Strategic games are better at developing general intelligence than mathematics. Prove me wrong.
burden of proof of your claims is on you, retard
>>16784044Correct.I had a particularly tricky issue playing as Nationalist China in Hoi3.NC has low education, low industrial capacity, no strong allies, and faces invasion by Japan in mid 1937.Trying to figure out a way to stave off defeat while at the same time investing in technology to make NC into a super power before 1941 is proving very difficult.
Math at any level below upper undergrad is just memorizing instructions and applying them to a hundred homework exercises a night. It's not teaching you "problem solving", it teaching you to be a good wagie who can make Big Macs all day without fucking up and forgetting the pickles.
>>16784044I cant prove you wrong becasue you are right. Strategic games require strategic thinking. There are many problems to solve, difficulties to overcome, priorities to order, long term planning, assessments to make. All of which require juggling an assortment of simple and far more complex calculations.The major difference is the games provide immersion in the problems on a far more personal level rather than just getting a right or wrong answer. The stakes are much higher. For example solving a trig problem out of a text book. Well fine, your answer is right or wrong. Next question. How fucking boring. Now compare that to grimly holding onto Berlin as the Russian hordes relentlessly advance. HOLY FUCK! Now the Wetsern Allies have got across the Rhine. FUCK FUCK FUCK! Do I pull back the 9th army and abandon the Seelow heights or rish encirclement. Jesus Fucking Christ. I have run out of oil, its time to teool my production cycle, no point building aircraft if there is no fuel. Okay, shoving every last bit of industrial capacity into "Wunderwaffe"... I know! I will logistically bomb the very loving fuck out of Prussia and stall the Russian advance. Might be an idea to upgrade those garrison divisions into regular infantry, but that will take time and divert resources away from improving my officer ratio, is it worth it? Ha! I just got Me262s! TAKE THAT YOU BRITISH BOMBER BASTARDS! Oh no! No fuel to fly them though! FUCK FUCK FUCK! I should have fought harder in Romania, I sorely miss that oil. Right, so I got this Kriegsmarine just sitting here in port doing nothing. Maybe I should disband them? OH SWEET MOTHER OF SHIT! Hungary has surrendered! The Russians are now approaching Vienna! Lets see now.. If I pull the 10th Army out of northern Italy I should be able to halt them in the Alps. Yes, yes, I got some Mountain infantry there as well. Okay, so dont panic, there is still time...so lets launch a counter offensive...Hmm... the Ardennes...
>>16784044Lmfao
>>16784052This is true. Math shouldn't even be called math in school, it should more truthfully be called "calculations"
>>16784093There's nothing more annoying that telling someone I study math, and they think it's the garbage that's "taught" in high school.
>>16784093Fuck you. My "calculations" were able to turn the tide on the Western front.I saw the Allied divisions in France were overstretched. I "CALCULATED" they must be running low on supplies.Imagine their surprise when I launched a mighty counter offensive. Panzer divisions running amok. Fuck yeah. Panzering this and panzering that. Just like the good old days.Now I have secured my western flank I "CALCULATE" that I should have enough manpower to retake Romania and thus gain those vital Ploiești oilfields.*Drool*With oil pouring in from those oil fields my thirsty Luftwaffe can then once more dominate the skies! Which means no more nasty air raids by Allied strategic bombers, raining destruction down upon my industry. Those Godless barbarians!My "CALCULATIONS" will turn the tide of this terrible terrible war in my favor! Then I can enact "Case Geld"Let's see how the Americans like the taste of high velocity 88mm armor piercing shells in the morning.Mwahahaha!
>>16784099>Oh you study math?>What's (958348214*1,24300)3 then? You must be able to process very difficult numbers in your calculations.
>>16784044Not. done both
>>16784169You have obviously never had to grit your teeth and battle insurmountable odds as enemy forces threaten to overwhelm the Fatherland, using every stratagem , every cunning ploy, and every last erg of your remaining strength to emerge victorious after a long desperate and bloody existential struggle. You goddamn faggot, you are a disgrace to your ancestors.
>>16784169Yes.t. done bothMy EDH deck, with the perfect hand, can say on turn 1.5 (your turn) "UlaMOG, I choose YOU!"
I don't see it, sorry. How?
Do you like my Lake? Do you admire my personal stuff? Should I share more about my personal expenditure?
>>16784181>How?By being some form of Catagory Theory, mulivariant Arithmatic, partially different base-systems, and probably some others if we went through the cards enough.>my LakeMaybe?>>16784179>My EDHWas also colorless, so no lakes, just Clear Power!
>>16784044>developing general intelligenceThat's not an actual thing. If you live a very intellectually impoverishing life, your intellectual capabilities will degrade, or at the very least you won't reach your potential. But if you live a normal, modern life, you will peak very quickly and get stuck at your natural intelligence threshold no matter how hard you cope.
