So there is absolutely nothing after death, no consciousness, just non-existence, as before my birth. I will become dead matter again, originating from a nebula which itself originated from a supernova. And in the future, if someone is born with the same brain architecture as me, would they be me ?
>>16778622This is all conjecture just the same as religious claims about the afterlife. You must forbid reason from inquiring into matters which lie beyond its bounds.
>>16778627>This is all conjecture just the same as religious claims about the afterlife.Do you have any theories on how consciousness can exist without a physical brain ? And I’m also not sure if this is a good subject to discuss..
>>16778648>Do you have any theories on how consciousness can exist without a physical brain?Not that Anon but look into panpsychism. It sounds like some esoteric pseudoscientfic bullshit when you hear the name, but it's actually a decent hypothesis. There is no evidence against conciousness being a fundametal property of matter, much like other fundamental properties like gravity, and it's pretty in line with things like "consciousness causes collapse" interpretation of quantum mechanics. It's also in line with materialism. The brain could simply be an organ that evolved to harness this property in a way that is conductive to survival, much like the others. Organisms only really evolve the nervous system primarily for locomotion from what we observed.That said, this still implies whatever post mortem experience that may exist will be nothing like what we experience right now. It would most likely be free of all emotions, desires etc. that are governed by the brain. So "you" as a person will most likely still be gone, but experience doesn't necessarily end. For all we know all matter has some sort of rudimentary experience that simply cannot be expressed.
>>16778622You are born immediately after your brain dies. If somehow you are resuscitated, then the baby you are being born as dies. But also you may come back as a plant or animal being born.
>>16778693Also I must add that there is no karma. You come back at random. Only chaos is fair.
>>16778622>meNo such thing.
>>16778622Happy 12th birthday to you!Happy 12th birthday to you!etc
>>16778622For you personally, there will be nothing because you believe nothing happens after death.
>>16778693You are born after you plan another life. You have to plan a life in order to be born idiot. You don't have to reincarnate, and you come back when you're ready to. Stop saying this silly shit. You aren't gonna die as a baby unless you're supposed to. Unless you plan a life where you die as a baby.
>>16778731You don’t plan shit. You fear chaos and so fear dictates your every move.
>>16778794Then why do people have pre-birth memories where they remember planning their life? Must be lying huh? Larpers.NDE: I Saw my Pre-Birth Plan (I Planned my Illness and my Son's Passing)https://youtu.be/kPAqEFF1664?si=g2DnRXhdFqenMDPW
>>16778811>Must be lying huh?yes
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>>16778622Kikes have been arguing against the existence of a human soul forever when it’s in fact the most obvious thing that even a child could notice. Literally every culture and civilisation in human history recognises the human soul an innate truth, just like water or the sun, yet these Jew scientists want to convince us it’s not real. If the soul doesn’t exist, hid the fuck do I perceive what I perceive right now? How do I think, act, feel, ponder? It’s ridiculous to insinuate it doesn’t exist.
>>16778794Fear isn't real, it's an illusion and doesn't really exist. It's only there to teach you what love is for you to evolve and grow here.
>>16778622Read "Why materialism is baloney" by Bernardo Kastrup.Simple read with effective arguments against your logically flawed beliefs given the current data. It's made for the masses so you don't require any prerequisite knowledge.
>>16778829>read "why my opinions are better than yours" by Literally WhoJust give me the condensed version in your next post.
>>16778622Depending on how you look at it, death is not the end.For example, we still use the energy of dinosaursoup to power our cars and machines. So they are still useful after millions of years. Maybe in 5million years, future humans will use the energy of your body to power their prostateslammer 3000.
>>16780170Most oil isn't really dinosaurs. It's mostly decayed plant matter aa far as I'm aware like planktons and all that. Unless I'm mixing that up with coal.
>>16778622Science denies the existence of anything being destroyed, including abstract concepts like "information" with basically no exception.Consciousness exists, therefore it must change form or be conserved.
>>16778622Even if you believe in such a fairy tale, that wouldn't be nothing for you. The only possible next thing you can know is waking up.
>>16778622Can you point to the exact physical arrangement of matter and energy that you call “I”? What exactly do you think is dying?
