There was life on Mars editionPrevious thread: >>16778123
>Not click bait. Oh dear certainty not!
Things getting real.
SPEHS!
>>16782163MUH REENZ!
>>16782162Chinese ethnicity too?
>>16782165"Chinese nationals" but just to be safe, might as well round up everybody. Lots of naturalized and ethnic spies have been caught in other industrial and military sweeps.
>>16782158What do we think of him /sfg/? I need an opinion update.
>>16782167lol you'll lose the AI war without them
https://youtu.be/6LSlu-QYBWc?feature=sharedIsar shows their factory.
>>16782162>chinese have been allowed to work at nasa until nowwhat the fuck
>>16782199They are within our academic institutions as well
>Get arrested for being a Chinese spy>Scientists protest he's innocent>Gets deposited and immediately becomes the Red Chinese von Braun, making nuclear tipped ICBMs pointed at AmericaThis is why the Red Scare was an excellent idea, and why you should never be sad when a scientist dies in a sci-fi movie.
>>16782209Could just mean that he is a rocket fan like Von Braun who has no qualms about working for whomever as long he is building rockets.
I admire some Chinese, the super high IQ ones are based as fuck and just want to advance space science like a bro, they are not political spies, but simply nerds with fuck this gay Earth dreams like us. Think about it, their huge population makes it likely someone will shit out a 150+ IQ autist who really can help us conquer space. Even if its a poo, or a potentially nation-destroying traitor suspect chink or russian. If they are in the know, smoking weed with the other scientists talking about work, they are vetted.And this is coming from the self appointed CEO of Racism, I don't want the shitty ones here, but the super based people from ANY culture are an absolute treasure and we should snap them up and give them shiny things to stay here, on OUR TEAM. ITAR be fucked, we just want to win
>>16782215yellow communist hands typed this post
>>16782209America built itself off the back of flagrantly violated British steam patents. This is just part of the new cycle of empires. Rising empire takes technological knowledge from the old. Instead of crying about the chinoids how about just do better?
>>16782219Sorry, but you have to go back.
>>16782221>t. lives in a collapsing empire
>>16782209Regardless of his innocence being deported is an excellent reason to do all your best to catch up with those that kicked you out. If you really think someone's a spy you don't deport them, you imprison them.
>>16782219>violated British steam patentsqrd
>>16782224The US placed him under house arrest for 5 years to let his technical knowledge age out, then kicked his spy ass back over the Great Wall.Should have just shot him for being a traitor and charged his family for the bullet.
>>16782113same, also my appearance has synchronized with how the ships look after reentry
>>16782219>British steam patents
>>16782153>>16782158
>>16782165>Chinese nationalsUnless Democrats are in charge it won't be a repeat of the Japanese internment camps.
>>16782219>British steam patentslol and lmao and enjoy your Londelhi
>>16782209NB: Red China made a propaganda movie about him:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDXrDXuDp9E
get their asses
The first flight model of Galactic Energy's Pallas 1 RLV seems more or less fully assembled, their previously announced maiden launch date of Late October doesn't seem possible, but maybe they can do a static fire this year.
>>16782153>It requires carbon intake -- food -- that had to come up from Earthso you plan to just let that food we need to bring anyway go to waste? why not use it to produce a little extra methane on the side? and as your lunar colony grows you'll only end up producing more and more waste anyways.
>>16782271Because recycling takes time, money, space and effort. That's why almost all of us say "not my problem" and toss the soda cans in the trash instead of taking them back for $0.01.Cheap lift ala SpaceX makes shaving ounces with recycling pointless.
>>16782271>failquotehow embarrassing for you>let food go to wasteeither there will be very few people and processing their breath to make carbon would be ridiculous because the equipment would weigh more than the carbon it producedor if there are a large number of people, you'd use the CO2 to grow plants and reduce the amount of food sent from Earththere's no "waste tons of precious carbon" scenario
>>16782177Kind of an idiot. Doesn't really understand what he's talking about most of the time. Had the anti-mars grifter cartoonists on his show
>>16782273It's definitely not cheap dude. It's "cheaper" not "cheapCheap would be I can buy a ticket and go to the moon for less than it costs to buy a house. something you can reasonably save up for. Launching 10-16 times to launch one moon rocket is not going to be cheap. It's not going to cost 4 billion, but it's not going to cost a couple hundred thousand either. If it costs 100mil to launch starship once, that's still something like 1-1.6billion for one single moon mission. You'd have to take 50-100 people to get the per seat price down to something that moderately rich people can afford. >>16782276food shipments from earth would never stop anon. There are always going to be things people will pay to get from earth. things they can't get on the moon because they simply don't have the infrastructure to make it. The only way they would stop sending food is if you are at the point where the moon is completely self sufficient and can produce every single kind of food you can make on earth. that isn't happening any time soon. Even in the really long term there would be trade between earth and the moon. one of the things earth has to trade is going to be food.Think about dairy for example. Sure you can bring up almonds and onions beans but you can't make real cheese from almonds now can you? you need an entire dairy industry on the moon to make reasonably priced cheese. beef too. you can only eat so many vegan hamburgers before you go insane. A shipment of cheese and beef from earth would be a time for celebration for a lunar outpost
>>16782240>>16782258Sure and that’s fine. So don’t cry when turnaround happens to you.
>>16782286>food shipments from earth would never stop anon. There are always going to be things people will pay to get from earthdamn, I hope this lil nigga learns to read some day>reduce the amount of food sent from Earth
>>16782286>Cheap is blah blah blah...SpaceX has a goal of Starship cargo at $10,000 per ton. That's in the same range as commercial air cargo on Earth. That's what cheap is.