>>16784179>Ceasless hunger>Artist doesn't make him with a huge mouth
>>16784052All this proves is that you studied too hard.Slack off, and you have to figure things out yourself at a way lower level.
>>16784204>Cat 1?, comes into play with haste.Inferior feline...mine strikes its caster unobstructed with flying.
>>16784044You aren't in math to develop intelligence, you're in math to learn how to do stuff you need for a job.I don't think general intelligence exists but nonetheless.
>>16784209>you're in math to learn how to do stuff you need for a job>t. midwit who has sacrificed his soul to become some other dude's most prized possession
>>16784204>>16784207Ah, there is a colorless cat! Its not very good for my deck though, its just all the biggest colorless bruisers and mana ramping.But this would be an example of what I was talking about. Haste and flying are allowing for making adjustments to the order of operations when "calculating" a fight in a turn. The graveyard mechanic is an added variable of n-2.
>>16784229Do you remember me ?
>>16784233>Do you rememberAlways.>AnonymousReveal you hand and I will exile it.
>>16784044You're wrong. Proof: math can calculate the best move at each point in the game. The problem is that neither you, me or anyone else has the brain power to actually do that while playing the game. When you get hit by that feel that you will never be an AI or an anime super hero strategist you resort to literal "games" and "intuition" and "luck" because you can't stand that you are a brainlet.
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>>16784246>Nazi Trump right vs Nazi (Leaderless) leftYour hand is exiled, you have no cards to play.Wait your turn.
>>16784245>When you get hit by that feel that you will never be an AI"While no widely available AI can play Magic: The Gathering Online (MTGO) at a truly high, professional level."(Royal) We would smoke an AI at MTG. Its "wordy" cards would make it far too grand amd abstract of a calculation, as each additional card would have to be calculated for every other card. Its like whole games of chess for each chess move.
>>16784245nigga thinks "math" is a superpower that doesnt rely on human source to function. We dont even know the best move in klondike solitaire
>>16784256>Its like whole games of chess for each chess move.Sometimes/often* I should say.They should train it on a red/blue deck that focuses on land destruction/counter spells/card draw with basic creatures/damage spells, hyper simplistic. Dont "calculate" how to address spells attacking it, just counter it or eat it and move on. Card draw to make the moves it needs.
>>16784256>>16784258If math can't model some card games then what makes one player better or worse at these games than another player?
>>16784290That's the thing. It can. AI can become good at it. Cult of Passion is just dumb. Our programmers ain't good enough.
>>16784294>It can. AI can become good at it."Yes, AI can play Magic: The Gathering to a limited extent, with current AIs capable of playing text-based games or controlling a client like MTG Arena by analyzing screenshots and executing mouse actions.">by analyzing screenshots and executing mouse actions>to a limited extentSo...not play it, just copy the arbitrary move it was used on before, but it said "any permanent" or "land or artifact" and always chose the same card type or didnt utilize secondary effect because it never saw another player?>Cult of Passion is just dumb.Our posters ain't good enough.Target post is exiled before attack phase.
>>16784044>>16784050>>16784052cope
>>16784248Yes I know
>>16784044"strategies" are higher order solutions. strategies are about resource allocation primarily. a strategy often incorporates mathematicall calcultaions as a funcktion of risk assessment.if you want a "general intelligence" developing strategies might be better. but i cannot forumlate effective strats without some understanding and being able to solve mathematical calulations. its not really an either or. does it take more energy to do a bunch of pass fail trials vs performing a bunch of calculations before doing one trial?
Heavy fighting continues just outside Berlin. I calculate that I can swing the 7th Army in from Holland to halt the Russian advance to the north. At the same time I am rejigging my production to focus primarily on rebuilding my shattered infantry divisions. Oil reserves are still low but by improving my technology I can increase synthetic fuel production. I did the math and its worth the time and resource investment.Meanwhile desperate fighting continues in and around the fortress city of Bautzen. Somehow I must hold on...must...ugh...must hold on....must...Now you were saying something about mathematics?
>>16784044g is fixed Remember that retard now don’t make posts about g transfer learning that don’t apply to metaphysical nomenclature
>>16784044Metaslave does not a genius make.
I think geometry will make people more intelligent than algebra because it requires logic and spatial reasoning. Algebra and calculus can get repetitive because a lot of it is identifying a particular problem and then applying a memorized algorithm to solve it.
Strategic games are based on probability which is based on math.
TRVE. Anyone can pass a real analysis class or prove the abel ruffini theorem, but only a once-in-a-generation mind can restore the byzantine empire to its former glory
>>16784044>general intelligenceWhat do you mean - fluid intelligence, or what?