>>16780424The Ship of MEseus
>>16778622>So there is absolutely nothing after death, no consciousness, just non-existence, as before my birth. I will become dead matter again, originating from a nebula which itself originated from a supernovaSource?>And in the future, if someone is born with the same brain architecture as me, would they be me ?Born? Why arbitrarily choose "born" as the delineator for a different consciousness?If consciousness is nothing but a local process as you're claiming then your consciousness will end tonight when you go to sleep and never return. A new instantiation of consciousness will start tomorrow in your brain. Would that be you?The answer is no. It will be a difference consciousness. There is nothing that links them outside of non physicalism. As an exmaple if you copy and paste this post it will not be the same post. It will be a new instance of the data in this post. Same with your consciousness. Your consciousness is not linked to the molecules that make up your brain. They're just molecules floating in space arranged in a particular fashion. You could represent the same data by arranging trillions of marbles floating in outer space and actively rearranging them (that would take a while though)...Enjoy going to sleep tonight knowing you will never wake up :)
>>16778622If we weren't so stubborn about us being us, I'm sure we would have seen things differently. Having a profound sense of self seems to be a good survival mechanism, but its a really bad angle from which to derive what's really going on behind the curtains. Yes, life and death seem to be opposites in some shape or form. But calling 'nothing' the opposite of life is a bit too much. Life is restrained by many boundaries. And then there's the question about their significance. We may one day be surprised to discover that death has simply cast a huge shadow on wall all along.
>>16780439That’s the scientific consensus anon :|
>>16778705What do you mean?
>>16778693How do you know that anon, that’s my biggest question are genuinely lying for interest or are you coping with reality like me with some delusional thoughts ?
>>16780504He's just talking, you aren't born after your brain dies and I don't know why anyone would wanna shill that or shill the fact that we're stuck in this negative cycle but we aren't and only a jackass, negative person would say something like that or think that or tryda tell people that. The video is literally posted in this thread where people have pre-birth memories where they remember planning their life. And yes people actually do know that from Near Death experiences. When you die, usually a deceased loved one or relative or guide will come and transition you back to the other side. You'll have a life review then rejoin your soul group. Your soul group is the people you usually reincarnate and plan lives with. The lives you plan and the lessons you learn are based on karma and your past lives. Everyone has to participate in this to evolve but you reincarnate when you're ready to. If a soul comes too early or decides to come then backs out this usually causes a stillbirth. What do you think ghosts and guides are? They are souls just like us. If that was the case there would be none of that cause they'd all be in a body. Don't listen or follow anything that's fear based, judgement based or suffering based. This isn't a prison planet or a punishment. This is a school and you're here because you chose to be and made a plan to come here and that's the just the simple truth whether people wanna accept it or not. You did this.
>>16780504hello anon, i feel the same way. i am dying (hehe..) to know. :( actually kind of freaking out right now. i hope you're doing okay. >>16780538do you really, truly believe this? i feel like i am open-minded enough (and i know little enough about the subject) to believe almost anything, as long as i have reason to... do you really believe there is life after death? i really really want to believe.
>>16778622No, the soul loves on, in Heaven or hell. Jesus is real and alive.
>>16778823Thank you anon, this made me feel better. I hope you're having a good night. ^^<3 Before I go to bed, how confident are you (that we have sounds) on a scale of 1-10?
>>16781008*Souls. Not sounds..
>>16778811dumb low IQ narcissistic broads who think they've solved what actual genius men who actually studied this shit their entire lives have never been able to solve.
>>16778823The Statistical Anomaly: Having 0.2% of the population generate such remarkably consistent conflict patterns across radically different cultures, time periods, and continents is statistically improbable for organic evolution. The persistence of the same problematic traits despite repeated negative consequences suggests intentional experimental parameters rather than natural cultural development.The Conclusion: The Jews exist as a deliberately designed experimental variable to stress-test human social systems and provide data on group conflict dynamics, rather than being a naturally evolved culture. Their unique characteristics (fictional calendar origins, material-obsessed timing, nepotism-on-steroids, comical-looking skulls, large noses, shortness, etc.) serve the experimental purpose of creating controlled friction across diverse environments.
>>16778627pure copium
>>16781012It's terrifying to think about death, but all we can say for now is that this is a coping mechanism that's kinda sad, not stupid, honestly..