>>16782295>>reduce the amount of food sent from EarthI'm gonna be honest I don't think it would reduce so much as grow as the colony grows. >>16782296multiplied over 10 launches?
>>16782298Per ton, per flight to LEO.
>its boring againname the next starship the charlie kirk or something
Another CZ-10 test article static fire planned for tomorrow.
>>16782296>That's what cheap is.Something that will never happen?
Blorg flight-2 NET 29 September.We might be entering the critical two week period soon.
>>16782340What's the flight plan? Putting anything into orbit? Just a gayass test?
>>16782344escapade innit
>>16782344Two NASA orbiters to Mars.
>>16782352>>16782353>Mars arrival set for September 2027long ass trip
>>16782352>>16782353shartX in shambles
>>16782230early US economy was suffering when they lost access to British goods especially mechanical tools so they copied whatever they could regardless of patents.
>>16782355that’s one way of looking at it. the other way is if you use a fuckoff big rocket and take a slowish transfer, you don’t even have to consider transfer windows
>>16782273Actually I tried to figure it out once, and a soda can is worth more like 2 - 3 cents, if it's already crushed, at a proper recycling center and not just behind Billy Bob's country storeSo I crush my cans at home, which makes them easier to keep around. I have three recycling bins full right now, working on a fourth, and I'll get paid enough for a good lunch.For the local weekly recycling pick-up from my trash service I give my steel food cans and paper. I know that the paper is essentially trash, but it'll go somewhere better than the landfill.
>>16782335If Starship becomes "The DC-3 of Space" then those are the numbers. LEO delivery becomes as cheap as air freight. Takes years and hundreds of flights to get up the learning curve for that, but it's not physically impossible.
>>16782340Late october/early november according to UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory, who run Escapade
>>16782390the thing that galls me is they could be doing that right nowforget about stage two reusability. just fucking reconfigure Starship so it can be gutted out and used as a fab/hab module once it's up therejesus fuck, people are dense, even the most analytical have stupid blindspotsI despair
>>16782402They still haven't got the second stage reliable enough yet to let it go into orbit. They need to be sure that it has enough control that it won't randomly come down in a populated area.After they have one or two proper orbital missions they will start launching Starlinks from it while they try to land it for recovery. You know, just like how things went with F9.
>>16782410their latest one orbited and launched satellite shapesfull reusability is a spookbuild fucking space Las Vegas and space Taiwan already
>>16782412>their latest one orbitedFalse. It was on a ballistic re-entry profile just like every other Starship flight. They might not go full orbital until the second V3 flight.
>>16782412>their latest one orbitedmost literate muskboi
>>16782177He's pretty smart, especially on astronomy topics
>>16782261the recent Terrance Tao interview about the cosmic distance ladder was excellent. This kind of composite of a lunar eclipse was a way to double-check the circumference of the earth once the lunar orbit was known
One slight problem. ESA can't land on Mars.
Imagine how shitty the future is going to be if we still have national countries by the time we colonize the solar system. Can't wait for China and USA to nuclearize each other over who owns Ganymede
>>16782153I just went on the Starship wiki.>26 Feb: S37 NC stacked on PL:3 creating N:3>16 August: S39 nosecone stacked on payload section PL:3, creating N:3It's over.... if it takes S39 as long as S37, S39 will fly at 13th February 2026. No V3 this year, only 5 FIVE flights this year which means 2025 will only have one more Starship flight than 2024
https://spacenews.com/the-grief-of-a-fandom-on-starship-musk-and-losing-the-spark/
>>16782445>by Europlanetwtf is Europlanet anyhow?
>>16782498shit article based comments
>>16782498>Why do people defend someone who has done things that are frankly terrible?Female (trans) writer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZTViOXyU7s
>>16782524
>>16782153Ukraine bros.... It's over......https://nitter.net/NASASpaceflight/status/1966171830135443664#m
>>16782530lmao the author is actually trans btw
>>16782536The scolds lecturing you are always bent.
>>16782538these mentally ill freaks need to be completely ignored other than the occasional reminder to fuck off
>>16782199NASA has the unpopular task of doing science AND engineeringAnd there are plenty of Chinese national SCIENTISTS working in the US, which are no threat to anybody and a net benefit to mankind. As long as they aren't working on ITAR restricted items what's the harm?
>>16782530>>16782538>fat tits>wide motherly hips>fat thighsyall sure shes a tranny?
>>16782539ignoring them is why we are in this mess. they need to be locked up in the Asylums.
>>16782534Did the rocket die or something?
>>16782548>wide motherly hips"Her" shoulders are a little wider.
>>16782402That's good enough for Lunar base, but for Mars you need full heatshieldgranted, it can be ablative for 1-way cargo ships, but you will have to figure it out sooner or later
>>16782177I like the interviews he does, it's just straight to the point, no fast ADHD edits. You don't get a lot of that kind of content in spacetube.
>>16782280>the anti-mars grifter cartoonistsSMBC kikes?
>>16782669yes
>>16782546fuck off back to chinarr
>>16782591fuck a gravity wellthe future is in spehs
>>16782209>and why you should never be sad when a scientist dies in a sci-fi movie.I'm never sad because they present themselves as more noble than the rest of society, but when war time hits I would rather be at the end of a enemy soldier's muzzle than be on an enemy scientist's table.
