this is probably the most important scientific knowledge
>bro like did you know fluids have waves?!?!????!??!Yeah. Truly the most important science knowledge I, and most humans, discover as a fucking child. You're either shockingly mentally crippled or high as hell.
>>16779032I knew you wouldn't get it. that's why you're 100% clueless about this knowledge. you think I'm talking about one thing when I'm showing you another thing, and you don't even care to find out what it is. pure pleb
>>16779032daddy been fucking your ass again.
>>16779029Bad weather is caused by alien spacecraft?
>>16779029Turbulence being turbulence?
This is actually the case. What is the knowledge being implied?"We live in a dynamic system comprised of entities that mutually interact and influence each other whose interactions cannot be reduced to linear and mechanistic cause and effect, but probable trends can be extrapolated and tested."The first animation specially evokes the concept of "emergence," a concept closely related to "creativity." The history of the universe as described in the modern sciences describes a universe that is radically creative and produces "novel complexity" which also means "increasing depth of beauty and relationships."This is a radical departure from the classical Cartesian-Newtonian universe.Eventually when you integrate all the operations you get "The universe is a society of co-creators including all entities." What is implied is a perspective similar to animism in vibes and values without necessitating that all entities are "conscious" or have some supernatural essence. What is implied is a category of world-interpretations that are called process-relational in philosophy, meaning that they start with change and interconnectedness (reciprocal influence) as the ground of reality, as opposed to independent existence as in classical Western thought.Systems thought has been mostly a quiet and unnoticed revolution when it has had profound influence. Biologist Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring helped greatly to catalyze the 60's environmentalist movement and it was powered by the newly developing field of ecology using the framework of an "ecosystem." Ecosystemic and environmentalist thought had a huge influence on politics, as it shifted public perception towards policy and language that talked about "interdependence." Technological and communicative advancements also helped to forge the perception of an interdependent world where what goes on somewhere affects other places.
>>16779127And yet your historical analysis of the ecosystem only focuses on a single entity. So much for interdependence.
>>16779128Bot reply.
>>16779127Several AI slop detectors all say this post 0% AI, which actually means it's AI-generated and then retardedly "humanized" to always steer way, way clear of tokens a LLM might generate, even if they're the same ones a person would pick.
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>>16779149Or some of us just like to read.
>>16779157>principia discordia>baudrillardPure pseud wank. Half your bookshelf is retarded. Either great bait or go fuck yourself.
>>16779162Read more books Zoomer.
>>16779164I read great books. What I don't read is pseud garbage like:>BRO WE LIVE IN LE MATRIX LOL>BRO LIKE EVERYONES A LE POPE CUZ ERIS LOLFuck off you dumb faggot. You got like 2 actual good books there and the rest is mental masturbation nonsense for pseuds.
>>16779168You got mad at two books for merely being on a shelf and you flipped out into a rage.That's an objective description of events independent from your feelings about it.
>>16779157>the relevant book is actually on the shelfOk. So maybe I'm wrong. But you do sound like ChatGPT trying to explain the absolute bare basics of Whitehead and making huge logical leaps as you read into OP.
>>16779171Not mad. It's giving me second hand embarrassment.>Heh. Some of us true intellectuals, like myself, read. Let me show off my collection, you poor pleb.>shows principia discordia and baudrillard and slop of all kindsFucking humiliating if you're sincere. If this is bait then 8/10.
>>16779162Name something Baudrillard was wrong about. Protip: you literally can't.
>>16779175It's probably because of words like "co-creativity" and "interdependence" that LLMs love to use, especially when referencing things like "the nature of reality."The reason for this is that the meta-pattern in all the sciences and fields of knowledge in the data highly collectively suggests "the basic nature of reality is dynamic and interdependent" and LLMs reflect this as the most likely category of reply.
>>16779127What do you think of dependent origination in Buddhism and Carlo Rovelli's relational quantum mechanics?
>>16779189No, it was more the way you managed to reduce the subject matter into a husk that reads like something from a lazy pop-sci magazine for preteens. The form is maximally generic and the substance is nearly absent, but at least you managed to invoke a million buzzwords. Either way, it's pretty funny how long it took Western civilization to move beyond technogrug's Clockwork Universe and arrive at conclusions that other cultures have been exploring extensively for thousands of years. And pretty sad how quickly it dropped it and went right back to Clockwork 2.0 (quantum magic version), with some "emergent phenomena" nonsense cope sprinkled on top.