>>16781004How do you know that, Anon? How can you be so sure? Muslims are saying the same thing, and for them, you're going to hell. There are BILLIONS of them, Anon. I'm still scared of death because of the scientific consensus. People who work their whole lives on this question say there's absolutely nothing beyond our physical existence. Yes, I want to cry...
>>16781152I'm crying too ;_;
>>16778622> if someone is born with the same brain architecture as me, would they be me ?Fucking retard.
>>16781445shut up you bigot
>>16778823You have no idea how long Jews have debated this. Even during the time of Jesus there were people denying the afterlife and the existence of souls.
>>16778858Not him but materialism does not explain the nature of good and evil, consciousness and beyond. Science is the study of the material while religion is a way to explain the unexplainable. By focusing just on science you have an incomplete view of the universe. You need Reason, Science and God to have a full picture of the universe. Anyone who denies the other is either a propagandist or an idiot.
>>16781475>materialism does not explain the nature of good and evil, consciousness and beyond.Of course not, but neither does idealism.> Science is the study of the materialNo, it isn't.> religion is a way to explain the unexplainableNo, it isn't. You can't explain the unexplainable, by definition.>You need Reason, Science and God to have a full picture of the universeGod doesn't exist, so I don't see how thinking about God helps here.
I believe in some sort of afterlife simply because the alternative is an intellectual dead end. Ok, so let's settle on all life returning to nothing. Where does that lead you? What possible revelations can you draw from this besides "I should continue eating and shitting"?
>>16781522Ok, so let's settle on all souls returning to a magical paradise where they get to spend eternity at God's side. Where does that lead you? What possible revelations can you draw from this besides "I should continue eating and shitting"?
>>16781530For starters, that contrary to tenets of biology, life doesn't need to be inherently selfish. That maybe our interactions with others are more than 200k years of pack instincts gone wild. That maybe your body pushing you towards greed is wrong.You know, all those things that an average 4channer will call "cuck mentality" out of sheer panic that he might need to do some introspection.
>>16781538Not a single one of these things follows from the premise that there's an afterlife. Try again.
>>16781540No, I don't think I will. You're a bad actor.
>>16781541Concession accepted. The premise of an afterlife has no relevant implications without also accepting your retarded kike-on-a-stick religion or some other arbitrary set of assumptions.
>>16781546Yeah, as I said, introspection is not something your lot tends to do. You are literally acting high and mighty while behaving like the most stereotypical fedora meme.
>>16781551Every post of yours screams "I'm a biobot with no qualia". Explain what kind of "introspection" is necessary for the logical leap from "there is an afterlife" to any of that wank you wrote. There will be no answer. You lack the minimal self-awareness needed to figure out the irrational process by which your false premise lead you to your false conclusion.
>>16781559There will be no answer becaue you're a bad actor. It's not a debate when you yourself are too terrified to present your own side and only seek to poke holes in the other.>but my side is that I'm a biorobot who vanishes after death!Ok, you go enjoy that.
>>16781568>There will be no answerCalled it. You're a biobot with zero self-reflection. You can't keep track of the mental processes (if any) that take you from your premise to your conclusion.
>>16781578>grabbing my keywords to sling back in a reply, nevermind if they fitOk nevermind, I'm arguing with gpt.
>>16781588Notice how your biobot automatonism forces you to keep addressing me, but at no point will you make an attempt to reflect on the mental processes (if any) that take you from your premise to your conclusion and help progress the discussion. You're a sub-GPT dialogue tree variant. There's no preprogrammed response for my asking you to self-reflect, hence you're stuck in a dead end forever. :^)
>>16778622Inane babble formed by secular academicist brainrot. Think more clearly about metaphysics and realize how little there is we actually know about anything.>>16781559>Explain what kind of "introspection" is necessary for the logical leap from "there is an afterlife" to any of that wank you wrote.Metaphysical implications of eternal consequences and universal oneness. Jeez that sure was hard. NTA btw.
>>16781631>Metaphysical implications of eternal consequences and universal oneness.Literally a broken LLM. That was not a coherent reply. Try again.
>>16781633No, it was perfectly coherent. There are implications of a God that actively oversees this Universe and acts on conscious intent compared to one bereft thereof.