That's certainly one of the more notable case of astronaut swelling
>>16782695Became even more Chinese
>>16782695That can't be comfortableI wonder if they make a compression mask for astronauts
>>16782402this is the most retarded idea and I'm tired of seeing it. Why the FUCK would you gut a perfectly good starship? what if something goes wrong and your ride home crashes and burns, gets tipped over, or otherwise damaged in some way that prevents it from being safe to fly? Having a spare ship or two is just a GOOD IDEA in general. Not to mention excess starships would make great propellant tanks to store fuel, since, yknow, that's what they were designed to do? imagine cutting up a perfectly good propellant tank and then going "well fuck, guess we'll have to build a propellant tank now, if only we had brought one with us, oh well guess we'll just start up a steel refinery and make one". You could also use the perfectly good tanks to store other fluids like, i dunno, water? Then there is the other glaringly obvious thing. You can just deploy inflatable habitats from starship. ready made with very little work to setup. A habitat designed to be deployed quickly and be ready to use as soon as possible.Compare that to the starship habitat idea, which requires tipping over a ship (which is designed for vertical compressive loads, not horizontal compressive loads! great idea!) then spending a fuck load of time and oxygen setting up the interior and supports to prevent the thing from collapsing under the weight of all the regolith shielding, then cutting into the fuel tanks (weakens the structural integrity) and converting the entire thing it into a pressure vessel capable of maintaining atmosphere somehow even though the ship is really only designed to maintain atmosphere in the crew compartment (this is all handwaved).It's not nearly as simple as you think it is and you wouldn't be wasting ships on habitats anyway because all that steel can be reused for other, more important things if you really feel like scrapping a ship. steel isn't exactly easy to get on the moon after all.
>>16782695so the difference between being a chad and being a basedboy is gravity?
>>16782705>what if something goes wrong and your ride home crashes and burns...ride? there are capsules for that already, four monkeys can ride in one very comfortably, with snacks and onboard entertainment>great propellant tanks to store fuelcorrect, I didn't dispute that>You can just deploy inflatable habitats from starshipabsolutely. three or four of them probably, and use the rocket's body for a hub, why not>horizontal compressive loads!from what?>regolithyou plan on covering inflatable modules in rubble instead?>cutting into the fuel tanksyou can make them easy to take out with some judicious engineering>converting the entire thing it into a pressure vessel capable of maintaining atmosphere somehowspray-on foam, layer of mylar, layer of kevlar weave, done. only needs to hold in 1 atmosphereunless you are making chips in there in which case a vacuum is preferable>on the moonwhy the fuck would anyone go back into a gravity well when he just escaped from another?
>>16782705>starship which is designed for vertical compressive loads, not horizontal compressive loads! How does a Starship reenter the atmosphere? On its side. Where are the loads? On the side.
I miss when I was a kid and space looked like this in my head.
>>16782712>why the fuck would anyone go back into a gravity well when he just escaped from another?>when he just escaped>heI enjoy the discussion here, but tidbits like this remind me that spaceflight is exclusively male, as it should be and will always remain. A lot of (You) assholes out there should be helping the cause, but are in the orbit of some retarded female.Break free, the female offers nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLC-B4dBGFw
>>16782734I read titbits as titties which is exactly why I can't stop thinking about women. I'm also not smart enough to contribute anything of worth so whatever
>>16782695What atmospheric pressure do Chinese EVA suits operate at? If the current gen feitian chinksuit operates at >1atm like current US EVA suits do then I bet this dood can’t even see lmao
you want to reuse the 2nd stage because fuel costs are fucking nothing
>>16782827Fuel costs (on the ground) are fucking nothingFuel costs in orbit range from "more than gold" to "unobtanium"
>>16782830fuel cost in orbit is 100x fuel cost on earth since thats what it takes to lift it up
>>16782830>>16782834which is why we need fuel manufacturing on the moon.
>>16782780same as Orlan, 0.4bar/5.8psi
>>16782834If we find a rich carbon deposit on the moon (yes I am hand waving but a man can dream) then the economics of producing fuel and oxidizer on the lunar surface and pushing it out to LEO might just work out
billionaires could be paying for a sample return mission to confirm alien life for real but they'd rather buy a fifth bunker to ride out climate change insteadwhat a joke
>>16782871Literally 0 return on investment, not even your name attached for something that is 50/50 to be a nothingburger but requires billions even if you want to try to do it cheap but with raw r&d
>>1678288150/50 for nothingburger or your name to be remembered for all of history instead of being a forgotten footnote somewhere
>>16782162How will "the smart asians" get ahead if they can't steal ideas from the west?
Climate change and Santa Claus are two equally real threats.
>>16782884People will remember “Perseverance” and “Cheyava Falls” and “NASA,” not jeff bezos or jared isaacman or whoever is dumb enough to front an expensive fucking robotic mission that will be solved regardless in the near 30 years once humans get there and investigate thousands of equally-as-interesting rocks on site
Chinese NASA spy is a cute!
>>16782890Santa Claus has a documented kill count as a result of providing lawn darts and other dangerous toys to children, and is a well attested historical person
>>16782868Even simpler, if it takes 10 tanker trips to bring up a full load, that's 10x cost.But even more important, with a FULL Starship at LEO you can go anywhere.
>>16782919You have very low standards
>>16782721Space does look like that except for the pastel colors
>>16782948This isn’t how it looks IRL, by the way
>>16782948The moon is all rounded soft looking hills. Looks unwholesome
>"potential biosignatures in Mars" reveal>just so happens to show up around the time NASA budget is getting slashed>study was also from months agoThat's quite the convenient moment.I'm not even implying this was a forgery or anything, more like an embellished result with sensationalistic coverage.
