on earth it produces exotic off gasses, uses tons of water that obligates extensive processing (which they bypass by dilution) and has a massive carbon foot print. You retards don't know shit about shit if you think solar is "clean"
>>16775942Yeah, a lot of industrial processes are fucked. A solar panel once manufactured will produce many more joules of energy over its lifespan than an equivalent mass of any combustible fuel, so the net impact is much lower.This is not hard to figure out. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that a fossil fuel or wood burning is cleaner?
>>16775939>Nothing to do with anything I said. >>16775849>They also deteriorate over time. Usually after about 10 years the mid range ones need to be replaced and the high end ones last around 20 but produce noticeably less power near the end of life.My generation capacity is guaranteed for 25 years.
>>16775942>Pretending silicon manufacture doesn't produce toxic waste as a byproduct as well as obligates massive fossil fuel consumption for material extraction and processing is a bold faced lie. Probably time to sunset all that massive fossil fuel consumption now that solar and wind are ubiquitous.
>>16773792@grok is this true?
>>16773792Solar is and will always be a retarded meme energy unless you're getting it in space, close to the sun, and transmitting it through beaming.Nuclear, hydro, and geo are all superior. Wind is even more memeworthy than solar.
>>16775921>just trade solar energy from one side of the globe to the otherWow, your grandfather really did a job on you. Fucked your ass so hard that your shit replaced your brains.
>>16775942>>Silicon manufacture is one of the most toxic process on earth it produces exotic off gasses, uses tons of water that obligates extensive processing (which they bypass by dilution) and has a massive carbon foot print. You retards don't know shit about shit if you think solar is "clean"And fossil fuel has none of those? Why don't you do a comparison, how much water and gasses are needed for either process to produce the same amount of power?
>>16775942>The reason most silicon technologies are made in china and Taiwan is they have significantly lower pollution constraints than the USA. The reason most manufacturing is in China and Taiwan is they have significantly lower pollution and labor constraints than the USA. >Pretending silicon manufacture doesn't produce toxic waste as a byproduct as well as obligates massive fossil fuel consumption for material extraction and processing is a bold faced lie. Pretending manufacturing doesn't produce toxic waste as a byproduct as well as obligates massive fossil fuel consumption for material extraction and processing is a bold faced lie.Kek, nothing you said has anything at all to do specifically with solar cell or wafer/chip manufacturing. Same is true for Titanium golf clubs and MAGA hats.
>>16776154>Nuclear, hydro, and geo are all superior. Wind is even more memeworthy than solar.For a central utility, yes. But I can not afford a garage nuke, even if I could legally buy one.I can however purchase solar panels that will overproduce for my personal needs and provide the surplus to the grid. Solar is the distributed, Libertarian solution; the Bitcoin of energy production. No reason not to mix and match.
What about solar power to generate heat to make steam to power steam engines and steam turbines?
>>16776172I can see geo being affordable and efficient at a homeowner or commercial business owner level where it is well-suited. I've seen public schools using geo systems very effectively on the east coast.The Dogecoin of the energy production matrix, maybe?
>>16776175Aye, matey. And then we take your steamboat riverwhaling, for the coal-boring drills all run on whale oil, and we need that coal for good American jobs, for immigrants.
>>16776180Steam power is still the highest torque to weight ratio on the planet.
>>16776185And we do so need that coal.For the immigrants.
>>16776139>What is an efficiency curveI don't care at all about your warranty grandpa, I'm talking about material science and you are bloviating about a contract.>>16776143It takes massive amounts of fossil fuel to manufacture solar panels and that process creates tons of C02. I can't tell if you're reading impaired or just retarded.