>>16779182Because he said nothing. Nothing but word salad and pseudopoetry. Philosophy? What a joke.
>>16779208Notice how I correctly predicted your utter inability to engage with the subject matter. He said a whole bunch of stuff and he was right. You just don't know any of it because you're a functionally illiterate tardwinger.
>>16779168people who miss the point would consider some books as pointless.
>>16779211>bro what if like the map was like all that was real man and like people just forgot what the real version was like whoah dudeMaybe if you're a fucking pseud or a stoner this seems profound. Name one thing this stupid douchebag ever said that waa true.
>>16779200You're expecting effort on 4chan when my 3 paragraphs are more than what 99% post.If you wanted deeper engagement with the ideas presented, you could have engaged with me discussing them.Instead you flipped out and called me a faggot.This is why nobody posts paragraphs except if they are to call someone a faggot.
>>16779223>>bro what if like the map was like all that was real man and like people just forgot what the real version was like whoah dudeThat's Borges. But at least you don't deny being a tardwinger. Maybe you're mad because Baudrillard's analysis nails the nature of your "culture" perfectly.
>>16779224You could have actually said something in those 3 paragraphs. Also I didn't flip out on you. I think that was the tardwinger. I only called you a bot. :^)I'm not really sure what to say about Whitehead except that he manages to make it all so much more complicated than it really is, because he was still trying to shoehorn it into something like Western analytical thinking, which is wholly unsuitable for it.
>>16779238Your critique of Whitehead is actually one I share: he failed because he couldn't bridge his world of analytical abstraction with lived experience. As a result he invented his secular "God" that would serve as a receptacle for endlessly cherishing dead things.In "Whitehead's Radically Temporalist Metaphysics" George Allen attempts to rectify this problem and in the process replaces Whitehead's God with the idea of an "ultimate community."Cosmos-as-community was the original spirituality of humanity, termed "animism" by Westerners as if it was a metaphysical claim about things having souls. This Lakotan prayer describes the intuitive spirituality the dry philosophy references:>Aho Mitakuye Oyasin. All my relations. I honor you in this circle of life with me today. I am grateful for this opportunity to acknowledge you in this prayer.>To the Stars, for the ultimate gift of life, I thank you.>To the mineral nation that has built and maintained my bones and all foundations of life experience, I thank you.>To the plant nation that sustains my organs and body and gives me healing herbs for sickness, I thank you.>To the animal nation that feeds me from your own flesh and offers your loyal companionship in this walk of life, I thank you.>To the human nation that shares my path as a soul upon the sacred wheel of Earthly life, I thank you.>To the Spirit nation that guides me invisibly through the ups and downs of life and for carrying the torch of light through the Ages. I thank you.>To the Four Winds of Change and Growth, I thank you.>You are all my relations, my relatives, without whom I would not live. We are in the circle of life together, co-existing, co-dependent, co-creating our destiny. One, not more important than the other. One nation evolving from the other and yet each dependent upon the one above and the one below. All of us a part of the Great Mystery.>Thank you for this Life.
>>16779233>brings up politics out of nowhere>does not bring up one thing this clown said that was correctYeah I figured as much. I'll accept your concession.
>>16779238>>16779238Also sometimes it requires overcomplicating things and phenomenon that are "obvious" in order to make aspects of them overlooked, or to find ways towards imagining a more adequate framework.Whitehead was explicitly sensitive about bridging the intellectual and historical past with the present and future. In adventures of ideas he warned about societies implementing new ideas before they could cultivate the customs necessary to sustain them.Whitehead was very ahead of his time, but he wasn't privileged by the decades of scientific revolution following him. But he can still serve as a useful gateway towards learning process-relational thought, which to be true to itself isn't a doctrine, but a style.
>>16779266I just realized the accept your concession is just the same annoying know nothing faggot in every thread. Endless cope and getting btfo out and all he does his whinge and whinge.
>>16779295>name one thing he said that was true>ur a right wing retard bro >ur him cuz only one person in the world uses a common phraseMega cope. All this time and you still have yet to just refute me by showing one single thing Baudrillard said that was true. That is very telling.
>>16779316The gulf war won't happen, the gulf war isn't happening, and the gulf war didn't happen.
>>16779358But the Gulf War did happen. So what the fuck is your point? This is something I'd have given of an example where he said really ignorant and retarded shit. Are you making my point for me?