>>16782956>says he likes space>can't handle the most basic alien environmentsyou're weak
>>16782948the universe is way too gray :(
Expendable Starship is literally retarded.Need to let that shit go now cause it's never ever gonna happen.The whole point of it is full reuse amortization to lower $/kg to orbit.Everything less will be failure and not Elon nor Gwynne would allow it.Either the company fails or Starship is fully reusable.If you want a expensive expendable rocket look no further than Falcon Heavy or New Glenn.There would be no point to building Starship. It would not be made of stainless were it expendable. It would not look anything like it does.It's not happening
>>16782153Okay come on, after sleeping on it this is absolutely just a fucking rock that has undergone some sort of geochemical reaction. These do not look like cell colonies. These are splotches of iron oxide precipitate/concretion with reaction rings of iron sulfide>erm the presence of Greigite doesn't align with the pressure and temperature range of current models of the Martian surface at the backdated time of deposition and lithification and therefore the only answer is that some retarded micro-colony alien species too dumb to effectively multiply took a last stand in a stream of water but then randomly suddenly just died out!No, actually your model is just wrong.
Cuckey Handjob was saying something about some magnet shit being evidence for life on mars.Has he gone fully schizo?
>>16782965
>>16782971You are coping. It is not happening no matter how much you post about it
>>16782973if expendable starship can do 300t to orbit in one launch and nasa has a 300t payload then spaceX will make an expendable starship.
>>16782973We'll see, Elon has talked about it before.
>>16782978Doesn't matter. There is no money in launch.Nasa has no 300 ton payloads.They would rather launch 100 tons of Starlink or methalox three times reusably
Starlink can never go public or Mars is dead. Hope Elon knows this
I don't think Nusantara Lima is ever going to launch. They should have held out for Ariane.
>>16782956The south pole is anything but soft looking hills that cliff at mons mouton is taller than the everest
>>16782442I for one am boggled by how ancient astronomers figured out like 456/3432 orbit precession ratios and shit with just their eyeballs and no modern math notation
>>16782981>There is no money in launch.why are companies investing in launch is there's no money in launch?
>>16782998Looks interesting
>>16782998hmmmmmmm cheese
>>16783000weapon systems
>>16783000Rocketlab is trying (and failing) to make their own D2C constellation.Everyone else is extremely far from breaking even let alone modest profits like Falcon 9
A range violating cloud just flew over my house!
>>16782981>Nasa has no 300 ton payloads.yeah because there's no launcher for it
>>16783040GET SCRUBBED GET SCRUBBED GET SCRUBBED
scrubtober
Could a multi-launch manned lunar architecture have been feasible in the 60's? It would make human exploration there slower/worse at first but using rockets made for commercial payloads and the possibility of using the capsules for LEO might make a lunar program survive for longer.
>>16783047No not really, if you are living in the circa 1960s and you decide to do something ambitious like go to the moon, and build a new rocket, you design the rocket to just do it in one go
>>16783044>>16783046psych! actually launched this time
Another one
This is a pretty interesting missionhttps://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/nusantara-5.htmSalvaged from a bankrupt Chinese firm, built on the cursed Boeing platform of sudden electrical system death. Good luck to Indonesia, they're going to need it
>>16783061>satellite deploy right at orbital sunrisehow do you say "kino" in Indonesian?
>>16782967Explain the geochemical reaction with your own model, then.
>>16782967shut up anon they found life why cant you just be happy for them????
>>16783057he can't keep getting away with this
thinking about getting starlink since they have a special right nowwhat do you think anons
>>16783112how much do you pay currently? would it be more/less? if you're not in a congested area it's rather good at the moment.
>>16783112I love my mini
>>16782861There will be carbon it's impossible for there not to be. It probably just needs to be dug down a couple feet and that's it.
>>16782933That's pretty standard for yellow fever guys
>>16782843>which is why we need fuel manufacturing in earth orbitftfy
>>16782948>space looks like that except for the part where it doesn't
>>16783130mining asteroids is not as viable or easy as mining the moon
>>16782965starship that stays in orbit and becomes part of a station or a long-range ship such as a Mars cycler is not "expended", it is just beginning its operational lifeI seriously despair of people, and this is not something that happened to me in a week or ttwo, my entire life I've been draggng myself through a morass of mental inertia
>>16783136the moon isn't made of carbonated ice, unlike the asteroids
>>16783138then use hydrogen for your mars cycler you ninny.none of this matters anyways since we will have antigrav ufo tech sooner or later
>>16783139anonwater ice is made of hydrogen and oxygen, which are the two things you need to push an efficient rocket arounda cycler can run carbon ion sustainer motors once it's been pushed up to speed by chemical rocketsI haven't done the math on it but you can probably get away with cyclers being solar powered
>>16783143>water ice is made of hydrogen and oxygenyeah no shit. guess what is available on the moon in abundance?>carbon ion you can use argon or xenon too?
>>16783148>what is available on the moon in abundance?silica dust? gravity?>you can use argon or xenon too?sure. but since you're breaking up chondrites for fuel, carbon comes free and it's useful for ion engines and nuclear reactors and CO2 that plants need and so on
>>16783149anon you are going to mars. Mars has a co2 atmosphere. you dont need to bring the carbon with you to mars. If you need to go to the outer solar system you can just drop by mars orbit for a pick me up.
>>16783151I am going to SPEHS, I need carbon to sustain an ecological cycle and an economyif you wanna hang out on Mars that's fine, you can hop on one of my cyclers as it swings by Earth and I'll rent you a lander
>>16782153The fact that the inorganic explanation is less likely than it just simply being old microbes makes me certain there's gotta be life buried somewhere in there.
