Many physicists "an heroed" when this was first revealed. It can't not be an simulation.
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>>16774086This is /sci/
can someone redpill me on this? i don't get why people freak out about this experiment. seems like it's the usual nonsense where physicists fall for the math meme and then get surprised when their model is not correct in experiments
>>16774083wave mechanics is a 100 year-old concept and nobody is impressed
>>16774101It means that the world is mind dependent, how things appear depends on who's looking at it. It has massive philosophical implications for what we can actually know. If our perception of reality bends to accommodate our minds, what are our minds hiding from us?
>>16774101interacting with particles changes their behavior, there's nothing wrong with the math here
>>16774134no it fucking doesn't you stupid faggot
>>16774101As I understand it, particles are in a kind of indeterminate state until observed or interacted with in some way, whereupon they collapse into a single defined state. If true, it means the universe isn't deterministic, and essentially destroys classic physics models.
>>16774144>essentially destroys classic physics modelsi thought that was the case all the way when quantum mechanics was invented
>>16774134No, the setup depends on a photon sensor being in place or not, not a mind. The real problem is that it demonstrates that measuring a system necessarily alters the system.
>>16774083how can a particle act like a wave?
>>16774239Same way a globe can act like a map.
>>16774083>if you hit a particle with a wave it'll move like a waveyeah
>muh consciousnessThe only way to observe a particle is to interact with it. You are essentially poking things with a cane, in the same way that a blind man does. Except the cane is light (or what have you) and the hand is your eyes or a sensor or whatever.>>16774101>physicists fall for the math meme and then get surprised when their model is not correct Retard. For the past 100 years, it's been the complete opposite. People disbelieve the math, only for it to be proved correct in experiments.
>>16774201Wrong.There have been experiments minimizing measurement error below Heisenberg uncertainty, even with measurement effects, and Heisenberg uncertainty still prevails.This means, no this isn't a measurement quirk. Matter is in fact, a wave.
>>16774354NTA but he wasn’t saying it was measurement error nor disputing that it was a wave, you dummy
>>16774083>Many physicists "an heroed" when this was first revealed. Sophons do be like that. Physics is dead.
>>16774354>Matter is in fact, a wave.Quantum mechanical objects are not particles nor are they waves. They are quantum mechanical object and behave exactly like quantum mechanical objects.Your need to grasp onto failed analogies is holding you back.
>Researchers at DLR have for the first time diffracted a beam of helium atoms through an ultrathin graphene membrane. The atomic matter waves created a characteristic wave pattern behind the membrane.>DLR researchers have succeeded, for the first time, in diffracting matter waves of atoms through a solid; until now, this had only been possible with electrons and neutrons. This opens up new avenues in materials research – enabling both the investigation of samples sensitive to radiation and the development of radiation-resistant materials.
>>16774140>>16774201people say this over and over on this website without having a single clue that dean radin (and likely others) has proved this already.
>>16774086Double slit came out before reddit even existed you internet addicted zoomer
>>16774144>particles are in a kind of indeterminate stateYeah but we dont know what they are doing when not observed is the issue
>>16774239>how can a particle act like a wave?This has been known since Isaac Newton did his prism experiment. Light has many colors, each color is a different possible state of a photon.The light spectrum is just a frequency and hence momentum spectrum. Each single photon has a momentum distribution, and a location uncertainty which we call coherence length.People casually talk about light spectrum and then act like wow OMG multiple states at the same time?
>>16774570>Each single photon has a momentum distributionutter nonsensethe distribution is an expression of our inability to measureevery photon you measure has a certain momentum, not a "distribution"
Still fucking waiting on that neutron double slit. Could settle for proton.
>>16774402link paper
>>16774083>interacting with an electron changes its position and velocity woooooooooow next they’re going to tell me not interacting with it doesnt alter its properties at all.
>>16774101You shoot an electron at the screen and you get a detection event at the screen where the electron hits the screen. So far nothing weird has happened.You do that many times and see that you get this stripe pattern. If you assume that electrons are point particles this is strange because you'd assume to get two bands on the screen behind the slits.In fact the pattern looks like the interference of a wave that passes through both slits (however you can't ever measure this for a single electron because a single electron only makes one dot on the screen).In an attempt to explain this you assume that every electron must be a wave by itself that passes through both slits and interferes with itself. Now you run into a problem because right before the screen the electron wave should be smeared out over the entire screen (together with its mass, energy, charge, etc.) but when it hits the screen you get a single detection of the entire electron with the right charge, mass, etc. So how did the smeared out electron suddenly localize into a single point, faster than the speed of light even? I say faster than the speed of light because you instantly know that there can't be anything to be absorbed anymore in the entire area of the screen.That's the real mystery here.Of course you made an assumption that every electron is a wave by itself, which may very well be wrong and the source of the confusion.For example, there has been this paper that recovers the wave function, hilbert spaces and all the fancy stuff from non Markovian dynamics of boring point particles.https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.16935
>>16774744>begins yelling about local electromagnetic fields
>>16774768Okay but the wave function still isn't a physical object
>>16774342>Retard. For the past 100 years, it's been the complete opposite.explain astronomy then, mr. retard caller
>>16774083Observer =/= human eyes
>>16774083Stop getting spooked. It's not a mental thing.Yes, there is an underlying quantum world that works fundamentally different than ours.No, it's not proof for the matrix. If anything, our existence pretty much implies the existence of the quantum world and vice versa. One could probably not exist without the other. In essence, the quantum world pretty much suggests that the matrix does NOT exist, it points to an eternal balance instead.
>>16774744>If you assume that electrons are point particles this is strange because you'd assume to get two bands on the screen behind the slits.The diffraction pattern only emerges when you do not detect which slit each particle passes through. If you detect each particle at the slits (and examine the resulting data), they DO only form two bands. I like Tom Campbell's explanation:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhMIz_iJtzQ
>>16774863corr good kittington diss
>>16774354>no this isn't a measurement quirkWrong, the fact that measuring a system alters the system is a quirk of measurement.
>>16774354>There have been experiments minimizing measurement error below Heisenberg uncertainty,source: my ass
>>16774645>every photon you measure has a certain momentum, not a "distribution"Every photon follows the heisenberg uncertainty principle. It doesnt have a defined wavelength but a distribution, and it has an associated inverse uncertainty in position.Photons with a sharp uncertainty in momentum are like monochromatic lasers, and these have as such a very large uncertainty in position, i.e a large coherence length, a large region where the photon might be located.
>>16775123>here have been experiments minimizing measurement error below Heisenberg uncertainty,You can check it with a laser. Just one common laser. Its going to have two kinds of uncertainty, in position its called the coherence length, and in momentum is how wide the spectrum is (in units of momentum).Multiply both, its around the plank constant more or less, depending on how you define with width of the distribution.Narrow spectrum x High coherence >=Planck constantOr with common lightWide spectrum x low coherence>=Planck constant
>>16775133>might beand yet when it slams into a detector, it is in only one placedon't be daft
>>16774570back then light was only thought to be a wave not also a particle.
>>16774404Log off boomer
>>16774083Regardless of whether it's a simulation or not we still feel things and actions have consequences in this reality.Simulation hypothesis changes nothing about the waking world we exist in. Once you realize this you've elevate yourself to being amongst the real humans who understand this and still go about their day being kind to others.
>>16775205>Claims universe is a simulation>Cant simulate a 3 body system
>>16774863Based !!
>>16774896Absolute nonsense
>>16774083You're not wrong. This fucks with our fundamental beliefs but gets taught in school like it was just another thing.It's basically a glitch in the Matrix that's also mainstream.