>>16783143>a cycler can run carbon ion For efficiency, Ion drives/thrusters prefer lower atomic number fuel for faster exhaust, and for practical engineering, they prefer non reactive elements. Carbon is terrible at both. Noble gases like xenon or kryptonite hit the sweet spot. Higher mass fuels can give higher thrust at lower efficiency, Mercury was used back in the early days, but the problems out weigh that benefit in real world use. Carbon C60 has been suggested as a potential higher thrust fuel, but C60 requires processing to separate out of a sea of C16 or to synthesize.
>>16783211the thruster itself would be made of carbon-carbon and/or carbon nanotubesfullerene is not hard to make or separate
Choose, but choose wisely.Note the cost column. One of the reasons SpaceX is developing Argon thrusters for Starlink is fuel cost.
>>16783220note the low ionization energyunderstand that you can use concentrated sunlight (of which there is no shortage in SPEHS) to make fullerene out of graphitehttps://research-hub.nrel.gov/en/publications/production-of-fullerenes-with-concentrated-solar-flux-2
>>16782957this wasn't new its just that they have studied it more i guessconvenient timing though lol
>>16783221Carbon C60 even occurs naturally. The problem is concentrating. That's why it's so relatively expensive. 2300 times the cost of Argon means it's not a practical fuel.
>>16782965yeah they will iterate until it works, simple as thatperhaps there will be a slow reuse version in the meantime that is used to launch stuff as well, but it will just be one of the development versions SpaceX has plenty of revenue coming in from starlink and now a massive new potenial market with DTC
>>16783226brehyou just need sunlight, graphite and a gas centrifuge that can operate around 850Cthe vacuum of SPEHS is free, and so is the sunlightnot really a tall order
>>16783229The gas centrifuge is by far the most expensive and difficult part of that
>>16783232yes, but not prohibitive (it's a fixed cost anyway), no engineering problems in making it either
>>16783000because launch enables getting into markets that actually make money (satellites) and give them an advantage through lower total cost and more control
>>16783238also SpaceX is already looking into going into other markets, for instance on orbit manufacturingso into the same market Varda is in
>>16783224it's the NASA way to bend the knee, they are hitching their future to Elon's Mars program
Why would Musk do this
>>16783241>musk CHOSE to sign the ordersWhat orders?
>>16783241this is your mind when high on deboonkum
>>16783243He's seething about the USAID funding being cut.
>>16783243order 66
>>16783241jesus this guy is retarded lmao
>>16782153I am an intragalactic traveler!! Get it? :D
>>16783252damn he's a real one
>>16782322320s of burn time with engine restarts test and TVC/Throttling test to test the recovery burns. This should be the last of Static fire before the flight test of the test article.
>>16783229>you just...And whatever follows is divorced from engineering reality. Always.
>>16783289I discard your reality and substitute it with minewhat's so hard about making a solar oven?
>>16783292C60 is selling for $11k per kilo. If it's so "just' easy, go make some in your backyard. There's sunlight and abundant carbon all around.
>Hello wonderful person. This is Anton, and uh, yeah it's aliens. But for real this time.Will we hear these words in our lifetime?
>>16783305my backyard doesn't have 24/7 direct unfiltered sunlight and is not in a vacuumunfortunately
>>16783321he will anhero before uttering such wordsit's easy to see that he is angry whenever he's deboonking, a believer disguised as a skeptic
>>16783321I think he disbelieves in aliens for religious reasons
>>16783321Anton sounds so dead inside.>It's probably aliens, but it's still SUPER excitingWell you don't sound very excited
>>16783375Probably not* aliens
We need to go back to this style.
>>16783395>gayass boring retard styleNah.
I hate cylinderfags so much. We will explore all this alien worlds and claim them as humanity's home. We will explore every cave and ravine and map out the entire surface. You will never live in space.
>Not Click Bait!
>>16783398we will live where-ever the fuck we want while you crawl like maggots on the surface of some dirty rock
>>16783400Kek
>>16783241>Musk CHOSE to kill 10 million peopleThis implies musk did some kind of analysis before shitting a major government aid (aka influence) programHe just shut it down because he thought it was kind of cringe
>>16783399Who gets science information from a woman?just... why?
Starbase flags at half staff to honor a fallen American hero and patriot
>>16783411Who?
>>16783411trollgo away
>>16783411>AmericanDon't you dare use that worthless word for a true, honorary Israeli warrior that died for the Jewish master race to keep thriving.
>>16783415I propose we put 2 flags on the pole. The more important one goes on top.Or, we could simply change the flag.>>16783413>>16783414These posters are huge fans of flags and all they represent. I'm sure they would fly the Mars flag, if that was an option
>>16783411real talk, where is the mars flag?
>>16783399I wonder what nutting in her deeply would feel like
>>16783423I have bad news for you.Turns out, suicidal empathy was the wrong approach.
>>16783414you are going on the no-mars list
>>16783411Did he do this after the assassination of an elected rep in Minnesota?
>>16783434assassinated by someone that was mad they were voting with the republicans
>>16783418>>16783434>>16783443
>>16783419In the photo, at half-staff
>>16783458Astronaut charlie camarda is in the replies saying something even worse lol
https://interestingengineering.com/space/starship-spacex-launch-test-flight>16 flights is extremely unlikely. Starship payload to orbit is ~150 tons , so max of 8 to fill 1200 ton tanks of lunar Starship.doomers btfo trust the plan moon return 2028 okay china will never win, cccp is a shit 1093190.1 american lunar colonists
>>16783458y they mud? pro gun n*g*er faggot got gunned down, he loved guns, where's the problem, they shuld be happy his dreame cum true, pro gun death
>>16782998starship flying low and slow over this region, livestreaming 4K HD
>>16783466>Without flaps & heat shield, Starship is much lighter. Lunar landing legs don’t add much (1/6 gravity). May only need 1/2 full, ie 4 tanker flights.doomers btfo entirely even more
>>16783466>These estimates are in stark contrast to those of the Government Accountability Office (GAO) and NASA, which place the number of tanker trips between sixteen and nineteen.>Much of this has to do with “boiloff,” a constant issue with cryogenic propellants that refers to the way they will sublimate due to minor temperature changes. Not only does this mean more tanker launches, but SpaceX will also need to launch tankers in quick succession to minimize boiloff. Though SpaceX plans to open a second Starship launch site at its Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, nineteen launches will be very difficult to pull off in a short space of time.oh fugg we might be cooked here
>>16783458absolutely based
>>16783456mars needs a territory or state flag if its going to be property of the US, pic related
https://spacenews.com/how-carrying-enough-water-to-make-return-trip-propellant-simplifies-a-starship-mission-to-mars/>The idea of a human mission to explore Mars has been studied repeatedly over the past 75 years. More than 1,000 piloted Mars mission studies were conducted inside and outside NASA between about 1950 and 2000. Many were the product of NASA and industry study teams, while others were the work of committed individuals or private organizations. I compiled a history of human mission studies through 2023. Essentially all of these mission design concepts were deemed impractical but now, if the SpaceX Starship proves flightworthy, new possibilities could finally emerge as the constraints on space travel change. To continue reading this article:Register now to get2 more free articles every month.You’ll also receive our weekly SpaceNews This Week newsletter every Friday. Opt-out at any time.Sign in to an existing accountGet unlimited access toSpaceNews.com now.As low as $5 per week*
>>16783480>$20 a month to read the newsa joke
>>16783483who the fuck do they think they are CNN?
>>16783485>>16783483>>16783480you do realize it's only a soft payload and that you can just cancel the page loading or ctrl-c before the paywall appears, right?
>>16783480>I propose a first human mission to Mars using the Starship with six crew members instead of 12, avoiding the need for indigenous Mars water and allowing a landing site right at the equator by having the crew ascend in a small capsule to a waiting Earth Return Vehicle in Mars orbit. Since only 40 tons of ascent propellant is needed, the crew can bring 18 tons of water from LEO and react it with 22 tons of Martian CO2 to produce 40 tons of ascent propellants. The whole mission is greatly simplified and the landing site can be at equatorial latitude. >It’s just like Goldilocks. NASA’s porridge is too cold. SpaceX is too hot. What I propose is just right.$20 a month for this?
>>16783480>>16783494I don't think SpaceX will send crew before there is already working infrastructure thereif they send water for propellant manufacturing, that would be in separate cargo shipsmight even make sense to send a specially made water-ship to then store future mined water as well (you could store it as ice somehow too I guess, design that into the ship)
>>16783466>Starship payload to orbit is16 tons. Anything else is cope until proven otherwise.
>>16783512https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPW3YikDwEM
>>16783466>Starship payload to orbit isa cute banana
>>16783521I wonder if some taught her about "banana for scale" afterwards
>>16783540Yeah, Me.
>>16783466>Starship payload to orbit is ~150 tons
new dreksler kino just droppedhttps://youtu.be/8I-8nURRelk
>b-21 raider is on-time and on-budget>looks kinoWtf I wasn’t familiar with your modern game, northrup. Perhaps I was too harsh on OmegA
>>16783569Northrop doesn't have much space to clown around. They'll happily drop down to just the big two.
>>16783247thank god. USAID never helped anyone anyway.. it's all nonsense.
>>167833212026-27
>>16783473zero boiloff tech for methane is lox is easy
>>16783480https://archive.is/20250912151033/https://spacenews.com/how-carrying-enough-water-to-make-return-trip-propellant-simplifies-a-starship-mission-to-mars/
>>16783578they didn't go far enough
>>16782153Space colonization is dangerous.
>>16783582You can't just use the water ice on Mars. You have to bring water from Earth because:>Seeing the (weak) sun would have remarkable psychological benefits for the crew. At 40° latitude, the weak sun is only 25 degrees above the southern horizon on Dec. 21. Have to assume the author has Dementia.
> Ascent propulsion at lower latitudes requires less propellantUsing local water ice, propellant is no longer a constraint.Author is the MOXIE experiment principle, so he's just got one horse and is going to ride it everywhere.
Ah, Rapp is a Class of '55 Alum. He's in his 90s.Dementia.
Pure Lefty Uni twaddle:>To realise this future, we must reclaim the narrative around outer space from powerful actors who use exclusionary language grounded in coloniality. Instead, we should move towards a more inclusive, relational and sustainable ethic of stewardship.>Otherwise, we risk repeating history and launching injustices into the cosmos, one rocket at a time.Includes the mandatory Maori section about their "wisdom".
>>16783625wait isn't Maori wisdom to eat your enemies and use the skulls for home decor?I am a little confused here, pls help me out.
>>16783628>wait isn't Maori wisdom to eat your enemies and use the skulls for home decor?we should bring some of them to mars
>>16783625how about notell them to go fuck themselves
>>16783625So sick of this nonsense. space is ours to conquer. diversity and inclusivity has been nothing but a disaster for western civilization and bringing it to space will doom the human race
I hate Redditors so much. They go on about how amazing it is that we have robots on Mars but hate the idea of actually going there because felon man bad. What's the deal with these people? That is not a normal way to act. I'm a racist anti-semitic sexist and yet I still tolerate and even speak highly of NASA's activities even though they have been Jewish and DEI since the 80s because I simply like space. What do these people like?
>>16783625Leftism is incompatible with spaceflight.
>>16783643>What do these people like?being mad. Although that's common on 4chan as well, it seems.
WHERE IS S38?!?!??!!
>>16783644leftism is incompatible with human society and civilization. the last 25 years have been a lesson. one to be heeded for many generations to come.
>>16783665Correct. Progressivism is self-destructive. Why did we have to be born in such gay times? Why couldn't I have been born in the 30s and died with hope for the future or be born in 2200 when we've move past the woke shit?
should i get a dob
>>16783669we will live to witness open contact of extra terrestrial beings. It will happen in our lifetimes. That is something to look forward to.
>>16783672Dob? Oh, dog. Sure, I like dobs.
Procedual craters in KSP
new Eager kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEfatzhHhvg
>>16783704>VLEONot spaceflight.
>LEONot spaceflight.
>earthspaceflight. its in space.
Cyberspace flight
errm, mr president, please re-nominate jared. thanks~
>>16783717never gonna happen, even if Elon gets on all fours and begs
jared is going to do the fly over for charlie's national funeral
>>16783750>national funeralcommie tier retardation. Please tell me you're joking.
>>16783750Patriot
>>16783762he was a trueamericanpatriot
>>16782153Does it feels like you had a teenagehood?
dead thread dead industry
>>16783628You specifically eat their brain to absorb their mana
NRO cafeteira today had a goddamn memorial sign outfuck this adminI want out
>>16783819Reported to Kash Patel
>>16783819Sorry anon but maybe you should reconsider things when your political tribe murders people who want open and sincere debate.
>>16783819when the Left is in power, prominent leftist figures are worshiped, when the Right is in power, prominent rightist figures are worshipedthats just how it be
>>16783819>NROwhats the status of starshield?
sir this is the spaceflight general
>>16783855shut up
>>16783819Good for them, rip Delta IV Heavy T•T
>>16783848Bullshit lefty don't simp for people like right wing people do
>>16783900G.F.
>>16783252>mfw
>>16783322you need to move to Flagstaff
>>16783900the left was simping for Eron Mursk long before the right got a hold of him. They also simp for school shooters as long as they are trans
>>16783900Next you are going to tell us the shooter was not a far left extremist.
>>16783909Tarkin should have stuck around for the rest of the movies. It was a mistake to kill him off.
>>16783900Uh, Luigi?
Matthew dominick participating in new training for lunar flight and landing procedures
>>16783944odst training or what
>>16783952door gunner / winch operator
>>16783944He better be on artemis 3, he is one of the best photographers NASA has ever sent to orbit
>>16783955>door gunnerour time is soon brothers
>>16783638>bringing it to spaceimpossible because that ideology can't send anything to space
>>16783974anon please. they will do what they have always done and shove themselves into it.Infiltration is their specialty.
I want so much trade both to and from Earth that our planet has a measurable mass difference from year to year
>>16783975space hardware is very very complicated and requires 100x more upkeep than anything else. There literally isn't any room to be a fag in space
>>16783903stand for George Floyd btw
>>16783983that would be so cool Kardesheev 0.3 type shi
>>16783983There will probably never be anything economically viable to trade
>>16783992Just like how our ancestors slaved away generation after generation building great cathedrals, we shall slowly export our atmosphere completely to Mars
what do we think of the chode starship that everyday soistronaut posted?
>>16784003I don't care what it looks like just build it
>>16784003i like it, less likely to tip over as a bonus. more complex architecture though
>>16783819Fuck you commie scum.
>>16784007kek true
>exclusionary language They're just mad no indigenous tribes claim land on Mars like they do on the moon so the space explorers don't have to do land acknowledgementsIt really is that stupid
>>16784029If they want to be included, they should build rockets. Simple as.
>>16784030you know how this works. they use the power of the state to force themselves to be included. Next thing you know there is a murder on mars and the culprit is the first black gay muslim astronaut
>>16784029What about the poppy seed microbes
>>16784029>no indigenous tribes claim land on MarsAfricans are from Mars. we wuz marzians and shieet
>>16783922But he was already dead?
>>16784003Post it
>>16784003EDA has the right idea, Starship HLS isn't going to be taking dozens of tons of cargo to the Lunar surface so it doesn't need such large tanks.
>>16784080Then write it differently so he's not dead
>>16783900Bruh
>>16784095The NASA and space industry reaction to the BLM riots. Forgot about the demands to rename Steinis:https://www.media.mit.edu/articles/danielle-wood-quoted-in-space-news-article-on-racism-in-the-aerospace-sector/Originally from Space News because this is exactly the lefty cant they love to publish.
>>16784107>this is exactly the lefty cant they love to publish
>>16784109are you esl?
>>16784109Translator's note: "cant" means "bullshit" or "catechism" depending on context
>>16784111Yes.>>16784112Oh, okay, I didn't know this word. Looked like you just forgot the apostrophe in "can't".
>>16784113>I didn't know this word! Don't use words I don't understand!If you don't understand what's being said, then sit quietly, observe and perhaps learn. That (POST) button is a choice, not an imperative.
>>16784116>Don't use words I don't understand!I never said that.
>>16784116do you have aspergers?
>>16784117If you're going to play the Gotcha! Game in a thread, better have the cards first. Having a Middle School or higher vocabulary also helps. You do have to be 18+ to post here.
The "Madness of 2020". Like living during the Dancing Plague.
>>16784107>this is exactly the lefty cant they love to publish.>cantYou cant just go around making up words
>>16783819yes go out faggot
>>16784137one of the funniest people on that entire platform
>>16782153Starship will never successfully land on Mars Because in the ~10 month journey to Mars the heatshield will be rendered useless by micrometeorites.
"Hey Hey!"
I couldn't post my daily 'sfg is dead' :(
>>16784201WOW!
>>16784203I’ve given up on member musks melty, and the cancel MSR anon has left us it seems. Trying times we need a new daily poaster
fuck you
>>16784201sseth here
>>16784208gotta bring back finnanon and his stamp collection. and the gun poster, and the 'ayyl chads & chicks' poster... fuck I've been here too long.>>16784212One day we'll miss you.. or maybe not.
>>16784215I think finnanon is doing military conscription rn
Conscription is max one year and he got out years ago.https://warosu.org/sci/thread/15422095#p15424587He moved on.
>>16784208there's a couple regulars that I haven't seen in a while
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/60-years-after-gemini-newly-processed-images-reveal-incredible-details/
>>16784306I can see it required some processing.
>>16784306chadstronaut
>>16784306still crazy that the astronauts were in their early 30s. they were basically kids.
>>16784122Funnily the spell check in that pic doesn't recognize the word cant
>the Polaris spacewalk was a year agoWhat even is time anymore
>>16784306>The process I used for this, on the low-quality 16 mm film, was to stack hundreds and hundreds of frames to bring out incredible detail. "Then I started typing in AI prompts."
>>16783229You've conflated concentration with separation. A centrifuge can potentially separate your target material from other materials with enough time and energy, but you still need to collect the raw material.The output rate of your target material can never exceed the input rate of the target material, which means if it's present in low concentrations in the input material, your bottleneck is somewhere else: sourcing raw material, extracting raw material, transporting raw material and processing raw materials so that they can be centrifuged.Beyond that, again the centrifuge can never produce more target material than is fed into it, which means that if the target material is present in the raw material in extremely low concentrations, you'll need to concentrate *before* putting it into centrifuges to achieve meaningful output rates.You're talking about vast amounts of infrastructure and multiple stages of processing. Just building a centrifuge is not even significant progress towards that.
>>16784208aliens in 2026
>>16783423It would feel exactly like nutting in low-mid grade pussy (tautologically)
>>16784361>Control of conditions allows optimal yields of 3 g of fullerenes per kilogram of fuel carbon burned...He'll say "Just" and start waving his hands.
>>16784124>NASA names headquarters after its first black female engineerHonestly, it seems needlessly offensive and confusing to name a building "nigger"
25 launches in 2025
>>16784411It will be 5 launches in 20(25) and 5x5 is 25, what is your problem?
2 weeks
>>1678441126 launches in 2026
>>16784414My problem is that we're not any closer to recreating gundam than we were when it aired. I NEED EARTHER GENOCIDE
where is ship 38 though
>>16784420Alien super alloys will allow for Gundam tech
>no updates in 18 hoursFUCK THIS
Is this shit real? I thought Roscosmos was basically bankrupt, what is all this then? They get like 1 floor, naming rights, and a photo op?>>>/pol/515856137
>>16784445ignore the dog and pony show, just look at their launch rate
>>16784445surrounded by commie blocks
>>16784445>>16784449pic related
>>16784453They have a bigger TV than we do
>>16784456Russia can't afford mousepads?
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1966248962202943799>you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
beam me up
>>16784445In all seriousness I hope russia gets back on its feet in regards to spaceflight. We have such a history together and it pains me to see them this way. nothing upsets me more than seeing chinks getting to the moon before our old cold war rivals.
>>16784466Why is everyone and their mother obsessed with mini starship, you fucking retards want to strangle any ambition in the crib
micro starship
>>16784473because for the early missions we really don't need 100 tons to the lunar surface, we need to get people there, and quickly. Same with Mars.
>>16784450Doesn't look like it. Those are regular apartment complexes.
>>16784450>>16784479Never mind.
>>16784473starship is a sledgehammer. why do you insist on forcing it to do a chisel's job?
>>16784473Because 20 refuels is unrealistic and we don't even know if it's possible.
>>16784358Time is a dick that fucks us all.
>>16784407You should get spammed, you are a faggot that constantly spams it
>>16784358To me it feels like more than a few years ago. Feels like nothing new has been done in space in so long
>>16784475>we need to get people there, and quickly.why? honest question. And don't give me that "exploration is man's destiny" shtick again, you know just as well as me that another apollo won't mean jack shit. If we're going back, we have to go back for good and for a purpose.
>>16784529>why, and don't tell me the answer
>>16784529NTA, but my thought process is: we at least need to lay claim to as much land at the lunar south pole as possible and box out the fucking chinks now. I think this can be done even if China "beats" us back with their shitbox. I say better to be ambitious and if it means being 4, 5ish years late it still doesn't matter. Get starship working and throw a shit load of mass onto the surface and put like 10-20 humans there on a giant continuously-manned moon base alpha
>>16784529Because the world is going insane.
>ATMHUFK: Zhuque 3 was supposed to arrive at Jiuquan yesterday, but it encountered hail on the way, so it arrived a day late. 930 seems to be on schedule, but it feels a bit rushed. The first stage of the first flight rocket will probably need some quiet time, plus final assembly and testing. It's going to be a stretch.
>>16784560(930 = September 30th)
>>16784560Weather is the bane of aerospace
I kind of want China to land there first, at least that would hopefully create some interest in the moon from the public
>>16784593lol no, the cattle will forget about it the moment some internet drama between rappers happens
